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2012-04-24 12:44:47 PM
I will always love Pudge for helping bring The Tigers back to respectability.
 
2012-04-24 12:47:38 PM
cool
 
2012-04-24 12:47:40 PM
...with steroids. Well done, Pudge. You are a symbol of your era. Not that I'm singling you out.
 
2012-04-24 12:52:29 PM
That was actually pretty cool
 
2012-04-24 01:06:26 PM
Way to go, Pudge.

\Tigers fan
\\Fark off, Texas
 
2012-04-24 01:19:59 PM

Nana's Vibrator: ...with steroids. Well done, Pudge. You are a symbol of your era. Not that I'm singling you out.


Never tested positive and not named in any of the leaked documents... The only person who ever said anything was Jose Canseco whos word should never be trusted

Do I think that he did... Maybe, that club house was rampent with them, but the baseball writers of America shouldn't use maybe to vote for the HoF... Slam dunk first ballot hall of famer
 
2012-04-24 01:31:44 PM
On the telecast they mentioned that he had caught Nolan Ryan(b.1947) and Stephen Strasburg(b.1988). I thought that was neat
 
2012-04-24 01:31:45 PM
There may not be positive test evidence that Pudge was on the roids, but the numbers scream "steroid user". The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.
 
2012-04-24 01:46:54 PM

PowerSlacker: The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.


You mean when he hit 19, 20, 21, 35, 27, 25, 19, 16, 19 homers?

Those are his age 24 through 32 seasons. Maybe you can blame steroids, and in that era there's no way to know. But, it also looks like a guy who developed into his prime and then regressed a bit once he turned 30. I'm not sure that's an abnormal trend there... it's not Brady Anderson hitting 50 or Bonds hitting 73 when he was almost 40.
 
2012-04-24 01:50:47 PM
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Uh, OK.
 
2012-04-24 01:51:10 PM

dukeblue219: PowerSlacker: The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.

You mean when he hit 19, 20, 21, 35, 27, 25, 19, 16, 19 homers?

Those are his age 24 through 32 seasons. Maybe you can blame steroids, and in that era there's no way to know. But, it also looks like a guy who developed into his prime and then regressed a bit once he turned 30. I'm not sure that's an abnormal trend there... it's not Brady Anderson hitting 50 or Bonds hitting 73 when he was almost 40.


Look at the slugging percentage, not the homers. Also, remember what else was happening in baseball in 1998. Pudge isn't an evil guy or anything. He was just doing what most of the other players were doing at the time. Given his defensive skill, I'd still consider him for the HoF. He's just not a first ballot guy.
 
2012-04-24 01:55:43 PM

PowerSlacker: There may not be positive test evidence that Pudge was on the roids, but the numbers scream "steroid user". The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.


Err what?

'96 19/hr 47/2b 86/rbi
'97 - 20/hr 34/2b 77/rbi
'98 -21/hr 40/2b 91/rbi
'99 35/hr 29/2b 113/rbi
'00 27/hr 27/2b 83/rbi
'01 25/hr 24/2b 65/rbi

'99 was a contract year during his peak years.
35 hr is now juicing proof? Jesus Christ.
 
2012-04-24 01:58:04 PM

Rozotorical: PowerSlacker: There may not be positive test evidence that Pudge was on the roids, but the numbers scream "steroid user". The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.

Err what?

'96 19/hr 47/2b 86/rbi
'97 - 20/hr 34/2b 77/rbi
'98 -21/hr 40/2b 91/rbi
'99 35/hr 29/2b 113/rbi
'00 27/hr 27/2b 83/rbi
'01 25/hr 24/2b 65/rbi

'99 was a contract year during his peak years.
35 hr is now juicing proof? Jesus Christ.


Also in '99 14 players hit for more then 40 home runs. He wasn't even in the top 20.
 
2012-04-24 02:06:38 PM

PowerSlacker: dukeblue219: PowerSlacker: The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.

You mean when he hit 19, 20, 21, 35, 27, 25, 19, 16, 19 homers?

Those are his age 24 through 32 seasons. Maybe you can blame steroids, and in that era there's no way to know. But, it also looks like a guy who developed into his prime and then regressed a bit once he turned 30. I'm not sure that's an abnormal trend there... it's not Brady Anderson hitting 50 or Bonds hitting 73 when he was almost 40.

Look at the slugging percentage, not the homers. Also, remember what else was happening in baseball in 1998. Pudge isn't an evil guy or anything. He was just doing what most of the other players were doing at the time. Given his defensive skill, I'd still consider him for the HoF. He's just not a first ballot guy.


So wait a top 30 hitter

PowerSlacker: dukeblue219: PowerSlacker: The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.

You mean when he hit 19, 20, 21, 35, 27, 25, 19, 16, 19 homers?

Those are his age 24 through 32 seasons. Maybe you can blame steroids, and in that era there's no way to know. But, it also looks like a guy who developed into his prime and then regressed a bit once he turned 30. I'm not sure that's an abnormal trend there... it's not Brady Anderson hitting 50 or Bonds hitting 73 when he was almost 40.

Look at the slugging percentage, not the homers. Also, remember what else was happening in baseball in 1998. Pudge isn't an evil guy or anything. He was just doing what most of the other players were doing at the time. Given his defensive skill, I'd still consider him for the HoF. He's just not a first ballot guy.


Slg percentage

'93 412
'94 488
'95 449
'96 473
'97 484
'98 513
'99 558
'00 667
'01 541
'02 542


It is almost as if he hit his peak and held steady respectable numbers and then had a slow decline as he aged.
 
2012-04-24 02:11:11 PM

PowerSlacker: There may not be positive test evidence that Pudge was on the roids, but the numbers scream "steroid user". The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.


Not as obvious as Brady Anderson's 50hr in 1996.
 
2012-04-24 02:18:48 PM

Rozotorical: PowerSlacker: dukeblue219: PowerSlacker: The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.

You mean when he hit 19, 20, 21, 35, 27, 25, 19, 16, 19 homers?

Those are his age 24 through 32 seasons. Maybe you can blame steroids, and in that era there's no way to know. But, it also looks like a guy who developed into his prime and then regressed a bit once he turned 30. I'm not sure that's an abnormal trend there... it's not Brady Anderson hitting 50 or Bonds hitting 73 when he was almost 40.

Look at the slugging percentage, not the homers. Also, remember what else was happening in baseball in 1998. Pudge isn't an evil guy or anything. He was just doing what most of the other players were doing at the time. Given his defensive skill, I'd still consider him for the HoF. He's just not a first ballot guy.

So wait a top 30 hitter PowerSlacker: dukeblue219: PowerSlacker: The sudden appearance of power in 1998 does not lie.

You mean when he hit 19, 20, 21, 35, 27, 25, 19, 16, 19 homers?

Those are his age 24 through 32 seasons. Maybe you can blame steroids, and in that era there's no way to know. But, it also looks like a guy who developed into his prime and then regressed a bit once he turned 30. I'm not sure that's an abnormal trend there... it's not Brady Anderson hitting 50 or Bonds hitting 73 when he was almost 40.

Look at the slugging percentage, not the homers. Also, remember what else was happening in baseball in 1998. Pudge isn't an evil guy or anything. He was just doing what most of the other players were doing at the time. Given his defensive skill, I'd still consider him for the HoF. He's just not a first ballot guy.

Slg percentage

'93 412
'94 488
'95 449
'96 473
'97 484
'98 513
'99 558
'00 667
'01 541
'02 542


It is almost as if he hit his peak and held steady respectable numbers and then had a slow decline as he aged.


You have to compare his similarity to other catchers as well as account for the ballpark he played in. Like other "clean" icons from the recent era such as Jeter and Pujols, I HOPE he didn't use PED's, but in all likelihood he did.
 
2012-04-24 02:45:35 PM

Rozotorical: Slg percentage

'93 412
'94 488
'95 449
'96 473
'97 484
'98 513
'99 558
'00 667
'01 541
'02 542


It is almost as if he hit his peak and held steady respectable numbers and then had a slow decline as he aged.


From .484 to .513 to .558 to .667 (ISO nearly doubling from .171 to .320 from age 26 to age 29) is holding "steady respectable numbers"?

(Also note, by way of comparison: last year's league leader in ISO was Jose Bautista at .306.)
 
2012-04-24 03:01:10 PM
He should have knelt behind home plate and thrown a strike to the first-base side of second.
 
2012-04-24 03:07:01 PM
I will always have respect for that man. When my wife's brother was dieing of brain cancer at age 13 he visited him in the hospital. My wife still speaks fondly of the event.

/Her brother didn't make it.
 
2012-04-24 03:32:09 PM
That throw was terrible. Too slow and way too high. My grandmother could have stolen second on that.
 
2012-04-24 03:38:14 PM
That was cool.
 
2012-04-24 04:04:22 PM

PowerSlacker: Look at the slugging percentage, not the homers. Also, remember what else was happening in baseball in 1998. Pudge isn't an evil guy or anything. He was just doing what most of the other players were doing at the time. Given his defensive skill, I'd still consider him for the HoF. He's just not a first ballot guy.


Hey dude? You've got no proof. You've got some statistics that look suspicious to you because that's what you want to believe. Nothing's ever been proven. He's one of the greatest catchers to play the game & a first ballot HoFer hands down. Sorry you can't quite deal with that.

PUDGE 4LYFE
GO RANGERS
 
2012-04-24 04:16:38 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

Rodriguez was a great catcher but when you say "Pudge" this is what I see in my mind's eye
 
2012-04-24 05:12:01 PM

Super Chronic: Rozotorical: Slg percentage

'93 412
'94 488
'95 449
'96 473
'97 484
'98 513
'99 558
'00 667
'01 541
'02 542


It is almost as if he hit his peak and held steady respectable numbers and then had a slow decline as he aged.

From .484 to .513 to .558 to .667 (ISO nearly doubling from .171 to .320 from age 26 to age 29) is holding "steady respectable numbers"?

(Also note, by way of comparison: last year's league leader in ISO was Jose Bautista at .306.)




You do realize that there is ample, ample evidence that most players peak offensive years are between ages 26 and 29, right? So this is exactly what one would expect.

I'm not saying he didn't use, but there simply was never the ridiculous offensive output at a strange point in his career that was the case with many steroid users.
 
2012-04-24 05:40:19 PM

Maysin: Nana's Vibrator: Never tested positive and not named in any of the leaked documents... The only person who ever said anything was Jose Canseco whos word should never be trusted

Didn't pretty much everything he claimed turn out to be true? Jose may be a dispicable person, but he doesn't seem to be a liar.
 
2012-04-24 06:06:42 PM
Canseco is the only person in all of this steroid bs who hasn't lied to me, yet. His word is bond, as far as I'm concerned.

Well, that, and Pudge's freakishly oversized forehead growth. Gimme a freakin' break.
 
2012-04-24 06:36:36 PM

Buffalo77: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 322x400]

Rodriguez was a great catcher but when you say "Pudge" this is what I see in my mind's eye


I think there might be some kids playing on your lawn.
 
2012-04-24 06:39:55 PM

Buffalo77: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 322x400]

Rodriguez was a great catcher but when you say "Pudge" this is what I see in my mind's eye


Good lord, what are you, 100?
 
2012-04-24 07:07:30 PM

ricewater_stool: Super Chronic: Rozotorical: Slg percentage

'93 412
'94 488
'95 449
'96 473
'97 484
'98 513
'99 558
'00 667
'01 541
'02 542


It is almost as if he hit his peak and held steady respectable numbers and then had a slow decline as he aged.

From .484 to .513 to .558 to .667 (ISO nearly doubling from .171 to .320 from age 26 to age 29) is holding "steady respectable numbers"?

(Also note, by way of comparison: last year's league leader in ISO was Jose Bautista at .306.)



You do realize that there is ample, ample evidence that most players peak offensive years are between ages 26 and 29, right? So this is exactly what one would expect.

I'm not saying he didn't use, but there simply was never the ridiculous offensive output at a strange point in his career that was the case with many steroid users.


No. A near-doubling of ISO over that period is not what one would expect under any circumstances. That is far from the norm. From .171 to .220, maybe. Not from .171 to .320 during the age 26 to age 29 years (maybe in the age 23 to age 26 years of an all-time great slugger I would not be surprised to see it).

Some of his contemporaries (comparisons of ISOs in age 26 and age 29 seasons):

Ken Griffey Jr.: .325, .285
Frank Thomas: .298, .264
Jeff Bagwell: .382, .306
Mike Piazza: .260, .248
Javy Lopez: .239, .197
Juan Gonzalez: .329, .275

Yes, yes, sample size and all that, and I'm sure there are plenty of good players who didn't decline in those years. But again, those aren't the years for this enormous a leap forward. From age 23 to age 26, maybe.
 
2012-04-24 08:38:55 PM
Aww, he retired?

Damn!
 
2012-04-24 11:44:40 PM

Super Chronic: Rozotorical: Slg percentage

'93 412
'94 488
'95 449
'96 473
'97 484
'98 513
'99 558
'00 667
'01 541
'02 542


It is almost as if he hit his peak and held steady respectable numbers and then had a slow decline as he aged.

From .484 to .513 to .558 to .667 (ISO nearly doubling from .171 to .320 from age 26 to age 29) is holding "steady respectable numbers"?

(Also note, by way of comparison: last year's league leader in ISO was Jose Bautista at .306.)


Wait compare them to known juicers before you start making shiat up. So what you are saying is that Pudge had a great year, and because he had 1 great year and lots of good years he had to have juiced just that one year (which just happened to be a contract year) right?
 
2012-04-25 10:08:41 AM

Rozotorical: Super Chronic: Rozotorical: Slg percentage

'93 412
'94 488
'95 449
'96 473
'97 484
'98 513
'99 558
'00 667
'01 541
'02 542


It is almost as if he hit his peak and held steady respectable numbers and then had a slow decline as he aged.

From .484 to .513 to .558 to .667 (ISO nearly doubling from .171 to .320 from age 26 to age 29) is holding "steady respectable numbers"?

(Also note, by way of comparison: last year's league leader in ISO was Jose Bautista at .306.)

Wait compare them to known juicers before you start making shiat up. So what you are saying is that Pudge had a great year, and because he had 1 great year and lots of good years he had to have juiced just that one year (which just happened to be a contract year) right?


What shiat did I make up, exactly? I'm not the one who looked at numbers that were the opposite of steady and called them "steady." I never even said he juiced. Stop projecting.
 
2012-04-25 04:03:46 PM
Anomalous years occur all the time in baseball. From Brady Anderson in 1996, Luis Gonzalez in 2001, to Davy Johnson in 1973. Take out Ivan's stats from 2000, and it's a pretty typical progression through a career peek. In addition, Pudge only played in 91 games that year, and odd things can happen in a partial season, stat-wise. George Brett only played in 117 games in 1980 when he hit .390, and barely qualified for the batting title. Tony Gwyn hit .394 in a strike shortened 1994, and Mike Schmidt had insane power numbers in 1981 in just 102 games.

I'm not saying Pudge didn't juice, but I think pulling out one anomalous, partial season as evidence is disingenuous.
 
2012-04-25 05:30:37 PM

PowerSlacker: Also, remember what else was happening in baseball in 1998. Pudge isn't an evil guy or anything. He was just doing what most of the other players were doing at the time.


So Powerslackoff what were you trying to say?
 
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