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(KnoxNews)   A poorly conceived Tennessee law is likely to lead to the miscarriage of justice   (knoxnews.com) divider line 385
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2012-04-24 09:46:22 PM  
1) Nice headline
2) Why? This has nothing to do with abortion.
 
2012-04-24 09:51:39 PM  
Subby
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2012-04-24 10:16:24 PM  

notalwaysright: Subby
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I see what he did, too

/but that headline is an abortion
 
2012-04-24 10:16:48 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: 1) Nice headline
2) Why? This has nothing to do with abortion.


It's a simple outgrowth of the Christian view on abortion. If abortion is murder, than doing anything to a woman that causes a miscarriage is murder too.
 
2012-04-25 12:10:48 AM  
What's that one page that has stories about "pro-lifers" secretly getting abortions?

/if it was really about protecting the innocent, there wouldn't be any exemptions
 
2012-04-25 12:33:45 AM  
Since it excludes anything the pregnant woman or a doctor may do, I guess it is technically ok, but it's like those creationists passing laws preventing the teacher from closing off any discussions in science class. Yeah, on the surface they look nice, but the only point of the law is further an unconstitutional agenda.
 
2012-04-25 01:32:04 AM  
Rep. Joshua Evans, R-Greenbrier, the House sponsor, said district attorneys general would not bring charges "if the proof wasn't there" of an intent to cause harm to the embryo or fetus.

I like their "just take our word for it" approach to lawmaking. Very professional.

Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy.

"There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.


Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.
 
2012-04-25 01:32:19 AM  
FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.
 
2012-04-25 01:33:22 AM  
also, really? really! you dicks... "because of a their pregnancy?" jesus...
 
2012-04-25 01:33:59 AM  
damn you car ramrod!
 
2012-04-25 01:34:44 AM  
What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?
 
2012-04-25 01:34:59 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Rep. Joshua Evans, R-Greenbrier, the House sponsor, said district attorneys general would not bring charges "if the proof wasn't there" of an intent to cause harm to the embryo or fetus.

I like their "just take our word for it" approach to lawmaking. Very professional.

Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy.

"There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.


There have been cases of this, but they are very, very rare. This law is insane and I hope it gets thrown out very quickly.
 
2012-04-25 01:35:09 AM  
Another day, another battle in the War on Women.
 
2012-04-25 01:35:22 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: also, really? really! you dicks... "because of a their pregnancy?" jesus...


Fixed.
 
2012-04-25 01:36:22 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: damn you car ramrod!


The day is mine!
 
2012-04-25 01:36:27 AM  
Britney Spear's Speculum: 1) Nice headline
2) Why? This has nothing to do with abortion.


It will, though. That's the thing you're not seeing. This is just a stepping stone.

Personhood is ramping up hardcore to promote their stupidity in Tennessee now since it failed in Mississippi. They've got a huge boost in the East Tennessee religious right, where people like Campfield keep getting elected from. Already, they tried passing a bill to force doctors who provide abortive services to have admitting privledges, because they were - in the words of one Representative "flying from out of state, performing the abortion, then flying back to avoid Tennessee laws". Even though there is no documented case of this happening, ever.
 
2012-04-25 01:36:46 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Rep. Joshua Evans, R-Greenbrier, the House sponsor, said district attorneys general would not bring charges "if the proof wasn't there" of an intent to cause harm to the embryo or fetus.

I like their "just take our word for it" approach to lawmaking. Very professional.


It's particularly egregious when they're extending the law to include the first few weeks after conception -- unless the attacker had specific knowledge of the pregnancy, they certainly could not have any intent to hurt the embryo, but I seriously doubt we'll ever see mixed charges of murder (for the mother) and negligent homicide (for the embryo), or the equivalent assault/etc. charges.
 
2012-04-25 01:37:11 AM  

Loucifer: What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?


Only if the fetus is wearing a hoodie.
 
2012-04-25 01:38:28 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.


Its true. They're frequently attack by abortion doctors.

But seriously, I understand the intent of the law, but they have to work on the wording so that somebody that accidentally rears ends a pregnant woman in a car, and that accident cause her to have a miscarriage, doesn't get charged with murder. But it also seems that they are purposely leaving the wording ambiguous just so they can charge more people with murder.
 
2012-04-25 01:38:44 AM  
What about teh kittens?
 
2012-04-25 01:40:32 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Uchiha_Cycliste: damn you car ramrod!

The day is mine!


You will rue this day! Mark my words.... RUE!
 
2012-04-25 01:40:57 AM  
The bill pretty much excludes anything that happens to the woman without intent, so the senator who was worried secondhand smoke might be implicated seems to be inventing problems; otoh, deliberately causing the death of a fetus has always been part of just about every homicide law I've ever heard of. It's why we have to have abortion laws in the first place, to ALLOW abortions. Anyone who harms a pregnant woman deliberately and even inadvertently kills her baby has always been subject to a manslaughter charge; so this bill seems at best to be unnecessary.

It's that tacking on of the embryo that's troubling. It seems like a slanted way to attack abortion laws.
 
2012-04-25 01:42:19 AM  
How long until someone passes a 'shoot doctors who treat women' bill.
 
2012-04-25 01:42:58 AM  

ongbok: Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.

Its true. They're frequently attack by abortion doctors.

But seriously, I understand the intent of the law, but they have to work on the wording so that somebody that accidentally rears ends a pregnant woman in a car, and that accident cause her to have a miscarriage, doesn't get charged with murder. But it also seems that they are purposely leaving the wording ambiguous just so they can charge more people with murder.


If they care so much about embryo's why don't they care for kids after they are born?Anyway, this seems like god-bothering on the most sneaky level; in as much as it make sense no other way.
 
2012-04-25 01:43:20 AM  

jst3p: Loucifer: What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?

Only if the fetus is wearing a hoodie.


img29.imageshack.us

/I should really go to bed
 
2012-04-25 01:43:31 AM  
Okay, now, what if I hit her while she's menstruating, but she doesn't conceive for another couple of weeks, and then....
 
2012-04-25 01:43:46 AM  

themindiswatching: What's that one page that has stories about "pro-lifers" secretly getting abortions?

/if it was really about protecting the innocent, there wouldn't be any exemptions


The only moral abortion is my abortion (new window)
 
2012-04-25 01:47:07 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Rep. Joshua Evans, R-Greenbrier, the House sponsor, said district attorneys general would not bring charges "if the proof wasn't there" of an intent to cause harm to the embryo or fetus.

I like their "just take our word for it" approach to lawmaking. Very professional.

Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy.

"There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.


I also love the small government conservatives drafting extraordinarily broad laws addressing things that 'sometimes' happen.

I'm just hearing him give that quote in the voice of a six year old- "um, cause, sometimes? Um, cause sometimes, ummm women get, um, women get attacked BECAUSE they're pregnant."
 
2012-04-25 01:47:47 AM  
pregnant women are beaten consistently among the lower orders

stress of expense, sexual unavailability, new priorities, blame for not using contraception when woman is the only one who becomes pregnant

abortionists traveling from location to location in a circuit crossing state lines has become common

the notion of slippery slopes is rational

why isn't it rational that a female killing their daughter or son might not be some sort of right

society, even corrupt society has an interest in protecting future taxpayers and wage slaves from

dare we say it?

murder...
 
2012-04-25 01:48:43 AM  

jst3p: Loucifer: What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?

Only if the fetus is wearing a hoodie.


And holding a tiny little bag of skittles.
 
2012-04-25 01:49:10 AM  

ongbok: But it also seems that they are purposely leaving the wording ambiguous just so they can charge more people with murder.


Yuuup, that's what our government has been so good at doing in the past 30 or so years, finding new ways of throwing Americans in jails and prisons. It's weird how little anyone that runs for office cares about that issue but I now expect the Democrats to be quiet on issues actual liberals and Democrats care and I also expect the GOP to actively and openly support the police state.
 
2012-04-25 01:49:55 AM  

Car_Ramrod: jst3p: Loucifer: What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?

Only if the fetus is wearing a hoodie.



/I should really go to bed


Oh goddammit! Should have read down the thread. Nice job, there.
 
2012-04-25 01:50:49 AM  

dualplains: Car_Ramrod: jst3p: Loucifer: What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?

Only if the fetus is wearing a hoodie.



/I should really go to bed

Oh goddammit! Should have read down the thread. Nice job, there.


It's ok, you can go plot your revenge with Uchiha_Cycliste.
 
2012-04-25 01:50:53 AM  
Most states have fetal homicide laws. Subby should get out more.

.
 
2012-04-25 01:52:11 AM  

Rincewind53: Britney Spear's Speculum: 1) Nice headline
2) Why? This has nothing to do with abortion.

It's a simple outgrowth of the Christian view on abortion. If abortion is murder, than doing anything to a woman that causes a miscarriage is murder too.


...there were plenty of Christian things being done to women throughout the centuries that caused a few miscarriages.
 
2012-04-25 01:53:38 AM  

Car_Ramrod: dualplains: Car_Ramrod: jst3p: Loucifer: What if the embryo is coming right at me? I can stand my ground, right?

Only if the fetus is wearing a hoodie.



/I should really go to bed

Oh goddammit! Should have read down the thread. Nice job, there.

It's ok, you can go plot your revenge with Uchiha_Cycliste.


Oh, you'll pay. Don't think you won't pay, cuz you'll pay.
 
2012-04-25 01:54:52 AM  

Car_Ramrod: "There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.


Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.


Uchiha_Cycliste: also, really? really! you dicks... "because of a their pregnancy?" jesus...


Came here to say the same thing. They make it seem like there are roving gangs of thugs targeting pregnant women for Falcon Punches.
 
2012-04-25 01:55:42 AM  

Cheesus: Uchiha_Cycliste: also, really? really! you dicks... "because of ah, they their is ah, pregnancy?" jesus...

Fixed.

 
2012-04-25 01:56:49 AM  
Hmm, this law seems to go directly against the bible itself. Damn republican heathens.

"And if men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she has a miscarriage, yet there is no further injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman's husband may demand of him; and he shall pay as the judges decide. "But if there is any further injury, then you shall appoint as a penalty life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, (NAS, Exodus 21:22-24)

Exodus is clear that a murderer receive capital punishment, but killing a foetus is not punished with death. This is the closest the Bible comes to commenting on abortion; Judaism's refusal to unequivocally condemn abortion stems from this.
 
2012-04-25 01:57:29 AM  
"You're not a person, till you're in my phone book."
-Bill Hicks
 
2012-04-25 01:58:45 AM  

fusillade762: Car_Ramrod: "There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.

Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.

Uchiha_Cycliste: also, really? really! you dicks... "because of a their pregnancy?" jesus...

Came here to say the same thing. They make it seem like there are roving gangs of thugs targeting pregnant women for Falcon Punches.


Well, we do have the occasional Fark-worthy story about the lonely woman who befriends the pregnant woman, then kills her, digs the baby out of her gut, and steals it.

/very creeeeeeepy stories...
 
2012-04-25 02:00:39 AM  

TheOnion: Since it excludes anything the pregnant woman or a doctor may do, I guess it is technically ok.


For now. But this law is intended to go one step further from an existing law that says killing a "viable fetus" is a crime. How many years before they just decide to strip that excemption out entirely?

That is the danger for laws like this. It's not just about what the law itself means, its the direction the law is trying to take. It's "mission creep".
 
2012-04-25 02:00:55 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: fusillade762: Car_Ramrod: "There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.

Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.

Uchiha_Cycliste: also, really? really! you dicks... "because of a their pregnancy?" jesus...

Came here to say the same thing. They make it seem like there are roving gangs of thugs targeting pregnant women for Falcon Punches.

Well, we do have the occasional Fark-worthy story about the lonely woman who befriends the pregnant woman, then kills her, digs the baby out of her gut, and steals it.

/very creeeeeeepy stories...


Well maybe they were just looking for a burrito. Those things can be easily confused for each other.

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2012-04-25 02:01:43 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: fusillade762: Car_Ramrod: "There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.

Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.

Uchiha_Cycliste: also, really? really! you dicks... "because of a their pregnancy?" jesus...

Came here to say the same thing. They make it seem like there are roving gangs of thugs targeting pregnant women for Falcon Punches.

Well, we do have the occasional Fark-worthy story about the lonely woman who befriends the pregnant woman, then kills her, digs the baby out of her gut, and steals it.

/very creeeeeeepy stories...


that didn't even happen in this state did it? =P
 
2012-04-25 02:02:51 AM  

Car_Ramrod: Lenny_da_Hog: fusillade762: Car_Ramrod: "There is a problem with people being killed because they're pregnant, or being assaulted," he said.

Wut? There is? I have never heard of such a trend.

Uchiha_Cycliste: FTFA:"Evans also said the bill merely clarifies current law, which is necessary because women are sometimes attacked because of a their pregnancy."

bullshiat.

Uchiha_Cycliste: also, really? really! you dicks... "because of a their pregnancy?" jesus...

Came here to say the same thing. They make it seem like there are roving gangs of thugs targeting pregnant women for Falcon Punches.

Well, we do have the occasional Fark-worthy story about the lonely woman who befriends the pregnant woman, then kills her, digs the baby out of her gut, and steals it.

/very creeeeeeepy stories...

Well maybe they were just looking for a burrito. Those things can be easily confused for each other.

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shiat... so I DID leave that burrito on Cal Ave. damn.
It was from La Bamba
a la la la la bamba.
 
2012-04-25 02:06:11 AM  

TheOnion: Since it excludes anything the pregnant woman or a doctor may do, I guess it is technically ok,


Okay, but if I'm a doctor who doesn't have to tell you that your fetus is in danger of dying when I do your required transvaginal ultrasound, and the fetus dies because I didn't have to tell you, then...
 
2012-04-25 02:06:46 AM  
"Rep. Matthew Hill, R-Jonesborough, said Democrats were "playing the 'what if' game" he knows of no unwarranted "horrible instances" of prosecution in other states with similar laws covering embryos."

Clearly, Matthew Hill is not a lawyer, and has no imagination. 'What if' needs to be carefully considered for pretty much all laws, but sadly is not. It's harder to remove a law than make it, as we Farkers know too well =/
 
2012-04-25 02:08:36 AM  

Rincewind53: Britney Spear's Speculum: 1) Nice headline
2) Why? This has nothing to do with abortion.

It's a simple outgrowth of the Christian view on abortion. If abortion is murder, than doing anything to a woman that causes a miscarriage is murder too.


Pregnant woman falls down stairs, has a miscarriage, manslaughter charge?
 
2012-04-25 02:10:00 AM  
People who aren't having protected sex, who aren't married, and are just playing around are going to make that child's life a living hell, I've seen it happen. I live in Tennessee. I genuinely feel sorry for any child that has to live in that hell.

Parents who are thinking of having a child should consider one thing, "Can they grow up in a happy, loving home?" If you can't answer this with a straight face or answer it honestly, don't have a child. Please.

I'm so sick of irresponsible people having a child because it was a mistake (any child that isn't planned, is a mistake, I'm sorry if that offends someone). I feel sorry more for the child, I don't feel sorry for the parents. The child will have to grow up in a home that simply cannot support it.

Mistakes can be fixed if the home that they grow up in sees love, happiness, and other facets of life that the child should experience to make their childhood free from the experience that some children have to go through because the parents aren't loving, caring, and thoughtful individuals and are just seeking some form of outlet to get attention.

/protection, wear it - otherwise, don't fark and end up with a kid when you can't support it.
//end rant
///Why yes, I don't believe in some sky god - I believe in being responsible in the actions I take, bearing any consequence that may be the result of those actions, and making adjustments to ensure that the consequences are mitigated somehow.
////Also, love your children - let them grow up in a happy, loving place that isn't filled with a large amount uncertainty.
 
2012-04-25 02:10:09 AM  
why isn't it rational that a female killing their daughter or son might not be some sort of right

OK, let's look again only without the calculatedly and deliberately obfuscating double negative.

"why is it rational that a female killing their daughter or son might be some sort of right?"

I am Dang Sure there is something totally wrong with your f*cking mind. Why can't you talk straight, instead of sneakily squeakfarting coy, pseudo-clever bullsh*t?
 
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