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(Fox Sports North)   Minor league team runs promotion offering free tickets to fans who can throw harder than Jamie Moyer. More than 80 try, none succeed   (foxsportsnorth.com) divider line 105
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2012-04-25 12:12:17 AM  
Highest I could ever get my fastball was 66. But the goal was to throw two, then guess the speed of the third.

So I threw a 62, then a 64, so the obvious choice was to guess 66 for the third.

I think I won a pencil troll.
 
2012-04-25 01:18:09 AM  
I'd try it just to see how fast I could throw, not because I can throw fast. Then I would go drink a bunch of beer until the pain in my elbow and shoulder went away.
 
2012-04-25 02:35:50 AM  

jaylectricity: I think I won a pencil troll.


I won a decent-sized stuffed animal, but it was a magical day for me: I also won the incredibly rigged "free throw" basketball toss (on one try), the toss a quarter on the plate thing, and I knocked down three clowns with three baseballs. Gave all the stuffed animals to my date, still didn't get any.

So I guess it wasn't so magical after all.

/Maxed out at 60, but that was two years after I threw my arm out. And it's tough to get much speed on the second & third throws when your entire arm is numb from the first one.
//Could hit the low 70s at age 15, when my arm still worked.
 
2012-04-25 02:55:39 AM  
When Jamie retires I predict he will be throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Mariners next home opener. Seattle has this amazing soft spot for all their former heroes and fan favorites. And with ONE very notable exception always greet them back with cheers and fanfare, even if they are on the opposing team.

/because what else are we gonna get excited about?
 
2012-04-25 03:05:33 AM  

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: When Jamie retires I predict he will be throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Mariners next home opener. Seattle has this amazing soft spot for all their former heroes and fan favorites. And with ONE very notable exception always greet them back with cheers and fanfare, even if they are on the opposing team.

/because what else are we gonna get excited about?


If. IF Jamie retires....

This promotion is awesome. They should do this on a wider scale so people appreciate what they are watching more and maybe boo less.
 
2012-04-25 03:45:46 AM  

Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: When Jamie retires I predict he will be throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Mariners next home opener. Seattle has this amazing soft spot for all their former heroes and fan favorites. And with ONE very notable exception always greet them back with cheers and fanfare, even if they are on the opposing team.

/because what else are we gonna get excited about?


We're not talking about A-hole are we?
Cause if you are, that would upset the NY faithful.

/i'm good with that
 
2012-04-25 04:09:08 AM  
I could throw in the high 70's when I was 18. Of course I could only do it a few times before my arm felt like it was going to fall off.
 
2012-04-25 04:22:34 AM  

relaxitsjustme: I'd try it just to see how fast I could throw, not because I can throw fast. Then I would go drink a bunch of beer until the pain in my elbow and shoulder went away.


Solid plan. Almost there myself.

/41 years old, pitched in college
//still pitching, fastball tops out around 80-82 mph
///can't hit a pitch going that fast
 
2012-04-25 04:32:21 AM  
i might not throw as fast as moyer, i bet my ERA would be lower of the season, before he goes on the DL
 
2012-04-25 05:54:22 AM  
Played HS ball 25 years ago. The best arms on the team could hit upper 70s/low 80s after a month of conditioning and properly warming up for over ten minutes or so? It's tougher to do than most think, and pitches look much, much different from a batter's box versus a television...

/was a good defensive catcher with a great arm, threw out 15/29 base stealers my senior year, but only hit .230 before ending the season on an 0 for 9 slump. With an aluminum bat.

//csb!
 
2012-04-25 06:16:14 AM  
I wonder if they had the people pitching off a mound, cause that would help a bit.
 
2012-04-25 06:38:57 AM  
But that's okay because girls can never be anything more than softball pitchers because professional baseball pitchers can hit anything above what they can throw.

So they should just switch to beach volleyball so we have have our lesbian fantasies while looking at their thonged asses.

/amidoingitright?
 
2012-04-25 08:00:11 AM  

jaylectricity: Highest I could ever get my fastball was 66. But the goal was to throw two, then guess the speed of the third.

So I threw a 62, then a 64, so the obvious choice was to guess 66 for the third.

I think I won a pencil troll.


When I was a young'n they had the same thing at a Tucson Toros game. My first throw was 35 mph. 2nd throw was 35 as well. So I guessed my third pitch would be 35. Naturally, I grooved it in there at 36 mph. I was pretty bummed.
 
2012-04-25 08:12:23 AM  
So a bunch of people who are probably couch potatoes, and who are defiantly not doing any of the training or conditioning a professional pitcher does to prepare their arm, can't throw a fast as a major league pitcher. Color me shocked.

The real story should be the followup to see how many people that participated in this go to their doctor in the next few weeks complaining of either shoulder or elbow pain.
 
2012-04-25 08:13:37 AM  

Ow My Balls: Played HS ball 25 years ago. The best arms on the team could hit upper 70s/low 80s after a month of conditioning and properly warming up for over ten minutes or so? It's tougher to do than most think, and pitches look much, much different from a batter's box versus a television...

/was a good defensive catcher with a great arm, threw out 15/29 base stealers my senior year, but only hit .230 before ending the season on an 0 for 9 slump. With an aluminum bat.

//csb!


Really? Our team consistently had one or two guys a year in the 90mph range.
 
2012-04-25 08:14:06 AM  
My best was 62-63 in high school ... but I couldn't hit a target at that speed. I knew my only shot at greatness was a knuckleball ... unfortunately it was more ball than knuckle, thus ending a not very promising career before it ever got started. Probably for the best. Fairly certain that had any farker made it to the majors, Eastbound and Down would be more documentary than comedy.
 
2012-04-25 08:59:23 AM  

SharkTrager: Ow My Balls: Played HS ball 25 years ago. The best arms on the team could hit upper 70s/low 80s after a month of conditioning and properly warming up for over ten minutes or so? It's tougher to do than most think, and pitches look much, much different from a batter's box versus a television...

/was a good defensive catcher with a great arm, threw out 15/29 base stealers my senior year, but only hit .230 before ending the season on an 0 for 9 slump. With an aluminum bat.

//csb!

Really? Our team consistently had one or two guys a year in the 90mph range.


That depends on where the team is located at, in the south hou had st least one and sometimes most of the pitchers who threw 90+.

Highest I ever reached was 86, but then I was only 19 and would sometimes pitch middle relief after usually playing 3rd base with my best pitch being a nasty curve ball.

Couldnt pitch that fast or throw that curve now to save my life, 3 rotator cuff rebuilds has that affect on you, hurts like hell if I try to throw even slightly hard.
 
2012-04-25 09:08:32 AM  
I was up in the 90-94 range in highschool. Had a few scouts from the A's come and watch some games.

I was banned from the ball throw game at Canadas wonderland. (you had to throw over 85 to win a prize) I won a huge stuffed animal for my GF at the time and they told me not to come back as i had thrown 25 straight above 85 lol.

I used to pitch practice for the local city rep team ( my neighbour was the coach)

It all fell apart when i was offered a spot on a team but would have to pay travel expenses. My parents didnt want to pay. Now i work for a bank. Hurray.
 
2012-04-25 09:23:56 AM  
Rather than being a punch-line this should be instructive to both fans and GM's who seem to be stupidly obsessed with pitch-speed over all else.

Speed only matters if it's accurate, part of a varied set of other pitches, can be controlled, has good delivery, is reliable and healthy, and the person who has it is sane.

Moyer shows that you can be a very successful MLB pitcher by having everything else a pitcher needs, with under-whelming speed.

So the next time your local sports radio station is screaming about the hot new prospect who throws in the mid-90's, ask yourself - are they really that dumb about pitching that they aren't talking about everything else he needs to be able to do?
 
2012-04-25 09:27:16 AM  

cefm: Rather than being a punch-line this should be instructive to both fans and GM's who seem to be stupidly obsessed with pitch-speed over all else.

Speed only matters if it's accurate, part of a varied set of other pitches, can be controlled, has good delivery, is reliable and healthy, and the person who has it is sane.

Moyer shows that you can be a very successful MLB pitcher by having everything else a pitcher needs, with under-whelming speed.

So the next time your local sports radio station is screaming about the hot new prospect who throws in the mid-90's, ask yourself - are they really that dumb about pitching that they aren't talking about everything else he needs to be able to do?


Speed is also useless if you have no movement on your pitches. Rob Dibble had speed to spare, but no movement. As a result when guys saw him a few times and had his pitch measured out they started rocking him.
 
2012-04-25 09:33:11 AM  

steamingpile: That depends on where the team is located at, in the south hou had st least one and sometimes most of the pitchers who threw 90+.


Could be it. Our coach was also a scout for the Dodgers, and the town is baseball crazy. They had kids move in just to play summer ball. It happened enough that they had to implement a rule about "imports" per team. There was one sponsor that started at age 8 and went all the way up through graduation keeping as many of the core players as they could on a single team.
 
2012-04-25 09:51:43 AM  
I think I topped out in the mid-70s in my various tries at this game at Trenton Thunder games. The ridiculous forearm tightness after the last time has me in semi-retirement (haven't tried it the last few times I've been to the park).

/was a dominant pitcher at age 9
//never learned to throw anything with movement
///couldn't hit anything with movement either, relied on bunting, stolen bases, and defense to get playing time
 
2012-04-25 09:55:38 AM  

poisonedpawn78: I was up in the 90-94 range in highschool. Had a few scouts from the A's come and watch some games.

I was banned from the ball throw game at Canadas wonderland. (you had to throw over 85 to win a prize) I won a huge stuffed animal for my GF at the time and they told me not to come back as i had thrown 25 straight above 85 lol.

I used to pitch practice for the local city rep team ( my neighbour was the coach)

It all fell apart when i was offered a spot on a team but would have to pay travel expenses. My parents didnt want to pay. Now i work for a bank. Hurray.


OK, Uncle Rico.
 
2012-04-25 10:00:15 AM  
huh...a couple years back I threw an 81 at our 'local' Kings Dominion...heck, I can throw a regulation NFL football a good 3/4 of the way down my front yard. Driveway is 286 feet long (just sealcoated it, so the measurement is fresh in my head), so that's 86 yards...
 
2012-04-25 10:09:08 AM  

DssDevl: Evil Kirk vs Bad Ash: When Jamie retires I predict he will be throwing out the ceremonial first pitch at the Mariners next home opener. Seattle has this amazing soft spot for all their former heroes and fan favorites. And with ONE very notable exception always greet them back with cheers and fanfare, even if they are on the opposing team.

/because what else are we gonna get excited about?

We're not talking about A-hole are we?
Cause if you are, that would upset the NY faithful.

/i'm good with that


Yup, that's the guy. Seattle even forgave Randy Johnson after being a bit of a turd on his way out. But not A-Rod.
 
2012-04-25 10:09:34 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: But that's okay because girls can never be anything more than softball pitchers because professional baseball pitchers can hit anything above what they can throw.

So they should just switch to beach volleyball so we have have our lesbian fantasies while looking at their thonged asses.

/amidoingitright?


I don't know what you're doing, but that second part sounds right to me.
 
2012-04-25 10:13:24 AM  
They had a game at Six Flags where you had to throw a softball. If you could throw it 70 mph or faster you won a prize. I thought it would be easy, so I stepped up and gave it a throw.

A whopping 52 mph.

I was thhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis close.
 
2012-04-25 10:17:50 AM  

oh_please: poisonedpawn78: I was up in the 90-94 range in highschool. Had a few scouts from the A's come and watch some games.

I was banned from the ball throw game at Canadas wonderland. (you had to throw over 85 to win a prize) I won a huge stuffed animal for my GF at the time and they told me not to come back as i had thrown 25 straight above 85 lol.

I used to pitch practice for the local city rep team ( my neighbour was the coach)

It all fell apart when i was offered a spot on a team but would have to pay travel expenses. My parents didnt want to pay. Now i work for a bank. Hurray.

OK, Uncle Rico.


Don't worry. His wife, Morgan Fairchild, comforts him to sleep every night.
 
2012-04-25 10:18:57 AM  

poisonedpawn78: I was up in the 90-94 range in highschool. Had a few scouts from the A's come and watch some games.


It all fell apart when i was offered a spot on a team but would have to pay travel expenses. My parents didnt want to pay. Now i work for a bank. Hurray.


If you were throwing mid 90's in HS you would have gone directly to AAA or AA ball not a single A pay your way league. A real pitching coach would have groomed you for the majors. At the very least you would have been offered a full ride to any number of D 1 colleges.

What at guy who ACTUALLY threw in the 90s in HS looks like:

i2.cdn.turner.com

/Hot like a Strasburg heater
 
2012-04-25 10:37:47 AM  

Imperialism: I think I topped out in the mid-70s in my various tries at this game at Trenton Thunder games. The ridiculous forearm tightness after the last time has me in semi-retirement (haven't tried it the last few times I've been to the park).

/was a dominant pitcher at age 9
//never learned to throw anything with movement
///couldn't hit anything with movement either, relied on bunting, stolen bases, and defense to get playing time


This sounds remarkably like my days of little league. Though I did learn how to throw a curve at 13 (the wrong way) and subsequently destroyed my elbow.
 
2012-04-25 10:39:14 AM  

poisonedpawn78: I was up in the 90-94 range in highschool. Had a few scouts from the A's come and watch some games.

I was banned from the ball throw game at Canadas wonderland. (you had to throw over 85 to win a prize) I won a huge stuffed animal for my GF at the time and they told me not to come back as i had thrown 25 straight above 85 lol.

I used to pitch practice for the local city rep team ( my neighbour was the coach)

It all fell apart when i was offered a spot on a team but would have to pay travel expenses. My parents didnt want to pay. Now i work for a bank. Hurray.


1. Had to throw over 85 to win a prize? Did you even rtfa?
2. Pitch practice for the local team? Who would let such a magical arm pitch practice?
3. 90-94? So, you're one of 5-ish 18 year old talents in the world that no one has ever heard of?

I'm going to guess:
1. You were a decent pitcher in Little League and likely won a few prizes in a fair.
2. Pitched for a local team's practices.
3. Never once hit 85 at any age.

Nothing about this story is really plausible, least of all being someone who thinks all of us are going to believe this malarkey is smart enough to work at a bank. Unless... janitor? Door guard? Maybe.
 
2012-04-25 10:39:58 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: poisonedpawn78: I was up in the 90-94 range in highschool. Had a few scouts from the A's come and watch some games.


It all fell apart when i was offered a spot on a team but would have to pay travel expenses. My parents didnt want to pay. Now i work for a bank. Hurray.

If you were throwing mid 90's in HS you would have gone directly to AAA or AA ball not a single A pay your way league. A real pitching coach would have groomed you for the majors. At the very least you would have been offered a full ride to any number of D 1 colleges.

What at guy who ACTUALLY threw in the 90s in HS looks like:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 298x424]

/Hot like a Strasburg heater


We are talking in the mid 1990's before it was popular to draft canadians. They wanted to see how i would do for a full season against better competition before they would offer anything more (at the time they didnt think canadians could play at american level of skill). As for US colleges, they didnt even know canada existed. and baseball is a forgotten sport at canadian universities.
 
2012-04-25 10:51:57 AM  

This Looks Fun: 3. 90-94? So, you're one of 5-ish 18 year old talents in the world that no one has ever heard of?


There are way more than 5 18 year olds who can throw 90+. Probably thousands, at least. Most of them either can't locate their pitches or can't throw anything besides an arrow straight fastball. A guy with a 90mph fastball and nothing else will probably get college looks and someone might take a flyer on them in the late rounds of the draft (MLB has a 50 round draft, so getting drafted doesn't mean the same thing as it does in other sports) but odds are really high they'll flame out in the low minors.
 
2012-04-25 10:54:53 AM  

cefm: So the next time your local sports radio station is screaming about the hot new prospect who throws in the mid-90's, ask yourself - are they really that dumb about pitching that they aren't talking about everything else he needs to be able to do?


All else being equal, though, having more speed on our pitches is an advantage. It's something scouts focus on because you can't teach it. Presumably you can teach control to some extent. Sometimes all you need is to just buy a pair of eyeglasses.

assets.sbnation.com
 
2012-04-25 10:57:40 AM  
poisonedpawn78;
baseball is a forgotten sport at canadian universities.


oh....you're Canadian....so you were speaking metric...90 Kmph.....

/i keed....
 
2012-04-25 10:57:54 AM  

Lou Brown: your pitches


Hooray typos. My pitches in little league topped out around 40. I bet I might be able to hit 50 now. Probably wouldn't cut it in the majors.
 
2012-04-25 11:04:15 AM  
Damnit. This post now has me curious if I could still throw that hard.

I was around 80-82 in high school, but I didn't have the stamina. I could throw that hard if I was used as the closer, but if I was in for more than 2 innings I started throwing around 76-78. I stopped playing after high school, and have only sparingly thrown a ball since (almost 10 years).

Now I want to know how hard I can still throw...
 
2012-04-25 11:12:29 AM  
I crow hopped a 67 MPH fastball once but then my arm fell off. I got better.
 
2012-04-25 11:16:19 AM  

chevydeuce: poisonedpawn78;
baseball is a forgotten sport at canadian universities.


oh....you're Canadian....so you were speaking metric...90 Kmph.....

/i keed....


I was waiting for someone to try that lol.

And for those who think there are 5 18 year olds who can throw 90's, you havent a single clue about the level of talent in baseball across north america.

As for myself, Yeah i never went on to play AA or AAA despite my skill/talent. Whats so hard to believe about that? Its not like im saying i was drafted and pitched in the majors lol.. I gave up baseball because there was no more opportunity for me at the time.
 
2012-04-25 11:22:38 AM  
Played baseball for a few years. Went 0 for a lot my final year. The only time I connected was on my birthday was when I hit a foul ball. I was 7.
 
2012-04-25 11:22:45 AM  

This Looks Fun: poisonedpawn78: I was up in the 90-94 range in highschool. Had a few scouts from the A's come and watch some games.

I was banned from the ball throw game at Canadas wonderland. (you had to throw over 85 to win a prize) I won a huge stuffed animal for my GF at the time and they told me not to come back as i had thrown 25 straight above 85 lol.

I used to pitch practice for the local city rep team ( my neighbour was the coach)

It all fell apart when i was offered a spot on a team but would have to pay travel expenses. My parents didnt want to pay. Now i work for a bank. Hurray.

1. Had to throw over 85 to win a prize? Did you even rtfa?
2. Pitch practice for the local team? Who would let such a magical arm pitch practice?
3. 90-94? So, you're one of 5-ish 18 year old talents in the world that no one has ever heard of?

I'm going to guess:
1. You were a decent pitcher in Little League and likely won a few prizes in a fair.
2. Pitched for a local team's practices.
3. Never once hit 85 at any age.

Nothing about this story is really plausible, least of all being someone who thinks all of us are going to believe this malarkey is smart enough to work at a bank. Unless... janitor? Door guard? Maybe.


You forgot to complain about the most obvious comment. No farker has a GF so clearly im lying.
 
2012-04-25 11:24:55 AM  
I tried one of those "test your pitch speed" things at a AAA game...highest I could hit was mid 40s. Keep in mind that I never played baseball at any level.

Then this 12 year old kid comes along and throws mid 50s, which is bullshiat because I know I'm stronger than that damn kid.
 
2012-04-25 11:28:58 AM  
I hit 59-59-62, then 60-60-63 at the Santa Cruz boardwalk a couple years ago. couldnt even pick up my fork the next day
 
2012-04-25 11:33:22 AM  
rcf1105

Then this 12 year old kid comes along and throws mid 50s, which is bullshiat because I know I'm stronger than that damn kid.

Strength has very little to do with it....I coach HS softball and our starting pitcher consistently hits 60-65mph...she's 5'-4" and about 115lbs....I can sometimes hit 50mph and I'm considerably bigger (and stronger) than her....

Look at Mariano Rivera....dude is 5' tall and weighs a buck fifty and can still sling it at 80+ (no, his fast ball isn't his bread and butter, but he can still throw it)

/Rivera's height/weight are poor estimates, but you get the point
 
2012-04-25 11:35:57 AM  

chevydeuce: rcf1105

Then this 12 year old kid comes along and throws mid 50s, which is bullshiat because I know I'm stronger than that damn kid.

Strength has very little to do with it....I coach HS softball and our starting pitcher consistently hits 60-65mph...she's 5'-4" and about 115lbs....I can sometimes hit 50mph and I'm considerably bigger (and stronger) than her....

Look at Mariano Rivera....dude is 5' tall and weighs a buck fifty and can still sling it at 80+ (no, his fast ball isn't his bread and butter, but he can still throw it)

/Rivera's height/weight are poor estimates, but you get the point


Hell lock at Pedro Martinez and his brother Ramon. Both could run the ball in the low to mid nineties and I doubt either of them was taller than 5'9 and weighed more than 160.
 
2012-04-25 11:36:46 AM  
and for the record, I looked up Rivera's height/weight (cuz I knew somebody would call me on it)....wow....for some reason, i always thought the guy was tiny. 6'-2", 185lbs......I stand corrected
 
2012-04-25 11:42:03 AM  

chevydeuce: Look at Mariano Rivera....dude is 5' tall


Say wah...?

chevydeuce: 6'-2", 185lbs......I stand corrected


Very well. Ten hail Sandmans, and you will be forgiven, my son.
 
2012-04-25 11:43:05 AM  

poisonedpawn78:
We are talking in the mid 1990's before it was popular to draft canadians. They wanted to see how i would do for a full season against better competition before they would offer anything more (at the time they didnt think canadians could play at american level of skill). As for US colleges, they didnt even know canada existed. and baseball is a forgotten sport at canadian universities.



I don't care if you were from Nigeria if you were consistently hitting 90+ MPH in HS you would have been sent directly to a pitching coach. In fact you might not have even pitched "against better competition" for a year while they worked out your mechanics and installed a decent change-up. Hell Strasburg is making $18 million and has never been able to pitch without an innings limit. 90+ at that age is a friggin jewel, NO ONE in single A ball is throwing 90+ consistently.

I'm with This Looks Like Fun, if you said you were a good talent that threw mid 80s tops and the A's were worried about your mechanics or types of pitches I'd buy it. 90+ on a consistent basis at 18 with no good pitching coach is one in a million, no team is going to let that get away.
 
2012-04-25 11:43:34 AM  
When I did the "test/guess your speed" thing at a county fair, I only hit like 45 and missed the speed of my third pitch.

Then when waiting in line for a second try, I saw someone else soft toss it but he was able to hit 11 mph on every throw.

I did the same thing for my second try.

Also, are HS pitchers today that much better than they were say 20 years ago? A lot probably depends on the school size, some kid at a 200-student HS in Missouri isn't going to be pitching as well as a kid at some 2000-student HS in Texas.
 
2012-04-25 11:53:18 AM  
stpickrell

Also, are HS pitchers today that much better than they were say 20 years ago? A lot probably depends on the school size, some kid at a 200-student HS in Missouri isn't going to be pitching as well as a kid at some 2000-student HS in Texas.

yes....most of the varsity level players in HS today are playing travel/club ball 8 months out of the year nowadays....that goes for ALL the sports and both genders....There are the occasional freakish athletes that don't, but it's getting more and more rare. In fact, a good portion of college scouts bypass high school sports altogether anymore and simply go to travel ball tournaments and showcases to find recruits....with the sheer amount of playing time the kids are getting, they are bound to be better than the kids of 20 years ago.
 
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