LectertheChef: odinsposse: yert: I have yet to see one concrete idea this guy has. tell me one specific thing he want to do to create jobs. Why doesn't he talk about what he will do, specifically, instead of point to obama and say "I'm not doing that".

If you go to his site all of the issue statements basically say "Obama's doing it wrong so I'll do it right."

Eventually he'll have to offer something substantive, if he wants to have any chance of actually winning. So far Romney's just a blank slate, with nothing to say. No plan, no ideas, no substance.

That's kind of his strategy, though. Mitt Romney can be all things to all people! He is a perfectly normal human worm-baby and is just like you.

LectertheChef: A Dark Evil Omen: LectertheChef: odinsposse: yert: I have yet to see one concrete idea this guy has. tell me one specific thing he want to do to create jobs. Why doesn't he talk about what he will do, specifically, instead of point to obama and say "I'm not doing that".

If you go to his site all of the issue statements basically say "Obama's doing it wrong so I'll do it right."

Eventually he'll have to offer something substantive, if he wants to have any chance of actually winning. So far Romney's just a blank slate, with nothing to say. No plan, no ideas, no substance.

That's kind of his strategy, though. Mitt Romney can be all things to all people! He is a perfectly normal human worm-baby and is just like you.

It's a losing strategy, and one that's easily attacked. Not that I mind, I'm looking forward to drinking the tears of conservatives this November.

Well, sure. I'm just laughing that his strategy is "have no positions, twist and turn in every possible way to avoid having to actually stand for something, convince the hu-mans that I am largely indistinguishable from them" and that this is actually supposed to win the presidency.

Then I start crying when I realize he actually has, however small, a chance of being right.

tenpoundsofcheese: Zerochance: Hey, making money is a wonderful thing.

But inheriting most of it

He is worth over 250M.
You think he inherited most of that?
Seriously? Is that what you believe?

Did you read how much he made at a company that he founded?
And how he gave his inheritance to a school to name something after his father?

Now tell us how his status is all self-made as well.

// hint: it isn't, and no amount of French missionary work, Bain Capital fire-sales, election wins, or dog stories can change that

I wasn't aware anyone was calling for an end to "making money." Gosh I must need to read more news.

tenpoundsofcheese: Dr Dreidel: tenpoundsofcheese: Zerochance: Hey, making money is a wonderful thing.

But inheriting most of it

He is worth over 250M.
You think he inherited most of that?
Seriously? Is that what you believe?

Did you read how much he made at a company that he founded?
And how he gave his inheritance to a school to name something after his father?

Now tell us how his status is all self-made as well.

Never said he didn't have advantages.
but the vast majority of his money came from his work.

And the vast majority of his work prospects came from his status as Golden Boy (son of a prominent political figure - and I could stop there - son of a wealthy businessman, son of a high-up in the Mormon hierarchy, son of a cabinet member).

Are you really arguing that Mitt Romney hit a triple?

Ned Stark: I would also like to remind liberals here crowing about Romney being a flip-flopping paderer that Obama did, in fact, sell out his church to become president.

"Do you agree with every single thing your former pastor says?"
"No, I disagree some time."
"SELLOUT!"

Jim_Callahan: Lord_Baull: "A better America" = "same Bush policies that destroyed the economy in 2007"

/And the Fox News sheeple are buying it.

Eh? The worst you can say about Bush's policy was that it didn't help. The 2007 crash is a ball that started rolling back in the mid-90s or early 80s, depending how you look at it. And it's not like the more general cause (speculation bubble bursting and taking down connected industries with it) is a new thing, either, we've even had it happen several time with literally the same exact cause (housing speculation) seven or eight times now, both nationally and in various states.

I can say a hell of a lot worse than that. The laisse-faire mindset of the securities regulators Bush appointed made them almost blind to the coming crisis when there still woul dhave been time to correct it. Then the ham-handed intervention to save bear-Stearns, and their refusal to follow suit when Lehman's got into trouble set off the default and liquidity crisises that damn near destroyed the economy.

What you need to understand was that the root of this Crisis was NOT the speculation in real estate, as you say that's happened time and again. The real problem was that the RMBS's provided a way for the large, systemically important financial instituions to invest in this risky and highly speculative market, despite securities rules that rquire them to hold only AAA-rated bonds. Because Walll street was able to sucessfully bully the ratings agencies into slapping AAA all over bonds the sellers KNEW were garbage (and even took trading positions that would pay off only if they failed), a whole lot of risk accumlated in places where they is not supposed to be ANY.

Ned Stark: I would also like to remind liberals here crowing about Romney being a flip-flopping paderer that Obama did, in fact, sell out his church to become president.

Oh... my lord. This is really, really dumb. I'm so sorry.