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2012-04-25 10:46:35 AM
If the word "Jets" appears and the player involved is not Darrelle Revis...that's a good sign.
 
2012-04-25 11:18:40 AM
How to identify a draft bust;

Step #1: Was the player drafted by the Browns or Redskins if so you do not need to go to step #2
 
2012-04-25 01:45:03 PM
Too early to start talking about Witten in the HOF, but damn, he is a warrior. Definitely the greatest TE the Cowboys ever had, and I've been watching them since the days of Billy Joe Dupree. I would put Novacek 2nd and Cosbie 3rd after him.
 
2012-04-25 01:48:39 PM
They're using 1997-2007 and not a single Raider first rounder? Figured JaOffTheMarcus or Darrell Russell would have been high on those lists; although I guess the parade of terrible DT's from the SEC and Big Ten from '99 to '04 helped cousin Darrell's fall.

/And Fabian, and Stinchcomb, and Brayton...
 
2012-04-25 01:52:23 PM

NuttierThanEver: How to identify a draft bust;

Step #1: Was the player drafted by the Browns or Redskins if so you do not need to go to step #2


As a Redskins, I have to agree generally. But they seem to have turned the ship around with that with Orakpo, possibly Williams, and Kerrigan in the past three drafts*.

*This of course is until the Redskins finish 8-8 this year, Shanahanigans is fired, and Snyder uses the team to play fantasy football again
 
2012-04-25 01:59:00 PM
Draft picks sidelined by injuries early in their career aren't the same as true busts IMO. Sure they are "busts" in that they couldn't play, but that doesn't mean that if they could play they wouldn't have been good. People like JaMarcus or Ryan Leaf had every chance to succeed and stunk it up anyway.
 
2012-04-25 02:07:46 PM
Is the author Bill Barnwell?

Yes, yes it is. So suffice to say, you can pretty safely dismiss his piece of overwrought crap. Anyone that could possibly write, with a straight face, that Mike Smith and the Falcons made the right move by going for it on 4th down in OT inside their own 30 against Drew Brees when he was on pace for a record-setting TD throwing season lost all credibility to speak intelligently about football.
 
2012-04-25 02:09:25 PM

Ken VeryBigLiar: They're using 1997-2007 and not a single Raider first rounder? Figured JaOffTheMarcus or Darrell Russell would have been high on those lists; although I guess the parade of terrible DT's from the SEC and Big Ten from '99 to '04 helped cousin Darrell's fall.

/And Fabian, and Stinchcomb, and Brayton...


They only listed the best/worst from each position based on their scoring system. Somehow, that means Akili Smith scored worse than Jafatass.
 
2012-04-25 02:10:12 PM

Gulper Eel: If the word "Jets" appears and the player involved is not Darrelle Revis...that's a good sign.


Eh. The Jets haven't done that badly since Tannenbaum took over -- Vernon Gholston being the notable exception. Besides Revis (and Gholston) they've drafted Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, David Harris, Dustin Keller, and Mark Sanchez in the first round -- all decent to star-quality players. The last couple of drafts have been kinda iffy, I'll admit, but it's not consistently bad.
 
2012-04-25 02:16:15 PM
I'm surprised they were able to find a bigger bust on the D-Line than Dimitrius Underwood. What a nightmare that was.
 
2012-04-25 02:26:08 PM

Gulper Eel: If the word "Jets" appears and the player involved is not Darrelle Revis...that's a good sign.


Since 2000, the only legitimate bust the Jets have drafted was Gholston. (Jury is still out on Kyle Wilson) Mangold and Brick, whilst not hall of famers, are among the best offensive linemen in the NFL. A majority of their first round picks have had long, productive NFL careers.

Seriously, that Jets draft blunders video? You could make that for half the teams in the league.
 
2012-04-25 02:27:27 PM

Arkanaut: Gulper Eel: If the word "Jets" appears and the player involved is not Darrelle Revis...that's a good sign.

Eh. The Jets haven't done that badly since Tannenbaum took over -- Vernon Gholston being the notable exception. Besides Revis (and Gholston) they've drafted Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, David Harris, Dustin Keller, and Mark Sanchez in the first round -- all decent to star-quality players. The last couple of drafts have been kinda iffy, I'll admit, but it's not consistently bad.


Sanchez is a middle of the road QB, and this year is his make or break year. He has GOT to perform this year or 2013 will be his last as a Jet.
 
2012-04-25 02:28:15 PM

NewWorldDan: I'm surprised they were able to find a bigger bust on the D-Line than Dimitrius Underwood. What a nightmare that was.


Yeah, Jamal Reynolds was awful...dude looked like a beast coming out of FSU and just stunk.

/Packer fan...
 
2012-04-25 02:37:13 PM

matthew_tray: Is the author Bill Barnwell?

Yes, yes it is. So suffice to say, you can pretty safely dismiss his piece of overwrought crap. Anyone that could possibly write, with a straight face, that Mike Smith and the Falcons made the right move by going for it on 4th down in OT inside their own 30 against Drew Brees when he was on pace for a record-setting TD throwing season lost all credibility to speak intelligently about football.


Barnwell at least made a good argument in that one, even though in that case I didn't agree with it. I certainly don't think that Barnwell taking that position is enough cause to dismiss him entirely. And it's not like he didn't consider Brees.

Of course, Mike Smith's 4th down strategies ended up being very nice for me as a Giants fan.
 
2012-04-25 02:38:04 PM
Their first name is "and the Cleveland Browns select"?
 
2012-04-25 02:39:47 PM
I don't think the Interesting tag and Grantland have anything to do with one another.
 
2012-04-25 03:14:22 PM
While they admit that rating "best" and "worst" draft picks is highly subjective, and their scoring system is far from perfect, they then go ahead and use it anyway.

The examples they end up with most people wouldn't disagree with as "successful" and "unsuccessful" but it misses a lot of the true meaning of "best pick" and "worst pick" which have more levels of meaning than just "started a bunch of games and went to the Pro-Bowl".
 
2012-04-25 03:16:51 PM

degenerate-afro: Draft picks sidelined by injuries early in their career aren't the same as true busts IMO. Sure they are "busts" in that they couldn't play, but that doesn't mean that if they could play they wouldn't have been good. People like JaMarcus or Ryan Leaf had every chance to succeed and stunk it up anyway.


THIS ONE
I read this article yesterday and came in to say the same thing. It's almost as if Barnwell was afraid to fling the mud. There should be a list chock full of bad players and the names of the GM's and organizations who drafted them. We thrive on that stuff.
Whar Merriweather?
 
2012-04-25 03:33:41 PM
Regardless of the iffy criteria, hard to argue with Akili Smith as the worst QB.

I don't think it's possible Tannehill can be that bad, but I don't really get how he's rocketing up draft boards.

If some team in the top 10 isn't careful though, pinning their hopes on Tannehill could bring them tumbling down like a bonfire log pile.
 
2012-04-25 03:48:59 PM

MattyFridays: Arkanaut: Gulper Eel: If the word "Jets" appears and the player involved is not Darrelle Revis...that's a good sign.

Eh. The Jets haven't done that badly since Tannenbaum took over -- Vernon Gholston being the notable exception. Besides Revis (and Gholston) they've drafted Nick Mangold, D'Brickashaw Ferguson, David Harris, Dustin Keller, and Mark Sanchez in the first round -- all decent to star-quality players. The last couple of drafts have been kinda iffy, I'll admit, but it's not consistently bad.

Sanchez is a middle of the road QB, and this year is his make or break year. He has GOT to perform this year or 2013 will be his last as a Jet.


Shouldn't Sanchez have been better than a middle of the road QB considering where he was picked?

Funny how many people in Detroit wanted the Lions to take Sanchez instead of Stafford.
 
2012-04-25 03:52:00 PM

Johnny Lemonhead: Regardless of the iffy criteria, hard to argue with Akili Smith as the worst QB.


I was wondering about Leaf and JaMarcus, but I guess they got a few more points because they started more games.

That might say more about the team's level of desperation than their talent, though.
 
2012-04-25 03:53:58 PM

matthew_tray: Is the author Bill Barnwell?

Yes, yes it is. So suffice to say, you can pretty safely dismiss his piece of overwrought crap. Anyone that could possibly write, with a straight face, that Mike Smith and the Falcons made the right move by going for it on 4th down in OT inside their own 30 against Drew Brees when he was on pace for a record-setting TD throwing season lost all credibility to speak intelligently about football.


Doesn't the fact that Drew Brees was on pace for a record setting TD throwing season bolster the argument for not giving the ball back to the Saints? Mike Smith's poor decision that game was the play call on fourth down which lacked any sort of misdirection.
 
2012-04-25 04:45:19 PM

bahamasorbust: matthew_tray: Is the author Bill Barnwell?

Yes, yes it is. So suffice to say, you can pretty safely dismiss his piece of overwrought crap. Anyone that could possibly write, with a straight face, that Mike Smith and the Falcons made the right move by going for it on 4th down in OT inside their own 30 against Drew Brees when he was on pace for a record-setting TD throwing season lost all credibility to speak intelligently about football.

Doesn't the fact that Drew Brees was on pace for a record setting TD throwing season bolster the argument for not giving the ball back to the Saints? Mike Smith's poor decision that game was the play call on fourth down which lacked any sort of misdirection.


Yes. Two of the stats du jour are:
1. Their likelihood of success in the given down and distance against that particular opponent's defense
and
2. a matrix of likelihood of the opponent scoring given the different outcomes of the previous situation.

With decision-making process automated, it's a matter of playcall and execution.

You can almost assume that whether the ball was on their one yard line or their opponent's one yard line, New Orleans was going to score. Yes, because of Brees and that offense, but also because at the time there were no stats accounting for bounty incentives and eavesdropping. Zing.
 
2012-04-25 06:14:51 PM

Johnny Lemonhead: Regardless of the iffy criteria, hard to argue with Akili Smith as the worst QB.

I don't think it's possible Tannehill can be that bad, but I don't really get how he's rocketing up draft boards.

If some team in the top 10 isn't careful though, pinning their hopes on Tannehill could bring them tumbling down like a bonfire log pile.


He's rocketing up the charts because there are enough teams in the top 10 desperate for a quarterback, while the class itself is pretty weak at the position overall. The Colts (1), Redskins (2), Browns (4), and Dolphins (8) all are interested in taking a quarterback, while the only two worth anything are Luck and RG3, both of whom are already essentially claimed by the Colts and Redskins.
 
2012-04-25 06:15:30 PM

matthew_tray: Is the author Bill Barnwell?

Yes, yes it is. So suffice to say, you can pretty safely dismiss his piece of overwrought crap. Anyone that could possibly write, with a straight face, that Mike Smith and the Falcons made the right move by going for it on 4th down in OT inside their own 30 against Drew Brees when he was on pace for a record-setting TD throwing season lost all credibility to speak intelligently about football.


Well you've certainly won me over with such a well-reasoned post...

/You're half-right though, *somebody's* lost their credibility...
 
2012-04-25 07:17:49 PM

jkl65s4: He's rocketing up the charts because there are enough teams in the top 10 desperate for a quarterback, while the class itself is pretty weak at the position overall.


He's rocketing up the charts because it's a QB league and we already know where the best two are going, so now we have to talk about the No. 3 guy to create intrigue about where he'll go.

If there were still a question about what was going to be done with RGIII, there would be little to no discussion about Tannehill.
 
2012-04-25 07:19:02 PM
I'd like for the Saints to use a late-round flyer on Bo Levi Mitchell from EWU - short QB, from Katy, TX, wears No. 9...seems like a good match! But they can probably get him after the draft.
 
2012-04-25 07:33:25 PM
the perfect examples of the risk-reward in taking a running back at the top of the draft, as somebody will do with Trent Richardson

I'm going on record right now.

Barring injury, Richardson will be a HOF RB. That motherfarker is simply the best college RB I've ever seen. Big, strong, fast, quick, pick two? He's all FOUR. I know that RB is a disposable position now, but whoever takes him is getting a franchise back, period.
 
2012-04-25 07:48:12 PM

oh_please: That motherfarker is simply the best college RB I've ever seen. Big, strong, fast, quick, pick two? He's all FOUR


So fast his "signature play" involved him getting tackled from behind. Dude isn't fast (on an NFL level).
 
2012-04-25 08:00:56 PM

Nana's Vibrator: degenerate-afro: Draft picks sidelined by injuries early in their career aren't the same as true busts IMO. Sure they are "busts" in that they couldn't play, but that doesn't mean that if they could play they wouldn't have been good. People like JaMarcus or Ryan Leaf had every chance to succeed and stunk it up anyway.

THIS ONE
I read this article yesterday and came in to say the same thing. It's almost as if Barnwell was afraid to fling the mud. There should be a list chock full of bad players and the names of the GM's and organizations who drafted them. We thrive on that stuff.
Whar Merriweather?


Redskins signed that "pro bowl safety"

I've never seen a player get that much WTF! over a pro bowl selection from the fans of his own team as big bang clock.
 
2012-04-25 08:40:39 PM

degenerate-afro: Draft picks sidelined by injuries early in their career aren't the same as true busts IMO. Sure they are "busts" in that they couldn't play, but that doesn't mean that if they could play they wouldn't have been good. People like JaMarcus or Ryan Leaf had every chance to succeed and stunk it up anyway.


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2012-04-25 08:42:35 PM
Well, you know the guy's full of shiat when he says no one's going to vote for Jason Witten to make the HOF. I'm a Bills fan and even I know that's crazy.
 
2012-04-25 09:01:34 PM

IAmRight: oh_please: That motherfarker is simply the best college RB I've ever seen. Big, strong, fast, quick, pick two? He's all FOUR

So fast his "signature play" involved him getting tackled from behind. Dude isn't fast (on an NFL level).


What's this "signature play" you're talking about? The guy outran SEC DBs for the last two years. And when they had the angle on him, he'd either stop, cut, and break their ankles, or simply throw them out of bounds with one arm and keep going. I'm sure you can come up with a play or two where he was tackled from behind, but that's the exception, not the rule.
 
2012-04-25 09:21:41 PM

AnEvilGuest: Nana's Vibrator: degenerate-afro: Draft picks sidelined by injuries early in their career aren't the same as true busts IMO. Sure they are "busts" in that they couldn't play, but that doesn't mean that if they could play they wouldn't have been good. People like JaMarcus or Ryan Leaf had every chance to succeed and stunk it up anyway.

THIS ONE
I read this article yesterday and came in to say the same thing. It's almost as if Barnwell was afraid to fling the mud. There should be a list chock full of bad players and the names of the GM's and organizations who drafted them. We thrive on that stuff.
Whar Merriweather?

Redskins signed that "pro bowl safety"

I've never seen a player get that much WTF! over a pro bowl selection from the fans of his own team as big bang clock.


Even before people were learning how bad he is,Toucher & Rich (one of the local sports radio morning show teams) used to interview him weekly. Then for the next 3 hours they'd play back the entire interview and stop it intermittently to make fun of everything he said.
It's all a shame, he's really athletic and did have flashes of being a ball hawk. Just couldn't seem to put together a game where he did less damage than good.
And now Washington? The former Miami safety goes to Washington with the overhanging shadow of a true probowler from Miami - Sean Taylor. This won't end well.
 
2012-04-25 11:51:32 PM
oh_please

That motherfarker is simply the best college RB I've ever seen.

One of the first college games I attended, I got to see Herschel Walker. So yeah, Richardson isnt close to the best Ive seen.
 
2012-04-26 09:22:22 AM

MattyFridays: Gulper Eel: If the word "Jets" appears and the player involved is not Darrelle Revis...that's a good sign.

Since 2000, the only legitimate bust the Jets have drafted was Gholston. (Jury is still out on Kyle Wilson) Mangold and Brick, whilst not hall of famers, are among the best offensive linemen in the NFL. A majority of their first round picks have had long, productive NFL careers.

Seriously, that Jets draft blunders video? You could make that for half the teams in the league.


Bingo. Talking to any particular fan, their team is the worst team at drafting ever.
/caveat: Patriots. I hate them but they seem to know what they are doing w/ that.
 
2012-04-26 09:26:56 AM

oh_please: What's this "signature play" you're talking about?


A play late in the Auburn game - I know the SEC announcers always blow guys and say that it's the best play ever, but they genuinely said one run earned him the Heisman...he got caught 40 yards downfield with 15 or so to go before the end zone.

Also, 4.58 is not fast in the NFL. Not saying he's not a good RB, just saying you're delusional calling him fast. He's also not likely to be a HoFer. He's not going to get to run 28 times/game in the NFL, either. However, he does seem to be a pretty good receiving back, so he does have some potential to be one.

/FWIW, no RBs coming out in this NFL environment have a chance to be enshrined unless a) they're Marshall Faulk-types, who get a ton of receiving plays, or b) the NFL changes rules to make running advantageous.
 
2012-04-26 10:28:23 AM
The author got one things right...Patrick Willis has been one of the best football players in the NFL at ANY position for the last 5 years.

He's rarely hurt, he plays hard on virtually every play, he can cover the run, rush the passer and cover the TE in the void...he is so good it's ridiculous.
 
2012-04-26 04:20:28 PM
seems like all the draft *busts* on this list are just guys that had career-ending injuries. there is a difference between that and just being bad.

draft hint, of course: don't draft someone who is injured or extremely fragile.
 
2012-04-26 06:45:43 PM

IAmRight: Also, 4.58 is not fast in the NFL


What you run at the combine doesn't mean jack squat when you've burned SEC defenses for 2 years. Also, dude can bench 400+, throw people away with one hand, and break a pursuing corner's ankles with a cut.

I know you've spent your time slobbering over Boise State, but if you actually watched him, he's farking special.
 
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