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2012-04-25 12:46:47 PM  

BMulligan: I completely agree. I had a job lined up for my 10-year old, down at the oil refinery. I figured that would keep him in Pokemon cards for a while, and teach him some valuable lessons about how to work around highly inflammable carcinogens, which I'm sure you'll agree is a valuable skill in this economy. Turns out, they can't legally let him work there. I mean, really - what the hell is wrong with this country?


Child labor laws: legal theft at the point of a gun.
 
2012-04-25 12:48:54 PM  
BigAg is doing a bang up job. No need for small farms anymore.

It's all good.
 
2012-04-25 12:54:48 PM  
If the article is completely accurate, it sounds like the rules go too far.

However, I suspect the article is exaggerating just a wee bit.
 
2012-04-25 12:57:59 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: BigAg is doing a bang up job. No need for small farms anymore.

It's all good.


It's like you didn't read the thread. At all.
 
2012-04-25 01:00:19 PM  
I guess D_I_A hit the eject button on this thread after allowing too many facts to enter the conversation.
 
2012-04-25 01:11:22 PM  
Just think of all the kids who are going to be denied character-building experiences like the one John Thompson triumphed over...

bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com

"It's been ten years and over twenty surgeries since John Thompson, a shy North Dakota native, was catapulted into international headlines.

While working alone on his parents' Hurdsfield, North Dakota farm in January 1992, Thompson's shirt became entangled in a power take-off while grinding feed. In an instant, both his arms were ripped from his body and he was knocked unconscious. His dog Tuffy licked his face until he regained consciousness. Thompson, then an 18 year-old high school senior, gathered his strength, staggered more than 100 yards to the farmhouse and opened the door with his mouth. Inside, he grasped a pencil in his teeth and used it to punch numbers on the telephone to call for help. He then climbed into the bathtub so he wouldn't bleed on his mother's carpet. After initial treatment at St. Aloisius Hospital in Harvey, North Dakota, Thompson was flown to North Memorial Medical Center in Robbinsdale, Minnesota where he underwent a six-hour long operation to reattach his arms."


Way to go O-blame-o.
 
2012-04-25 01:12:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I guess D_I_A hit the eject button on this thread after allowing too many facts to enter the conversation.


I'm sure he's just cleaning his spurs...
 
2012-04-25 01:15:50 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Government regulations, actually. I was not allowed to clean the fryer at 16 without supervision, or operate a mechanical slicer.


As opposed to not being able to do it at all.


cameroncrazy1984: And he didn't grow up in farm country nor does he have any farming experience.


Take a gander where I live.

BMulligan: I had a job lined up for my 10-year old, down at the oil refinery.


And that would make you a total dumbass.

cameroncrazy1984: I guess D_I_A hit the eject button on this thread after allowing too many facts to enter the conversation.


I'm right here.

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Regulations aren't put in place to control people who are good actors, they are to limit bad actors.


So in other words, you want the government to control not your actions, just the actions of others. You betcha.
 
2012-04-25 01:17:05 PM  
You know what? I've been approaching this all wrong. I encourage republicans to fight against Obama's devious attempts to take away the GOD GIVEN right of a 13 year old to drive a forklift for a paycheck. Shout it from the rooftops, culture warriors.
 
2012-04-25 01:19:00 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: And that would make you a total dumbass.


I'm sorry - I thought that your whole point ITT was that parents have to have the right to be total dumbasses about their kids' health and safety, otherwise we were all being crushed under the boot of oppression. Turns out, you really didn't have a point at all. Imagine my surprise.
 
2012-04-25 01:21:01 PM  

BMulligan: - I thought that your whole point ITT was that parents have to have the right to be total dumbasses about their kids' health and safety


Indeed they do.
 
2012-04-25 01:22:16 PM  
I'm going to move to Africa and force my children to work in diamond mines just to piss off the libs.
 
2012-04-25 01:22:58 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: BMulligan: - I thought that your whole point ITT was that parents have to have the right to be total dumbasses about their kids' health and safety

Indeed they do.


So, wait - are you saying that there should be no legal restriction on my 10-year old working at the oil refinery for Pokemon cards, so long as I'm okay with it?
 
2012-04-25 01:22:58 PM  

BMulligan: Dancin_In_Anson: And that would make you a total dumbass.

I'm sorry - I thought that your whole point ITT was that parents have to have the right to be total dumbasses about their kids' health and safety, otherwise we were all being crushed under the boot of oppression. Turns out, you really didn't have a point at all. Imagine my surprise.


DIA doesn't see a need for the government to protect minor children from the sometimes fatal stupidity of their parents.
 
2012-04-25 01:28:49 PM  
First they grab all the raw milk...now they tell farm kids they cannot work.

Isn't Globalist Socialism fun!

More of the push to eliminate the family farm.

All you supporting this move...hope you will enjoy paying twice as much for food.

Most of the corn grown in this country uses youth labor to de-tassle each stalk of corn. It's a job that is so much easier for kids to do than adults....and the kids do it better (and more cost-effectively) than illegal aliens

But hey, knowing liberals and Obama...this sounds like another Illegal Alien work program
 
2012-04-25 01:29:15 PM  
I don't see the issue.

If it's illegal for a child to work in a dangerous environment in any other context (e.g. manufacturing), why should they be permitted to do so on a farm?

Just sounds to me like farms have been living a century behind the rest of us.
 
2012-04-25 01:30:07 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: First they grab all the raw milk...now they tell farm kids they cannot work.

Isn't Globalist Socialism fun!

More of the push to eliminate the family farm.

All you supporting this move...hope you will enjoy paying twice as much for food.

Most of the corn grown in this country uses youth labor to de-tassle each stalk of corn. It's a job that is so much easier for kids to do than adults....and the kids do it better (and more cost-effectively) than illegal aliens

But hey, knowing liberals and Obama...this sounds like another Illegal Alien work program


BOOGA BOOGA!
 
2012-04-25 01:31:00 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Most of the corn grown in this country uses youth labor to de-tassle each stalk of corn. It's a job that is so much easier for kids to do than adults....and the kids do it better (and more cost-effectively) than illegal aliens


The tiny hands of children are SO much better at repairing the gearing in jammed presses...only a total COMMIE would be opposed to such things! Hope you like paying more for your [insert anything]!

/moron
 
2012-04-25 01:32:08 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Most ofwe produce t the corn grown in this country uses youth labor to de-tassle each stalk of corn. It's a job that is so much easier for kids to do than adults....and the kids do it better (and more cost-effectively) than illegal aliens


By the way, we produce too much goddamn corn anyway. Good riddance.
 
2012-04-25 01:32:53 PM  

verbaltoxin: GAT_00: "Daily Caller"

*closes link*

It's getting to the point where there's no reason to click any Yahoo link anymore.

There's a noticeable correlation between Yahoo circling the drain and its increase in right wing troll bait articles.


Waaaaaaaahhhhh. A news source doesn't portray my viewpoint! God what and ignorant babies many in the fark left have become. Go to kos if alternative viewpoints hurt so much.
 
2012-04-25 01:33:03 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: First they grab all the raw milk


Bullshiat right out of the gate. There is no federal restriction on selling raw milk, and 28 states allow it.
 
2012-04-25 01:33:36 PM  

Headso: Big ag says thanks! Making the small family farm even less profitable is great!



I like how the people who have no sympathy whatsoever for factory workers who are made redundant by machinery because free market, simultaneously believe that the government should bend over backwards to protect and preserve someone's "right" to turn a profit on an outmoded endeavor that simply can't keep up with industrial farming... up to and including doling out big subsidies in order to keep them afloat.

"Unions are the debbil, 'cause ain't nobody entitled to a job... but the federal gubmint should hand country folk a giant pile of money to keep 'em in bidness and then git the hell out of the way 'cause the family is sacred and them folks got a right to their way of life."
 
2012-04-25 01:36:21 PM  

James!: BMulligan: Dancin_In_Anson: And that would make you a total dumbass.

I'm sorry - I thought that your whole point ITT was that parents have to have the right to be total dumbasses about their kids' health and safety, otherwise we were all being crushed under the boot of oppression. Turns out, you really didn't have a point at all. Imagine my surprise.

DIA doesn't see a need for the government to protect minor children from the sometimes fatal stupidity of their parents.



Well them kids don't belong to the gubmint... They's the property of their parents to do with as they please. You libs and your war on property rights!
 
2012-04-25 01:38:21 PM  

BMulligan: UCFRoadWarrior: First they grab all the raw milk

Bullshiat right out of the gate. There is no federal restriction on selling raw milk, and 28 states allow it.


There isn't? There isn't an FDA rule that prohibits the interstate sale of raw milk?

You would think that the FDA would know that.

5. Is it legal to sell raw milk for human consumption?

Not in interstate commerce. Pasteurization of milk was adopted decades ago as a basic public health measure to kill dangerous bacteria and largely eliminate the risk of getting sick from one of the most important staples of the American diet. In 1987, the FDA issued a regulation prohibiting the interstate sale of raw milk. However, some states do permit the intrastate (within the borders) sale of raw milk intended for human consumption.
 
2012-04-25 01:38:51 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: First they grab all the raw milk...now they tell farm kids they cannot work.

Isn't Globalist Socialism fun!

More of the push to eliminate the family farm.

All you supporting this move...hope you will enjoy paying twice as much for food.

Most of the corn grown in this country uses youth labor to de-tassle each stalk of corn. It's a job that is so much easier for kids to do than adults....and the kids do it better (and more cost-effectively) than illegal aliens

But hey, knowing liberals and Obama...this sounds like another Illegal Alien work program



Like watching a gorilla with a Rubik's Cube.
 
2012-04-25 01:40:11 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: So in other words, you want the government to control not your actions, just the actions of others. You betcha.


The government passing laws does not control my actions, it simply implements consequences when my actions are considered by the state to run counter to the interests of the state and its people.

You seem to think laws are like mind control while I tend to think of them as a fence or warning sign that one is about to move beyond what the state and people consider acceptable behavior. The decision regarding whether to comply with a law or not, always rests with me.
 
2012-04-25 01:41:47 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: this sounds like another Illegal Alien work program


Can we address the fact that a good number of the minor children who are working on farms are the children of illegal workers?
 
2012-04-25 01:42:20 PM  

technicolor-misfit: "Unions are the debbil, 'cause ain't nobody entitled to a job... but the federal gubmint should hand country folk a giant pile of money to keep 'em in bidness and then git the hell out of the way 'cause the family is sacred and them folks got a right to their way of life."


Save your idiotic strawmen for people who actually think those things. Just because I see benefit in children working on their relatives or family friend's farms doesn't mean I support union busting, flat taxes or any of the other crap republicans support. You might not understand this but a person can hold views that deviate from the party line at times.
 
2012-04-25 01:43:02 PM  

James!: UCFRoadWarrior: this sounds like another Illegal Alien work program

Can we address the fact that a good number of the minor children who are working on farms are the children of illegal workers?


No.
 
2012-04-25 01:45:27 PM  
Really? Green light to sell drugs? Do you even know how many kids have lost their chance at education due to petty arrests for drug charges, sub-farkingretard?
 
2012-04-25 01:45:35 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: There isn't? There isn't an FDA rule that prohibits the interstate sale of raw milk?


Regulating the sale of raw milk across state lines isn't "grabbing all the raw milk". It means that if you want raw milk you need to get it from sources in your state. You know, constitutional regulation of interstate commerce while allowing for states to decide whether raw milk is fit for consumption.
 
2012-04-25 01:46:41 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: The_Six_Fingered_Man: There isn't? There isn't an FDA rule that prohibits the interstate sale of raw milk?

Regulating the sale of raw milk across state lines isn't "grabbing all the raw milk". It means that if you want raw milk you need to get it from sources in your state. You know, constitutional regulation of interstate commerce while allowing for states to decide whether raw milk is fit for consumption.


Never said it was. Just countering the bare assertion that "there is no Federal restriction on the sale of raw milk," when there very clearly is one.
 
2012-04-25 01:47:51 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Why are these kids allowed to work all day on farms anyway? Shouldn't they be in school?


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They actually manage to do both. The farmer friends I know get the kids up at 5 a.m., the kids do a couple hours of chores, go to school, then come home and do more work.

 
2012-04-25 01:48:05 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: There isn't an FDA rule that prohibits the interstate sale of raw milk?


I apologize; I misspoke. I meant to say there was no general federal restriction on selling raw milk - the states are still free to allow it in intrastate commerce, as your quote acknowledges. While one might look at the ban on interstate sales as problematic (I don't, but reasonable people may disagree), the fact remains that there is no general outright ban on the sale of raw milk in those states which allow it.
 
2012-04-25 01:49:03 PM  

BMulligan: The_Six_Fingered_Man: There isn't an FDA rule that prohibits the interstate sale of raw milk?

I apologize; I misspoke. I meant to say there was no general federal restriction on selling raw milk - the states are still free to allow it in intrastate commerce, as your quote acknowledges. While one might look at the ban on interstate sales as problematic (I don't, but reasonable people may disagree), the fact remains that there is no general outright ban on the sale of raw milk in those states which allow it.


No problem. Apologies if I came across as crass. This is the politics tab, so I felt compelled.
 
2012-04-25 01:49:14 PM  

sigdiamond2000: James!: UCFRoadWarrior: this sounds like another Illegal Alien work program

Can we address the fact that a good number of the minor children who are working on farms are the children of illegal workers?

No.


Okay... thanks.
 
2012-04-25 01:49:43 PM  

Headso: technicolor-misfit: "Unions are the debbil, 'cause ain't nobody entitled to a job... but the federal gubmint should hand country folk a giant pile of money to keep 'em in bidness and then git the hell out of the way 'cause the family is sacred and them folks got a right to their way of life."

Save your idiotic strawmen for people who actually think those things. Just because I see benefit in children working on their relatives or family friend's farms doesn't mean I support union busting, flat taxes or any of the other crap republicans support. You might not understand this but a person can hold views that deviate from the party line at times.


you crossed the line, dude.
 
2012-04-25 01:51:05 PM  

technicolor-misfit: I like how the people who have no sympathy whatsoever for factory workers who are made redundant by machinery because free market, simultaneously believe that the government should bend over backwards to protect and preserve someone's "right" to turn a profit on an outmoded endeavor that simply can't keep up with industrial farming... up to and including doling out big subsidies in order to keep them afloat.


There's an arguement to be made that the nation's food supply, as a critical resource, should not be controlled by a small number of entities but the time to prevent the concentration of that resource into a small number of business interests passed a long time ago and we failed to act. At this point we need to either accept that ConAgra, Monsanto and the other big players control our food supply or start breaking them up.
 
2012-04-25 02:04:31 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: technicolor-misfit: I like how the people who have no sympathy whatsoever for factory workers who are made redundant by machinery because free market, simultaneously believe that the government should bend over backwards to protect and preserve someone's "right" to turn a profit on an outmoded endeavor that simply can't keep up with industrial farming... up to and including doling out big subsidies in order to keep them afloat.

There's an arguement to be made that the nation's food supply, as a critical resource, should not be controlled by a small number of entities but the time to prevent the concentration of that resource into a small number of business interests passed a long time ago and we failed to act. At this point we need to either accept that ConAgra, Monsanto and the other big players control our food supply or start breaking them up.



Oh, I'm all for breaking them up. I have no problem a certain level of government intervention to prevent abuses or the establishment of monopolies/trusts or to untilt tables that have been tilted to an extreme that is unhealthy to society in general and detrimental to the greater good.

I'm just needling the folks with who say "government motors" out of one side of their mouth and "the family farm is sacred!!!" out of the other.
 
2012-04-25 02:09:27 PM  
As someone who died in a grain elevator explosion when I was 15, I'm getting a kick out of all these replies.
 
2012-04-25 02:16:43 PM  

apoptotic: Is the US government currently allowing children to ride their bikes on federal highways?


Um... No, as far as I'm aware the US government does not currently allow children to ride their bikes on federal highways. It is, however, legal to ride your bicycle along any road as long as it is not a controlled access roadway, if I'm not mistaken. I'm not really sure what this has to do with my comment, though. What point were you trying to make?
 
2012-04-25 02:22:47 PM  
WTF?!!

What kind of busy-body buerocratic nonsense is THIS?

Who the fark asked for this kind of gevernment intrusion?

Don't we have more important things to be jacking around with?

Or is it part of the plan?

Q1 of election year - pick an avoidable and unecessary fight with religious people
Q2 of election year - pick an avoidable and unecessary fight with rural people and farmers

What's next?
 
2012-04-25 02:23:17 PM  

SenorPez: As someone who died in a grain elevator explosion when I was 15, I'm getting a kick out of all these replies.


Oh thank god, I was worried they wouldn't have the internet in hell.

I assume hell because you're on fark.
 
2012-04-25 02:25:06 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: WTF?!!

What kind of busy-body buerocratic nonsense is THIS?

Who the fark asked for this kind of gevernment intrusion?

Don't we have more important things to be jacking around with?

Or is it part of the plan?

Q1 of election year - pick an avoidable and unecessary fight with religious people
Q2 of election year - pick an avoidable and unecessary fight with rural people and farmers

What's next?


I encourage your efforts to bring the pro-child labor argument to the forefront this election year.
 
2012-04-25 02:36:32 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: WTF?!!

What kind of busy-body buerocratic nonsense is THIS?

Who the fark asked for this kind of gevernment intrusion?

Don't we have more important things to be jacking around with?

Or is it part of the plan?

Q1 of election year - pick an avoidable and unecessary fight with religious people
Q2 of election year - pick an avoidable and unecessary fight with rural people and farmers

What's next?


Oh yeah, Obama's gonna lose a lot of the child-labor vote with this.

/you dumbass.
 
2012-04-25 02:40:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Oh yeah, Obama's gonna lose a lot of the child-labor vote with this.


James!: I encourage your efforts to bring the pro-child labor argument to the forefront this election year.


Is that GENUINELY how you see this? As a valiant effort by the noble federal government to release children from an oppressive child-labor servitude?

You REALLY see it as a for child labor v. against child labor issue?
 
2012-04-25 02:40:28 PM  

James!: DIA doesn't see a need for the government to protect minor children from the sometimes fatal stupidity of their parents.


The herd needs culling*.

At what point would you say that you have given up enough parental decision making for your children? It's an honest question. Sure you'd be a farking moron if you put your 10-year old working at the oil refinery for Pokemon cards but this is nothing like my older brother in law who from the ages off 14 - 18 worked in the Lorenzo (Tx) Co-Op gin at harvest time for spending money or the friends of my younger brother in law who came out to work on our vineyard where we used quite a bit of heavy equipment. At what point will you say "Wait a minute! This is a little much!"?

*
 
2012-04-25 02:43:54 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: James!: DIA doesn't see a need for the government to protect minor children from the sometimes fatal stupidity of their parents.

The herd needs culling*.

At what point would you say that you have given up enough parental decision making for your children? It's an honest question. Sure you'd be a farking moron if you put your 10-year old working at the oil refinery for Pokemon cards but this is nothing like my older brother in law who from the ages off 14 - 18 worked in the Lorenzo (Tx) Co-Op gin at harvest time for spending money or the friends of my younger brother in law who came out to work on our vineyard where we used quite a bit of heavy equipment. At what point will you say "Wait a minute! This is a little much!"?

*


It's a broad statement and realistically there ought to be some wiggle room but I have no problem with an "If you're old enough to drive a car you're old enough to drive a thresher" rule.
 
2012-04-25 02:47:08 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: cameroncrazy1984: Oh yeah, Obama's gonna lose a lot of the child-labor vote with this.

James!: I encourage your efforts to bring the pro-child labor argument to the forefront this election year.

Is that GENUINELY how you see this? As a valiant effort by the noble federal government to release children from an oppressive child-labor servitude?

You REALLY see it as a for child labor v. against child labor issue?


It is exactly that. This rule prohibits children under the age of 16 from being employed in certain dangerous positions involved in farm work. Just like they're prohibited in textile factories and coal mines and pretty much every other industry where a significant health risk is involved. Parents can still exploit the shiat out of their own children because this is America. But you wouldn't be able to hire a 13 year old to work at your grain silo.
 
2012-04-25 02:50:39 PM  

James!: It is exactly that. This rule prohibits children under the age of 16 from being employed in certain dangerous positions involved in farm work. Just like they're prohibited in textile factories and coal mines and pretty much every other industry where a significant health risk is involved. Parents can still exploit the shiat out of their own children because this is America. But you wouldn't be able to hire a 13 year old to work at your grain silo.


Wow.

You know how I know you don't know anything about working on a farm?

Anywho.FTFA:
""They have said the number of injuries are higher for children than in non-ag industries," she said. But everyone in agriculture, Boswell insisted, "makes sure youth work in tasks that are age-appropriate."

The safety training requirements strike many in agriculture as particularly strange, given an injury rate among young people that is already falling rapidly.

According to a United States Department of Agriculture study, farm accidents among youth fell nearly 40 percent between 2001 and 2009, to 7.2 injuries per 1,000 farms.
"
 
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