theorellior: lennavan: What exactly do you think would occur? All the 50 year old man would have to do is claim he is transgendered and he gets to go in. It's not a fantasy.

Uh-huh. Sure. [backs out of thread slowly]

so you just drop in here and throw around a few insults then back on outta here.
ok. here's your sign.

Diogenes: Well sure. When offered in such general terms it's hard to disagree with that. Question is, is that a real concern in the context of the article (which is suspect to begin with)?

The article is stupid. WND is stupid. I just skimmed it for the link to the PDF and read the PDF itself instead.

The problem with this legislation is it uses the term gender identity and seems to use transgendered as an example. It's unclear if they mean only transgendered, and it says nothing about pre or post-op. Then it has no way of identifying whether someone is transgendered or not and indeed, doing anything to find out constitutes discrimination. In sum, if passed, next time I'm at a public pool, I can just tell them I'm pre-op transgendered and shower with the ladies. Or I can tell them I'm post-op transgendered and just never take my pants off.

It's an incredibly difficult problem. I don't know what the solution is but this sure as hell isn't it.

Diogenes: skullkrusher: whidbey: If I were a church I wouldn't be egging the government on to interfere with their precious "separation of church and state."

I mean, we're already turning a blind eye regarding same sex marriage and gave them a pass on discriminating against skin color.

They'd better watch their sh*t.

yeah, mighty big of us not to force them to perform religious ceremonies against their wills

LOL.

That could be fun though. Like requiring them to perform spontaneous baptisms on people on the street.

"YOU! I want a baptism, three confessions and five ordinations right now! I don't care if you're a Greek Orthodox or not!"

someonelse: I once made out with a guy in the bathroom of the vacant rectory apartment in our church.

You sound like a fun date.

Cyberluddite: Even as compared to their usual weapons-grade derp level, Wing Nut Daily seems even more derptastic than usual today. Anyway, I could see how this could present problems for some churches. Imagine how a priest would feel if, when taking his daily shower with the alter boys, some nun walked in!


AAAAaaaaand we're done here :)

MFL: TV's Vinnie
Any religion that is upset about anti-bigotry laws because it may inhibit their religious bigotry deserves to be wiped off the face of the Earth. They offer nothing to Humanity but misery and fear

That is stupid.

Who gets to decide what is considered bigotry? The idiots in congress?

If your religion involves oppressing someone else, you're a bigot and shouldn't be allowed to hide behind religion to do it.

PonceAlyosha: Gyrfalcon: Someone has naked showering on the brain, and I think I know who and why. Hint: It ain't teh homogheys.

You sure about that? I love a good sexy gay shower. The guys who built my current place were idiots, so one of the bathrooms has TWO separate shower units, one that's a giant walk in with two shower heads. Pretty much the best place for gay shower stuff ever.

I've seen some amazing showers various other gay guy's houses. Multi shower head, marble slabbed accessorized all to hell.

I can't say that when I'm taking a shiat I'm particularly bothered one way or another about the demographic background of the person doing the same a stall away, they're welcome to be as gay and/or female as they like, I'm too busy giving a literal shiat to give a figurative one. Likewise a group shower for athletics is generally used when you're done with a proper workout and need to wash the sweat and feeling of being run over with a Mac truck out, not really a sexual context for me the same way my shower at home is (well, to a degree). If you really think of it in that light I suggest you consider expanding your porn collection.

I mean, not that there's anything _wrong_ with Debbie Does Dallas, but if it's messing with your head on that level you should pick up something new for the weekend. If you want to stay in the same general era of porn maybe grab "Planet of the Babes" and you can at least amuse us by ranting about how the lesbian agenda is going to make us allow coed cage access instead.

//The above is not intended as serious. Paying for porn is bad, kids, don't do it.

theorellior: lennavan: What exactly do you think would occur? All the 50 year old man would have to do is claim he is transgendered and he gets to go in. It's not a fantasy.

Uh-huh. Sure. [backs out of thread slowly]

I'm not going to ask you to RTFA because a reasonable response is "WND is stupid." I agree with that sentiment. I skimmed the article for you and found the PDF.

Here it is. (PDF Warning)

Read the PDF. It even has a section directly discussing showers. And make sure to read section 2 under Public Accommodations where it says you just have to take their word for it they are transgendered and allow them access to whatever bathroom/shower/gender segregated facility they want.

Or alternatively, keep posting stupid comments having no idea what you're talking about. Or back out of the thread.

colon_pow: so you just drop in here and throw around a few insults then back on outta here.
ok. here's your sign.

Lollerskates. That's delicious, coming from you. Were you able to type this post with a straight face, Sparky?

BMulligan
I know of several churches that have provided shelter space for homeless teens or abused women, and a few that have acted as sanctuaries for undocumented Central American immigrants (although not so much of that since the 80's).

Those evil bastards.

I highly doubt the gheys are really looking forward to putting laws in place where they get to look at WND's wimminfolk.

Last time i checked octogenarians were not a prime attraction.

Brytanica1: PonceAlyosha: Gyrfalcon: Someone has naked showering on the brain, and I think I know who and why. Hint: It ain't teh homogheys.

You sure about that? I love a good sexy gay shower. The guys who built my current place were idiots, so one of the bathrooms has TWO separate shower units, one that's a giant walk in with two shower heads. Pretty much the best place for gay shower stuff ever.

I've seen some amazing showers various other gay guy's houses. Multi shower head, marble slabbed accessorized all to hell.

Mine's granite. It's freaking amazing but gets way too steamy alone and forces me to cut them short. Showers are important to us gayosexuals cuz we don't want stink-dick.

Diogenes: Why would homosexuals want coed showers?

It's hard to discuss gender issues when gender and sexuality are merged into one large mass.

lennavan: And make sure to read section 2 under Public Accommodations where it says you just have to take their word for it they are transgendered and allow them access to whatever bathroom/shower/gender segregated facility they want.

This could be because there's no objective way to determine if someone actually is transgender or not.

Mr_Fabulous: The last time I took a shower in the presence of another person (other than my wife, or girlfriends prior to her) was 1985. So you know, this isn't really a tremendous issue to me... one way or the other.

Actually, I'm just here for the Starship Trooper screen-caps.

/so far, disappoint

Close enough? Link
(NSFW vid)

lennavan: Read the PDF. It even has a section directly discussing showers. And make sure to read section 2 under Public Accommodations where it says you just have to take their word for it they are transgendered and allow them access to whatever bathroom/shower/gender segregated facility they want.

I read that PDF, and I saw nothing in it that would warrant the kind of pants-wetting "Think Of The Children" hyperbole being slung around in this thread. If you're that concerned about it, head on down to Hutchison, Kansas, and lend your voice to the public meetings.

YouWinAgainGravity
I wish these morons would go start their own society on Antarctica or another planet in Texas. They can install a theocratic government and oppress each other all they want, isolated from the rest of civilization.

Fixed. It's not that isolated, but so many of these people are already there or in nearby states. Texas is a big place. They'd have room to roam. The sane people could depart for other states or build a wall around Austin and take shelter there from the crazies.

So basically, they've decided that the "your wife or daughter will have to share a fitting room with men in dresses" argument wasn't scary enough and decided to move on to "co-ed showers in churches." Since they had to up the ante on their scare tactics, does that mean progress because the other one isn't working anymore?

/When the mayor of Gainesville, FL was running for office, people were distributing fliers claiming that, "If you elect Craig Lowe, he'll let men use the women's fitting rooms."

lennavan: The problem with this legislation is it uses the term gender identity and seems to use transgendered as an example. It's unclear if they mean only transgendered, and it says nothing about pre or post-op. Then it has no way of identifying whether someone is transgendered or not and indeed, doing anything to find out constitutes discrimination. In sum, if passed, next time I'm at a public pool, I can just tell them I'm pre-op transgendered and shower with the ladies. Or I can tell them I'm post-op transgendered and just never take my pants off.

It's an incredibly difficult problem. I don't know what the solution is but this sure as hell isn't it.

I don't think it is an incredibly difficult problem. Its difficulty is directly proportional to the number of people willing to violate other people's privacy for purpose of their own sexual gratification.

Gay and lesbian people already have this sort of access, yet you don't hear about abuses because nearly all people use a locker room the way it is intended: as fast as possible and with respect towards other users.

I know if I was transgendered, I'd pick the door that had the lowest chance of causing a stir, but I do believe that if people are behaving appropriately, it wouldn't really matter.

qorkfiend: lennavan: And make sure to read section 2 under Public Accommodations where it says you just have to take their word for it they are transgendered and allow them access to whatever bathroom/shower/gender segregated facility they want.

This could be because there's no objective way to determine if someone actually is transgender or not.

So we should just take everyone at their word? You do see the potential problem this creates, right? I get there's no objective way to determine if someone is transgender. I don't have a solution. But I'm telling you, this suggestion causes way more problems than it fixes.

Yes, let's all change our ways because a minority of batshiat crazy conspiracy theorists have a problem with equal treatment.

lennavan: And make sure to read section 2 under Public Accommodations where it says you just have to take their word for it they are transgendered and allow them access to whatever bathroom/shower/gender segregated facility they want.

Also, to continue this discussion, if a perv tries this out, the owner of the facility can just politely ask him to leave or deny him usage, and the perv can use the discrimination remedies outlined in the PDF to try to force the issue, but I doubt many pervs will be willing to undergo that kind of scrutiny.

Is the panic subsiding a little?

Esc7: lennavan: The problem with this legislation is it uses the term gender identity and seems to use transgendered as an example. It's unclear if they mean only transgendered, and it says nothing about pre or post-op. Then it has no way of identifying whether someone is transgendered or not and indeed, doing anything to find out constitutes discrimination. In sum, if passed, next time I'm at a public pool, I can just tell them I'm pre-op transgendered and shower with the ladies. Or I can tell them I'm post-op transgendered and just never take my pants off.

It's an incredibly difficult problem. I don't know what the solution is but this sure as hell isn't it.

I don't think it is an incredibly difficult problem. Its difficulty is directly proportional to the number of people willing to violate other people's privacy for purpose of their own sexual gratification.

Gay and lesbian people already have this sort of access, yet you don't hear about abuses because nearly all people use a locker room the way it is intended: as fast as possible and with respect towards other users.

I know if I was transgendered, I'd pick the door that had the lowest chance of causing a stir, but I do believe that if people are behaving appropriately, it wouldn't really matter.

I think all of this is consistent with what I'm saying. The status quo is fine, this legislation makes things worse.

Jekylman: YouWinAgainGravity: I wish these morons would go start their own society on Antarctica or another planet. They can install a theocratic government and oppress each other all they want, isolated from the rest of civilization.

You sound Tory.

Tried that here back in the 1600s. Unfortunately, people of other religions and non-religious types insisted on emigrating as well. And then that blasted First Amendment got tacked onto the Constitution.

theknuckler_33: theorellior: lennavan: Read the PDF. It even has a section directly discussing showers. And make sure to read section 2 under Public Accommodations where it says you just have to take their word for it they are transgendered and allow them access to whatever bathroom/shower/gender segregated facility they want.

I read that PDF, and I saw nothing in it that would warrant the kind of pants-wetting "Think Of The Children" hyperbole being slung around in this thread. If you're that concerned about it, head on down to Hutchison, Kansas, and lend your voice to the public meetings.

Dude, all someone said was that they wouldn't be too happy to see a 50-year old dude coming out of the same shower that their 10 year old girl just went into. It is simply a statement of someone's personal reaction. Frankly, I also agree that I would find that unsettling. That is not a statement that the 50-year old person is automatically a pervert child rapist. But something like that surely would take a LOT of getting used to, if it is possible at all.

I think that any parent who lets their 10-year-old go into a locker room by themselves is doing it wrong...

theknuckler_33: Dude, all someone said was that they wouldn't be too happy to see a 50-year old dude coming out of the same shower that their 10 year old girl just went into. It is simply a statement of someone's personal reaction.

Coming as it was from colon_pow, I highly doubt that.

Lamadin: Actually, I'm just here for the Starship Trooper screen-caps.

/so far, disappoint

Close enough? Link

I was gonna post some but they show Casper Van Dien's dick. Then I stopped to look at it for a while. It's meh.

If you don't want to face laws banning discrimination against gays then you should move back to Iran.

rynthetyn: /When the mayor of Gainesville, FL was running for office, people were distributing fliers claiming that, "If you elect Craig Lowe, he'll let men use the women's fitting rooms."

That doesn't even make sense, fitting rooms have stalls...

Or do women just get naked in one big mirror-walled room?

qorkfiend: I think that any parent who lets their 10-year-old go into a locker room by themselves is doing it wrong...

That's kinda my feeling, too, but it's always good to posit the worst possible scenario to get the panic adrenaline rush pumping.

PonceAlyosha: Brytanica1: PonceAlyosha: Gyrfalcon: Someone has naked showering on the brain, and I think I know who and why. Hint: It ain't teh homogheys.

You sure about that? I love a good sexy gay shower. The guys who built my current place were idiots, so one of the bathrooms has TWO separate shower units, one that's a giant walk in with two shower heads. Pretty much the best place for gay shower stuff ever.

I've seen some amazing showers various other gay guy's houses. Multi shower head, marble slabbed accessorized all to hell.

Mine's granite. It's freaking amazing but gets way too steamy alone and forces me to cut them short. Showers are important to us gayosexuals cuz we don't want stink-dick.

Or monkey butt.

I find overall were just a lot more obsessed with keeping our various nether parts clean.

You never know where someone is going to put their tongue.

Jekylman: YouWinAgainGravity: I wish these morons would go start their own society on Antarctica or another planet. They can install a theocratic government and oppress each other all they want, isolated from the rest of civilization.

You sound Tory.

I sound like a loyalist to the Crown because I want the crazy conspiracy zealots to go someplace else if they really think they're oppressed as they constantly screech about?

Brytanica1: I find overall were just a lot more obsessed with keeping our various nether parts clean.

You never know where someone is going to put their tongue.

Not a damn single thing is worse than a dirty asshole. Especially on a cute twinky boy with pert buns. If someone's about to take one for the team, I don't want to have to take one for the team while I'm giving one for the team, you know?

/except if there's someone behind me, then thumbs up.

theknuckler_33: Well, that certainly may be true, I'll give you that. But as someone who considered himself reasonable, I have to admit that if I were to encounter that situation, I'd be taken aback by it. That's all I was saying.

Well, okay. That's reasonable. Perhaps I let the urge to troll-slap do the thinking for me.

Sigh. My UK co-workers are right - smartest thing they ever did was put all their religious fanatics on ships and send 'em to the colonies. Hundreds of years later and we're still dealing their sexual-repression baggage.

You know, after we spent all that blood and gold 'liberating' Iraq, the least they could do is take all of our fundies off our hands.