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(WorldNetDaily)   How did oil get miles under the Earth if the dinosaurs lived on the top of the Earth?   (wnd.com) divider line 485
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2012-04-25 02:10:35 PM  

VJStinger: I see its time to bust out this old gem again:


You'll notice that the glaring logical error here is exactly the same as the one that leads people to argue with a straight face that respiration produces atmospheric CO2.
 
2012-04-25 02:10:49 PM  

VJStinger: sigh... I see its time to bust out this old gem again:

[i1091.photobucket.com image 500x608]
This "logic" simply amazes me.

/also makes me ashamed to be of the same species.


Please tell me that's Poe's Law in action. If not, holy shiat...
 
2012-04-25 02:10:53 PM  
Let's keep things interesting, though...

Abiogenic Petroleum
 
2012-04-25 02:12:03 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: My father actually uses that argument.

I try to explain that it's exactly the same way that poodles are descended from wolves, but it just doesn't penetrate.


That's still too far removed. Ask him why, if you are here he still exists? And since life is static and unchanging, why don't you look exactly like him?
 
2012-04-25 02:12:10 PM  

Jake Havechek: I had one dumbass teabagger tell me that oil came from compressed sand.


Did you hit him with a glass bottle?
 
2012-04-25 02:12:21 PM  
www.qwantz.com
 
2012-04-25 02:12:48 PM  

chuckufarlie: VJStinger: sigh... I see its time to bust out this old gem again:

[i1091.photobucket.com image 500x608]
This "logic" simply amazes me.

/also makes me ashamed to be of the same species.

that is amazingly stupid but I have seen environmentalists using the "same" basic argument. I have been told that we are wasting water that cannot be replaced.


Nice try, but the water is still there, just that humans and other carbon-based life forms can't safely drink it. But thanks for playing!
 
2012-04-25 02:13:32 PM  
And Flying Spaghetti Monster said, lo, these humanoids are too stupid to live, I shall place oil in the ground, and they shall find it, and make some totally farked-up shiat out of it, and they shall destroy themselves, and the followers of Flying Spaghetti Monster nodded and bowed before his face, and later they gathered at the tavern and said, Flying Spaghetti Monster is truly whack, and they made sure he didn't hear them. But verily this stuff gets around, notice that the followers of Flying Spaghetti Monster are not around any more.

And Flying Spaghetti Monster said, "Mwahahahaha."
 
2012-04-25 02:15:45 PM  
Alright, will someone sum this up? I got busy at work just as as I started to read this, so I sorta skimmed it, but this is what I got from it:

Nazis developed an artificial process to create oil, so oil is not from animal matter, no matter what.

Is that really all this article was about? I was really hoping for some better Jesus-riding-a-dinosaur stuff...
 
2012-04-25 02:16:32 PM  
If carbon-based life can't arise from non-biological process, how come hydrocarbons can?

Oh, wait. I know this. "NAZIS!"
 
2012-04-25 02:17:04 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: I've seen conspiracy theorists; I've seen creationists; I've seen birthers, and troofers, free-energy enthusiasts, anti-vaxxers and denialists of all stripes.


Well, I've seen fire and I've seen rain. I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end.
 
2012-04-25 02:17:13 PM  

chuckufarlie: I have seen environmentalists using the "same" basic argument. I have been told that we are wasting potable water that cannot be readily replaced.


This is more likely what those environmentalists are trying to say, and they're right. While water is extraordinarily common, potable water makes up only a tiny, tiny part of the total volume and is replaced slowly once consumed, in the ordinary course of the hydrologic cycle. Perhaps the people you heard simply misspoke, or perhaps you didn't hear them correctly.

Also, why the scare quotes around "same?"
 
2012-04-25 02:17:15 PM  

chuckufarlie: VJStinger: sigh... I see its time to bust out this old gem again:

[i1091.photobucket.com image 500x608]
This "logic" simply amazes me.

/also makes me ashamed to be of the same species.

that is amazingly stupid but I have seen environmentalists using the "same" basic argument. I have been told that we are wasting water that cannot be replaced.


Not at all the same argument. Within a given watershed or aquifer it is entirely possible to use up virtually all of the potable water before it can be replenished. This point is quite different from the ridiculous "proof" of young-earth creationism.
 
2012-04-25 02:17:21 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There's standard, run-of-the-mill stupid, then there's "we took Jessica Simpson and cross-bred her with an Afghan Hound, then took the resulting DNA and implanted it in a goldfish, then cross-bred that goldfish with a guy we found down by the spillway with 'Prafaster of Creeashun Syance" written on his chest in feces. We then took that final DNA and implanted it in the network executive that greenlit 'Whitney.' We took that network executive and told him a focus group looked favorably on men tying Kroger's bags around their heads and breathing deeply for 8-10 minutes. When we revived him he sent him to a payday lender to get extra cash for the 'down payment' on the Technics dual-cassette stereo he wanted from Rent-A-Center" stupid.

This? Stupider than that.


First time i've used the 'funny' button. Kudos.
 
2012-04-25 02:17:43 PM  
I've also witnessed the water from the ocean come up high on the beach and then recede to a lower level. If only the nazis had explained that one.
 
2012-04-25 02:18:11 PM  

FlashHarry: hillbillypharmacist: HOW DID PEOPLE EVOLVE FROM MONKEYS, BUT THERE ARE STILL MONKEYS??

IF I'M DESCENDED FROM MY PARENTS, WHY ARE MY PARENTS STILL ALIVE?


It's more like:

IF MY SISTER AND I HAVE THE SAME ANCESTOR'S, WHY IS SHE STILL ALIVE? WHAT'S UP WITH THAT, NERDS?
 
2012-04-25 02:20:02 PM  

Gyrfalcon: chuckufarlie: VJStinger: sigh... I see its time to bust out this old gem again:

[i1091.photobucket.com image 500x608]
This "logic" simply amazes me.

/also makes me ashamed to be of the same species.

that is amazingly stupid but I have seen environmentalists using the "same" basic argument. I have been told that we are wasting water that cannot be replaced.

Nice try, but the water is still there, just that humans and other carbon-based life forms can't safely drink it. But thanks for playing!


i1091.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-25 02:21:12 PM  

chuckufarlie: VJStinger: sigh... I see its time to bust out this old gem again:

[i1091.photobucket.com image 500x608]
This "logic" simply amazes me.

/also makes me ashamed to be of the same species.

that is amazingly stupid but I have seen environmentalists using the "same" basic argument. I have been told that we are wasting water that cannot be replaced.


"Wasting" water can certainly happen, brainiac. Just because there is global recycling of water molecules doesn't mean that localized overuse and pollution of freshwater sources, for example, isn't "wasting" a valuable resource. It can take millennia to re-fill aquifers; desalination and waterway remediation are expensive and energy-intensive.

If any environmentalist has ever made the case to you that "wasted water" disappears from the face of the earth, they deserve a slap upside the head. It seems more likely to me that you're just an astonishingly stupid person.
 
2012-04-25 02:21:15 PM  

shastacola: I've also witnessed the water from the ocean come up high on the beach and then recede to a lower level. If only the nazis had explained that one.


It was jews trying to steal the ocean, when they tried to scoop up more the water splashed out of their hands spilling forward, creating waves.
 
2012-04-25 02:21:49 PM  

canyoneer: Corsi explains that when hydrogen and carbon are added to coal, with various catalysts under intense pressure and heat, hydrocarbons are produced. That's what the mantle of the Earth does, he said. He said it doesn't take dead plants or animals, dinosaurs, plankton, algae or former living matter to produce oil, and the Nazis understood this.

Oh, wow.


Yeah, and it's all magically self-sustaining... You like that part?
 
2012-04-25 02:21:54 PM  
How much energy do you think it takes to manually assemble carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen into usable fuel molecules. Assuming it's even possible in any significant quantities, you're facing a huge problem with conservation of energy and matter.

Let gravity and the earth do the work for us.
 
2012-04-25 02:21:58 PM  
If WND asked nicely, I'll bet the GOP would loan them some engineers from Exxon to explain it.
 
2012-04-25 02:22:00 PM  

gilgigamesh: I mean, come on.

Who here doesn't find these two racist biatches strangely subductive?

I know I do.


I'd seamount their abyssal trenches!
 
2012-04-25 02:22:53 PM  

Mikey1969: Alright, will someone sum this up?


Sure:

1) Jerome Corsi is a tool
2) Bob Unruh is a gullible moron and a mindless hack.
3) colon_pow is either anencephalic or a threadshiatiing troll

Any other questions?
 
2012-04-25 02:23:37 PM  
The Fischer-Tropsch process is a real chemical process, used for converting coal into a petroleum analog. However, it hasn't diddly-squat to do with the aboiotic oil concept.

patcarew: He noted that the only place we find helium on earth is in natural gas deposits. I thought that was a damn interesting point.


Not really; the helium is the result of geologic beta decay.

darcsun: That was the first Time I've actually read a WND article. Seriosuly? Are they all like this?


About par.

darcsun: Is it like a tabloid or something.


Or something. Think the Weekly World News, with less fetish for journalistic accuracy and integrity, and a lot more right-leaning.
 
2012-04-25 02:24:15 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Umm...all these posts mocking this theory...and not one of you can prove or disprove who is right or wrong...now, who's the Moran?


Many people HAve talked about it, are you just reading-challenged? They have also posted links to the "controversy", and links showing that it isn't actually a "controversy", as well as the fact that Yes, you CAN make synthetic oil, but it doesn't actually mean that it isn't a byproduct of decaying life.

I hope that answered your questions, Mr Corsi.
 
2012-04-25 02:24:21 PM  
Think about it people. The Nazi scientists who did this groundbreaking research: where are they now?

Dead, every single one of them. Coincidence? No! They were silenced!!!!!

//adjusts tinfoil hat and goes back to the article to take notes
 
2012-04-25 02:24:28 PM  
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-04-25 02:24:52 PM  

shastacola: I've also witnessed the water from the ocean come up high on the beach and then recede to a lower level. If only the nazis had explained that one.


That was right after the Nazis invaded the moon in 1943.
 
2012-04-25 02:25:14 PM  

theorellior: gilgigamesh: I mean, come on.

Who here doesn't find these two racist biatches strangely subductive?

I know I do.

I'd seamount their abyssal trenches!


That comment was epeiric.
 
2012-04-25 02:25:16 PM  
Chris Reul
This is why good christians need to listen to what the Nazis said, not what liberal scientists claim.

So perfect. I'm glad I clicked through to this WND story.
 
2012-04-25 02:25:33 PM  

Snarfangel: Ctrl-Alt-Del: I've seen conspiracy theorists; I've seen creationists; I've seen birthers, and troofers, free-energy enthusiasts, anti-vaxxers and denialists of all stripes.

Well, I've seen fire and I've seen rain. I've seen sunny days that I thought would never end.


Well, stick around, you'll probably see me again
 
2012-04-25 02:25:49 PM  
And I suppose Jesus magic'ed the coal into existence, if so why wasn't oil just directly made like everything else was supposed to be?
 
2012-04-25 02:26:18 PM  
See, the thing I like about this article is that it contains about three or four separate layers of crazy that together make an amazing "insanity lasagna."

First and most obviously, you have the abiotic oil thing. As I understand it, it was a legitimate hypothesis about 100 years ago before we gained a bit more knowledge on the subject. However, why "abiotic hydrocarbons" are automatically assumed to imply "infinite oil" or "infinite oil that it's cost-effective to extract" is beyond me, or at least it would be if I didn't know how many people have bizarre politically-motivated attachments to fossil fuels.

Second, you have a complete misrepresentation of the Fischer-Tropsch process, which is neither secret nor magic.

Third, you have a massive conspiracy in which the Nazis possessed secret technology which was then appropriated by a cabal of oil companies and suppressed for seventy years, in a campaign that must have included clamping down on pretty much every University geology department in the world and preventing all oil company geologists from speaking out about how oil companies really operate.

What I find interesting about the abiotic oil people and young-earth creationists and the "Tesla discovered free energy" loons is that not only do they believe really crazy stuff that feeds their worldview, it's that all of these fields actually consist of numerous layers of wrongness which are taken as a package deal without anyone noticing.
 
2012-04-25 02:27:07 PM  

Tremolo: IMDWalrus: THAT IS NOT HOW SCIENCE WORKS.

Sometimes, I really hate people.

Oh yeah? I don't see you with a Fungineering degree.


Not my fault my university didn't offer it. :(
 
2012-04-25 02:28:56 PM  

chuckufarlie: that is amazingly stupid but I have seen environmentalists using the "same" basic argument. I have been told that we are wasting water that cannot be replaced.


The water still exists, part of the problem is that it evaporates in location 'A', and falls as precipitation in location 'X'. Also, a lot of it ends up in the ocean, which is undrinkable. Add to that the amount that we have polluted, and I'm sure you can see where this is going. Waste water in Phoenix, it ends up falling as rain somewhere else and eventually winding its way to the ocean, where it is undrinkable. Either way, it's not in Phoenix anymore, and so they pull it from somewhere else, and so on.
 
2012-04-25 02:29:05 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Mikey1969: Alright, will someone sum this up?

Sure:

1) Jerome Corsi is a tool
2) Bob Unruh is a gullible moron and a mindless hack.
3) colon_pow is either anencephalic or a threadshiatiing troll

Any other questions?


because i did a google search on abiotic oil and got 900,000 hits in 0.24 seconds.
ok, sorry, didn't mean to threadshiat.

do carry on, you brave men of knowledge and wisdom.
 
2012-04-25 02:29:10 PM  

colon_pow: do not click this link.

Link


do not click this link.

Link
 
2012-04-25 02:31:40 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Mikey1969: Alright, will someone sum this up?

Sure:

1) Jerome Corsi is a tool
2) Bob Unruh is a gullible moron and a mindless hack.
3) colon_pow is either anencephalic or a threadshiatiing troll

Any other questions?


Nope, that was perfection. Thank you!
 
2012-04-25 02:32:24 PM  

colon_pow: do not click this link.

Link


What's funny about you posting this patently ridiculous fantasy is that you're the same guy that likes to scoff that libtards are all about moon dust, faery magic and unicorn farts.
 
2012-04-25 02:33:32 PM  

Aarontology: Good God, these people are dumber than a bag of rocks.


Now imagine what would happen if Romney wins in November. They will see themselves as the New Master Race, dictating our policies.
 
2012-04-25 02:34:02 PM  

theorellior: colon_pow: do not click this link.

Link

What's funny about you posting this patently ridiculous fantasy is that you're the same guy that likes to scoff that libtards are all about moon dust, faery magic and unicorn farts.


i posted a link, there sparky. i'm not claiming to have settled the science.
 
2012-04-25 02:35:26 PM  
 
2012-04-25 02:35:29 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: What I find interesting about the abiotic oil people and young-earth creationists and the "Tesla discovered free energy" loons is that not only do they believe really crazy stuff that feeds their worldview, it's that all of these fields actually consist of numerous layers of wrongness which are taken as a package deal without anyone noticing.



The worst part of the Tesla people is that they take away from the truly amazing stuff he actually did, instead making people waste time focusing on the myth.
 
2012-04-25 02:36:02 PM  

Some 'Splainin' To Do: I try to explain that it's exactly the same way that poodles are descended from wolves, but it just doesn't penetrate.


Tell him to fark the poodle. Give the chicken a break.
 
2012-04-25 02:36:04 PM  

colon_pow: i posted a link, there sparky. i'm not claiming to have settled the science.


You're asking us to entertain your fantasy about unlimited petroleum just bubbling up from below through the magic influence of lava trolls or something. Don't look in the mirror, you'll find unicorn jism all over your face.
 
2012-04-25 02:37:33 PM  

colon_pow: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Mikey1969: Alright, will someone sum this up?

Sure:

1) Jerome Corsi is a tool
2) Bob Unruh is a gullible moron and a mindless hack.
3) colon_pow is either anencephalic or a threadshiatiing troll

Any other questions?

because i did a google search on abiotic oil and got 900,000 hits in 0.24 seconds.
ok, sorry, didn't mean to threadshiat.

do carry on, you brave men of knowledge and wisdom.


I did a google search on unicorn farts and got over a million hits in 0.17 seconds, what the hell does that prove?

/had to be done.
 
2012-04-25 02:37:40 PM  

colon_pow: Ctrl-Alt-Del: Mikey1969: Alright, will someone sum this up?

Sure:

1) Jerome Corsi is a tool
2) Bob Unruh is a gullible moron and a mindless hack.
3) colon_pow is either anencephalic or a threadshiatiing troll

Any other questions?

because i did a google search on abiotic oil and got 900,000 hits in 0.24 seconds.
ok, sorry, didn't mean to threadshiat.

do carry on, you brave men of knowledge and wisdom.


Oh, spare us the farking smugness.

#1, lots of hits means nothing in and of itself. I just googled "jerkoff" and got about 10,200,000 results in 0.28 seconds. Even you're not that dumb.

#2, you offered nothing but a link. No argument, not attempt to reason or persuade, no effort on your part at all. F.

Butthurt is not a good way to get people to look at your position seriously.
 
2012-04-25 02:38:25 PM  
These people vote.
 
2012-04-25 02:40:58 PM  
abb3w:

patcarew: He noted that the only place we find helium on earth is in natural gas deposits. I thought that was a damn interesting point.

Not really; the helium is the result of geologic beta decay.


Alpha decay, actually.

It's a non-sequitur anyway, since even though helium and methane are formed by different processes, they only collect in significant quantities in dome shaped strata of sufficient density. They're small both small enough molecules (monatomic in the case of helium) to percolate upward through most rock just as water can percolate downward.
 
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