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2012-04-25 09:47:12 AM
Anytime a law is introduced that the people who are pushing it through have to say, "Well, technically we could do (insert bad thing here), but trust us, we would never do something like that", said law is a BAD IDEA.
 
2012-04-25 09:47:14 AM

Headso: Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.

And you shouldn't feel bad about it either, the assholes that suddenly care about attacks on these politicians wives after 4 years of trashing Michelle Obama are hypocritical. It also sets the narrative and puts them on the defensive trying to explain what marie antoinette was actually saying.


I care about attacks hitting a valid target. There is plenty to complain about with the ROMenemies, but doing it for the wrong reason, or just plain getting it wrong serves THEM, not us.
 
2012-04-25 09:48:25 AM

s2s2s2: Serious Black: And Hilary Rosen stated, poorly, that it's very hard for a woman who has never had to work a full-time job or two at the same time as raising multiple kids to know what that kind of life is like.

In response to Mitt relaying that Ann was relaying the concerns of working women. Posen is a fncking idiot.

Besides, we know women that run a household have no economic concerns, amirite?!


Sure they have economic concerns. I'll freely admit they do. But in the same way that a working dad probably has no idea what life is like for his stay-at-home wife, she probably has no idea what life is like for her husband either. Living in a bubble makes it hard for even those people with empathy oozing out of their pores to connect with others.
 
2012-04-25 09:48:49 AM

Loucifer: What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?


Win
 
2012-04-25 09:49:18 AM

Serious Black: Sorry, the "you" was supposed to refer to Rep. Matthew Hill.


Damn. I was actually hoping there was a party of some sort out there that came close to my political beliefs.
 
2012-04-25 09:49:43 AM
Is it sad that I was elated to see "attorneys general" used correctly?
 
2012-04-25 09:51:19 AM
Since the Republicans took control of the house and many state governments based on economic issues, their laser-like focus on jobs and growing the economy has been truly impressive. I'll surely vote for them again this November!
 
2012-04-25 09:52:24 AM

Serious Black: Sure they have economic concerns. I'll freely admit they do. But in the same way that a working dad probably has no idea what life is like for his stay-at-home wife, she probably has no idea what life is like for her husband either. Living in a bubble makes it hard for even those people with empathy oozing out of their pores to connect with others


Well that is the problem of the person incapable of empathy, isn't it.
 
2012-04-25 09:53:16 AM
An armed fetus is a polite fetus.
 
2012-04-25 09:53:25 AM
I cite Nebraska as a good example of what happens when the pro lifers and the anti-immigrant people's heads explode. Pass a bill that allows illegal immigrant women to get state health benefits for their fetus, have the anti-immigrant governor veto it, and then have the pro-lifers join up with the liberals to override it. It really happened, and that's what the Democrats pretty much have to do to crater this whole runaround, "personhood amendment" bullsh*t.

Give:
- Expectant mothers tax credits
- Unborn fetuses full state healthcare benefits
- Unborn fetuses SCHIP coverage
- Free regular ultrasounds during gestation
- And give all of the the above to expectant women who are illegal immigrants carrying future anchor babies

Heads will explode.
 
2012-04-25 09:54:07 AM

s2s2s2: karnal: So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?

Liberals are waging a war on the feminine, not on women. They want to make all mankind man-like.

/ducks like a bich


bich is latin for generosity!
 
2012-04-25 09:55:07 AM

s2s2s2: Headso: Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.

And you shouldn't feel bad about it either, the assholes that suddenly care about attacks on these politicians wives after 4 years of trashing Michelle Obama are hypocritical. It also sets the narrative and puts them on the defensive trying to explain what marie antoinette was actually saying.

I care about attacks hitting a valid target. There is plenty to complain about with the ROMenemies, but doing it for the wrong reason, or just plain getting it wrong serves THEM, not us.


I disagree or the republicans would not be able to constantly set the narrative saying shiat like "death panels". Using her statement to further hammer home the point that they are out of touch and would be bad for poor and middle class people doesn't help them, it puts them and their supporters on the defensive.
 
2012-04-25 09:55:25 AM

sprawl15: Serious Black: Sorry, the "you" was supposed to refer to Rep. Matthew Hill.

Damn. I was actually hoping there was a party of some sort out there that came close to my political beliefs.


You could always try Fidesz in Hungary. I hear they're pretty progressive.

/snort
 
2012-04-25 09:56:54 AM

Headso: I disagree or the republicans would not be able to constantly set the narrative saying shiat like "death panels". Using her statement to further hammer home the point that they are out of touch and would be bad for poor and middle class people doesn't help them, it puts them and their supporters on the defensive.


Live your standard, not theirs. Otherwise, you are a phony.
 
2012-04-25 09:58:05 AM

CapnBlues: bich is latin for generosity!


I am a generous bich!
 
2012-04-25 09:59:34 AM

s2s2s2: But let's keep the criticism honest and constructive, if we want a better world.


i1089.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-25 09:59:42 AM
If a fetus is a person can a father sue for custody when it's in the womb?
 
2012-04-25 09:59:57 AM

s2s2s2: Headso: I disagree or the republicans would not be able to constantly set the narrative saying shiat like "death panels". Using her statement to further hammer home the point that they are out of touch and would be bad for poor and middle class people doesn't help them, it puts them and their supporters on the defensive.

Live your standard, not theirs. Otherwise, you are a phony.


That's all well on good to say as tax policy moves flatter and flatter and social services get cut and theocratic policies are enacted but liberals will still have the high ground in debate, yay!
 
2012-04-25 10:01:27 AM

s2s2s2: Serious Black: Sure they have economic concerns. I'll freely admit they do. But in the same way that a working dad probably has no idea what life is like for his stay-at-home wife, she probably has no idea what life is like for her husband either. Living in a bubble makes it hard for even those people with empathy oozing out of their pores to connect with others

Well that is the problem of the person incapable of empathy, isn't it.


Actually, I don't think it's an issue with empathy at all. I think it's literally that without having been in that exact situation yourself, it is impossible to know what it is like.

Example: about 80% of people who don't presently have cancer say they want to be in charge of choosing their treatment should they get cancer, but only about 20% of people who actually have cancer or have had it in the past say they want to be in charge of choosing their treatment.

More comedic example: watch the South Park episode "With Apologies to Jesse Jackson" and listen to the exchange between Stan and Token at the end of the episode about how Stan will never understand the feeling of a black person hearing a white person use the n-word against him.
 
2012-04-25 10:02:33 AM

2wolves: s2s2s2: But let's keep the criticism honest and constructive, if we want a better world.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x524]


i decided to abandon academia when i was giving a talk at a conference and said "this is a way we can use our research to make the world a better place!" and everyone in the room laughed derisively. the notion of using research for anything other than self-promotion was absurd to them.
 
2012-04-25 10:03:59 AM

s2s2s2: Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.

So long as it's a Republitard on the receiving end. I don't like the idea of Romoremormon(e)y as president. But let's keep the criticism honest and constructive, if we want a better world.


No. I'm equally catty with everyone. It's based on mood and not person I'm conversing with. He's a spectacularly easy traget and I believe in feeding the trolls when I'm at work.

My criticism was honest and constructive. The Romney's hold both the position that motherhood is the most important job while espousing that stay-at-home moms aren't feeling the value of hard work. Mitt Romney argued that stay-at-home moms need the "dignity of work".
 
2012-04-25 10:06:09 AM

Headso: Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.

And you shouldn't feel bad about it either, the assholes that suddenly care about attacks on these politicians wives after 4 years of trashing Michelle Obama are hypocritical. It also sets the narrative and puts them on the defensive trying to explain what marie antoinette was actually saying.


Thank you!
 
2012-04-25 10:06:54 AM
FTFA: "There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.


So, as I understand it, they needed this law because the currently don't have one for people being killed or assaulted.
 
2012-04-25 10:07:08 AM

Bontesla: s2s2s2: Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.

So long as it's a Republitard on the receiving end. I don't like the idea of Romoremormon(e)y as president. But let's keep the criticism honest and constructive, if we want a better world.

No. I'm equally catty with everyone. It's based on mood and not person I'm conversing with. He's a spectacularly easy traget and I believe in feeding the trolls when I'm at work.

My criticism was honest and constructive. The Romney's hold both the position that motherhood is the most important job while espousing that stay-at-home moms aren't feeling the value of hard work. Mitt Romney argued that stay-at-home moms need the "dignity of work".


Here's how you square that circle. Mitt Romney got so much dignity from his work that he was able to legally give some of his dignity to his stay-at-home wife through his marriage contract, and she got enough from this gift that she didn't need to get any more dignity of her own by entering the work force.
 
2012-04-25 10:07:22 AM

CapnBlues: 2wolves: s2s2s2: But let's keep the criticism honest and constructive, if we want a better world.

[i1089.photobucket.com image 640x524]

i decided to abandon academia when i was giving a talk at a conference and said "this is a way we can use our research to make the world a better place!" and everyone in the room laughed derisively. the notion of using research for anything other than self-promotion was absurd to them.


No argument from me. I got out of NGOs when all I heard from two consecutive waves of noobs was how it would look good on their c.v.s when they ran for office.
 
2012-04-25 10:13:39 AM

Bontesla: Mitt Romney argued that stay-at-home moms need the "dignity of work".


To compensate for the indignity of dependence on others.

Bontesla: No. I'm equally catty with everyone.


Carry on.

Serious Black: Example: about 80% of people who don't presently have cancer say they want to be in charge of choosing their treatment should they get cancer, but only about 20% of people who actually have cancer or have had it in the past say they want to be in charge of choosing their treatment.

More comedic example: watch the South Park episode "With Apologies to Jesse Jackson" and listen to the exchange between Stan and Token at the end of the episode about how Stan will never understand the feeling of a black person hearing a white person use the n-word against him.


Soooo...it is the problem of people without empathy. Thanks for confirming.

Serious Black: Here's how you square that circle. Mitt Romney got so much dignity from his work that he was able to legally give some of his dignity to his stay-at-home wife through his marriage contract, and she got enough from this gift that she didn't need to get any more dignity of her own by entering the work force.


Pretty much.
 
2012-04-25 10:14:17 AM
Can't wait until the lulz when Tennessee starts to try and prosecute fertility clinics.
 
2012-04-25 10:15:44 AM

Serious Black: You could always try Fidesz in Hungary. I hear they're pretty progressive.


Orbán's a dick.
 
2012-04-25 10:16:27 AM

Bontesla: My criticism was honest and constructive. The Romney's hold both the position that motherhood is the most important job while espousing that stay-at-home moms aren't feeling the value of hard work. Mitt Romney argued that stay-at-home moms need the "dignity of work".


Mrs. Romney understand the hardship of stay-at-home moms. I mean have you ever tried to fill the tanks of two Cadillacs AT THE SAME TIME?? It ain't easy my friends.
 
2012-04-25 10:17:02 AM
Bontesla

s2s2s2: Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.

So long as it's a Republitard on the receiving end. I don't like the idea of Romoremormon(e)y as president. But let's keep the criticism honest and constructive, if we want a better world.

No. I'm equally catty with everyone. It's based on mood and not person I'm conversing with. He's a spectacularly easy traget and I believe in feeding the trolls when I'm at work.

My criticism was honest and constructive. The Romney's hold both the position that motherhood is the most important job while espousing that stay-at-home moms aren't feeling the value of hard work. Mitt Romney argued that stay-at-home moms need the "dignity of work".


Where does he argue this? There is a big difference in wanting unemployed parents on wellfare to get back into the workforce and the stay at home mom who voluntarily 'works' the homefront while her husband (or significant other) goes to work.
 
2012-04-25 10:17:27 AM

PastryChef: And the use of such laws to prosecute women who fall down and miscarry has happened already, in Iowa, where a woman concerned that a fall had harmed her fetus was arrested and jailed on manslaughter charges because the doctors thought she had fallen down those stairs on purpose.


citation needed
 
2012-04-25 10:20:29 AM
So does this mean no more morning after pill?
 
2012-04-25 10:22:59 AM

sprawl15: Serious Black: You could always try Fidesz in Hungary. I hear they're pretty progressive.

Orbán's a dick.


Did you see the interview he gave to Lally Weymouth earlier this month? I thought it was absolutely hilarious. Seeing him try to defend his party only writing constitutional laws when they had amended the previous constitution several times, then completely rewrote the constitution, and then amended that new constitution before it was even in power gave me uncontrollable giggles.
 
2012-04-25 10:23:11 AM
"There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wat?
 
2012-04-25 10:23:17 AM

themindiswatching: What's that one page that has stories about "pro-lifers" secretly getting abortions?

The fiction page. The "pro-lifers secretly getting abortions" thing is overwhelmingly a fantasy.

if it was really about protecting the innocent, there wouldn't be any exemptions/i>

It's not about protecting the innocent, it's about protecting the right of women to choose to have a child.
 
2012-04-25 10:25:08 AM

meanmutton: The fiction page. The "pro-lifers secretly getting abortions" thing is overwhelmingly a fantasy.


Citation needed.

meanmutton: It's not about protecting the innocent, it's about protecting the right of women to choose to have a child.


Wat?
 
2012-04-25 10:25:43 AM
1) Fetal Personhood law
2) Stand Your Ground law
3) Abortion suddenly legal under any circumstance so long as the woman says she felt threatened
 
2012-04-25 10:26:15 AM

Fart_Machine: Can't wait until the lulz when Tennessee starts to try and prosecute fertility clinics.


Know how I know you didn't read the article?
 
2012-04-25 10:26:55 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: 1) Fetal Personhood law
2) Stand Your Ground law
3) Abortion suddenly legal under any circumstance so long as the woman says she felt threatened


4) Profit!
 
2012-04-25 10:28:50 AM

Fart_Machine: meanmutton: The fiction page. The "pro-lifers secretly getting abortions" thing is overwhelmingly a fantasy.

Citation needed.

meanmutton: It's not about protecting the innocent, it's about protecting the right of women to choose to have a child.

Wat?


1) Yes, a citation alleging that there is a wealth of pro-lifers secretly getting abortions is needed.
2) The law explicitly states that the only time that a murder can be charged is if a pregnant woman who wants to carry her child to term is attacked in such a way that her wanted child is killed.
 
2012-04-25 10:28:52 AM

s2s2s2:
Soooo...it is the problem of people without empathy. Thanks for confirming.


i think there's an important distinction between lack of the capacity of empathy versus the lack of instinct for empathy. Most individuals have the capacity of empathy -- if properly motivated to step into another's shoes, they gladly do. What many people lack is the instinct to do it automatically. I think it's a key distinction between modern conservatism and liberalism. Most conservative politicians and voters -- particularly those who identify as libertarians -- are fully capable of empathy, as evidenced by Dick Cheney's support for gay marriage, because he understands how his daughter feels and can project that onto people like his daughter. What falls apart for them is when they think about the way their voting behavior affects others, they don't have that automatic "whoah, what if I were poor and lost my job?" reaction. Liberals seem to have that automatic "ooooh, yeah, there but for bad luck go I" reaction, and thus they vote for social welfare programs.

Just my two cents as a neuroscientist.
 
2012-04-25 10:29:57 AM

meanmutton: Fart_Machine: Can't wait until the lulz when Tennessee starts to try and prosecute fertility clinics.

Know how I know you didn't read the article?


I'm totally sure this won't lead to a slippery slope in expanded legislation. Honest! You can trust these guys!
 
2012-04-25 10:29:57 AM

Fart_Machine: "There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wat?


You've never worked in a woman's shelter, have you? It's not an uncommon occurrence for men to beat their pregnant wives/girlfriends in order to try to induce a miscarriage.
 
2012-04-25 10:30:25 AM

95BV5: PastryChef: And the use of such laws to prosecute women who fall down and miscarry has happened already, in Iowa, where a woman concerned that a fall had harmed her fetus was arrested and jailed on manslaughter charges because the doctors thought she had fallen down those stairs on purpose.

citation needed


Google "Christine Taylor" Iowa
 
2012-04-25 10:31:38 AM

Malivon: People who aren't having protected sex, who aren't married, and are just playing around are going to make that child's life a living hell, I've seen it happen. I live in Tennessee. I genuinely feel sorry for any child that has to live in that hell.

Parents who are thinking of having a child should consider one thing, "Can they grow up in a happy, loving home?" If you can't answer this with a straight face or answer it honestly, don't have a child. Please.

I'm so sick of irresponsible people having a child because it was a mistake (any child that isn't planned, is a mistake, I'm sorry if that offends someone). I feel sorry more for the child, I don't feel sorry for the parents. The child will have to grow up in a home that simply cannot support it.

Mistakes can be fixed if the home that they grow up in sees love, happiness, and other facets of life that the child should experience to make their childhood free from the experience that some children have to go through because the parents aren't loving, caring, and thoughtful individuals and are just seeking some form of outlet to get attention.

/protection, wear it - otherwise, don't fark and end up with a kid when you can't support it.
//end rant
///Why yes, I don't believe in some sky god - I believe in being responsible in the actions I take, bearing any consequence that may be the result of those actions, and making adjustments to ensure that the consequences are mitigated somehow.
////Also, love your children - let them grow up in a happy, loving place that isn't filled with a large amount uncertainty.


I love ignorant bigots who don't know the first thing about raising a child.
Unplanned does not mean unwanted. How about you go back to thumping your bible.
 
2012-04-25 10:31:42 AM

Fart_Machine: meanmutton: Fart_Machine: Can't wait until the lulz when Tennessee starts to try and prosecute fertility clinics.

Know how I know you didn't read the article?

I'm totally sure this won't lead to a slippery slope in expanded legislation. Honest! You can trust these guys!


So your argument is "let's fight this perfectly reasonable law which protects punishes the physical abuse of women causing them to lose a wanted pregnancy because at some point there might be an unreasonable law that has a very loose connection to this one?"
 
2012-04-25 10:33:04 AM

meanmutton: 2) The law explicitly states that the only time that a murder can be charged is if a pregnant woman who wants to carry her child to term is attacked in such a way that her wanted child is killed.


now an interesting what-if here -- suppose some guy killed a woman who was pregnant. The state claims it's double homicide, but the defense claims that the child was going to be aborted. How does anyone know the true intentions of the mother about whether she was going to carry it to term?
 
2012-04-25 10:33:07 AM

karnal: There is a big difference in wanting unemployed parents on wellfare to get back into the workforce and the stay at home mom who voluntarily 'works' the homefront while her husband (or significant other) goes to work.


If you get financial support from society your work raising children has no dignity, if you get financial support from your husband your work raising children has dignity.
 
2012-04-25 10:33:20 AM
So we have a law that says when a woman who is, say, 5 months pregnant with a wanted baby is assaulted by her husband or boyfriend and loses the baby we can now lock him up for a long time and somehow that's a bad thing?
 
2012-04-25 10:34:33 AM
CapnBlues

s2s2s2:
Soooo...it is the problem of people without empathy. Thanks for confirming.

i think there's an important distinction between lack of the capacity of empathy versus the lack of instinct for empathy. Most individuals have the capacity of empathy -- if properly motivated to step into another's shoes, they gladly do. What many people lack is the instinct to do it automatically. I think it's a key distinction between modern conservatism and liberalism. Most conservative politicians and voters -- particularly those who identify as libertarians -- are fully capable of empathy, as evidenced by Dick Cheney's support for gay marriage, because he understands how his daughter feels and can project that onto people like his daughter. What falls apart for them is when they think about the way their voting behavior affects others, they don't have that automatic "whoah, what if I were poor and lost my job?" reaction. Liberals seem to have that automatic "ooooh, yeah, there but for bad luck go I" reaction, and thus they vote for social welfare programs.

Just my two cents as a neuroscientist.


Kind of in a nutshell - but it does make sense.
 
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