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2012-04-25 09:08:31 AM  
Hates when you waste the shake:
bluraymedia.ign.com
 
2012-04-25 09:10:37 AM  
Is this a response to that mega-tornado of homosexuality and tidal wave of abortions that was threatening to rampage Middle America?

God I hope so. Seriously, it's time to cut away the stupid parts of America and give those backwards hicks their own country to fark up.
 
2012-04-25 09:13:17 AM  
Bontesla

Jake Havechek: Bontesla: Jake Havechek: Before women have their period, they must report for a vaginal probe to be sure no embryo has been implanted.

I think I have a right to stand my ground until my rights are stripped. Then I will become my husband's property so technically he can stand his ground. Am I doing it right?

No, you have no rights, you never will have rights. Before 18 and/or marriage, your father or any other older male relative has rights over what you do and what you do with your body. Upon marriage these rights transfer to your husband.

What if I wear a fake mustache?


Sure you can, but if you are a stay at home mom then you are a lesser person than the woman that goes out and works......this according to our current administration.

Because according to the National Organization for Women, if you are a stay at home mom who is raising children, keeping up with the demands of budget, school, shopping, bill paying, etc. - you don't have the kind of life experience and or imagination to "really understand what most American families are going through right now."


So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?
 
2012-04-25 09:14:07 AM  

themindiswatching: What's that one page that has stories about "pro-lifers" secretly getting abortions?

/if it was really about protecting the innocent, there wouldn't be any exemptions


Google "only moral abortion is my abortion". You get the original article written by an abortion provider and commentaries.
 
2012-04-25 09:14:13 AM  

karnal: Bontesla

Jake Havechek: Bontesla: Jake Havechek: Before women have their period, they must report for a vaginal probe to be sure no embryo has been implanted.

I think I have a right to stand my ground until my rights are stripped. Then I will become my husband's property so technically he can stand his ground. Am I doing it right?

No, you have no rights, you never will have rights. Before 18 and/or marriage, your father or any other older male relative has rights over what you do and what you do with your body. Upon marriage these rights transfer to your husband.

What if I wear a fake mustache?

Sure you can, but if you are a stay at home mom then you are a lesser person than the woman that goes out and works......this according to our current administration.

Because according to the National Organization for Women, if you are a stay at home mom who is raising children, keeping up with the demands of budget, school, shopping, bill paying, etc. - you don't have the kind of life experience and or imagination to "really understand what most American families are going through right now."


So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?


Except we're not talking about stay-at-home moms, you farking threadjacker.
 
2012-04-25 09:15:01 AM  

TheJoe03: FatalDischarge: When will this religion nonsense stop?

I honestly think they see the writing on the wall and realize their ideology wont win out in the long term, so they are trying to push as much as they can right now since this is their best shot at it. These wackos aren't that big of a part of Gen X or Y, so when the old folks die off so should their craziness.


That's what I thought more than 20 years ago. Sorry, but it's going to take more than waiting for the old folks to die to keep the bigots and theocrats from sinking our society.
 
2012-04-25 09:16:43 AM  
FTFA: Rep. Matthew Hill, R-Jonesborough, said Democrats were "playing the 'what if' game" he knows of no unwarranted "horrible instances" of prosecution in other states with similar laws covering embryos.

Accusing the Democratic Party of playing a "what if" game when you just got done with a Supreme Court case where the main attack against requiring people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty on your taxes was a parade of horribles including a burial insurance mandate, a cell phone mandate, and the well-known broccoli mandate? Sounds like a textbook case of this:

people.cohums.ohio-state.edu
 
2012-04-25 09:17:32 AM  
FTFA: Rep. Matthew Hill, R-Jonesborough, said Democrats were "playing the 'what if' game"

Yes. They are. And they should.

There's a reason laws are 50 pages of legalese and define everything down to the word "the". It's because law enforcement, prosecutors, and defense attorneys are all the same in one regard: you give them an inch and they'll take a light year. If you're writing a law, and you're not playing "what if", you're not doing your farking job.

The fact that your law is vague enough to allow for all these circumstances the Democrats are bringing up makes it a bad law. Period.
 
2012-04-25 09:18:18 AM  
Jake Havechek

karnal: Bontesla

Jake Havechek: Bontesla: Jake Havechek: Before women have their period, they must report for a vaginal probe to be sure no embryo has been implanted.

I think I have a right to stand my ground until my rights are stripped. Then I will become my husband's property so technically he can stand his ground. Am I doing it right?

No, you have no rights, you never will have rights. Before 18 and/or marriage, your father or any other older male relative has rights over what you do and what you do with your body. Upon marriage these rights transfer to your husband.

What if I wear a fake mustache?

Sure you can, but if you are a stay at home mom then you are a lesser person than the woman that goes out and works......this according to our current administration.

Because according to the National Organization for Women, if you are a stay at home mom who is raising children, keeping up with the demands of budget, school, shopping, bill paying, etc. - you don't have the kind of life experience and or imagination to "really understand what most American families are going through right now."


So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?

Except we're not talking about stay-at-home moms, you farking threadjacker.




It turned into a Women's Rights thread when you told Bontesla "No, you have no rights."

You are Dim.
 
2012-04-25 09:19:31 AM  

karnal: So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?


Liberals are waging a war on the feminine, not on women. They want to make all mankind man-like.

/ducks like a bich
 
2012-04-25 09:20:03 AM  

karnal: Bontesla

karnal: kid_icarus

This law is meant to placate the legions of dumb, conservative "value-voters" in this state, nothing more. That is unless I missed something and we're experiencing a crime wave of fetus abductions by crazed, barren women.


Of course you missed something.....but we all come to expect that.
The law is to make sure that someone who shoots and kills a pregnant lady gets charged for two counts of murders, not just one......Democrats seem to think unborn babies have no rights.*


*but they think the burglar that breaks into your house and kills your family is a victim of society.

Citations?

Really? You need proof that Liberals think the criminals are victims because society has failed to provide them with a good education or a good job?

Here is an example of a grandfather being arrested for holding burglar at gunpoint - in the great liberal state of New Hampshire.

RightHere


Way to bury the lead. Dennis Fleming went hunting for the suspected burglar. He didn't stumble upon him and then defended himself or property. He hunted for a half and hour.

Fleming was charged for reckless conduct because he put the neighborhood at risk and not because he detained the burglar.

By the way - the charges were dropped against Fleming and the burglar was also charged with a crime.

Try again ( by the way, this is what happens when your source is a blog linking to Faux News).
 
2012-04-25 09:20:24 AM  

Serious Black: Accusing the Democratic Party of playing a "what if" game when you just got done with a Supreme Court case where the main attack against requiring people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty on your taxes was a parade of horribles including a burial insurance mandate, a cell phone mandate, and the well-known broccoli mandate? Sounds like a textbook case of this:


The "what if" game has to be played, and just like pretty much everything else in politics, each party only gets mad when a standard is levied against themselves.

"WE THINK LIFE BEGINS AND CONCEPTION!"
"So...you think every miscarriage should be investigated as an accidental death?"
"WELL, NO."
 
2012-04-25 09:20:38 AM  

karnal: It turned into a Women's Rights thread when


...the topic has a huge impact on women's rights.
 
2012-04-25 09:21:33 AM  
Suck it (out), libs!
 
2012-04-25 09:23:30 AM  
The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men:
It is true - women who are already in abusive relationships tend to experience a greater intensity of abuse if/when they get pregnant and in the worst cases this leads to murder.

However bills like this are more a form of concern trolling - you don't see the supporters of these bills fighting for tougher domestic violence laws, funding for womens shelters or public education to address domestic violence.



THIS right here. And couldn't come from a more appropriately-named farker.
 
2012-04-25 09:23:33 AM  

karnal: Bontesla

Jake Havechek: Bontesla: Jake Havechek: Before women have their period, they must report for a vaginal probe to be sure no embryo has been implanted.

I think I have a right to stand my ground until my rights are stripped. Then I will become my husband's property so technically he can stand his ground. Am I doing it right?

No, you have no rights, you never will have rights. Before 18 and/or marriage, your father or any other older male relative has rights over what you do and what you do with your body. Upon marriage these rights transfer to your husband.

What if I wear a fake mustache?

Sure you can, but if you are a stay at home mom then you are a lesser person than the woman that goes out and works......this according to our current administration.

Because according to the National Organization for Women, if you are a stay at home mom who is raising children, keeping up with the demands of budget, school, shopping, bill paying, etc. - you don't have the kind of life experience and or imagination to "really understand what most American families are going through right now."


So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?


Citation?

Because Obama actually defended Ann Romney.

By the way, Ann Romney said that she loved the lack of choice some women have when they're single parents forced to both work and raise a family. It's the lack of choice she loves.

And Mitt? He is the one who said stay at home mothers need to know the value of real work when he was gov of MA.
 
2012-04-25 09:24:28 AM  

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: Rep. Matthew Hill, R-Jonesborough, said Democrats were "playing the 'what if' game"

Yes. They are. And they should.

There's a reason laws are 50 pages of legalese and define everything down to the word "the". It's because law enforcement, prosecutors, and defense attorneys are all the same in one regard: you give them an inch and they'll take a light year. If you're writing a law, and you're not playing "what if", you're not doing your farking job.

The fact that your law is vague enough to allow for all these circumstances the Democrats are bringing up makes it a bad law. Period.


sprawl15: Serious Black: Accusing the Democratic Party of playing a "what if" game when you just got done with a Supreme Court case where the main attack against requiring people to buy health insurance or pay a penalty on your taxes was a parade of horribles including a burial insurance mandate, a cell phone mandate, and the well-known broccoli mandate? Sounds like a textbook case of this:

The "what if" game has to be played, and just like pretty much everything else in politics, each party only gets mad when a standard is levied against themselves.

"WE THINK LIFE BEGINS AND CONCEPTION!"
"So...you think every miscarriage should be investigated as an accidental death?"
"WELL, NO."


Oh, I know they need to play the game. I'm merely commenting that complaining about a tactic when you and your compatriots engage in it is ludicrously hypocritical. At least have the stones to admit you did the same thing in the past and will continue to do the same thing in the future.
 
2012-04-25 09:24:38 AM  

Jake Havechek: karnal: Bontesla

Jake Havechek: Bontesla: Jake Havechek: Before women have their period, they must report for a vaginal probe to be sure no embryo has been implanted.

I think I have a right to stand my ground until my rights are stripped. Then I will become my husband's property so technically he can stand his ground. Am I doing it right?

No, you have no rights, you never will have rights. Before 18 and/or marriage, your father or any other older male relative has rights over what you do and what you do with your body. Upon marriage these rights transfer to your husband.

What if I wear a fake mustache?

Sure you can, but if you are a stay at home mom then you are a lesser person than the woman that goes out and works......this according to our current administration.

Because according to the National Organization for Women, if you are a stay at home mom who is raising children, keeping up with the demands of budget, school, shopping, bill paying, etc. - you don't have the kind of life experience and or imagination to "really understand what most American families are going through right now."


So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?

Except we're not talking about stay-at-home moms, you farking threadjacker.


And even if we were, he would lose.
 
2012-04-25 09:25:28 AM  

Crabs_Can_Polevault: Bontesla: Drtfa: could the biological father file a criminal complaint against the biological mother for an otherwise legal abortion?

I think that'll be covered in a future "that biatch better have my baby" amendment.


There have been, in some states, an attempt to make it against the law for an unwed mother to place her baby up for adoption unless the birth father is notified and signs a consent form.
 
2012-04-25 09:25:46 AM  
God orders abortions and sterilizations of unfaithful wives in the Bible.

Numbers 5

Look it up.
 
2012-04-25 09:26:02 AM  

HeartBurnKid: FTFA: Rep. Matthew Hill, R-Jonesborough, said Democrats were "playing the 'what if' game"

Yes. They are. And they should.

There's a reason laws are 50 pages of legalese and define everything down to the word "the". It's because law enforcement, prosecutors, and defense attorneys are all the same in one regard: you give them an inch and they'll take a light year. If you're writing a law, and you're not playing "what if", you're not doing your farking job.

The fact that your law is vague enough to allow for all these circumstances the Democrats are bringing up makes it a bad law. Period.


An unconsitutional law under the Void for Vagueness doctrine.
 
2012-04-25 09:26:10 AM  

Bontesla: Try again ( by the way, this is what happens when your source is a blog linking to Faux News).


Heh, nice.
 
2012-04-25 09:26:50 AM  

Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: There have been cases of this, but they are very, very rare. This law is insane and I hope it gets thrown out very quickly.


Usually it's a >35 week pregnant woman who is attacked by an infertile person with Society-Induced Baby Delirium who wants that baby and will usually do an unauthorized c-section
 
2012-04-25 09:27:55 AM  

RabidRythmDivas: God orders abortions and sterilizations of unfaithful wives in the Bible.

Numbers 5

Look it up.


He also didn't consider babies younger than one month old to be worth the effort of counting them in the census. I don't remember exactly how many times they used some variant of the phrase "one month old and older," but it was in the double digits IIRC. That's far too many to be accidental.
 
2012-04-25 09:28:01 AM  

Bontesla: By the way, Ann Romney said that she loved the lack of choice some women have when they're single parents forced to both work and raise a family. It's the lack of choice she loves.


No she didn't. She stated, poorly, that she loves that we care about the people that don't have a choice. Stop being a disingenuous, catty person.
 
2012-04-25 09:28:24 AM  

karnal: Jake Havechek

karnal: Bontesla

Jake Havechek: Bontesla: Jake Havechek: Before women have their period, they must report for a vaginal probe to be sure no embryo has been implanted.

I think I have a right to stand my ground until my rights are stripped. Then I will become my husband's property so technically he can stand his ground. Am I doing it right?

No, you have no rights, you never will have rights. Before 18 and/or marriage, your father or any other older male relative has rights over what you do and what you do with your body. Upon marriage these rights transfer to your husband.

What if I wear a fake mustache?

Sure you can, but if you are a stay at home mom then you are a lesser person than the woman that goes out and works......this according to our current administration.

Because according to the National Organization for Women, if you are a stay at home mom who is raising children, keeping up with the demands of budget, school, shopping, bill paying, etc. - you don't have the kind of life experience and or imagination to "really understand what most American families are going through right now."


So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?

Except we're not talking about stay-at-home moms, you farking threadjacker.



It turned into a Women's Rights thread when you told Bontesla "No, you have no rights."

You are Dim.


Context is something you struggle with. My post was just as sensational (which was the point).
 
2012-04-25 09:29:06 AM  

karnal: You are Dim.


i.ytimg.com

/You might want to come up with a different username, by the way.
//"Karnal" would be better suited to a Juggalo persona than a Republican one.
 
2012-04-25 09:30:05 AM  

s2s2s2: Bontesla: By the way, Ann Romney said that she loved the lack of choice some women have when they're single parents forced to both work and raise a family. It's the lack of choice she loves.

No she didn't. She stated, poorly, that she loves that we care about the people that don't have a choice. Stop being a disingenuous, catty person.


And Hilary Rosen stated, poorly, that it's very hard for a woman who has never had to work a full-time job or two at the same time as raising multiple kids to know what that kind of life is like.
 
2012-04-25 09:30:11 AM  

s2s2s2: karnal: So you tell me exactly who is waging a war on women?

Liberals are waging a war on the feminine, not on women. They want to make all mankind man-like.

/ducks like a bich


Explain all of the new skin care lines targeting men. If anything, we want girly-men.

Not me. . . I like mine unshaven and primal.
 
2012-04-25 09:31:28 AM  

s2s2s2: Bontesla: By the way, Ann Romney said that she loved the lack of choice some women have when they're single parents forced to both work and raise a family. It's the lack of choice she loves.

No she didn't. She stated, poorly, that she loves that we care about the people that don't have a choice. Stop being a disingenuous, catty person.


Yeah it was more of a Freudian slip
 
2012-04-25 09:31:32 AM  

CasperImproved: LadyHawke: Darth Macho: Evans said that is not the case. He noted the measure explicitly excludes any harm to an embryo or fetus cause by the pregnant woman herself.

Sure. This year it says that. What about next year when you make another 'revision' to punish pregnant women whose lifestyle causes a miscarriage? Like smoking, or drinking, or working outside of the home. As we know, studies have shown that married women suffer fewer pregnancies than single mothers...

Glad I'm not a woman. I'd hate to know the law considers something inside me to have legal rights independent of, and possibly superior to, my own.

Think they'll use this law to go after the person who provided her the abortion? Technically the woman doesn't cause the harm when it takes place.

Technically maybe not, but she'd still be part of a conspiracy to commit murder.


Considering she sought out and payed for the procedure one could argue that the mother not only participated in but instigated the conspiracy to commit murder and hired a contract killer.

s2s2s2: Liberals are waging a war on the feminine, not on women. They want to make all mankind man-like.


Are you stupid? Is that your problem?
 
2012-04-25 09:32:10 AM  

RabidRythmDivas: God orders abortions and sterilizations of unfaithful wives in the Bible.

Numbers 5

Look it up.


Also found in that chapter:


20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband"- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse-"may the LORD cause you to become a curse[d] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries."

"'Then the woman is to say, "Amen. So be it."

Miscarriages as Justice
 
2012-04-25 09:32:55 AM  

Headso: Suck it (out), libs!


So . . . Death by drowning or improper burial for the sperm. . .
 
2012-04-25 09:32:56 AM  

Serious Black: I'm merely commenting that complaining about a tactic when you and your compatriots engage in it is ludicrously hypocritical. At least have the stones to admit you did the same thing in the past and will continue to do the same thing in the future.


I didn't realize I had compatriots. Could you clarify? This isn't one of those things where you're assuming anyone with any kind of criticism of the Democrats/Republicans must be a Republican/Democrat, is it?
 
2012-04-25 09:33:19 AM  

der Glitzkrieg: themindiswatching: What's that one page that has stories about "pro-lifers" secretly getting abortions?

/if it was really about protecting the innocent, there wouldn't be any exemptions

The only moral abortion is my abortion (new window)


Good article. So, self-righteous, shrieking harpes tend to be hypocrites? Who'da thunk?
 
2012-04-25 09:34:02 AM  

Serious Black: And Hilary Rosen stated, poorly, that it's very hard for a woman who has never had to work a full-time job or two at the same time as raising multiple kids to know what that kind of life is like.


In response to Mitt relaying that Ann was relaying the concerns of working women. Posen is a fncking idiot.

Besides, we know women that run a household have no economic concerns, amirite?!
 
2012-04-25 09:34:17 AM  
harpies, even
 
2012-04-25 09:34:22 AM  
Ladies, ladies, ladies...

Listen Up!

This "law" they are trying to enact, and really, this whole debate; choice, life, legal, constitutional...

It can be settled, here and now...

The reason men (but very few women) keep enacting these laws is really very simple...

For years, nay, generations, NAY, Millennia! Men have been oppressed sexually by their female partners.

THAT'S RIGHT!! YOU DIDN'T MISREAD THAT!

Women have been sexually oppressing us males for THOUSANDS of years. And for thousands of years we have retaliated with using religion, or government in a retaliation of this oppression.

The truth is, the only reason women get pregnant is because they WANT to.

Think I'm crazy? You might, until I tell you about the secret conspiracy by women, not so much to GET pregnant, but because they would rather get pregnant than to liberate men sexually...

That's right... they would rather put years of burden and responsiility that they don't even want, than to actually please men sexually.

Oh, sure, we orgasm, but that's not really hard to accomplish considering men and do that with a cotton sock...

No, what i am talking about is an oppression denied to men since before recorded sexual history...

But hope is not lost... There have been a few brave men and fewer, more open minded and equal opportunistic women, who have come out, exposed in the open, to give hope to men, and show women that it's OKAY for a woman to receive a man's seed upon the face. Those blessed few have picked up the banner of true sexual liberation and face the legions of women who still deny men this most sacred and sexaully holy sacrement.

The debate of abortion, of "life" and "choice" would VANISH, Roe vs Wade would all but become archaic, if women would but remove the bonds of oppression, and receive the seed of freedom. Accept it, embrace it, take joy and let the seed of freedom spread across every woman's face! Let it warm the cheek of each and every one of you! Taste the love and joy of the most sacred sacrements men have to offer! Share it with a friend! Then pregnancy would only happen because of conscious decisions to have children in the first place...

If women would but shed the oppression, and line up to receive the gift we have to offer, society would see an immediate change...

But until the day that men can be sexually free cums... these sorts of things will continue...
 
2012-04-25 09:35:12 AM  

Crunch61: Bontesla: Try again ( by the way, this is what happens when your source is a blog linking to Faux News).

Heh, nice.


Thank you!
 
2012-04-25 09:35:33 AM  
cdn.blogs.sheknows.com

Guess she better not go to Tennessee, she's be tried as a double murderer.
 
2012-04-25 09:36:58 AM  

der Glitzkrieg: themindiswatching: What's that one page that has stories about "pro-lifers" secretly getting abortions?

/if it was really about protecting the innocent, there wouldn't be any exemptions

The only moral abortion is my abortion (new window)


Luckily for you, that would be covered under the Violence Against Women Act, which is a commie plot and won't be reauthorized.
 
2012-04-25 09:39:53 AM  

zenobia: der Glitzkrieg: themindiswatching: What's that one page that has stories about "pro-lifers" secretly getting abortions?

/if it was really about protecting the innocent, there wouldn't be any exemptions

The only moral abortion is my abortion (new window)

Luckily for you, that would be covered under the Violence Against Women Act, which is a commie plot and won't be reauthorized.


Sorry. That comment was supposed to go with this:

Lenny_da_Hog: Okay, now, what if I hit her while she's menstruating, but she doesn't conceive for another couple of weeks, and then....

 
2012-04-25 09:40:17 AM  

karnal: Deneb81


karnal: Republicans: "A human embryo is life."

Democrats: "Not so fast."

Republicans: A zygote is a person!

Democrats: Uh... How exactly are you defining 'person'? Cause it ain't with science. Or a rational argument. And apparently only includes women until they leave the womb...

More Like:

Republicans see it as life from the moment of conception....and Democrats think if that were true then where's their Child Tax credit for last year when the baby was conceived....where's the extra money they are entitled to?


To be fair, if a fetus is a person then aren't they officially a dependent? Why WOULDN'T you treat them like a child for tax purposes? Why would you treat them as a child for criminal law, a child for abortion law, a child for healthcare law, and a child for civil suits but NOT for taxes?

What does fetal personhood mean for immigration law. Are you a citizen at birth or at conception?
 
2012-04-25 09:41:00 AM  

s2s2s2: Bontesla: By the way, Ann Romney said that she loved the lack of choice some women have when they're single parents forced to both work and raise a family. It's the lack of choice she loves.

No she didn't. She stated, poorly, that she loves that we care about the people that don't have a choice. Stop being a disingenuous, catty person.


She may have tried to convey that we she loves the fact that we care about poor people.

Her exact phrasing is more in line with what I alleged.

I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.
 
2012-04-25 09:41:09 AM  

sprawl15: Serious Black: I'm merely commenting that complaining about a tactic when you and your compatriots engage in it is ludicrously hypocritical. At least have the stones to admit you did the same thing in the past and will continue to do the same thing in the future.

I didn't realize I had compatriots. Could you clarify? This isn't one of those things where you're assuming anyone with any kind of criticism of the Democrats/Republicans must be a Republican/Democrat, is it?


Sorry, the "you" was supposed to refer to Rep. Matthew Hill. I really need to get better at handling indirect subjects and objects in my grammar.
 
2012-04-25 09:42:30 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Wanted for questioning.
 
2012-04-25 09:44:16 AM  

Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.


So long as it's a Republitard on the receiving end. I don't like the idea of Romoremormon(e)y as president. But let's keep the criticism honest and constructive, if we want a better world.
 
2012-04-25 09:45:38 AM  

Bontesla: I was being literal . . . And catty. I'm okay with it.


And you shouldn't feel bad about it either, the assholes that suddenly care about attacks on these politicians wives after 4 years of trashing Michelle Obama are hypocritical. It also sets the narrative and puts them on the defensive trying to explain what marie antoinette was actually saying.
 
2012-04-25 09:46:05 AM  

Deneb81: karnal: Deneb81


karnal: Republicans: "A human embryo is life."

Democrats: "Not so fast."

Republicans: A zygote is a person!

Democrats: Uh... How exactly are you defining 'person'? Cause it ain't with science. Or a rational argument. And apparently only includes women until they leave the womb...

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Republicans see it as life from the moment of conception....and Democrats think if that were true then where's their Child Tax credit for last year when the baby was conceived....where's the extra money they are entitled to?

To be fair, if a fetus is a person then aren't they officially a dependent? Why WOULDN'T you treat them like a child for tax purposes? Why would you treat them as a child for criminal law, a child for abortion law, a child for healthcare law, and a child for civil suits but NOT for taxes?

What does fetal personhood mean for immigration law. Are you a citizen at birth or at conception?


That's pretty much the best troll Democrats can run with this whole personhood thing. "Okay, cool, now all those welfare queens you hate get child tax credits the moment they conceive."
 
2012-04-25 09:46:53 AM  

ThrobblefootSpectre: Most states have fetal homicide laws. Subby should get out more.

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Yes, but TN is slowly and deliberately morphing their fetal homicide law into an anti-abortion law. They are trying, as have other states, to do an end-run around on Roe v Wade. The woman's right to choose is intact, but the physician or other health care practitioner performing the abortion is committing a felony. That's really what the change from "fetus" to embryo" is all about. It's pure bullshiat.
 
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