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2012-04-25 12:52:13 AM  
Teacher here.

The dad seems to base his entire diatribe on the quote, only intelligible on playback, "I see dad after mom?" In real time, coming from a special needs kid this could sound like anything. "You want to use the bathroom?" "You want to leave the room?"

This dad didn't start out being mad at the school or the teachers. He started out going after his ex-wife. When his attacks on her didn't work, he went after the school. Was the teacher unprofessional when she talked about drinking wine? Possibly. But to hear dad talk about it, she's an alcoholic who keeps wine in her desk.

I guarantee this audio tape has already gone before the school board, who ABHOR adverse publicity. They couldn't find anything worth ruining a teacher's career over, so then dad went to the court of public opinion. He got Subby a greenlight, but will lose his case in an actual court.

Don't believe me? try listening only to the audio excerpts, without looking at the subtitles or Dad's commentary. Then tell me what Junior was actually saying.
 
2012-04-25 12:54:17 AM  
What pisses me off is that I have friends in my school that are in special education and they are wonderful and the most compassionate and have the patience of a damn saint. I've seen them get hit and punched and called every name in the book and have never lost their cool. These assholes give great teachers a horrible name. How awful for them to abuse their power to those children that are in need of the most help. I'm just so disgusted. Fark.
 
2012-04-25 12:54:47 AM  
This just in. People who never leave the school environment have major emotional and social development issues and make piss poor teachers.

That misfit? That corporate dismissal case with the gruff manner and the red flags? They can teach your snowflakes not only the what and where, but the why. And why is the whole tin of biscuits.

Your kids will respect you once you learn to a): Cut the sh*t, love them and tell them so without condition and, b): stop dropping them off in a poorly ventilated sh*thole with angry, childish, accredited but useless sadists and, c): Promise yourself that regardless of their damage level from your sh*tty society, sketchy DNA or pre-formed, dime store bad ideas, that you will listen and care and make rules.

You're not infallible, your piss smells like piss and until you can clasp your kids to your bosom and give a flying f*ck without reservations, there will never be a magic, perfect, approved drop zone to leave them at, from which they will emerge a Rhodes Scholar for whom life is an endless series of options.
 
2012-04-25 12:54:49 AM  

Mavent: Here's the email I sent the guy after first reading the story


OK, see now, category_five? THIS is what 10/10 trolling looks like. Perhaps a shade too obvious, but so wonderfully offensive to basic human decency most people will overlook it in their rush to take the bait. You should catch quite a few fish with that.
 
2012-04-25 12:57:52 AM  

Mavent: I see this finally made Fark. Here's the email I sent the guy after first reading the story:

After having read (and listened to) your article regarding your son....


Very succinct and accurate. Shame the torch-and-pitchfork crowd won't take the time to read it.
 
2012-04-25 12:57:58 AM  
I bet you the dad had the poor kid vaccinated as well.
 
2012-04-25 12:58:59 AM  
Obviously those biatches are in it solely for the paycheck, and DON'T have the temperament or professionalism to do the job properly.

There is a special place for those that would make the life of a kid miserable....

www.writerscafe.org
 
2012-04-25 12:59:57 AM  
This child is an angel sent down from heaven as a babe in a manger. The father, a Christ like figure dying for the sins of humanity. May his tears heal the gaping wound inhumanity upon man has wreaked on our collective bosom. I pray that the sky turns slate and wrath be wrought upon these demons. Vengeance. Wrath. Destruction.
 
2012-04-25 01:01:46 AM  

mc_madness: This child is an angel sent down from heaven as a babe in a manger. The father, a Christ like figure dying for the sins of humanity. May his tears heal the gaping wound inhumanity upon man has wreaked on our collective bosom. I pray that the sky turns slate and wrath be wrought upon these demons. Vengeance. Wrath. Destruction.


Heavy.
 
2012-04-25 01:02:07 AM  
Heh if this happend to my kids my first call would be to a defense attorney, because my wife would immediately beat the holy crap out of those women.
 
2012-04-25 01:02:39 AM  

Hagenhatesyouall: Obviously those biatches are in it solely for the paycheck, and DON'T have the temperament or professionalism to do the job properly.


Ever since they invented ADD, there are no more bad teachers.

/Until someone records them.
 
2012-04-25 01:03:35 AM  
Link

/would go full retard on the teacher in question.
 
2012-04-25 01:04:10 AM  
I feel like a dick for saying this, but my biggest takeaway is that the dad is really farking annoying.
 
2012-04-25 01:05:47 AM  

D-Liver: I feel like a dick for saying this, but my biggest takeaway is that the dad is really farking annoying.


No doubt. Verbose to boot...regardless of disposition though, they should leave namecalling and taunting to the students.
 
2012-04-25 01:06:09 AM  
american teachers are shiat? shocking...
 
2012-04-25 01:06:19 AM  

category_five: So I watch the video, it opens up with 5 minutes of commentary of what a perfect angel his son is, 20 seconds of teacher talking about drinking wine, another 5 minutes of angry parent commentary.

Finally the 20 minute video gets to the relevant 30 seconds. The kid screams at the teacher at the top of his lungs. After getting my ear drums pierced by it, I'm sympathizing with the teacher rather than the parent. Yeah she probably should have picked a line of work she's more suited for, but that kid sounds like an unholy terror.

I'm trying really hard to give a damn, but it's just not coming. These people expect free baby sitting from the state for their special needs kid who is very likely never going to contribute anything to society. It's great that NJ at least segregates special needs kids from the normal classes, I know some states insist on placing them with normal students - But really they shouldn't be in school at all. They should be in a managed care facility, and the parents should be paying for it, not the state.


10/10

So good that I gave it a rating not even knowing if it was trolling. Nicely done.
 
2012-04-25 01:06:52 AM  

dbubes: C-C-C-COMBO


Wow. This was amazing.
 
2012-04-25 01:08:11 AM  

dave2198:4/10
Not trolling.

orclover:I know your trolling
Aint even trollin'.

orclover: Do you have any idea how much that cost?

Clearly the kid isn't learning anything in school. Why keep up the charade? Oh that's right. Daddy demands free daycare.

orclover: I mean I know you don't have a clue

Right back 'atcha bud.

orclover: I suppose, the view does get pretty clear from the basement, eh?

Well it helps if you take your blindfold off.

Mavent: Amazing quantities of win

After reading your post I feel I've gained a new perspective on a subject usually presented in a one sided manner. Thank you good sir.
 
2012-04-25 01:10:51 AM  
To add on - I have seen what someone ^^ was talking about. The "Oh my child would never!" I've seen students removed from my friend's SPED class for going on a full-blown tantrum and calling everyone motherfarkers and kicking and punching (kindergarten girl). The parent picked them up and laughingly said "Ooooh, it's just one of those days but I don't see why I had to come in." Seriously. I need to go back and listen to the audio. I do think the dad is a drama-queen; not because he recorded the teachers but because of the commentary. I will go back and listen to the other stuff people have mentioned. However, I do believe the teacher is a piss-poor excuse for someone that is in the profession. If you lose your patience like that, you have no business working with special-needs children.
 
2012-04-25 01:11:21 AM  
I'm having a hard time judging this.

First most of his 'subtitles' don't match the audio I hear.
For real. Listen to the voices with your eyes closed not looking at the subtitle. You'll hear sentences wholly unrelated to what the subtitles say.
For example, the part where he says the teacher calls the kid a bastard. It comes totally out of the blue from the 20 seconds of conversation we have before it and it's barely hard. For 20 seconds the teacher seems to be having an engaging discussion about what the sculptures the kid saw and than suddenly we are suppose to believe the sentence we can barely make out is calling the kid a bastard?

Another part takes place after the kid goes subsonic in a scream.

Now did the teachers have conversations that were better left for break time? Yes.

But the father is acting like a kid with autism never has behavior problems and he's a perfect angel unless the teacher does something to the kid first. Unless the kid has got some type of autism that doesn't exist, it's simply not true. People with autism can swing from perfect angel to unholy terror in a heartbeat.
 
2012-04-25 01:14:06 AM  

lazyguineapig33: american teachers are shiat? shocking...


You want to come work with me for a day and tell me what a shiatty job I do? I work in the Title I program. I think these teachers are garbage but until you've worked one day at my job, don't generalize my profession.
 
2012-04-25 01:15:32 AM  

Mavent: I see this finally made Fark. Here's the email I sent the guy after first reading the story:

After having read (and listened to) your article regarding your son, I thought you might be interested in a teacher's perspective on your story. Then again, perhaps not- you seem like a singularly self-interested individual, so it's possible that you're uninterested in any viewpoint other than your own. Yet still, after having dealt with SPED children for years, I feel the need to speak up.

First off, let me merely point out that in today's world, "autism" has become little more than a word parents use to justify their own need for attention. Either your child is autistic, in which case it's hard to believe your stories of what a bright, happy, well-adjusted child he is, or he's not. And if he's not, then you're a lousy parent, because autism isn't a label to lightly be slapped on a child, just because you think it's cool and trendy. It's a medical condition, typified by anti-social behavior and diminished learning capacity.

Oh yes, I know. You're likely one of the modern breed of parents that thinks Autism is a super-power. But see, therein lies the problem. You want all the attention of and drama that goes with being fawned over as you insist that your child is "autistic", but you don't want any of the responsibility of acknowledging that real Autism isn't fun, it isn't cute, and it's not an excuse for you to blame your kid's teachers for his limitations.

Now, imagine you're a teacher, and you have an autistic kid in your class that's being a problem. And the parent, one of these smug, uniformed, self-delusional types, keeps insisting that HIS kid is afflicted with MAGIC autism, the kind that turns the afflicted kid into an absolute angel with zero behavioral problems. Now imagine that you've done your job and reported these problems to the parent. But instead of addressing the issue, the parent behaves like a lunatic. Imagine that the guy goes as far as to illegally record your conversations, then is such an obsessive sociopath that he spends his time combing through hours of recordings of you, in some bizarre quest to destroy your life.

How would you feel, were you such a teacher?

See, here's how it looks to me, as a disinterested observer: Your son probably isn't autistic, he's just the victim of a parent who spends every waking moment trying to figure out how to cause problems for those around him. And if you were to think about it, you'd probably realize that only a paranoid drama-queen would believe that a teacher would make up completely fictitious accounts of your supposedly autistic child's definitely autistic behavior. See, a normal, sane person would wonder why you were so surprised to learn that your son, who you claim to be emotionally and intellectually disabled, was behaving in a way consistent with autism.

But hey, I guess now I'd better start watching my back, lest you bug my car or start petitions to have me fired.

===================================================================== = ================

Now, back to this thread. Given that the Internet is filled to the pustulant brim with this chick:

...I expect nothing but douchebags insisting that THEY THEMSELVES are autistic, and blah blah blah, ad repeato, ad nauseum, forever, amen. But here's the deal: there's a difference between being autistic and being an asshole. It's sad that so few of you are aware of it. Being a teacher is a hard enough job without some Munchhausen-by-proxy having lunatic wiring his kid so that he can try and get you fired by showing- GASP -that teachers are human beings.


Shiatty douchebag teachers support shiatty douchebag teachers. What a surprise.
 
2012-04-25 01:16:38 AM  

Gunther: OK, see now, category_five? THIS is what 10/10 trolling looks like.


Hey psst, allow me to let you in on a little secret. Some people hold opinions that differ from yours. Refusing to believe it makes you look small minded.
 
2012-04-25 01:22:13 AM  
At least the kid won't get measles or polio.
 
2012-04-25 01:22:22 AM  

mongbiohazard: It's perverse, and the fact that the school has not been burned to the ground by the community it's in - and not so much as closed down - makes me doubt humanity's worth just a little bit more.


Americans think a third party is a wasted vote, so they stay home. This surprises me not at all.
 
2012-04-25 01:23:01 AM  

pueblonative: phule: M O O N.. that spells "You're about to lose your job."

you do realize the difference between autistic and retarded, don't you?


potato?
 
2012-04-25 01:27:00 AM  

JesusJuice: Shiatty douchebag teachers support shiatty douchebag teachers. What a surprise.


The teacher in question seems to have been essentially paid to water vegetables. Having a normal conversation with her coworker while doing so doesn't make her the devil. What's the worst that could happen, the kid starts emulating the teacher and holds candid conversations about his weekend? Judging by incoherent babbling the kid displays in the recording it sounds like it would be an improvement.

Yes screaming shut up might have been inappropriate. However it may not have been. Normal modes of behavior don't necessarily apply to special needs people. Like I said previously however, it sounds like she may be more happy in a different line of work.
 
2012-04-25 01:27:49 AM  

Kali-Yuga: Followup: Dad arrested for illegal wiretapping.


You mean eavesdropping. Wiretapping is the interception of an electric or electronic transmission.

And it's legal to record a conversation for which you and all other parties are physically present and taking part in, without informing other parties. "You" in this case being the boy, who was physically present.

Not legal - listening to or recording a conversation between third parties without informing them. Such as putting a recording device in a room, then leaving and listening in remotely. (eavesdropping)

Not Legal - listening to or recording an electrically or electronically transmitted conversation without informing all parties. (wiretapping)
 
2012-04-25 01:28:09 AM  
This dad deserves the hero tag for his restraint here. he doesn't even get upset when one of the teachers involved is reassigned instead of fired. Calls it "some HR issue" (and he's probably right).
 
2012-04-25 01:28:59 AM  
This is no Fats McGee and the Retard Three. This is just farking messed up.
 
2012-04-25 01:29:46 AM  

Kimothy: Glad that teacher was fired. Sad the rest of them weren't. I hate it when teachers are so horrible they give the rest of us a bad name.

//Deserves more than firing, hopefully the public humiliation generating from this will affect them.


The teacher wasn't fired. An aide was fired, the teacher and another aide were reassigned.
 
2012-04-25 01:31:20 AM  

category_five: JesusJuice: Shiatty douchebag teachers support shiatty douchebag teachers. What a surprise.

The teacher in question seems to have been essentially paid to water vegetables. Having a normal conversation with her coworker while doing so doesn't make her the devil. What's the worst that could happen, the kid starts emulating the teacher and holds candid conversations about his weekend? Judging by incoherent babbling the kid displays in the recording it sounds like it would be an improvement.

Yes screaming shut up might have been inappropriate. However it may not have been. Normal modes of behavior don't necessarily apply to special needs people. Like I said previously however, it sounds like she may be more happy in a different line of work.


Poop on a plate.
 
2012-04-25 01:34:12 AM  
Um, it looks like little Aiken got his Autism from Dad, hence the step by step over analysis of the tape.

NTTAWT, just pointing it out. I think teachers in general are saints and are way over worked, underpaid, and under appreciated. You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do.

....except for the chicks in this story. I hope they get fired and end up flipping burgers for a living.

/Has two autistic nephews, an autistic roomate, and was engaged to an autistic man
//Yes, it appears I'm an autism magnet
 
2012-04-25 01:36:18 AM  

StormChaser: Um, it looks like little Aiken got his Autism from Dad, hence the step by step over analysis of the tape.

NTTAWT, just pointing it out. I think teachers in general are saints and are way over worked, underpaid, and under appreciated. You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do.

....except for the chicks in this story. I hope they get fired and end up flipping burgers for a living.

/Has two autistic nephews, an autistic roomate, and was engaged to an autistic man
//Yes, it appears I'm an autism magnet


I'm pretty sure they have a vaccine for that.
 
2012-04-25 01:37:34 AM  

StormChaser: Um, it looks like little Aiken got his Autism from Dad, hence the step by step over analysis of the tape.

NTTAWT, just pointing it out. I think teachers in general are saints and are way over worked, underpaid, and under appreciated. You couldn't pay me enough to do what they do.

....except for the chicks in this story. I hope they get fired and end up flipping burgers for a living.

/Has two autistic nephews, an autistic roomate, and was engaged to an autistic man
//Yes, it appears I'm an autism magnet


Wow, that really is a funny image running around in my head. What are you, an MMR vaccine?!
 
2012-04-25 01:38:40 AM  
.....Where to begin on this one....

Ok, as someone who was bullied by a teacher during his Primary School years, including attempts by school administrators to have me diagnosed within the Autism Spectrum just because I had learned by age 6 how to keep myself entertained with toys and an highly active imagination, and not always need a bazillion people to interact with, I can understand where the parent is coming from. Teachers are expected to at the very least behave professionally and NOT take things out on students, even if they're not fans of the difficult assignments.

HOWEVER, after hearing the audio, and trying to block out the outside commentary, I have to wonder how much of this was maliciousness on the parts of the teachers and how much of this was preventable stress that if the School District had taken the time to find people willing and QUALIFIED to handle special needs would not be the case right now?
 
2012-04-25 01:39:30 AM  
I haven't read the thread yet, maybe someone said this already but every classroom should have cameras. For the protection of both the students and the teachers.
 
2012-04-25 01:39:45 AM  
The kid went to school wired? No wonder the teachers were pissed.

www.20somethingawesome.com

/hot
 
2012-04-25 01:39:48 AM  

category_five: So I watch the video, it opens up with 5 minutes of commentary of what a perfect angel his son is, 20 seconds of teacher talking about drinking wine, another 5 minutes of angry parent commentary.

Finally the 20 minute video gets to the relevant 30 seconds. The kid screams at the teacher at the top of his lungs. After getting my ear drums pierced by it, I'm sympathizing with the teacher rather than the parent. Yeah she probably should have picked a line of work she's more suited for, but that kid sounds like an unholy terror.

I'm trying really hard to give a damn, but it's just not coming. These people expect free baby sitting from the state for their special needs kid who is very likely never going to contribute anything to society. It's great that NJ at least segregates special needs kids from the normal classes, I know some states insist on placing them with normal students - But really they shouldn't be in school at all. They should be in a managed care facility, and the parents should be paying for it, not the state.


0% chance you have children. Or if you do have children, 100% chance you're divorced and the kids live with the other parent.
 
2012-04-25 01:42:20 AM  
There's obvious media bias here since they used that old picture of him harmlessly playing with a dog.

This is what the kid looks like today.

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-25 01:43:30 AM  

D-Wolf2k2: .....Where to begin on this one....

Ok, as someone who was bullied by a teacher during his Primary School years, including attempts by school administrators to have me diagnosed within the Autism Spectrum just because I had learned by age 6 how to keep myself entertained with toys and an highly active imagination, and not always need a bazillion people to interact with, I can understand where the parent is coming from. Teachers are expected to at the very least behave professionally and NOT take things out on students, even if they're not fans of the difficult assignments.

HOWEVER, after hearing the audio, and trying to block out the outside commentary, I have to wonder how much of this was maliciousness on the parts of the teachers and how much of this was preventable stress that if the School District had taken the time to find people willing and QUALIFIED to handle special needs would not be the case right now?


A cousin of mine works as a Special Ed teacher. She has several aides to help. From what she tells us, a couple of the aides over the years haven't been that great or professional. But you what? What do we honestly expect? Aides make less than teachers and have to deal with these kids. As bad as normal kids are in school, these kids are worse to work with. The low pay and high stress don't exactly attract alot of grade A candidates to work with these kids.
 
2012-04-25 01:46:49 AM  
He SHOULD sue their asses off. Totally unacceptable, PERIOD.
My Bro has a severely autistic son. Get's 6 hours a day of one-on-one from a specialist paid for from the state (WI).
WI wanted to cancel that, and doom him to a life I could not imagine. He had to get divorced, and is doing his best
to wean the 2 kids off of McDonalds (of which his ex wifey seems to think is the most nutritionist food on the planet
and she should know, now at 300 lbs from a nice 130 when they married).

I'm not sue happy, but DAMN you DO NOT treat kids, especially autistic/other challenged issues that way.
They deserve it, and should find another occupation after they are fired. AND be banned from public service/COPS
last thing we need is more sadistic people in those positions.

/they can become politicians
//right up their alley
///would fit in perfectly
 
2012-04-25 01:46:50 AM  
Teachers.
web.tiscali.it
That's the joke horror.
 
Ant
2012-04-25 01:48:40 AM  

category_five: These people expect free baby sitting from the state for their special needs kid who is very likely never going to contribute anything to society.


What's this "contribute to society" crap? Most people never contribute anything to society. So what?
 
2012-04-25 01:56:21 AM  
this thread is full of special needs.

get on the short bus, losers!
 
2012-04-25 02:01:22 AM  
Best special needs kids ever.

/very happy these wonderful children will be coming to Paradise
 
2012-04-25 02:03:10 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Best special needs kids ever.

/very happy these wonderful children will be coming to Paradise


LOL wut?
 
2012-04-25 02:11:13 AM  
Well.

I expected barely justafiable sanctimony. I thought Dad was a tiny bit melodramitic.

Then I looked at my sleeping son - who is entirely typical in every way - and realized I would likely be far angrier, and react much uglier for far less than what these teachers did. My daughter would probably rip the eyes out of anyone who directed such ugliness her way - a 30 minute chair throwing meltdown? HA! She'd go full on Pinky the Shelter Cat on them. For an hour. My son is the biggest cupcake ever, he's so sweet and gets his feelings hurt so easily... I'm about to beat my laptop up just for making me consider the possibility that someone would be mean to him.

Anyway - Thanks Aikrain's (sp?) for giving me another opportunity to talk about how much I love my kiddos and I hope the teachers don't respond and you find a good lawyer and SUE THE TEACHING CERTIFICATES right out of the "teachers".

I love my baby boy and my super awesome ninja daughter.
 
2012-04-25 02:12:26 AM  

mahuika: This is super sad to see.

On an aside, is the autistic kid in with general education? If so, that shouldn't be the case. I know it has nothing to do with what the teachers are doing wrong, but I wonder why that is, unless he's extremely high functioning.


No. Part of the tragedy was that this is an isolated special needs class.
 
2012-04-25 02:17:20 AM  
As someone who has worked with disabled kids for 10+ years, these women are idiots and have no business in that field. You don't call a kid a bastard, you don't mock him for crying, and you don't talk about drinking in front of children. On the other side of the coin, dad is an obnoxious asshat. Make the recording, take it to the school, but a long online diatribe of self-important bs is not called for. This just makes me feel even worse for the poor kid with the awful name. He's surrounded by idiots.
 
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