dave2198: GORDON: ps69: Small government freedom loving liberty supporters want to give the state power to stop and detain you for the crime of not having your papers.

Because the freedoms? And the liberty? And the baby jesus and aborted baby fetuses. Also the gay and tricorner hats.

You've perfectly encapsulated the unrealistic caracature that the extreme left has for everyone who doesn't vote, as they see it, the "correct way."

Congratulations for being a fascist. Nothing is more important to your perception of reality than your political ideology, and you are willing to dehumanize as many people as you need to to get your point across. Again, congratulations.

That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

You mean it doesn't automatically make me right when I use it in an argument? Should I have called him a nazi instead?

Obama screwed it up? Damn I hadn't realized he still had time to practice law during his presidency.

Mass Media Retards, every last one of them.

cman: Aarontology: Well damn, this one got the fast track now didn't it?

I agree. Usually we see this threads go green at 1AM so they dont drown out the Left-loving threads and still can show some sign of being impartial

/Yeah, I is trollin

Oh, we are all well aware.

I am now afraid to travel to Arizona.

"What does sovereignty mean if it does not include the authority to defend your borders?" Scalia asked.

To which several hundred recognized sovereign Indian Nations replied, "it means you can operate a casino, dumbass."

Justice Antonin Scalia was an extremely vocal advocate...

... but of course not a Judicial Activist. No.

Q: Can you force people to pay insurance for their own well being and that of society?
A: Absolutely not!

Q: Can the State randomly hassle you because of your race for no real reason and keep you in jail for as long as they want?
A: Why yes, of course they can.

I don't think we are going in a good direction here...

Please tea bagger people, hurry up and have those strokes and heart attacks.

El_Frijole_Blanco: I left the state because I was tired of getting pulled over every time I cop ran my plates

Aarontology: canyoneer: I think the feds kind of sabotaged their own claim to exclusive powers over immigration enforcement when they got Homeland Security all involved with the states regarding immigration status checks. As I understand it, under certain circumstances DHS is requesting states pass on information about immigration status when it is pertinent to their work. Now DOJ is claiming the states have no right to do immigration checks. Er, can't have it both ways.

I think their argument is that states can't do it on their own, but they can if the Feds give them the authority. Not entirely sure about that though.

I also have trouble reconciling the federal government's requirement that employers check immigration status when hiring employees, with the Justice Department's insistence that state/local law enforcement agencies *not* check immigration status of suspects. Criminal suspects must not be checked, but job applicants must be checked.

Perhaps that would be cleared up if I read the briefs, but it doesn't matter enough to me to do so.

hitlersbrain: Q: Can you force people to pay insurance for their own well being and that of society?
A: Absolutely not!

Q: Can the State randomly hassle you because of your race for no real reason and keep you in jail for as long as they want?
A: Why yes, of course they can.

I don't think we are going in a good direction here...

Please tea bagger people, hurry up and have those strokes and heart attacks.

No hate like liberal hate.

/So very sad

El_Frijole_Blanco: I left the state because I was tired of getting pulled over every time I cop ran my plates

Maybe you should have renewed your tags.

GORDON: ps69: Small government freedom loving liberty supporters want to give the state power to stop and detain you for the crime of not having your papers.

Because the freedoms? And the liberty? And the baby jesus and aborted baby fetuses. Also the gay and tricorner hats.

You've perfectly encapsulated the unrealistic caracature that the extreme left has for everyone who doesn't vote, as they see it, the "correct way."

Congratulations for being a fascist. Nothing is more important to your perception of reality than your political ideology, and you are willing to dehumanize as many people as you need to to get your point across. Again, congratulations.

... And supporting a law that allows people to be arrested for not having an ID on them *isn't* fascist?

They say they can't tell who is an alien. I say the ability to speak English is a start.

Good News

Fark anything and everything connected to the illegal criminal poseur Obama and his lickspittle minions.

hitlersbrain: Q: Can you force people to pay insurance for their own well being and that of society?
A: Absolutely not!

Q: Can the State randomly hassle you because of your race for no real reason and keep you in jail for as long as they want?
A: Why yes, of course they can.

I don't think we are going in a good direction here...

Please tea bagger people, hurry up and have those strokes and heart attacks.

Holy Plenary Police Powers Batman!

Plus, your quip about the AZ law needs some factual reality. Such as, immigration checks are only performed when you have been stopped for another offense. Not for "no real reason."

schattenteufel: Racism. it's the American Way.

Haha fark that. I don't care if they're from Sweden. Follow the rules or GTFO.

Or maybe you just fatfingered 'nationalism'

GAT_00: What is it with Justice lawyers screwing up in front of the court?

You've got to play the cards you've been dealt and it is hard to bluff when you're only holding a pair of twos.

kiyote: This made it all the way to the Supreme Court in nanoseconds. I didn't see them freaking out over sanctuary cities, which also oversteps federal law.

Did anyone file a federal lawsuit against a sanctuary city? I don't recall hearing about one. The court doesn't read the paper and decide to take action on its own hook. It is an appellate body. If nobody files a suit on an issue, the court will never hear it.

Submitted First With a Better Headline: God dammit, America.

How's Canada these days? I know you guys have your own share of problems, but I hear it's nice.

Might want to check their immigration policies. I don't think they let just anyone walk right on in.

Wellon Dowd: I realize this is a subtle point that will elude the submitter, but they are the government's lawyers not Obama's.

While it is true that Verilli (the guy that got slammed again today) isn't Obama's personal lawyer, he is the Solicitor General and thus a presidential appointee. He is not a career government attorney.

Its obvious they have no intention on enforcing immigration when they sue those trying to enforce it and ignore those who openly flaunt it... ie. sanctuary cities

This means that Sarah Palin is automatically President, and Obama has to stand in the middle of Mexico City holding a sign reading "I AM A NARC".

At least three reasons why like this exist.

The federal government refused to enforce immigration laws for years.

Illegals won't do the right thing and leave.

Corporations and corrupt individuals in this country and in other countries make lots of money off of illegal immigration.

Oh and violent crime tied directly to illegals and the gangs that are tied to them.

hitlersbrain: Q: Can the State randomly hassle you because of your race for no real reason and keep you in jail for as long as they want?

Want to point me tot he section of the law that says that?

mynameist: They say they can't tell who is an alien. I say the ability to speak English is a start.

"Citizens Apposed to the Library Project"



lol you might wanna rethink your hypotenuse, quiz kid.

Justice has a conservative bias?

cman: The decision has already been cast.

The justices will vote along the lines of their political ideology and we the American people take the dick up the ass again

Which raises a point.

Somewhere along the way the members of the Supreme Court went from being relatively (or in some cases extreme) independent thinkers to being nothing more than political ideologues and no better than the any other politicians. The US government no longer even pretends to be live up to the standards laid down when the Constitution was written. Now it's all about Right vs. Left, might makes right, and common sense left on the last bus out of town. Pathetic.

Aarontology: UCFRoadWarrior: You know the anti-SB 1070 crowd is farked......when the Supreme Court Justice who is a member of the Pro-Illegal Alien/Hispano-Racist group LA RAZA (The Race) is even criticizing the argument of the Pro-Illegal Alien Obama attorney.

Priceless...

Cannot wait to see the spin from the Pro-Illegal Alien crowd. The White Guilt Liberal ButtHurt will be oozing out like the creme filling of a crushed Oreo

Here is why SB 1070 is upheld:

States enforce Fed law everyday. SB 1070 just enhances the enforcement of Fed law

All LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who are NOT CITIZENS must always carry their Alien Resident card (the old Green Card) at all times. This canard of "asking every Latino for papers" is BS...since by Fed law Legal Immigrants must always have their "Green Card" on them....that is Federal Law

It is illegal to be in this country ILLEGALLY.

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AND, a ruling in favor of SB 1070 is gonna provide more Liberal ButtHurt because Obama's case against Sheriff Joe Arpaio gets super-weak (already is weak).

It was a bad day for bigots. You support Illegal Alien Amnesty...you are an Anti-American Bigot. This LEGAL IMMIGRANT and now US CITIZEN can smile today. Suck It LA RAZA, MEChA, Libs

It's like a WND link and a Brietbart link had a night of sweaty shameful sex behind a dumpster and gave birth to this post.

Aww the Liberal ButtHurt......Derp Warrgarbbll because Hispano-Racism got slapped down today. Do us a favor and deport yourself

AmazinTim: rmoody: Fark this worthless country.

Here's the door, don't let it hit you in the ass on the way out.

Good. Time to take this country back. And for those of you complaining about the law and/or the country, love it or leave it.

Perhaps the Obama administration could arm those who are in AZ illegally. They could call the operation "2 Fast 2 Furious".

/Just a suggestion

cefm: So the Solicitor General of the U.S. allowed himself to be boxed into saying an "imigration status check" only takes an hour or so?

Holy jumping catfish - doesn't that dipshiat have any idea that there are thousands (possibly hundreds of thousands or more) of people who were born in the U.S. but who don't even have a birth certificate? People who don't really exist in any federal database but who nonetheless are citizens?

This came up huge in the whole discussion of "voter-ID" laws, in which poor and elderly people were being denied the right to vote because they didn't have photo-ID's and were unable to get them. So with that background how the hell did he allow Arizona to claim seriously that they could 100% determine legal vs. illegal immigration status for ANYONE in only about an hour?

I always thought that it was odd for the Liberal stance on the "there are so many people who can't get IDs" issue wasn't to come up with a way for them to legitimately get IDs (you know, so they can hold a job, drive, fly on a plane, cash a check, get medical insurance, obtain government benefits, open a bank account, see an R rated movie, etc.).

dave2198: 9beers: schattenteufel: Racism. it's the American Way.

I know, right? It's so farking unacceptable that we make sure that only people legally allowed to be here are here.

Once you deport all the illegals (lol), and the problems of crime, drugs, and white unemployment continue to persist, who will be your next scapegoat?

Yeah, but you see, I don't want to deport all illegals. I am taking one out on a date this weekend.

Aarontology: HopScotchNSoda: I also have trouble reconciling the federal government's requirement that employers check immigration status when hiring employees, with the Justice Department's insistence that state/local law enforcement agencies *not* check immigration status of suspects. Criminal suspects must not be checked, but job applicants must be checked.

I think that might be because hiring an illegal immigrant is a crime in itself, especially if they're using fake Federal documentation like an SS card. But someone's immigration status doesn't really matter if they were doing 100 in a 55, because them being here illegally doesn't change the initial crime I think.

Not sure about that either.



That makes me wonder. What about the sub-minimum wage work that prisoners have to do in prison and many jails? Would the sheriff or DOC be required in his capacity as an employer to check the immigration status of the inmate-worker, or be prohibited in his capacity as a jailer & law enforcement officer from checking the immigration status of the inmate-worker?

9beers: schattenteufel: Racism. it's the American Way.

I know, right? It's so farking unacceptable that we make sure that only people legally allowed to be here are here.

By carding anyone who is brown? That doesn't bother you at all?

schattenteufel: Racism. it's the American Way.

because too many blue-eyed blondes are illegally crossing the Mexican border into the US everyday.

Pants full of macaroni!!: This means that Sarah Palin is automatically President, and Obama has to stand in the middle of Mexico City holding a sign reading "I AM A NARC".

And, our Secret Service will actually watch out for the President's azz this time...

Aarontology: Citizens shouldn't be detained until they prove they're innocent of a crime that may or may not have been committed. And before everyone freaks out, if they could tell who is a citizen and who isn't this law wouldn't' be necessary in the first place.

I think that's already well established in law, which is why you cannot be detained beyond "a reasonable time" or arrested except upon probably cause of a crime. That's why whenever a cop talks to you, your name is "Am I being detained?" and your occupation is "Am I free to go?"

Once you are detained, however, you can completely clam up and elect to say no more without the advice of a lawyer, and incidentally you do no consent to a search, but one thing the cops can compel you to do is identify yourself. If you don't have ID, you can provide your name and home address, and the cops can continue to hold you until they've verified that name relates to you. That process of verifying your identify can include verifying your immigration status or citizenship, checking for warrants, etc. The fed gov is obligated by law to provide an answer to state and local authorities if they are asked for immigration status. "Reasonable time" requirements would be binding on the fed gov as well in this case: to make that standard, anyone that the state and local authorities may enquire of must respond within a time period to meet that standard.

If you have no ID and your name you gave doesn't add up, the cops can continue to hold you until they can identify you. "Reasonable time" is very subjective, and it may be extended if the name you give doesn't add up. If you say you're Eitan Schultzenstein, and the record they find for that name matches a 67 year old Rabbi in Manhattan, and you don't speak any Hebrew, but you speak with a French-Canadian accent and look 23, it would be reasonable to ask more questions along the lines of identity.

"Hispanic" is not a race. "Hispanic" is an ethnicity.

Mildot: begs the question

You should really look up that term before you use it again.

UCFRoadWarrior: You know the anti-SB 1070 crowd is farked......when the Supreme Court Justice who is a member of the Pro-Illegal Alien/Hispano-Racist group LA RAZA (The Race) is even criticizing the argument of the Pro-Illegal Alien Obama attorney.

Priceless...

Cannot wait to see the spin from the Pro-Illegal Alien crowd. The White Guilt Liberal ButtHurt will be oozing out like the creme filling of a crushed Oreo

Here is why SB 1070 is upheld:

States enforce Fed law everyday. SB 1070 just enhances the enforcement of Fed law

All LEGAL IMMIGRANTS who are NOT CITIZENS must always carry their Alien Resident card (the old Green Card) at all times. This canard of "asking every Latino for papers" is BS...since by Fed law Legal Immigrants must always have their "Green Card" on them....that is Federal Law

It is illegal to be in this country ILLEGALLY.

--------------------------------------------------------------------- - ------

AND, a ruling in favor of SB 1070 is gonna provide more Liberal ButtHurt because Obama's case against Sheriff Joe Arpaio gets super-weak (already is weak).

It was a bad day for bigots. You support Illegal Alien Amnesty...you are an Anti-American Bigot. This LEGAL IMMIGRANT and now US CITIZEN can smile today. Suck It LA RAZA, MEChA, Libs