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2012-04-25 01:58:22 PM
Damn it subby, do you know how hard it is to keep from laughing out loud without making a stupid 'snorting' sound at work?!?

You win one internet.
 
2012-04-25 02:05:09 PM
Good. SEO is a big scam.
 
2012-04-25 03:36:45 PM
you missed lolcats from your meta tags.
 
2012-04-25 03:43:15 PM
Strange... i typed in "viagra" into Google and got a home page of a poet, and a ton of links going to universities.

And not medical universities studying viagra or whatever.
 
2012-04-25 03:44:19 PM
Does this mean if I search for Seungmin Cho, patent consultant, I may not get a hit for the phrase "Great people of east Asia don't need you. We will own this century, and the next, and the next, until all non-Asians are essentially pounded to submission"?
 
2012-04-25 03:46:00 PM

downstairs: Strange... i typed in "viagra" into Google and got a home page of a poet, and a ton of links going to universities.

And not medical universities studying viagra or whatever.


You're going to need it if you get accepted. Although, I don't think the majority of those who matriculate at University of Phoenix are ranked too high on the "Hottest Coeds" lists.
 
2012-04-25 03:53:54 PM
I thought Google had stopped using keywords to rank pages altogher a while back.
 
2012-04-25 03:54:56 PM

downstairs: Good. SEO is a big scam.


How so? I mean, how can something that increase your sales x times using accepted, and proven, practices be considered a scam?
 
2012-04-25 03:56:53 PM

StealthStalker: Does this mean if I search for Seungmin Cho, patent consultant, I may not get a hit for the phrase "Great people of east Asia don't need you. We will own this century, and the next, and the next, until all non-Asians are essentially pounded to submission"?


And tell his cousin Dan to go back into hiding!
 
2012-04-25 04:03:52 PM

Flab: I thought Google had stopped using keywords to rank pages altogher a while back.


Google stopped using meta keywords years ago.

Keyword stuffing refers to site content that's written to include an unnatural amount of keywords for the benefit of the search engines instead of site visitors.

It's basically [strong]viagra[/strong] content, that's written [strong]viagra[/strong], so that viagra search engines [strong]viagra[/strong], read it and think, "hey, judging by this viagra content, this site should rank highly for viagra"

It's normally more subtle than my example, but you can always tell if content has been written for you, or search engines, by how natural it reads.
 
2012-04-25 04:04:07 PM

Cormee: downstairs: Good. SEO is a big scam.

How so? I mean, how can something that increase your sales x times using accepted, and proven, practices be considered a scam?


I should say, *most* SEO is a scam. There are good companies out there that merely want to make your site legitimately friendly to bots. The majority promise way more than is even possible, and often damage your reputation.
 
2012-04-25 04:07:44 PM
Dude, you guys, seriously, I was the 1,000,000 visitor to that article. I'm rich! So long, peasants!
 
2012-04-25 04:15:27 PM
While I applaud the headline, I'm not sure what is stupid about this. It's something any search engine has to deal with. Once people figure out how to game the system and get their pages to the top of the list, your searches will end up with less than relevant results. Good for them, bad for you, so here's hoping it works.
 
2012-04-25 04:15:27 PM
SEO is an industry with a lot of black-hat practices and fly-by-night shops. There are perfectly legitimate ways to use it to improve exposure and advertisement, but that's really just studied marketing with a dash of technical knowledge. Then there's dirty, icky shiat that makes search engines a pain in the ass.
 
2012-04-25 04:16:41 PM

downstairs: Cormee: downstairs: Good. SEO is a big scam.

How so? I mean, how can something that increase your sales x times using accepted, and proven, practices be considered a scam?

I should say, *most* SEO is a scam. There are good companies out there that merely want to make your site legitimately friendly to bots. The majority promise way more than is even possible, and often damage your reputation.


Yes, I completely agree with that.

Some will promise the world and don't even know enough to damage your reputation, as doing so requires *some* knowledge of (black-hat) SEO techniques.
 
2012-04-25 04:20:36 PM

Cormee: Flab: I thought Google had stopped using keywords to rank pages altogher a while back.

Google stopped using meta keywords years ago.

Keyword stuffing refers to site content that's written to include an unnatural amount of keywords for the benefit of the search engines instead of site visitors.

It's basically [strong]viagra[/strong] content, that's written [strong]viagra[/strong], so that viagra search engines [strong]viagra[/strong], read it and think, "hey, judging by this viagra content, this site should rank highly for viagra"

It's normally more subtle than my example, but you can always tell if content has been written for you, or search engines, by how natural it reads.


Ah... like putting <span style="display:none">Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra Viagra </span>

Gotcha.

The one that bugs me to no end are vietnamese and Indian websites that scrape the yellowpages and show up BEFORE the actual company you're looking for.
 
2012-04-25 04:21:56 PM
actually, they've been doing this since at least 2005 with Matt Cutts.

matt's a cool dude. the mbas who led the dept were creepy and kinda office spacey but the engineers were solid dudes.

they paid a whole team of new grads $25 an hr to review huge numbers of sites which had been flagged as potential "thin float" affiliates, domain squatters, or other things and if the team reviewed the site and marked it spammy it got deranked.

way to go pickingup on google doing this 7 years later.
 
2012-04-25 04:24:52 PM
This is new? I thought google has been slapping people with panda for a while now.
 
2012-04-25 04:26:48 PM

StealthStalker: Does this mean if I search for Seungmin Cho, patent consultant, I may not get a hit for the phrase "Great people of east Asia don't need you. We will own this century, and the next, and the next, until all non-Asians are essentially pounded to submission"?


Odd, it doesn't when I try it. Maybe tomorrow.
 
2012-04-25 04:28:38 PM

StealthStalker: Does this mean if I search for Seungmin Cho, patent consultant, I may not get a hit for the phrase "Great people of east Asia don't need you. We will own this century, and the next, and the next, until all non-Asians are essentially pounded to submission"?


ascendancy.net
 
2012-04-25 04:31:46 PM
and instead favor websites with high-quality content
I thought they've always done this. Didn't think meta tags meant shiat anymore. Well, maybe to webcrawler or dogpile.
 
2012-04-25 04:37:01 PM
Hey, Subby, those aren't NSFW photos of Alison Brie having sex with Katy Perry and Zooey Deschanel.

/automatically assume with non-sensical headlines
 
2012-04-25 04:37:23 PM
Who googles "nudity"?
 
2012-04-25 04:39:10 PM

abhorrent1: and instead favor websites with high-quality content
I thought they've always done this. Didn't think meta tags meant shiat anymore. Well, maybe to webcrawler or dogpile.


Funny, even the largest sites still use them- CNN.com for one example I quickly checked.

I guess its the "I guess it cant hurt" philosophy.
 
2012-04-25 04:40:25 PM

Cormee: downstairs: Good. SEO is a big scam.

How so? I mean, how can something that increase your sales x times using accepted, and proven, practices be considered a scam?


His blog sucks. That's how.
 
2012-04-25 04:42:18 PM

abhorrent1: and instead favor websites with high-quality content
I thought they've always done this. Didn't think meta tags meant shiat anymore. Well, maybe to webcrawler or dogpile.


[title] is still an important one, and while [description] won't affect your ranking it will certainly affect your click-through rate.
 
2012-04-25 04:43:18 PM
Rule 34 is going to suffer. How else am I to find transsexual midget nazi eskimo pizza chefs who deliver only to delaware?
 
2012-04-25 05:23:27 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Rule 34 is going to suffer. How else am I to find transsexual midget nazi eskimo pizza chefs who deliver only to delaware?


/r/
 
2012-04-25 05:41:08 PM

downstairs: ly checked.

I guess its the "I guess it cant hurt" philosophy.


Yeah. I figure the smaller less sophisticated search engines may still use them. While their user base is probably pretty small, I guess you still need to consider them.

They need to get rid of the link back rankings. While I understand it, it's too easy to game.
 
2012-04-25 05:48:14 PM

Flappyhead: Smeggy Smurf: Rule 34 is going to suffer. How else am I to find transsexual midget nazi eskimo pizza chefs who deliver only to delaware?

/r/


I'm not going there. It's gross.
 
2012-04-25 06:22:09 PM

TheBlackrose: StealthStalker: Does this mean if I search for Seungmin Cho, patent consultant, I may not get a hit for the phrase "Great people of east Asia don't need you. We will own this century, and the next, and the next, until all non-Asians are essentially pounded to submission"?

[ascendancy.net image 300x225]


Not getting the joke.
 
2012-04-25 06:28:50 PM
PDF
 
2012-04-25 06:35:56 PM
Specifically, the changes aim to reduce the amount of content that surfaces high in a user's search results on Google but that is not particularly useful or valuable; this is also known as Web spam. Google ads.
 
2012-04-25 06:54:15 PM
I was involved in editing the Serial Adder entry at Encyclopedia Dramatica. (the clone site I linked to right now seems to have some problems loading images and layout).

Anyway it wound up being the #1 Google result for PDP8 and many other searches involving related terms. Falling ranking could sometimes be fixed by adding more technical terms in the encyclopedia entry.

Even today that page is the go to place for learning why the pdp8/S minicomputer was considered "gay".
 
2012-04-25 07:06:43 PM

downstairs: Good. SEO is a big scam.


Yeah... as much as I want to say "Good"... this will just be a new chapter in the SEO "professional"'s handbook, and they'll still charge $1000 / head to their SEO conferences where they teach you how not to "over optimize", and even though that's a vague term, they know the definition and they will help you show up first on the Google for a small fee.

I work with the people that go to these conferences. They ask (tell...) me to do things. I can argue and say "that's useless" or "google doesn't work that way", but I can't really PROVE otherwise, because proving the negative is even harder than that showing the ever-so-small correlation, and the company paid lots of money for the conference that told them otherwise...
 
2012-04-25 07:09:34 PM

StealthStalker: Does this mean if I search for Seungmin Cho, patent consultant, I may not get a hit for the phrase "Great people of east Asia don't need you. We will own this century, and the next, and the next, until all non-Asians are essentially pounded to submission"?


I just googled it, and indeed, Seungmin Cho, patent consultant, is well known for saying "Great people of east Asia don't need you. We will own this century, and the next, and the next, until all non-Asians are essentially pounded to submission"
 
2012-04-25 08:29:58 PM

LasersHurt: SEO is an industry with a lot of black-hat practices and fly-by-night shops. There are perfectly legitimate ways to use it to improve exposure and advertisement, but that's really just studied marketing with a dash of technical knowledge. Then there's dirty, icky shiat that makes search engines a pain in the ass.


The black hat comment is pretty spot on. I am an SEO/Content guy. There are tricks to use when presenting information, as well as a few others. Frankly, this doesn't change much for me. I make it a point to avoid the gray area's of SEO. There are methods to make a lot of traffic which leads to more ad revenue and potential sales via ecomm (direct and and indirect) . But, I never felt that offering up BS to people was a viable method for making someone actually want to buy something. End of the day, I want money, not missed clicks that cost me.

They still have not really addressed site linking structure, but I am sure that's coming as well. From what I am hearing, alt tagging images is going to start being significantly more beneficial soon for over all optimization. A few years back they kind of cut back on the ranking scales for those. Scales are shifting again.. Of course, I could be wrong but I doubt it.

/Next door neighbor is a google dev. He gets annoyed whenever I ask him for info on it.
//I know he can't say a word, but its fun to fark with him.
 
2012-04-25 08:32:08 PM
When I google Scarlett Johansson, sex, and or nudity, it affects me as if I took viagra (but does not affect my ups service).

Will Google penalizing "search over-optimization." stop that (without affecting my ups service)?
 
2012-04-25 09:40:03 PM
Does this mean I can quit facebook? Please?
 
2012-04-25 11:07:27 PM
Google announced Tuesday that a change in its search algorithm will punish sites that violate the company's "existing quality guidelines" and is intended to reward those "making great sites for users, not just algorithms." ...... which, will still be an algorithm, which can be exploited.

Unless you are going to have actual people check every site, sites will be able to abuse whatever system you put in place.
 
2012-04-25 11:44:54 PM
Ahh, SEO. In 20 years, we'll use it as the new metric for snake oil sales tactics..

//tip: NO ONE can promise page 1 results on google, short of simply offering to refund your money if not.
 
2012-04-26 12:05:28 AM

SearchN: LasersHurt: SEO is an industry with a lot of black-hat practices and fly-by-night shops. There are perfectly legitimate ways to use it to improve exposure and advertisement, but that's really just studied marketing with a dash of technical knowledge. Then there's dirty, icky shiat that makes search engines a pain in the ass.

The black hat comment is pretty spot on. I am an SEO/Content guy. There are tricks to use when presenting information, as well as a few others. Frankly, this doesn't change much for me. I make it a point to avoid the gray area's of SEO. There are methods to make a lot of traffic which leads to more ad revenue and potential sales via ecomm (direct and and indirect) . But, I never felt that offering up BS to people was a viable method for making someone actually want to buy something. End of the day, I want money, not missed clicks that cost me.

They still have not really addressed site linking structure, but I am sure that's coming as well. From what I am hearing, alt tagging images is going to start being significantly more beneficial soon for over all optimization. A few years back they kind of cut back on the ranking scales for those. Scales are shifting again.. Of course, I could be wrong but I doubt it.

/Next door neighbor is a google dev. He gets annoyed whenever I ask him for info on it.
//I know he can't say a word, but its fun to fark with him.


I worked for a small business who's owner had been scammed by some SEO shyster. The idiot didn't do anything useful such as include relevant keywords in the title, create a google site map, etc. He simply filled the title and description with repeated keywords that often didn't apply to the page in question. The worst thing, however, was his habit of removing line breaks from the web pages. I couldn't figure out why the pages I had gone through the trouble of fixing up nicely were ending up on a single line, making it near impossible to edit. Then I found out this idiot had access to the site. I told him to stop removing the line breaks. He kept doing it. I called him up and told him if he touched the website in any way ever again I would personally drive over to his house and kick his ass (I also deleted his account). Then I gave my boss the choice of who he wanted working on his website, showed him how to set up the proper google site map, how I could automate the process by pulling the product information from the database, and also set up the title and such properly and automatically. All without having to pay some outside scam artist.

He was smart enough to get rid of the scam artist and he was thrilled with the automatically (weekly) generated of the site map. Are those still useful for google ranking?
 
2012-04-26 12:20:21 AM
If it means I can search for a tech solution without getting one of those pages which list 1000 'aggregated from somewhere' questions with no answers or links to answers, and which exist solely to get google hits for advertising, then it is high farking time.
 
2012-04-26 02:12:23 AM
Can they stop including those dynamic pages that have the EXACT question I typed in, presented as if it were a wikianswers or yahoo answers, but only containing ads and other stupid questions?
 
2012-04-26 02:24:23 AM

Treygreen13: Who googles "nudity"?


Pakistan.
 
2012-04-26 03:47:28 AM

Shocktopus: Treygreen13: Who googles "nudity"?

Pakistan.


All of them?
 
2012-04-26 04:03:03 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Shocktopus: Treygreen13: Who googles "nudity"?

Pakistan.

All of them?


Only the adventurous ones?
The rest google "basic human rights" and make mashups of what that would be like..
 
2012-04-26 06:23:37 AM

slackux: Can they stop including those dynamic pages that have the EXACT question I typed in, presented as if it were a wikianswers or yahoo answers, but only containing ads and other stupid questions?


So much this
 
2012-04-26 08:36:18 AM
Too bad I can't find diddly in their index now. But Bing has what I am looking for
 
2012-04-26 10:30:08 AM

OgreMagi: Are those still useful for google ranking?


From what I can tell it's more useful if your primary content lives on a third depth (site.com/products/category/product) to reinforce yes, please scan this.

My SEO services consist of wrapping people's content into and

tags, getting relevant page titles, and adding alt text to images and links. That's really all you need for a normal site, your content and advertising should do the rest.

 
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