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(Yahoo)   AZ legislature passes law demanding the federal government turn over title to 48,000 sq miles of federally owned land in the state. Federal government promises to get right on that the second the Federal Supremacy Clause is repealed   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 198
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2012-04-24 11:36:36 AM
You'll never convince the folks who legitimately believe that the states have the right to nullify laws and that the Supreme Court's opinion in Marbury v. Madison was wrong.
 
2012-04-24 11:51:27 AM
Yay! More bullshiat legislation to cost the people of AZ time and money as it goes through the process of being smacked down.
 
2012-04-24 12:07:43 PM
Good luck with that...
 
2012-04-24 12:09:22 PM
Election coming up.
 
2012-04-24 12:15:47 PM
Well, they are going to need land to build all those for profit prisons to house all those illegal immigrants...
 
2012-04-24 12:24:55 PM
It's fun watching Arizona legislate itself into bankruptcy.
 
2012-04-24 12:41:33 PM
Let them secede and live under the boot of Sheriff Joe like they so desperately want to.
 
2012-04-24 12:46:04 PM
I get election year pandering , but pandering to whom? Who is stupid enough to believe this will actually happen just because AZ says so? And if they know it won't ever happen why aren't they outraged over the waste of time and money this represents?

and if there is anyone under the illusion this will actually happen take a gander at this graphic:

blogs-images.forbes.com

The federal Government owns roughly 1/3 of all the land in the US, but the vast majority of it is in the west. here are the states with the least amount of federal land
1.Connecticut 0.4%
2.Rhode Island 0.4%
3.Iowa 0.8%
4.New York 0.8%
5.Maine 1.1%
6.Kansas 1.2%
7.Nebraska 1.4%
8.Alabama 1.6%
9.Ohio 1.7%
10.Illinois 1.8%

Now look at this list of state with the most:
1.Nevada 84.5%
2.Alaska 69.1%
3.Utah 57.4%
4.Oregon 53.1%
5.Idaho 50.2%
6.Arizona 48.1%
7.California 45.3%
8.Wyoming 42.3%
9.New Mexico 41.8%
10.Colorado 36.6%


Notice a pattern on the last list? If they did it for AZ they'd have to do it for all of them.
 
2012-04-24 12:51:15 PM
The Federal Government will gladly comply... assuming that Arizona's brought its checkbook.
 
2012-04-24 12:58:28 PM

Magorn: I get election year pandering , but pandering to whom? Who is stupid enough to believe this will actually happen just because AZ says so? And if they know it won't ever happen why aren't they outraged over the waste of time and money this represents?

and if there is anyone under the illusion this will actually happen take a gander at this graphic:


Yeah, for some reason private individuals just don't feel like they want to purchase huge tracts of barren desert. Arizona, in particular, already has a water problem, what exactly do they want to do with all this land, build condos?
 
2012-04-24 01:02:15 PM
When are we getting the Arizona Tag?
 
2012-04-24 01:02:31 PM

keylock71: Well, they are going to need land to build all those for profit prisons to house all those illegal immigrants...


Speaking of which, why wait until the illegals have crossed the border? What we should be doing is conducting cross border raids into Mexico to capture pre-illegals on their home turf so that we don't have to go to the trouble of tracking them down once they get into the United States.

Heck, we could even declare a war on (Mexican) immigration and make it all official. Can you imagine the beaming faces on all of the for profit prison CEOs?
 
2012-04-24 01:04:06 PM
I say let the government call the bluff. Cede every square inch of Arizona's federally owned land to the state on the condition that Arizona is 100% responsible for security, upkeep, and preservation.
 
2012-04-24 01:26:13 PM

Fubini: Arizona, in particular, already has a water problem, what exactly do they want to do with all this land, build condos?


They need more golf courses. With millions of baby boomers set to retire and move to Arizona, the current record number of courses aren't enough, they need to build more.

/Don't forget in many areas around Phoenix you are required by law to maintain a lawn using one of the least water friendly types of grass on the market.
 
2012-04-24 01:31:39 PM
I'm pretty sure that when the U.S. purchased the land from Mexico after war, that the Federal government paid for it. The federal government also paid for the war. So maybe Arizonans should STFU about the federal government.
 
2012-04-24 01:33:47 PM
Arizona would be the second state in the nation to enact such legislation. Last month, Utah Governor Gary Herbert signed a bill seeking to reclaim some 30 million acres of federally owned land in his state, shrugging off warnings from state attorneys that the measure was likely unconstitutional and would lead to a protracted yet futile legal battle.

fiscal conservatism strikes again.
 
2012-04-24 01:42:44 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: I say let the government call the bluff. Cede every square inch of Arizona's federally owned land to the state on the condition that Arizona is 100% responsible for security, upkeep, and preservation.


um.. no

because they don't want to preserve it.. they want to turn national parks into mining pits
 
2012-04-24 01:48:39 PM

kbronsito: I'm pretty sure that when the U.S. purchased the land from Mexico after war, that the Federal government paid for it. The federal government also paid for the war. So maybe Arizonans should STFU about the federal government.


The Gadsden Purchase was only the southern tracts of what is now Arizona and New Mexico. The rest of the New Mexico Territory (plus the lands that would become California and the Utah Territory) was straight-up conquest, ceded by Mexico in the treaty concluding the Mexican-American war.

So, yes, the Federal government paid for it all, whether by treasure alone or blood-and-treasure, but the territory wasn't just purchased after the war.

[the_more_you_know.jpg].

/Not meaning to be snarky, in case you knew that.
//But your meaning was unclear, and that's how bad information gets passed around.
///Because some Farkers will believe anything they read.
 
2012-04-24 01:53:23 PM

hubiestubert: Good luck with that...


If SCOTUS upholds SB1070, then the Supremacy Clause will be practically repealed anyway. IMO, that's a bridge too far, even for the Roberts court. The only way around it is to thread a insanely fine needle with their ruling.
 
2012-04-24 02:01:03 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: hubiestubert: Good luck with that...

If SCOTUS upholds SB1070, then the Supremacy Clause will be practically repealed anyway. IMO, that's a bridge too far, even for the Roberts court. The only way around it is to thread a insanely fine needle with their ruling.


You mean like explicitly saying that the majority opinion can never be used as precedent by any court? Or by changing the 230-year-old definition of the word "regulate"?
 
2012-04-24 02:02:37 PM
Sigh

The left v right battle continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose.
 
2012-04-24 02:04:57 PM

cman: Sigh

The left v right battle continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose.


i'm sorry, where in this proposed bill is the left represented?
 
2012-04-24 02:06:08 PM

BKITU: kbronsito: I'm pretty sure that when the U.S. purchased the land from Mexico after war, that the Federal government paid for it. The federal government also paid for the war. So maybe Arizonans should STFU about the federal government.

The Gadsden Purchase was only the southern tracts of what is now Arizona and New Mexico. The rest of the New Mexico Territory (plus the lands that would become California and the Utah Territory) was straight-up conquest, ceded by Mexico in the treaty concluding the Mexican-American war.

So, yes, the Federal government paid for it all, whether by treasure alone or blood-and-treasure, but the territory wasn't just purchased after the war.

[the_more_you_know.jpg].

/Not meaning to be snarky, in case you knew that.
//But your meaning was unclear, and that's how bad information gets passed around.
///Because some Farkers will believe anything they read.


The U.S. did pay Mexico for the territory it won in the war. Sure Mexico had no choice but to sell... and we farked them in the price, but the U.S. did pay.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War#Treaty_of_G u adalupe_Hidalgo

In return, Mexico received US $18,250,000[54] ($490,223,077 today)-less than half the amount the U.S. had attempted to offer Mexico for the land before the opening of hostilities[55]-and the U.S. agreed to assume $3.25-million ($87,300,000 today) in debts that the Mexican government owed to U.S. citizens.[14]
 
2012-04-24 02:06:39 PM

thomps: cman: Sigh

The left v right battle continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose.

i'm sorry, where in this proposed bill is the left represented?


The fact that this shiat never happened until Obama came into the White House indicates that it is a left v right battle.
 
2012-04-24 02:09:34 PM

cman: thomps: cman: Sigh

The left v right battle continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose.

i'm sorry, where in this proposed bill is the left represented?

The fact that this shiat never happened until Obama came into the White House indicates that it is a left v right battle.


that implies that the left is engaged in the battle. this just seems to be a battle of arizona's right wing vs. the constitution.
 
2012-04-24 02:13:39 PM

thomps: cman: thomps: cman: Sigh

The left v right battle continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose.

i'm sorry, where in this proposed bill is the left represented?

The fact that this shiat never happened until Obama came into the White House indicates that it is a left v right battle.

that implies that the left is engaged in the battle. this just seems to be a battle of arizona's right wing vs. the constitution.


Fine, let me rephrase it:

Sigh

The partisan bullshiat continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose

/Maybe this will be a better indicator of my thought process
 
2012-04-24 02:17:05 PM
Sell it to them at market price as a single lot.
 
2012-04-24 02:17:06 PM

Cagey B: Let them secede and live under the boot of Sheriff Joe like they so desperately want to.


New ad currently on Fark:

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Awesome.
 
2012-04-24 02:19:48 PM

cman: thomps: cman: thomps: cman: Sigh

The left v right battle continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose.

i'm sorry, where in this proposed bill is the left represented?

The fact that this shiat never happened until Obama came into the White House indicates that it is a left v right battle.

that implies that the left is engaged in the battle. this just seems to be a battle of arizona's right wing vs. the constitution.

Fine, let me rephrase it:

Sigh

The partisan bullshiat continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose

/Maybe this will be a better indicator of my thought process


i don't think this is rank partisanship though. i think this is another volley by sagebrush rebels to try to gain the ability to give private use of public lands (e.g. mining, logging) away to corporations. it's been going on for decades.
 
2012-04-24 02:38:22 PM

kbronsito: The U.S. did pay Mexico for the territory it won in the war. Sure Mexico had no choice but to sell... and we farked them in the price, but the U.S. did pay.


Toh-MAY-toh / Hee-DAL-goh. ;)

We may just be arguing semantics here. For me, the victor dictating cession of enormous chunks of land for a relative pittance in return... I can't in good conscience call that "paid for the land" in the sense of the Louisiana Purchase or the Alaska Purchase. Granted, it was probably cheaper to make the payment than to continue the hostilities, but the ceded lands were absolutely a spoil of war. As far as I'm concerned, when the alternative to the purchase is "... or we'll just occupy the lands by force over the next year or two, so you might as well take the money and have fewer of your people killed," that's conquest.

Like I said, it's probably semantics.
 
2012-04-24 02:53:20 PM
If the federal government doesn't want the land anymore they really should give Mexico a chance to make the first offer on the land. I'm sure AZ would understand.
Maybe Mexico would be willing to then turn around and sell it to AZ. I'm sure there wouldn't be any hard feelings about that whole sb 1070 thing.
 
2012-04-24 02:57:13 PM
Came looking for the Hedley Lamar picture.. Left disappointed..
 
2012-04-24 03:15:29 PM

whyerhead: Came looking for the Hedley Lamar picture.. Left disappointed..


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-04-24 03:17:35 PM
Let's just give them back to Mexico. Would anything of value be lost?
 
2012-04-24 03:17:47 PM
Arizona, please change your state motto to "Land of Dipshiats and Assholes".
 
2012-04-24 03:18:03 PM
I wish Arizona could choose more interesting topics to launch battles over. . . Especially if I'll be hearing about it for the next week.
 
2012-04-24 03:21:30 PM
Of all the things that will be invoked to support the inevitable no answer, I don't think the supremacy clause will top the list.
 
2012-04-24 03:21:34 PM
Arizona Republicans: "give us free stuff!"

Red State welfare queens.
 
2012-04-24 03:22:03 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: whyerhead: Came looking for the Hedley Lamar picture.. Left disappointed..

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x212]


THAT'S HEDLEY!

/Land, land... land... Land snatching. See: Snatch
 
2012-04-24 03:22:04 PM

Magorn: I get election year pandering , but pandering to whom? Who is stupid enough to believe this will actually happen just because AZ says so? And if they know it won't ever happen why aren't they outraged over the waste of time and money this represents?

and if there is anyone under the illusion this will actually happen take a gander at this graphic:

[blogs-images.forbes.com image 480x395]

The federal Government owns roughly 1/3 of all the land in the US, but the vast majority of it is in the west. here are the states with the least amount of federal land
1.Connecticut 0.4%
2.Rhode Island 0.4%
3.Iowa 0.8%
4.New York 0.8%
5.Maine 1.1%
6.Kansas 1.2%
7.Nebraska 1.4%
8.Alabama 1.6%
9.Ohio 1.7%
10.Illinois 1.8%

Now look at this list of state with the most:
1.Nevada 84.5%
2.Alaska 69.1%
3.Utah 57.4%
4.Oregon 53.1%
5.Idaho 50.2%
6.Arizona 48.1%
7.California 45.3%
8.Wyoming 42.3%
9.New Mexico 41.8%
10.Colorado 36.6%


Notice a pattern on the last list? If they did it for AZ they'd have to do it for all of them.


That was pretty cool that they made the federal land look exactly like a small scale replica of the state it was in.
 
2012-04-24 03:22:16 PM
They just want it to be State-owned land so the State can tell it for peanuts to private industry. Governor Daniels has done that crap all over Indiana.
 
2012-04-24 03:22:20 PM
Got this in an email. Barely relevant beyond the mention of AZ but I do appreciate that crazy-right emailers have taken the time to learn to embed their crazy-ass font changes into a graphic; in case the email loses formatting through multiple forwards.

img713.imageshack.us
 
2012-04-24 03:23:14 PM

cman: thomps: cman: Sigh

The left v right battle continues to fall into idiotic territory and it is we the people who lose.

i'm sorry, where in this proposed bill is the left represented?

The fact that this shiat never happened until Obama came into the White House indicates that it is a left v right battle.


So you"re going with: because Obama's existence as President has driven the GOP mad, this is a bipartisan issue.
 
2012-04-24 03:24:54 PM

Rich Cream: Got this in an email. Barely relevant beyond the mention of AZ but I do appreciate that crazy-right emailers have taken the time to learn to embed their crazy-ass font changes into a graphic; in case the email loses formatting through multiple forwards.

[img713.imageshack.us image 450x327]


Umm, can someone explain to me the point of that graphic?
 
2012-04-24 03:25:14 PM

kbronsito: I'm pretty sure that when the U.S. purchased the land from Mexico after war, that the Federal government paid for it. The federal government also paid for the war. So maybe Arizonans should STFU about the federal government.


You are pretty square on. They conquered half of it and purchased the other half.

THEN they fought the Indian Wars. They started with the Navajo and ended with the Apache (both in AZ). They funded the building of dams and canals that feed this state water. They mapped the entire state and helped railroads and lumber and mining companies find the best locations. They brought in air force and other military bases to help train pilots during WW2- and caused a massive boom to both population and the economy which saw many defense industries rise up in Arizona.

They also told miners and other exploiters to go to hell and established National Parks, which Arizona relies on for money.
 
2012-04-24 03:25:28 PM
Yeah, Utah's trying this shiat... THey think they can do it using eminent Domain laws, so their plan is to seize this land, pay the feds "fair market value", fight it through years and years of court battles, then try and sell it to mining and oil companies, and turn around and take the money(After paying back all of the money spent to get this far in the process) and make it be all about "education". So, 40 years down the road, the kids might see some of this money... Except that Utah has this uncanny knack for taking "education" funding and diverting it to other projects, never replacing it, which is apparently legal here...

BTW, we call these "Message Bills", and they waste about 80% of our Legislative Session. Glad to see someone is beating Utah to the Stupid Punch again. Funny how it's always Az.
 
2012-04-24 03:25:46 PM

cman: Rich Cream: Got this in an email. Barely relevant beyond the mention of AZ but I do appreciate that crazy-right emailers have taken the time to learn to embed their crazy-ass font changes into a graphic; in case the email loses formatting through multiple forwards.

[img713.imageshack.us image 450x327]

Umm, can someone explain to me the point of that graphic?


Addendum: I am not asking why you posted it, I just dont see the point the author of the graphic was trying to display
 
2012-04-24 03:26:13 PM
The federal government owns nearly the entire state of NV? I know that most of that state is mountains and desert, but even so, that just doesn't seem possible.
 
2012-04-24 03:26:52 PM
I wonder how similar the Arizona bill is to the "Sagebrush Rebellion Act", created by the Heartland Institute and ALEC...
 
2012-04-24 03:27:13 PM

Dinobot: When are we getting the Arizona Tag?


When you pry it from our retarded, wrinkled & arthritic hands. img1.fark.net
 
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