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(Baltimore Sun)   Deep down in places you don't talk about you know. You want the Department of Homeland Security on that wall. YOU NEED THEM ON THAT WALL. Protecting us from counterfeit NFL jerseys   (baltimoresun.com) divider line 85
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2012-04-24 08:51:51 AM  
If someone wears a counterfeit jersey, the terrorists win.
 
2012-04-24 09:01:06 AM  
Hope and Change, am I right?

Not even Bush did something like this
 
2012-04-24 09:04:18 AM  

cman: Hope and Change, am I right?

Not even Bush did something like this


DHS was doing crap like this during his administration too. It's farking retarded, but it isn't new.
 
2012-04-24 09:24:07 AM  
U.S. Customs Service has been doing this kind of thing forever. It just rolled into the DHS along with the INS and and a bunch of other stuff back in 2003.
 
2012-04-24 11:30:14 AM  
ok, lets get this out of the way first - selling counterfeit items is a crime. it's copyright infringement and you should do it. But...why the hell is the Department of Homeland Security raiding a gotdamn flea market over counterfeit tee-shirts!?

nowhere in the DHS charter does it say that their job is to spend 2 years going after someone for selling knock off DVDs and crappy rip off shoes. their job is specifically anti-terrorism, and it is extremely well defined as such. Granted, selling knock off shoes IS a crime and the cops SHOULD stop it when they see it...but this is not a federal crime. And even if you somehow managed to squeeze this through the door as a federal crime, it's NOT a job for the DHS. the FBI maybe...but not Homeland Security.

This is NOT THEIR JOB! WTF man!?
 
2012-04-24 11:39:15 AM  

Weaver95: ok, lets get this out of the way first - selling counterfeit items is a crime. it's copyright infringement and you should do it. But...why the hell is the Department of Homeland Security raiding a gotdamn flea market over counterfeit tee-shirts!?


If they have this much time on their hands, we don't need quite so much Homeland Security, now, do we? I wonder where all the savings can go.

I have no problem with a federal law enforcement agency prosecuting criminal copyright. Homeland Security seems a tad overdoing it. Isn't the FBI still in business?
 
2012-04-24 11:44:34 AM  

Galloping Galoshes:

I have no problem with a federal law enforcement agency prosecuting criminal copyright. Homeland Security seems a tad overdoing it. Isn't the FBI still in business?


that's what I don't understand. this *might* be an FBI case, but I doubt it'd be a big time deal for 'em. the DHS went all out tho, to include an undercover investigation culminating in a raid by guys with guns and warrants. on a podunk flee market? seriously - how much product can some place like that push anyways? not much i'll bet. And even so, EVEN IF they pushed a couple/few million in crappy tee-shirts a year it's STILL not a homeland security issue. this would be a matter for the civil courts or maybe the FBI to deal with, not homeland security.

this is insane.
 
2012-04-24 11:57:22 AM  

Weaver95: this is insane.


They're trying to justify their continued existence. I agree with UnderArmor that counterfeiting is an economic threat, and I don't mind better enforcement. Use of Homeland Security, though, is way over the top.

Now that I think about it, though, most of this stuff comes from China. You think a message might be being sent?
 
2012-04-24 11:59:48 AM  

Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: this is insane.

They're trying to justify their continued existence. I agree with UnderArmor that counterfeiting is an economic threat, and I don't mind better enforcement. Use of Homeland Security, though, is way over the top.

Now that I think about it, though, most of this stuff comes from China. You think a message might be being sent?


if there's a message, there's too much drool involved for me to figure it out.

WTF man...this isn't the job of homeland security.
 
2012-04-24 12:46:50 PM  

Weaver95: ok, lets get this out of the way first - selling counterfeit items is a crime. it's copyright infringement and you should do it. But...why the hell is the Department of Homeland Security raiding a gotdamn flea market over counterfeit tee-shirts!?

nowhere in the DHS charter does it say that their job is to spend 2 years going after someone for selling knock off DVDs and crappy rip off shoes. their job is specifically anti-terrorism, and it is extremely well defined as such. Granted, selling knock off shoes IS a crime and the cops SHOULD stop it when they see it...but this is not a federal crime. And even if you somehow managed to squeeze this through the door as a federal crime, it's NOT a job for the DHS. the FBI maybe...but not Homeland Security.

This is NOT THEIR JOB! WTF man!?


Because terrorists.
 
2012-04-24 12:47:24 PM  

Weaver95: Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: this is insane.

They're trying to justify their continued existence. I agree with UnderArmor that counterfeiting is an economic threat, and I don't mind better enforcement. Use of Homeland Security, though, is way over the top.

Now that I think about it, though, most of this stuff comes from China. You think a message might be being sent?

if there's a message, there's too much drool involved for me to figure it out.

WTF man...this isn't the job of homeland security.


America's security lies in her commerce. Innovation has long been the hallmark of American society, not bound to aristocratic titles or universities with royal charters, coming from the barns, basements, and garages or ordinary citizens. It is the free, or minimally restricted trade of these products and ideas that has built America into the economic powerhouse it is today. This, above all, must be safeguarded for it is the wellspring from which all our prosperity flows.

This is very much the business of the Department of Homeland Security.
 
2012-04-24 12:47:46 PM  

Weaver95: Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: this is insane.

They're trying to justify their continued existence. I agree with UnderArmor that counterfeiting is an economic threat, and I don't mind better enforcement. Use of Homeland Security, though, is way over the top.

Now that I think about it, though, most of this stuff comes from China. You think a message might be being sent?

if there's a message, there's too much drool involved for me to figure it out.

WTF man...this isn't the job of homeland security.


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Well if they aren't doing their job, rounding up foreigners living in the US under false pretense, then they may as well go after Americans at flea markets. It beats having them just sitting around.
 
2012-04-24 12:48:09 PM  
Dept. of Homeland Security = Dept. of Corporate Security
 
2012-04-24 12:48:14 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: Weaver95: Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: this is insane.

They're trying to justify their continued existence. I agree with UnderArmor that counterfeiting is an economic threat, and I don't mind better enforcement. Use of Homeland Security, though, is way over the top.

Now that I think about it, though, most of this stuff comes from China. You think a message might be being sent?

if there's a message, there's too much drool involved for me to figure it out.

WTF man...this isn't the job of homeland security.

America's security lies in her commerce. Innovation has long been the hallmark of American society, not bound to aristocratic titles or universities with royal charters, coming from the barns, basements, and garages or ordinary citizens. It is the free, or minimally restricted trade of these products and ideas that has built America into the economic powerhouse it is today. This, above all, must be safeguarded for it is the wellspring from which all our prosperity flows.

This is very much the business of the Department of Homeland Security.


-1/10.
 
2012-04-24 12:49:59 PM  
In a statement Sunday, Under Armour said: "Individuals who produce and sell counterfeit goods harm the American economy. The reality of counterfeiting is that it's much greater than just buying a knock off item at a discounted price, it's a multibillion dollar a year problem that undermines corporations."

Yeah, it undermines the practice of making something in Taiwan for about $3.75, slapping some logos on it and raising the price to north of $300.

If that were my business plan, I'd be sore about counterfeiters too.
 
2012-04-24 12:51:11 PM  
chud.com
 
2012-04-24 12:51:37 PM  

Weaver95: ok, lets get this out of the way first - selling counterfeit items is a crime. it's copyright infringement and you should do it. But...why the hell is the Department of Homeland Security raiding a gotdamn flea market over counterfeit tee-shirts!?

nowhere in the DHS charter does it say that their job is to spend 2 years going after someone for selling knock off DVDs and crappy rip off shoes. their job is specifically anti-terrorism, and it is extremely well defined as such. Granted, selling knock off shoes IS a crime and the cops SHOULD stop it when they see it...but this is not a federal crime. And even if you somehow managed to squeeze this through the door as a federal crime, it's NOT a job for the DHS. the FBI maybe...but not Homeland Security.

This is NOT THEIR JOB! WTF man!?


Well it isn't like they were created out of thin air. They were merged together from god-knows-what other fuss-budget departments. That, and this is homeland security... just not yours... they are protecting the interests of your copyright owning overlords.
 
2012-04-24 12:51:41 PM  
they would end up by shutting down most of down town manhattan
 
2012-04-24 12:52:01 PM  
YOUREGODAMNRIGHTIDO!

/sorry about the caps
//off to RTFA...
 
2012-04-24 12:53:26 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: ok, lets get this out of the way first - selling counterfeit items is a crime. it's copyright infringement and you should do it. But...why the hell is the Department of Homeland Security raiding a gotdamn flea market over counterfeit tee-shirts!?

If they have this much time on their hands, we don't need quite so much Homeland Security, now, do we? I wonder where all the savings can go.

I have no problem with a federal law enforcement agency prosecuting criminal copyright. Homeland Security seems a tad overdoing it. Isn't the FBI still in business?


Between DHS and the 20-some-odd intelligence agencies, I think there's a fair amount of graft we can cut...
 
2012-04-24 12:54:09 PM  
TSA- protecting big business and their terribly ovepriced merchandise.

Why don't they check a Kenyan birth certificate?
 
2012-04-24 12:54:35 PM  

Weaver95: ok, lets get this out of the way first - selling counterfeit items is a crime. it's copyright infringement and you should do it.


I'm being charged with a crime? Is that what this is? I'm being charged with a crime? This is funny. That's what this is. This is... I'm gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull!
 
2012-04-24 12:56:23 PM  
GO JETTS!
 
2012-04-24 12:56:25 PM  
I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket the Thai children provide, then questions the manner in which I mark up 700%.
 
2012-04-24 12:58:57 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: They're trying to justify their continued existence.


I doubt it. My bet is that this is just another case of "pay for play". The ideals of American government established in legacy programs like the USPS is that we're willing to tolerate inefficiency and deficit for equality. For example, if you pay to have a letter shipped ten miles or from Backwater, Maine to effin' Guam, it costs the same. FedEx will charge you based on the distance, which ironically hits the small-government rural folks the hardest. Anyway, that model has been viciously and tirelessly attacked for four decades now; as a result most of the public is trending against "my taxes paying for others' benefit". But this invariably results in government services chasing the most lucrative revenue streams -- just like any business.

Considering the airlines are deemed a "vital public service" or whatever so they'll be bailed out ad infinitum, the DHS doesn't answer to them anyway and the public doesn't expect anything from the DHS to begin with, there's no incentive to actually take security seriously beyond a political level. But if Senator Quimby's SuperPAC gets $50k from the NFL, you can bet he'll slip an earmark into the next defense spending bill to allocate DHS resources to chase counterfeit swag. And they'll vote for it because anyone who votes against funding the military to prevent this derp will be voted out next election for being unpatriotic. Granted this is all speculation, but I'm just demonstrating that this is how U.S. politics works these days. I don't know the specifics of how this story came to be, but it most definitely wasn't the result of some national referendum.
 
Ehh
2012-04-24 01:00:17 PM  
Weaver95: ok, lets get this out of the way first - selling counterfeit items is a crime. it's copyright infringement and you should do it. But...why the hell is the Department of Homeland Security raiding a gotdamn flea market over counterfeit tee-shirts!?

Because the federal government now exists to do the bidding of large corporations.
 
2012-04-24 01:00:53 PM  
As long as China exists, the world will have a place to buy counterfeit NFL jerseys for practically nothing.

Not that I'd ever do such a thing.
 
2012-04-24 01:02:43 PM  
Baltimore: where selling a counterfeit jersey of a player is a bigger crime than the murder said player committed.



2 and a half year investigation? They've been selling counterfeit movies and music there as long as I can remember. At least back to the early 80's. It's not that hard to figure out. When the Video you buy has a black and white photo copy serving as the cover... probably not real.

Oh, and Star Wars was not released on a Maxell Tape with with words "Star Warz" written on it in Sharpie.
 
2012-04-24 01:04:09 PM  
Well, they have to do something now that the war on terror is over.
 
2012-04-24 01:04:55 PM  

Bobo_Spiewack: Oh, and Star Wars was not released on a Maxell Tape with with words "Star Warz" written on it in Sharpie.


pfft, not since stupid george lucas started re-releasing it, anyway.
 
2012-04-24 01:04:55 PM  
The Joe Biden of Agencies

pssst - when HS was formed, every related agency was required to task a proportionate number of people from their agencies to staff the start-up of this new agency. If you had a chance to dump deadwood do-nothing lumpen under federal requirement, wouldn't you? and that's that story.
 
2012-04-24 01:06:30 PM  
It's not that hard to figure out. The current administration pays its campaigning bills with money with a huge "Tough on Piracy" string attached. And now, a Federal intelligence liaison department that covers everything it does with Patriot Act Voodoo is fulfilling the administration's end of that bargain.

Politics as usual, nothing to see here.

Unless, of course, you object to this level of corruption.
 
2012-04-24 01:08:16 PM  
I thought I didn't talk about these things "at parties" ... not at "you know" ...
 
2012-04-24 01:08:26 PM  
In one instance in which undercover agents bought goods from vendors there, 34 of 38 items were found to be counterfeit. During the same outings on March 31 and April 1, agents bought a set of novelty contact lenses found to be dangerous. The lenses could fuse to the eye causing permanent vision loss, according to the affidavit.

if you buy your contact lenses from a flea market, you probably weren't doing anything useful with your eye-sight anyway.
 
2012-04-24 01:08:36 PM  
Pfft...quit charging $200 for a 'real' jersey then. Sheesh.
 
2012-04-24 01:08:39 PM  
If they have time for this crap the war must be over. They need to be disbanded.
 
2012-04-24 01:10:35 PM  
what criminal charges do you charge someone with when they sell unlicensed sports apparel?
 
2012-04-24 01:12:43 PM  

thomps: In one instance in which undercover agents bought goods from vendors there, 34 of 38 items were found to be counterfeit. During the same outings on March 31 and April 1, agents bought a set of novelty contact lenses found to be dangerous. The lenses could fuse to the eye causing permanent vision loss, according to the affidavit.



I hear that can be nasty...

www.freepresshouston.com
 
2012-04-24 01:12:51 PM  
www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com
 
2012-04-24 01:17:00 PM  

thomps: In one instance in which undercover agents bought goods from vendors there, 34 of 38 items were found to be counterfeit. During the same outings on March 31 and April 1, agents bought a set of novelty contact lenses found to be dangerous. The lenses could fuse to the eye causing permanent vision loss, according to the affidavit.

if you buy your contact lenses from a flea market, you probably weren't doing anything useful with your eye-sight anyway.


pretty much...sheesh...contacts arent' that damn expensive...sheesh.
 
2012-04-24 01:17:01 PM  

SandMann: If they have time for this crap the war must be over. They need to be disbanded.


Well, according to Obama admin., the war on terror is over. TSA needs to go now too.

Link
 
2012-04-24 01:18:23 PM  
Capping a 2 1/2-year-long investigation into counterfeit apparel and accessories as well as pirated DVDs and musical recordings... Federal authorities released few details about the raid, but the affidavit details several undercover operations

They spent two and a half years sending guys into the flea market to buy knockoffs. This unit must be where they put the agents who were looking for bin Laden under the Bush Administration.
 
2012-04-24 01:19:44 PM  
The terrorists have won.
 
WGJ
2012-04-24 01:20:23 PM  
I was at a flea market years ago and my buddy asked the guy who was selling $10 Rolex's if they were real. The guy answered, "I certainly hope not".
 
2012-04-24 01:23:22 PM  

King Something: The terrorists have won.


I wondered why Obama says the war on terror is over, now i know.
 
2012-04-24 01:24:25 PM  
To Serve and Protect Corporate Interests
 
2012-04-24 01:24:56 PM  
Department of Corporate Enforcement
"Ver ist ein EULA, swinehunden?"
 
2012-04-24 01:25:08 PM  

cman: Hope and Change, am I right?

Not even Bush did something like this


WTF are you talking about , are you retarded?
 
2012-04-24 01:29:46 PM  
In the comments section of tFA, a person who claimed to have been there said that the LEOs were going after the sellers of three brands (not named) while the other peddlers of similar (counterfeit) were left to carry on (and did so).

Makes me wonder...
 
2012-04-24 01:30:19 PM  
DHS is cobbled together from dozens of other departments including this:

Link
 
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