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2012-04-25 05:00:47 PM
Is there any group since ww2 that has cause more mischief in the countries that welcomed them?

that fact

does not change the reality

of the enemy of my enemy alliance

mohammedans and their proxy the indengenous race of palestinians

are a threat to all at present

someday the threat will wear the oriental smirk of the chinese I see conducting their mole program at the lab, even Appalachia's Oak Ridge is riddles with these colleagues

the West has been sold out

is group number one responsible for that as well?

history will reveal the facts though you'll be long gone
 
2012-04-25 05:06:01 PM
It's not because he has an opinion about Israel that people disagree with, its because he's using university resources to promote boycott of Israel when it has nothing to do with his class.

If he did that on his personal blog, no one would care.


Either way, I don't give a shiat. It's just past midnight, just came back from Yaffa where thousands of Israelis are dancing and celebrating and singing and shouting about Independence Day, my throat is dry and I just don't give a shiat.

/Yom HaAtzmaut sameach to all Jews on Fark!
 
2012-04-25 05:08:15 PM
Oh and subby's headline that you're not allowed to criticize Israel if you're in the world of academia would be somewhat funny if it wasn't just so incredibly retard beyond belief.
 
2012-04-25 05:12:15 PM
Academia is supposed to permit and encourage the challenging of one's assumptions and beliefs... Unless we're talking about Israel

Bevets:

Apparently subby has never been in a biology classroom.

PsiChick:

Also, you're perfectly welcome to argue whatever you like with your biology professor, but he's perfectly welcome to ignore you, argue back, or even throw you out of a classroom.

Suppose it is the biology professor who wants to present weaknesses in the atheistic model -- should he be permitted to do this?
 
2012-04-25 05:14:16 PM

Bevets: Suppose it is the biology professor who wants to present weaknesses in the atheistic model -- should he be permitted to do this?


Evolution is a fact.

Get over it.
 
2012-04-25 05:17:19 PM

Bevets: Suppose it is the biology professor who wants to present weaknesses in the atheistic model -- should he be permitted to do this?


No. Biology and religion are separate and distinct entities. Similarly, a professor of religion should not be allowed to present anything on evolution/biology.
 
2012-04-25 05:18:42 PM

Bevets: Suppose it is the biology professor who wants to present weaknesses in the atheistic model -- should he be permitted to do this?


I know it's been probably said before but your blog sucks.
 
2012-04-25 05:19:08 PM

Kibbler: I've been reading the first five books of the Old Testament.

Our prospects are not encouraging.


i have been reading a game of thrones.

Winter is coming.

That also is not encouraging
 
2012-04-25 05:22:06 PM
There's trolling, there's stupid, and then there's crazy. Crazy is by far the most fun to read, so thanks to the religious nut for that.
 
2012-04-25 05:22:33 PM

Bevets: Apparently subby has never been in a biology classroom.


>Implying you every have.
>nightmare mode: Non accredited schools don't count.
 
2012-04-25 05:23:32 PM
Bevets is a modmin and I cannot be convinced otherwise.

CARRIER LOST
 
2012-04-25 05:24:50 PM

Tatsuma: Either way, I don't give a shiat. It's just past midnight, just came back from Yaffa where thousands of Israelis are dancing and celebrating and singing and shouting about Independence Day, my throat is dry and I just don't give a shiat.

/Yom HaAtzmaut sameach to all Jews on Fark!


If I were Jewish I'd think you were an even bigger tool bag than I do now.
 
2012-04-25 05:31:31 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Tatsuma: Either way, I don't give a shiat. It's just past midnight, just came back from Yaffa where thousands of Israelis are dancing and celebrating and singing and shouting about Independence Day, my throat is dry and I just don't give a shiat.

/Yom HaAtzmaut sameach to all Jews on Fark!

If I were Jewish I'd think you were an even bigger tool bag than I do now.



Really. I mean all religious nationalist, racist, partisan considerations aside, that was just douchey.

/picturing the rave at Zion in The Matrix 2
 
2012-04-25 05:32:28 PM

Tatsuma: It's not because he has an opinion about Israel that people disagree with, its because he's using university resources to promote boycott of Israel when it has nothing to do with his class.

If he did that on his personal blog, no one would care.


Either way, I don't give a shiat. It's just past midnight, just came back from Yaffa where thousands of Israelis are dancing and celebrating and singing and shouting about Independence Day, my throat is dry and I just don't give a shiat.

/Yom HaAtzmaut sameach to all Jews on Fark!


Crap. Division by zero is here!
 
2012-04-25 05:39:08 PM
Thank you FARK!!! 112 comments and no use of the epithet zionist/zionism. Well done!

I'm automatically tipped off that someone is a neo-nazi, holocaust denier, or someone of that wavelength (or a nonthinking dizzbrain influenceaable by aforementioned) if someone says "zionist" when a simple "pro-Israel" will suffice.
 
2012-04-25 05:41:16 PM

Kevin72: Thank you FARK!!! 112 comments and no use of the epithet zionist/zionism. Well done!

I'm automatically tipped off that someone is a neo-nazi, holocaust denier, or someone of that wavelength (or a nonthinking dizzbrain influenceaable by aforementioned) if someone says "zionist" when a simple "pro-Israel" will suffice.


Doesn't that seem a little, i dunno, stupid to you?
 
2012-04-25 05:43:57 PM

Tatsuma: ...just came back from Yaffa...


Go Yaffa! ???
 
2012-04-25 05:44:08 PM
Did I speak too soon?

From Weeners13:" /picturing the rave at Zion in The Matrix 2"

Actually, "Zion" is OK. If it refers to The Matrix or Zion Nat'l Park in Utah. It's use of zionist/zionism that tips me off that someone is a useless hater.
 
2012-04-25 05:48:08 PM

LasersHurt: Kevin72: Thank you FARK!!! 112 comments and no use of the epithet zionist/zionism. Well done!

I'm automatically tipped off that someone is a neo-nazi, holocaust denier, or someone of that wavelength (or a nonthinking dizzbrain influenceaable by aforementioned) if someone says "zionist" when a simple "pro-Israel" will suffice.

Doesn't that seem a little, i dunno, stupid to you?


No, not stupid. Use of those particular words speaks volumes. The non-use of those words elevates my respect for FARK and FARKers. A lot.
 
2012-04-25 05:49:30 PM

sweetmelissa31: Jim_Callahan: The Law of Return is not just blatantly but explicitly discriminatory on religious grounds.

Hmm... I thought it was on ethnic grounds and not religious grounds, but apparently you can't immigrate if you practice a religion that is not Judaism even if you are ethnically Jewish. But I believe you could immigrate if you are an atheist, since it doesn't involve practicing religion. Not that I would want to live there.


(1) From the link to wiki in my post: "In 1999, the Supreme Court of Israel ruled that Jews or the descendants of Jews that actively practice a religion other than Judaism would not be allowed to immigrate to Israel as they would no longer be considered Jews under the provisions of the Law of Return."

So... nope.

(2) "Oh, that policy isn't religious discrimination, it's just racist" isn't really a stunning defense of a practice, heh.
 
2012-04-25 05:49:41 PM

Kevin72: LasersHurt: Kevin72: Thank you FARK!!! 112 comments and no use of the epithet zionist/zionism. Well done!

I'm automatically tipped off that someone is a neo-nazi, holocaust denier, or someone of that wavelength (or a nonthinking dizzbrain influenceaable by aforementioned) if someone says "zionist" when a simple "pro-Israel" will suffice.

Doesn't that seem a little, i dunno, stupid to you?

No, not stupid. Use of those particular words speaks volumes. The non-use of those words elevates my respect for FARK and FARKers. A lot.


I don't understand WHY though. Those aren't dirty words or epithets, they're real terms. They have historical context and meaning. Why is this indicative of the horrors you think it is?
 
2012-04-25 05:49:49 PM

Dr Dreidel: I'll grant that CULTURALLY, Israel has growing up to do. Issues of religious freedom, though - I'll take up that radio guy's challenge: find me any city in the ME with more religious freedom than Jerusalem (or Tel Aviv, whatever). He offered $50k on-air, but I'll give you a month of TF.


Nicosia, Cyprus?
 
2012-04-25 05:52:23 PM
Did Amos Quito get banned or something? He was pretty reliable in these threads.

Maybe he's traveling.
 
2012-04-25 05:54:19 PM

Bevets: Suppose it is the biology professor who wants to present weaknesses in the atheistic model -- should he be permitted to do this?


A biology professor should not be teaching either a theistic or an atheistic model. I know you've decided that evolution is inherently atheistic, but that does not make it true.

And he's welcome to illustrate any holes, as long as they're not based on the same discredited bullshiat you plaster all over that webpage of yours. And as long as he doesn't try to fill them with God.
 
2012-04-25 05:55:39 PM

Kevin72: I'm automatically tipped off that someone is a neo-nazi, holocaust denier, or someone of that wavelength (or a nonthinking dizzbrain influenceaable by aforementioned) if someone says "zionist" when a simple "pro-Israel" will suffice.


Zionism and pro-Israelism are related but are actually two different things. At one time they might have been synonymous...but, not any more.

Zionism is understandable, regardless of who you are and to whom you owe allegiance. Anyone can understand why Jews would choose -- at last -- self-government rather than rely on populations that have have historical animosity toward the humanity of Jewish people. And, keep in mind that many of the populations hostile to Jews weren't just discriminatory. Many of them participated in and even promoted the genocide of the Jewish people. That's real antisemitism, and it's among the most horrible manifestations of human evil.

Being pro-Israel (that is, fark yeah Israel, right or wrong), on the other hand, only makes sense if you're an Israeli. And, even then, it doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
2012-04-25 05:58:36 PM
Academia is supposed to permit and encourage the challenging of one's assumptions and beliefs

Since when? Try challenging the orthodoxies of climate change, abortion, and Occupy Wall Street on campus and see what happens. Tip: don't drive your car that day if you want to keep your tires and paint job intact.
 
2012-04-25 05:59:25 PM

jjorsett: Academia is supposed to permit and encourage the challenging of one's assumptions and beliefs

Since when? Try challenging the orthodoxies of climate change, abortion, and Occupy Wall Street on campus and see what happens. Tip: don't drive your car that day if you want to keep your tires and paint job intact.


It must be so terrible in the world that might exist which you apparently might live in. You're so theoretically brave.
 
2012-04-25 06:00:33 PM

jjorsett: Academia is supposed to permit and encourage the challenging of one's assumptions and beliefs

Since when? Try challenging the orthodoxies of climate change, abortion, and Occupy Wall Street on campus and see what happens. Tip: don't drive your car that day if you want to keep your tires and paint job intact.


Yes we see you up there on that cross.

No need to lie though.
 
2012-04-25 06:01:53 PM

LasersHurt: Kevin72: LasersHurt: Kevin72: Thank you FARK!!! 112 comments and no use of the epithet zionist/zionism. Well done!

I'm automatically tipped off that someone is a neo-nazi, holocaust denier, or someone of that wavelength (or a nonthinking dizzbrain influenceaable by aforementioned) if someone says "zionist" when a simple "pro-Israel" will suffice.

Doesn't that seem a little, i dunno, stupid to you?

No, not stupid. Use of those particular words speaks volumes. The non-use of those words elevates my respect for FARK and FARKers. A lot.

I don't understand WHY though. Those aren't dirty words or epithets, they're real terms. They have historical context and meaning. Why is this indicative of the horrors you think it is?


100 years ago, a Zionist was a person who believed that there should be a homeland in Israel, I will grant that. Will you grant that words change meanings over time?

In modern times, the people who use the word "Zionist" instead of "Israeli" are people like Stormfront, the KKK, David Duke, Ahmedinajad, holocaust deniers, and other people who deny that Israel exists and/or has a right to exist, so they say "Zionist" instead of "Israeli".
 
2012-04-25 06:12:17 PM
Why is our country, with it's whole separation of church and state thingy... supportive of a theocracy like Israel at all? Jus wondrin...
 
2012-04-25 06:16:53 PM
Posts from SkinnyHead, Bevets, and Tatsuma all in the same thread? Wow.
 
2012-04-25 06:20:02 PM

Kevin72: LasersHurt: Kevin72: LasersHurt: Kevin72: Thank you FARK!!! 112 comments and no use of the epithet zionist/zionism. Well done!

I'm automatically tipped off that someone is a neo-nazi, holocaust denier, or someone of that wavelength (or a nonthinking dizzbrain influenceaable by aforementioned) if someone says "zionist" when a simple "pro-Israel" will suffice.

Doesn't that seem a little, i dunno, stupid to you?

No, not stupid. Use of those particular words speaks volumes. The non-use of those words elevates my respect for FARK and FARKers. A lot.

I don't understand WHY though. Those aren't dirty words or epithets, they're real terms. They have historical context and meaning. Why is this indicative of the horrors you think it is?

100 years ago, a Zionist was a person who believed that there should be a homeland in Israel, I will grant that. Will you grant that words change meanings over time?

In modern times, the people who use the word "Zionist" instead of "Israeli" are people like Stormfront, the KKK, David Duke, Ahmedinajad, holocaust deniers, and other people who deny that Israel exists and/or has a right to exist, so they say "Zionist" instead of "Israeli".


I will grant you that words do change over time. I will not grant that Zionist has turned into a bad word only used by horrible people. That's ridiculous.
 
2012-04-25 06:20:11 PM

justanothersumguy: Why is our country, with it's whole separation of church and state thingy... supportive of a theocracy like Israel at all? Jus wondrin...


I believe Israel is a Parliamentary democracy. There are things to dislike about it, but I do not believe it is technically a theocracy.
 
2012-04-25 06:22:27 PM

Geotpf: Posts from SkinnyHead, Bevets, and Tatsuma all in the same thread? Wow.


End of the month quotas are coming up.
 
2012-04-25 06:26:40 PM

justanothersumguy: Why is our country, with it's whole separation of church and state thingy... supportive of a theocracy like Israel at all? Jus wondrin...


Because it's not a theocracy. Muslims and Christians and whoever the hell else can serve in the government.
 
2012-04-25 06:27:45 PM

Raharu: justanothersumguy: Why is our country, with it's whole separation of church and state thingy... supportive of a theocracy like Israel at all? Jus wondrin...

I believe Israel is a Parliamentary democracy. There are things to dislike about it, but I do not believe it is technically a theocracy.


Oh, I guess if it's not technically a theocracy, it's not in practice a theocracy either!
 
2012-04-25 06:32:45 PM

Raharu: justanothersumguy: Why is our country, with it's whole separation of church and state thingy... supportive of a theocracy like Israel at all? Jus wondrin...

I believe Israel is a Parliamentary democracy. There are things to dislike about it, but I do not believe it is technically a theocracy.


They have laws favoring Jews over members of other religions. That's pretty damned theocratic.

Of course, every Muslim nation has similar laws favoring Muslims, and even Great Britain has laws favoring the Church of England over other religions (most notably, some seats in the House of Lords are reserved for clergy from the Church of England).
 
2012-04-25 06:33:22 PM

justanothersumguy: Why is our country, with it's whole separation of church and state thingy... supportive of a theocracy like Israel at all? Jus wondrin...


Why not?

The United States is plenty supportive of the theocracy in Saudi Arabia.

And, quite frankly, the Saudi theocracy, is MUCH more hardcore than the Israeli one. Israel, at least, has democratic forms and minority representation. Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, is a full on, absolute religious monarchy that'll impose death on those that don't cleave to the most conservative tenets of Islam.
 
2012-04-25 06:37:54 PM

Bevets: Academia is supposed to permit and encourage the challenging of one's assumptions and beliefs... Unless we're talking about Israel

Bevets:

Apparently subby has never been in a biology classroom.

PsiChick:

Also, you're perfectly welcome to argue whatever you like with your biology professor, but he's perfectly welcome to ignore you, argue back, or even throw you out of a classroom.

Suppose it is the biology professor who wants to present weaknesses in the atheistic model -- should he be permitted to do this?


Provided he's not violating any professional ethics, go for it.
 
2012-04-25 06:55:36 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Raharu: justanothersumguy: Why is our country, with it's whole separation of church and state thingy... supportive of a theocracy like Israel at all? Jus wondrin...

I believe Israel is a Parliamentary democracy. There are things to dislike about it, but I do not believe it is technically a theocracy.

Oh, I guess if it's not technically a theocracy, it's not in practice a theocracy either!


In practice, Israel doesn't seem to be run by religious leaders either. I can't find a single PM of Israel who was ever a Rabbi. Having a state religion or even giving preferential treatment to a religion doesn't make your government a theocracy - you must actually be governed by religious officials, like Iran with the Supreme Commander and assembly of mujtahids. The term you may have been looking for is "religious state".
 
2012-04-25 07:37:47 PM
Eh, still early enough...

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/Hot like buttah
 
2012-04-25 07:44:04 PM
LasersHurt granted there are innocents who pick up the word from the hate-Israel crowd. It's like even today, people ask the question is Judaism a race or a religion. It was always a religion until Mein Kampf and it's followers argued Judaism to be a race.
 
2012-04-25 08:29:22 PM

Kevin72: LasersHurt granted there are innocents who pick up the word from the hate-Israel crowd. It's like even today, people ask the question is Judaism a race or a religion. It was always a religion until Mein Kampf and it's followers argued Judaism to be a race.


Granted, my knowledge of Judaism is limited, but I'm sure they have referred to themselves in tribal (implying kinship) terms for, well, ever.
 
2012-04-25 09:35:37 PM

Jim_Callahan: (2) "Oh, that policy isn't religious discrimination, it's just racist" isn't really a stunning defense of a practice, heh.


Um, why are you assuming that I'm defending it?
 
2012-04-25 10:26:46 PM

Kevin72: LasersHurt granted there are innocents who pick up the word from the hate-Israel crowd. It's like even today, people ask the question is Judaism a race or a religion. It was always a religion until Mein Kampf and it's followers argued Judaism to be a race.


Utter nonsense. Jews have historically been described using a number of negative physical stereotypes based on a racial type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Jews_in_literature
 
2012-04-25 10:29:18 PM
Let's see, we piss away billions every year on Israel and Egypt (because of Israel) and we get nothing for it except grief.

Hmm, sounds like Israel is just a country of whores. And they should be acting like whores until they stop taking our money.
They are not our friends, we are their Johns, and they pretty much think we are a bunch of suckers.

We have far better friends in Canada, Mexico, Great Britain, France and Germany than we do in Israel.

Do I care if they are Jews? Nope.
Did I have anything to do with the Holocaust? Nope.
Do I think that Israelis owe more to Hitler, WWII and weird US/British guilt trips then they give credit? Yep.
Do I think all religions are equally the same ooga-booga BS? Yep.
Do I think that religion plays an important part in keeping the idiot whackos from doing something really stupid if they realized that their existence ends absolutely when they die? Yep.
 
2012-04-25 11:19:53 PM
LockeOak: Kevin72: LasersHurt granted there are innocents who pick up the word from the hate-Israel crowd. It's like even today, people ask the question is Judaism a race or a religion. It was always a religion until Mein Kampf and it's followers argued Judaism to be a race.

Granted, my knowledge of Judaism is limited, but I'm sure they have referred to themselves in tribal (implying kinship) terms for, well, ever.


Yes, I've been called an M.O.T. ("member of the tribe".) though to me "The Tribe" is what they used to call the Cleveland Indians, back in the days of Gaylord Perry's vasoline ball. But ultimately, it's the religion and culture bond, not anything racial or genetic.
 
2012-04-25 11:28:50 PM

fapage: Kevin72: LasersHurt granted there are innocents who pick up the word from the hate-Israel crowd. It's like even today, people ask the question is Judaism a race or a religion. It was always a religion until Mein Kampf and it's followers argued Judaism to be a race.

Utter nonsense. Jews have historically been described using a number of negative physical stereotypes based on a racial type.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypes_of_Jews_in_literature


Do I really have to reply to a link aboutstereotypes in fiction written by authors who never even met a Jew?
 
2012-04-25 11:31:35 PM
Well I build my houses out of wood so of course I'm anti-cementic and proud of it.
 
2012-04-25 11:45:01 PM
Why do folks reply to Bevets? He does not exist and is an alt of one of the mods used to gin up traffic and page views.

Yet you dummies take the bait time and time again.
 
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