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2012-04-24 12:25:40 PM
It would have been ironic if it were the instructor, not the students. They're there because they don't know how to handle guns.
 
2012-04-24 12:38:30 PM
I bet it also rained on their wedding day
 
2012-04-24 01:00:42 PM

Mugato: It would have been ironic if it were the instructor, not the students. They're there because they don't know how to handle guns.


plus, there are guns there.
 
2012-04-24 01:11:01 PM
This wouldn't have happened if she had been armed, right?? :D
 
2012-04-24 01:12:14 PM
Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??
 
2012-04-24 01:37:22 PM

Mugato: It would have been ironic if it were the instructor, not the students. They're there because they don't know how to handle guns.


The way Fark reacts to irony, the tag should just be eliminated...irony doesn't exist here.

/yes, this story IS ironic
 
2012-04-24 01:40:15 PM
So he was 2 for 2. Good shot
 
2012-04-24 01:41:38 PM
This happened in Bedford, VA. If any of you has been to Bedford, you will know this wasn't so much an accident as it was a matter of time.
 
2012-04-24 01:41:54 PM
Good trigger control.
 
2012-04-24 01:42:27 PM

namatad: Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??


The one where the dumbass husband is convinced he knows what he's doing because he went deer hunting a few times, so he ignores the instructions of the trainers.

/there are accidents at Army rifle ranges for much the same reason and the troops are provided ammo there
 
2012-04-24 01:43:16 PM
Ha! 2nd Amendment FTW!
 
2012-04-24 01:43:24 PM
Isn't it ironic that irony trolls come into threads with the irony tag and tell people that ironic things aren't ironic? Ironic.
 
2012-04-24 01:44:00 PM

namatad: Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??


Do the instructors really have that much control over the students? What if a student showed up with a loaded weapon? What can the instructor really do?

I'm glad they're going to be okay. I hope they will either stick to the gun safety class or sell the gun.
 
2012-04-24 01:44:17 PM
This wasn't an accident, it was negligence...oblig

Also, why is this a national story? It is showing up on a lot major news sites. It's like a large part of the media has an agenda or something.
 
2012-04-24 01:45:05 PM
Hey man, nice shot
 
2012-04-24 01:45:32 PM

namatad: Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??


This. Nothing about that was an accident. Unless a firearm is found to be defective... once a round is chambered, anything that happens beyond that point is deliberate.
 
2012-04-24 01:45:51 PM
Never ever ever ever point a gun at something that you don't want destroyed by accident. Do we have to get laser sights for everyone so they don't point it at anything important?
 
2012-04-24 01:46:16 PM

Trivia Jockey: Mugato: It would have been ironic if it were the instructor, not the students. They're there because they don't know how to handle guns.

The way Fark reacts to irony, the tag should just be eliminated...irony doesn't exist here.

/yes, this story IS ironic



Would a student crashing a car during a driving lesson be ironic?
 
2012-04-24 01:46:21 PM

namatad: Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??


Are we sure this was ineptitude and not a clever way to shoot his wife without being arrested for it?
 
2012-04-24 01:46:37 PM
Like that idiot DEA agent that shot himself in the foot at that highschool...

"I'm the only one professional enough... BAM!"

hehe

Link
 
2012-04-24 01:46:39 PM
These are the people who can't wait to stand their ground.
 
2012-04-24 01:46:40 PM

hdhale: namatad: Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??

The one where the dumbass husband is convinced he knows what he's doing because he went deer hunting a few times, so he ignores the instructions of the trainers.

/there are accidents at Army rifle ranges for much the same reason and the troops are provided ammo there


Long years ago, the guy responsible for teaching cadets to shoot at a military school, told my grandfather that he'd served two tours in Korea without injury, but he'd been shot three times by cadets. I don't know if he was serious or kidding, but I've always thought that was the funniest story.
 
2012-04-24 01:47:10 PM

namatad: until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??


He DID shoot them.

Dino Zaffina: So he was 2 for 2. Good shot


Actually it sounds like the bullet went through his hand, and hit her leg. So he was 2 for 1. That makes him an even better shot.
 
2012-04-24 01:47:48 PM
I hope this isn't symbolic of his bedroom performances
 
2012-04-24 01:48:26 PM
no dick cheney jokes?
 
2012-04-24 01:49:51 PM

Dino Zaffina: So he was 2 for 2. Good shot


DINO MY MAN!
 
2012-04-24 01:50:11 PM

mab1823: These are the people who can't wait to stand their ground.


Well, hop on one foot and curse.
 
2012-04-24 01:50:31 PM
When I was trying to make ends meet in Hollywood, I worked as many odd jobs as I could. The gun safety class was the worst. Oddly, the class was made up of 1) little old ladies who bought a piece to protect themselves from gang bangers, 2) wannabe gang bangers who always held the gun sideways, and 3) the rare target shooting enthusiast who actually belonged in the class. It brought money in, though, so I suffered through their idiotic questions (no, you can't load the gun backwards and accidentally shoot yourself).

I crewed myself out of it though when I was contacted by one of the major studious to train a group of actors, a dozen or so, the basics of firearm usage. They said the movie was going to be an offbeat, modern western set in a parallel universe. Well, Saturday arrived, their van pulled up, and when the doors opened, my jaw dropped -- they were all monkeys. A dozen farking monkeys in cowboy hats, chaps, and little boots with spurs. I hate monkeys. And these were like full grown motherfarkers that could rip your arms off if they decided you weren't giving them Cheetos fast enough. I almost didn't go through with it.

But, they offered me more money, and I had rent to pay. So I took all the monkeys into the warehouse where I held the classes. The trainers helped me get them inside, and then they were like, "OK! See you in a few hours! Train em up good!" What kind of people would do that to someone? They were Russian, barely spoke English, and had no interest in my complaints.

I tried. I really did. I showed the monkeys how to check the safety and went over all the basic rules. All they wanted to do was wave the guns around and scream at each other. Finally, I just snapped. I went to the pistol closet and took out all of my 9mm, loaded them with full clips, and then set them in a pile in the middle of the room, safeties off. Then I got the fark out of there.

I stood outside, smoking a cigarette, and about five minutes later the shooting started, and the screaming, and the monkey dying. This went on for fifteen or twenty minutes. I knew I'd be screwed when the trainers came back, so I set the building on fire. Later, I got the insurance money, but they yanked my teaching license when the autopsies showed that the monkeys had multiple gunshot wounds.
 
2012-04-24 01:50:40 PM

Lunaville: Long years ago, the guy responsible for teaching cadets to shoot at a military school, told my grandfather that he'd served two tours in Korea without injury, but he'd been shot three times by cadets. I don't know if he was serious or kidding, but I've always thought that was the funniest story.


There was a story awhile back about a retired animal control officer being attacked and killed by a dog. I found that story funny and sad. More funny really.
 
2012-04-24 01:52:03 PM

Mugato: It would have been ironic if it were the instructor, not the students. They're there because they don't know how to handle guns.


It's still ironic.

If there's any place where people should be expected to handle firearms safely, it's at a firearms safety class. Both the teacher because of his training, but also the students, because they are (or should be) acting under the supervision and instruction of the teacher.
 
2012-04-24 01:52:17 PM

spentmiles: wannabe gang bangers who always held the gun sideways


OH, that's a kill shot.
 
2012-04-24 01:52:43 PM

drworm: no dick cheney jokes?


Nobody wants to face up to that.
 
2012-04-24 01:52:45 PM

ElLoco: WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??

This. Nothing about that was an accident.


This. It's been said and bears repeating. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ACCIDENT.

Michael Deel says the shooting was a "stupid accident." Stupid, yes. Accident, no. It was preventable. Never, under any circumstances, point a gun at something unless you want to shot/kill it. Period.
 
2012-04-24 01:53:22 PM

Lunaville: Long years ago, the guy responsible for teaching cadets to shoot at a military school, told my grandfather that he'd served two tours in Korea without injury, but he'd been shot three times by cadets. I don't know if he was serious or kidding, but I've always thought that was the funniest story.


I'd believe it. You just know that of all the guys joining a military school or the armed forces some percentage are there because they want to play with guns and have romanticized them. They probably think that that they know what they are doing too because they had a BB or pellet gun as a kid or in modern times because they are 'totally sick' at Call of Duty.
 
2012-04-24 01:54:08 PM

spentmiles: and the screaming, and the monkey dying




That's some good stuff there.
 
2012-04-24 01:54:16 PM

Mildot: I hope this isn't symbolic of his bedroom performances



Heh.
 
2012-04-24 01:55:03 PM
I refuse to believe that one magic bullet hit two people. I'm going with the "second shooter" theory on this story.

/back & to the left
 
2012-04-24 01:55:41 PM
spentmiles: a winner is you. Thank you so very much for this.
 
2012-04-24 01:56:16 PM

spentmiles: When I was trying to make ends meet in Hollywood, I worked as many odd jobs as I could. The gun safety class was the worst. Oddly, the class was made up of 1) little old ladies who bought a piece to protect themselves from gang bangers, 2) wannabe gang bangers who always held the gun sideways, and 3) the rare target shooting enthusiast who actually belonged in the class. It brought money in, though, so I suffered through their idiotic questions (no, you can't load the gun backwards and accidentally shoot yourself).

I crewed myself out of it though when I was contacted by one of the major studious to train a group of actors, a dozen or so, the basics of firearm usage. They said the movie was going to be an offbeat, modern western set in a parallel universe. Well, Saturday arrived, their van pulled up, and when the doors opened, my jaw dropped -- they were all monkeys. A dozen farking monkeys in cowboy hats, chaps, and little boots with spurs. I hate monkeys. And these were like full grown motherfarkers that could rip your arms off if they decided you weren't giving them Cheetos fast enough. I almost didn't go through with it.

But, they offered me more money, and I had rent to pay. So I took all the monkeys into the warehouse where I held the classes. The trainers helped me get them inside, and then they were like, "OK! See you in a few hours! Train em up good!" What kind of people would do that to someone? They were Russian, barely spoke English, and had no interest in my complaints.

I tried. I really did. I showed the monkeys how to check the safety and went over all the basic rules. All they wanted to do was wave the guns around and scream at each other. Finally, I just snapped. I went to the pistol closet and took out all of my 9mm, loaded them with full clips, and then set them in a pile in the middle of the room, safeties off. Then I got the fark out of there.

I stood outside, smoking a cigarette, and about five minutes later the shooting started, and the screaming, and the monkey dying. This went on for fifteen or twenty minutes. I knew I'd be screwed when the trainers came back, so I set the building on fire. Later, I got the insurance money, but they yanked my teaching license when the autopsies showed that the monkeys had multiple gunshot wounds.


Damn, dude. Racist much?
 
2012-04-24 01:56:34 PM
I would have sent him straight to the principal's office to explain himself.
 
2012-04-24 01:56:36 PM

spentmiles: When I was trying to make ends meet in Hollywood, I worked as many odd jobs as I could. The gun safety class was the worst. Oddly, the class was made up of 1) little old ladies who bought a piece to protect themselves from gang bangers, 2) wannabe gang bangers who always held the gun sideways, and 3) the rare target shooting enthusiast who actually belonged in the class. It brought money in, though, so I suffered through their idiotic questions (no, you can't load the gun backwards and accidentally shoot yourself).

I crewed myself out of it though when I was contacted by one of the major studious to train a group of actors, a dozen or so, the basics of firearm usage. They said the movie was going to be an offbeat, modern western set in a parallel universe. Well, Saturday arrived, their van pulled up, and when the doors opened, my jaw dropped -- they were all monkeys. A dozen farking monkeys in cowboy hats, chaps, and little boots with spurs. I hate monkeys. And these were like full grown motherfarkers that could rip your arms off if they decided you weren't giving them Cheetos fast enough. I almost didn't go through with it.

But, they offered me more money, and I had rent to pay. So I took all the monkeys into the warehouse where I held the classes. The trainers helped me get them inside, and then they were like, "OK! See you in a few hours! Train em up good!" What kind of people would do that to someone? They were Russian, barely spoke English, and had no interest in my complaints.

I tried. I really did. I showed the monkeys how to check the safety and went over all the basic rules. All they wanted to do was wave the guns around and scream at each other. Finally, I just snapped. I went to the pistol closet and took out all of my 9mm, loaded them with full clips, and then set them in a pile in the middle of the room, safeties off. Then I got the fark out of there.

I stood outside, smoking a cigarette, and about five minutes later the shootin ...


/ That'll get you favorited
 
2012-04-24 01:56:44 PM

ElLoco: namatad: Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??

This. Nothing about that was an accident. Unless a firearm is found to be defective... once a round is chambered, anything that happens beyond that point is deliberate.


THIS
thank you
THIS is the point I was trying to make.

Shooting someone is never, ever an accident.

An accident or mishap is an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance, often with lack of intention or necessity. It usually implies a generally negative outcome which may have been avoided or prevented had circumstances leading up to the accident been recognized, and acted upon, prior to its occurrence.

Did the tard PLAN on shooting his hand and wife? no.
Was it unforeseen? hell no.
Anyone who owns a gun KNOWS that bullets come out of the pointy end.
When you very young child finds your loaded gun and shoots himself dead. It is not an accident. It is NOT unforeseen. You KNEW that when you loaded the gun, that you had a child, that bullets come out of guns and that kids get INTO EVERYTHING. You were a dumbass leaving a gun where a kid could get it. It is not an accident.

When you leave a baby in a tub. and the baby drowns. it is not an accident.

/sigh - we are never going to win this one, are we.
/I had the BEST gun instructor. EVER.

1) your gun is ALWAYS LOADED
2) when you take your gun out and you KNOW that you put it away unloaded, it is STILL LOADED
3) your gun is ALWAYS LOADED
4) only point a gun at someone to kill them. period.
5) when you point a gun at someone, aim to kill and pull the trigger
6) NEVER point a gun at someone unless you are pulling the trigger and trying to kill them.
 
2012-04-24 01:56:52 PM

Lorelle: This wouldn't have happened if she had been armed, right?? :D


I am in awe of your biting wit. I wish I could make up awesome and completely original jokes on the spot like that! I'm actually feeling a bit apprehensive about posting this because I am clearly not playing at the same level as smart farkers like yourself. Keep up the good work!
 
2012-04-24 01:57:51 PM
Was his wife wearing a hoodie?
 
2012-04-24 01:57:58 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: namatad: until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??

He DID shoot them.

Dino Zaffina: So he was 2 for 2. Good shot

Actually it sounds like the bullet went through his hand, and hit her leg. So he was 2 for 1. That makes him an even better shot.


It makes him a camping bastard. No one likes a show off.
 
2012-04-24 01:58:16 PM
Michael Deel says the shooting was a "stupid accident."


No shiat? Really?
 
2012-04-24 01:58:47 PM

spentmiles: When I was trying to make ends meet in Hollywood, I worked as many odd jobs as I could. The gun safety class was the worst. Oddly, the class was made up of 1) little old ladies who bought a piece to protect themselves from gang bangers, 2) wannabe gang bangers who always held the gun sideways, and 3) the rare target shooting enthusiast who actually belonged in the class. It brought money in, though, so I suffered through their idiotic questions (no, you can't load the gun backwards and accidentally shoot yourself).

I crewed myself out of it though when I was contacted by one of the major studious to train a group of actors, a dozen or so, the basics of firearm usage. They said the movie was going to be an offbeat, modern western set in a parallel universe. Well, Saturday arrived, their van pulled up, and when the doors opened, my jaw dropped -- they were all monkeys. A dozen farking monkeys in cowboy hats, chaps, and little boots with spurs. I hate monkeys. And these were like full grown motherfarkers that could rip your arms off if they decided you weren't giving them Cheetos fast enough. I almost didn't go through with it.

But, they offered me more money, and I had rent to pay. So I took all the monkeys into the warehouse where I held the classes. The trainers helped me get them inside, and then they were like, "OK! See you in a few hours! Train em up good!" What kind of people would do that to someone? They were Russian, barely spoke English, and had no interest in my complaints.

I tried. I really did. I showed the monkeys how to check the safety and went over all the basic rules. All they wanted to do was wave the guns around and scream at each other. Finally, I just snapped. I went to the pistol closet and took out all of my 9mm, loaded them with full clips, and then set them in a pile in the middle of the room, safeties off. Then I got the fark out of there.

I stood outside, smoking a cigarette, and about five minutes later the shootin ...


FU
still cant stop laughing
 
2012-04-24 01:59:35 PM
First off you don't take a loaded .45 to gun safety class. Big fail on the instructor for letting that happen, unless he didn't know the moron had it. Stick to .22's and only load them when you are at the range facing a target.
 
2012-04-24 01:59:50 PM

hdhale: namatad: Michael Deel [the instructor] says the shooting was a "stupid accident."

1) man brought gun and ammo to class.
2) man loaded gun
3) man put finger on trigger
4) man pulled trigger
5) barrel was pointing at his hand
6) barrel was pointing at his wife

WHAT PART OF THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT??
WHAT PART OF GUN SAFETY allows students to have a loaded gun until they have learned the basic rule of NOT POINTING a gun at people unless you are going to shoot them??

The one where the dumbass husband is convinced he knows what he's doing because he went deer hunting a few times, so he ignores the instructions of the trainers.

/there are accidents at Army rifle ranges for much the same reason and the troops are provided ammo there


The first day of Advanced Rifle Marksmanship at my husband's BCT, his Drill Sergeants told everybody that if anyone was going to get fatally injured, it was most likely to happen on that day. DH's instructor told him, "If you farking kill me, I will come back from the dead and feed you your own d*ck!"

/No point, just thought the threat was hilarious.
//Of course, I was in the Air Force. Our Training Instructors didn't cuss at all.
 
2012-04-24 02:00:09 PM

Mugato: Trivia Jockey: Mugato: It would have been ironic if it were the instructor, not the students. They're there because they don't know how to handle guns.

The way Fark reacts to irony, the tag should just be eliminated...irony doesn't exist here.

/yes, this story IS ironic


Would a student crashing a car during a driving lesson be ironic?


No. It wasn't a class on how to use a gun, it was a gun safety class, as in how not to shoot yourself using your gun, then he shot himself.
 
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