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2012-04-24 12:05:14 PM  

Desquamation: Expolaris: I'm in advertising and i farking hate commercials.


You must work in traffic. :D


15 :60's for tomorrow morning? And they'll be arriving today around 4:58pm? Sure why not!
 
2012-04-24 12:05:21 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: I'm sure it's coming...it's been brought up repeatedly over the years 'in the industry' and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the hardware and software the providers use flag the commercials and prevent it...gotta justify those high priced ads somehow, can't ask top dollar when people skip 'em anyway.


That assumes that all DVR software will honor it. The DVR units provided by cable and sat companies probably would, but I bet that many DVR packages for HTPCs and game consoles will not.


UtileDysfunktion: It's a shame trying to watch an old, classic tv show that you know has been hacked to bits to make room for all the commercials.


Or worse, they speed the show up. One of our local TV stations shows old episodes of Law & Order, and you can tell that they sped the frame rate up by about 5%. It gave me a headache the one time I tried watching it.
 
2012-04-24 12:07:10 PM  
When a pirated version of your product is better than the real thing, you've got a problem.
 
2012-04-24 12:07:31 PM  

sure haven't: Of course you'd need to have cooperation with the internet providers to remove bandwidth caps.


Also, about 1/3 of the US still doesn't have access to high speed internet...usually rural areas...where TV is watched the most because there isn't anything else to do.
 
2012-04-24 12:07:36 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Desquamation: ihatedumbpeople: Just wait until those DVRs don't let you skip over commercials.

Probably won't happen... Since they've just started inserting commercials directly into the scripts of most broadcast shows.

/Thanks TiVo!

This last season of House is horrible at doing that.


As is Bones, Fringe and damn near every other show I watch on Fox.
 
2012-04-24 12:09:23 PM  
I think eventually all the channels will start using the bottom corner of the screen to run continuous ads during the program. Most already do this for promos.
 
2012-04-24 12:09:58 PM  
I remember last season on Sons of Anarchy, the season opener was going to be 90 minutes. Well the first 20 or so minutes went by fine then it would go 5 minutes of show 5 minutes of commercials. Annoying as hell. Doubt it was much longer than a regular episode.
 
2012-04-24 12:13:26 PM  
If you're the honest type: Don't watch it live. Wait for Netflix streaming, buy on Amazon/Google Play/iTunes or buy/rent on DVD/BD when it becomes available.

If you're the impatient but less-honest type: Torrent the show and watch it a couple hours after it airs, then buy the DVD/BD when it becomes available.

If you're the dishonest type: Torrent the show and watch it a couple hours after it airs, then rent/rip/return the DVD/BD when it becomes available.

If you're a sucker: Watch the show live and suffer through the advertisements, losing 20+ minutes of your life in the process, while simultaneously ruining the pacing of the show.

/Of course, this doesn't apply to sitcoms, which are made to be watched with breaks on network TV.
//But for drama, action, science fiction, and horror? Commercials suck.
 
2012-04-24 12:15:35 PM  

sure haven't: Desquamation: Expolaris: I'm in advertising and i farking hate commercials.


You must work in traffic. :D

15 :60's for tomorrow morning? And they'll be arriving today around 4:58pm? Sure why not!


That's why I got the fark out of that part of the business (production, not traffic, but the deadlines are equally absurd).
 
2012-04-24 12:17:45 PM  

Desquamation: As is Bones, Fringe and damn near every other show I watch on Fox.


Does Subway have a deal with Community?

/that episode hurt. The premise was great, but they should have used a fictional corporation.
 
2012-04-24 12:18:06 PM  
"please stand by while we pause for station identification. This is WSBK, tv38, Boston. Now back to Boston Bruins hockey"
 
2012-04-24 12:21:18 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Desquamation: As is Bones, Fringe and damn near every other show I watch on Fox.

Does Subway have a deal with Community?

/that episode hurt. The premise was great, but they should have used a fictional corporation.


I assume so... It's probably going to be the same thing they did with Chuck.

Honestly I'll take that over the type of shiat Fox is pulling... The last episode of Bones was just painful.
 
2012-04-24 12:22:48 PM  
I watched a movie on Crackle recently, and they had a forced commercial break every 10 minutes or so. It was the same ad, every time, in which these two DJ guys (brothers? I don't know. I didn't pay attention.) talk about their preference for the ad's Blackberry gadget, and they end the ad saying "we need tools... not toys." in this lame, non-committal voice.

By the third time this played, I was asking myself what the advertiser hoped to accomplish by making me watch the same ad over and over. If I wasn't interested in your product the first time I saw the ad, surely you must understand that repeated viewings take me from indifference to hatred pretty quickly.

As a result of seeing that ad so many times, I've decided I hate Blackberry and don't want one of their products. So... Job well done? Yay advertising?
 
2012-04-24 12:29:42 PM  

ZeroCorpse:
By the third time this played, I was asking myself what the advertiser hoped to accomplish by making me watch the same ad over and over. If I wasn't interested in your product the first time I saw the ad, surely you must understand that repeated viewings take me from indifference to hatred pretty quickly.

As a result of seeing that ad so many times, I've decided I hate Blackberry and don't want one of their products. So... Job well done? Yay advertising?


That probably has more to do with Crackle either being unable to sell any additional space so they ran one spot over and over or they're trying some sort of target advertising (like Hulu) and their implementation blows. Since it's Crackle I'll put my money on nobody buying space.
 
2012-04-24 12:30:23 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I watched a movie on Crackle recently, and they had a forced commercial break every 10 minutes or so. It was the same ad, every time, in which these two DJ guys (brothers? I don't know. I didn't pay attention.) talk about their preference for the ad's Blackberry gadget, and they end the ad saying "we need tools... not toys." in this lame, non-committal voice.

By the third time this played, I was asking myself what the advertiser hoped to accomplish by making me watch the same ad over and over. If I wasn't interested in your product the first time I saw the ad, surely you must understand that repeated viewings take me from indifference to hatred pretty quickly.

As a result of seeing that ad so many times, I've decided I hate Blackberry and don't want one of their products. So... Job well done? Yay advertising?


But you don't understand, watch it again.
this 10 month old cell phone can change your life, just look at those "DJ" brothers who no one has ever heard of. They run their "business" so effectively.

/sarcasm off/
They don't care, advertising is sold based on impressions, that's it. They sell Blackberry on the fact that you are a (INSERT DEMOGRAPHIC INFO), who will end up seeing their ad 3 times. 3 times! Can you tell me if traditional cable can promise that? Hmph, I didn't think so!
 
2012-04-24 12:31:36 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I watched a movie on Crackle recently, and they had a forced commercial break every 10 minutes or so. It was the same ad, every time, in which these two DJ guys (brothers? I don't know. I didn't pay attention.) talk about their preference for the ad's Blackberry gadget, and they end the ad saying "we need tools... not toys." in this lame, non-committal voice.

By the third time this played, I was asking myself what the advertiser hoped to accomplish by making me watch the same ad over and over. If I wasn't interested in your product the first time I saw the ad, surely you must understand that repeated viewings take me from indifference to hatred pretty quickly.

As a result of seeing that ad so many times, I've decided I hate Blackberry and don't want one of their products. So... Job well done? Yay advertising?


Yeah, Crackle isn't bad...good free service and the ads, though repetitive at times, and thankfully pretty short (15-20 seconds)
 
2012-04-24 12:36:30 PM  

ZeroCorpse: I watched a movie on Crackle recently, and they had a forced commercial break every 10 minutes or so. It was the same ad, every time, in which these two DJ guys (brothers? I don't know. I didn't pay attention.) talk about their preference for the ad's Blackberry gadget, and they end the ad saying "we need tools... not toys." in this lame, non-committal voice.

By the third time this played, I was asking myself what the advertiser hoped to accomplish by making me watch the same ad over and over. If I wasn't interested in your product the first time I saw the ad, surely you must understand that repeated viewings take me from indifference to hatred pretty quickly.

As a result of seeing that ad so many times, I've decided I hate Blackberry and don't want one of their products. So... Job well done? Yay advertising?


I have a feeling it wasn't the advertiser's plan. I bet Crackle didn't have many ads in its rotation so you kept getting the only one a company actually paid for.

I've been thinking about cutting the cable but just can't do it. I think I'm too passive about when shows are on and just wouldn't go online the next day to watch. Does any online site have something like a DVR queue where shows just drop in a list waiting for you to watch?
 
2012-04-24 12:41:54 PM  

Desquamation: I assume so... It's probably going to be the same thing they did with Chuck.

Honestly I'll take that over the type of shiat Fox is pulling... The last episode of Bones was just painful.


I dunno, it's just as bad. Usually advertisers can be quite subtle... how about just using shows as brand name exposure, not direct pitching? If on Community, for example, they just happened to have a Subway store in the cafeteria with signage, but never mention the name of the store and never focus on it, I would be okay with that.

But subtlety seems to be entirely lost on these TV people. Sprint with Fringe and Hyundai on Burn Notice were painfully, painfully obvious.
 
2012-04-24 12:45:51 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Desquamation: As is Bones, Fringe and damn near every other show I watch on Fox.

Does Subway have a deal with Community?

/that episode hurt. The premise was great, but they should have used a fictional corporation.


Yeah, but since it struggles in the ratings I understand, the network probably didn't give them a choice. Arrested Development did it with Burger King.
 
2012-04-24 12:46:35 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Desquamation: I assume so... It's probably going to be the same thing they did with Chuck.

Honestly I'll take that over the type of shiat Fox is pulling... The last episode of Bones was just painful.

I dunno, it's just as bad. Usually advertisers can be quite subtle... how about just using shows as brand name exposure, not direct pitching? If on Community, for example, they just happened to have a Subway store in the cafeteria with signage, but never mention the name of the store and never focus on it, I would be okay with that.

But subtlety seems to be entirely lost on these TV people. Sprint with Fringe and Hyundai on Burn Notice were painfully, painfully obvious.


At least shows like Community and 30 Rock (Can, we have our money now?) make fun of the what they're being forced to do. When Bones (I keep using this because I think it's the worst offender aside from that bit in Hawaii Five-0) writes it into the dialog and tries to play it off as a casual conversation between the characters it shatters my suspension of disbelief and takes me out of the show.
 
2012-04-24 12:49:20 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: Desquamation: I assume so... It's probably going to be the same thing they did with Chuck.

Honestly I'll take that over the type of shiat Fox is pulling... The last episode of Bones was just painful.

I dunno, it's just as bad. Usually advertisers can be quite subtle... how about just using shows as brand name exposure, not direct pitching? If on Community, for example, they just happened to have a Subway store in the cafeteria with signage, but never mention the name of the store and never focus on it, I would be okay with that.

But subtlety seems to be entirely lost on these TV people. Sprint with Fringe and Hyundai on Burn Notice were painfully, painfully obvious.


Toyota on Bones is pretty obvious too. They'll be driving in Sweets' Prius and he'll mention some new feature on the car...
 
2012-04-24 12:49:58 PM  

Desquamation: When Bones (I keep using this because I think it's the worst offender aside from that bit in Hawaii Five-0) writes it into the dialog and tries to play it off as a casual conversation between the characters it shatters my suspension of disbelief and takes me out of the show.


Yep...that's what I was referring to, didn't see the second half of your post until I hit submit. ;-)
 
2012-04-24 12:54:09 PM  
There was a time when one sponsor would underwrite a series, "Phillip Morris presents I Love Lucy!" which would include an ad somewhere with the stars doing an on-set commercial for the product i.e., the Flinstones for Winston cigarettes. Back when, you would still occasionally catch a bit of "Brought to you by...." on the syndicated episodes of shows like Bewitched, or My Three Sons.

Nothing new under the sun, just more ways of doing the same thing.

/i still use "many blessings on your house and puppies" from the old Johnny Carson Alpo spots from the Tonight show.
 
2012-04-24 12:57:10 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: Desquamation: When Bones (I keep using this because I think it's the worst offender aside from that bit in Hawaii Five-0) writes it into the dialog and tries to play it off as a casual conversation between the characters it shatters my suspension of disbelief and takes me out of the show.

Yep...that's what I was referring to, didn't see the second half of your post until I hit submit. ;-)


I think the most unrealistic part in the series was when Brennan went from a sweet Mercedes (I want to say it was an SL) to a Prius... Nobody does that. Even if they were buried alive in one.
 
2012-04-24 01:07:36 PM  
, super-imposed omnipresent station logos, constant pop-ups and scrollbars, half-screen high-speed credits, show times that start 1-5 minutes off schedule intentionally,
 
2012-04-24 01:13:37 PM  

SnarfVader: Sir Cumference the Flatulent: SnarfVader: People watch TV with commercials?

My wife does. I could just as soon do without.


I have never owned a television that was not forced upon me by a woman. Premarried: No TV. Got married. TV. Got divorced. No TV. Got married. TV.

I draw the line at *one* TV in the house, and under no circumstance is the thing allowed in the bedroom.
 
2012-04-24 01:27:19 PM  

Dahnkster: Cake Hunter: Three words: Bisquick lamb anus.

Now with MORE anus!
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Dude! Seriously? So gross!
 
2012-04-24 01:29:45 PM  

ihatedumbpeople: But subtlety seems to be entirely lost on these TV people. Sprint with Fringe and Hyundai on Burn Notice were painfully, painfully obvious.

Toyota on Bones is pretty obvious too. They'll be driving in Sweets' Prius and he'll mention some new feature on the car...



And Ford on White Collar, where the agents will be conspicuously using some GPS feature, and the whole setup of the shot is just so clunky.

/Anybody remember the old days when movies actually had anti-placement? "Attention all cars, be on the lookout for a black sedan!" You know, that would be a lot easier if we knew the make and model...
 
2012-04-24 02:15:52 PM  
i don't know. i actually enjoy the Directv commercials that all but just come out and say that Dish Network sacrifices babies to satan.
 
2012-04-24 02:37:11 PM  
It sucks watching older shows. They've increased the number of commercials but don't increase the alotted time for the show. So they end up editing out a small portion of the show to accomodate the commercials.
 
2012-04-24 02:50:07 PM  

Gilligann: It sucks watching older shows. They've increased the number of commercials but don't increase the alotted time for the show. So they end up editing out a small portion of the show to accomodate the commercials.


Not a small portion.

For sitcoms from the 50s through the 80s, 3 to 4 minutes of show are edited out. Hourlong dramas lose 6 to 8 minutes.


Dinjiin: ihatedumbpeople: I'm sure it's coming...it's been brought up repeatedly over the years 'in the industry' and I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the hardware and software the providers use flag the commercials and prevent it...gotta justify those high priced ads somehow, can't ask top dollar when people skip 'em anyway.

That assumes that all DVR software will honor it. The DVR units provided by cable and sat companies probably would, but I bet that many DVR packages for HTPCs and game consoles will not.


UtileDysfunktion: It's a shame trying to watch an old, classic tv show that you know has been hacked to bits to make room for all the commercials.

Or worse, they speed the show up. One of our local TV stations shows old episodes of Law & Order, and you can tell that they sped the frame rate up by about 5%. It gave me a headache the one time I tried watching it.


Speaking of Law and Order, from what I've read, Universal went back and digitally inserted Coca Cola products into any scene where someone had a soda for the syndicated versions of the shows.

That's farkin' hardcore.

However, you're right that old L&O episodes from the Michael Moriarty/Chris Noth pre-Jerry Orbach days have been time compressed. The shows ran 47 minutes. But, at least with time compression, there aren't 4 minutes of show hacked out.

/that era has also been cropped to widescreen, because they didn't start filming for widescreen until somewhere in season 4.
 
2012-04-24 02:52:10 PM  
Every show I watch is available as a nice commercial free xvid file within hours of it airing. Play on WD TV live from computer, watch at own leisure whenever I want. Along with Netflix I can't imagine going back to the dark ages of watching "television". Silly peasants.
 
2012-04-24 03:14:16 PM  

Skyfrog: Every show I watch is available as a nice commercial free xvid file within hours of it airing. Play on WD TV live from computer, watch at own leisure whenever I want. Along with Netflix I can't imagine going back to the dark ages of watching "television". Silly peasants.


*facepalm*

And if everyone on earth did that? There would be no more TV shows.
I hate paying for shiat too, but it's a necessary evil. And right now, we 'pay for it' by having ads thrown at us.

That's not the next step of delivering TV shows to consumers.

/this is coming from someone who also enjoys said xvids
 
2012-04-24 03:27:00 PM  
sports are impossible to watch without the dvr. i find that i can get through a near 4 hour NFL game in less than 2 hours via dvr.

i've also noticed that some shows that i dvr have devised a trick for those of us that speed through the commercials during playback: they cut to a snipit of the show - like a sort of teaser, so i click "play" cause it seems the show is coming back, but no no gullible one... it's right back to more commercials.

i'm betting that some farker out there is in the "biz" & that they know the rates spike just after that little teaser, knowing that they'll catch a few more views for that product.

/or my tinfoil hat is on too tight.
 
2012-04-24 03:49:39 PM  

Skyfrog: Every show I watch is available as a nice commercial free xvid file within hours of it airing. Play on WD TV live from computer, watch at own leisure whenever I want. Along with Netflix I can't imagine going back to the dark ages of watching "television". Silly peasants.


Sweet, so you are going to be the one to blame when product placement explodes in TV shows worse then it already is!

29.media.tumblr.com
/"It's like people only do these things because they can get paid. And that's just really sad. "
 
2012-04-24 04:07:33 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: But subtlety seems to be entirely lost on these TV people. Sprint with Fringe and Hyundai on Burn Notice were painfully, painfully obvious.


I watched an episode of House where two of the women were driving around, and one says, "Is this your new car?" etc. and then the other woman started blabbing about how it can back itself up and parallel park, and then they demonstrated it, and I almost cried.

I didn't realize it was so blatant in every show. I really don't pay much attention to what's going on when the TV is on, but I actually watch House. And that was such an obvious commercial right on the show.

/I don't remember what kind of car it was. Ha, ha, advertisers.
 
2012-04-24 04:10:37 PM  

cryinoutloud: Seth'n'Spectrum: But subtlety seems to be entirely lost on these TV people. Sprint with Fringe and Hyundai on Burn Notice were painfully, painfully obvious.

I watched an episode of House where two of the women were driving around, and one says, "Is this your new car?" etc. and then the other woman started blabbing about how it can back itself up and parallel park, and then they demonstrated it, and I almost cried.

I didn't realize it was so blatant in every show. I really don't pay much attention to what's going on when the TV is on, but I actually watch House. And that was such an obvious commercial right on the show.

/I don't remember what kind of car it was. Ha, ha, advertisers.


That was earlier in the season.

They did it again with Taub just a couple weeks back.

It's a shame this deal wasn't in place last season, I would have loved to hear about how great the airbags and safety features were on the car House drove through the front of Cuddy's home was.
 
2012-04-24 04:36:02 PM  

FirstNationalBastard:
It's a shame this deal wasn't in place last season, I would have loved to hear about how great the airbags and safety features were on the car House drove through the front of Cuddy's home was.


That was a K car... He's lucky he even made it through the wall in the first place.
 
2012-04-24 07:05:27 PM  

Desquamation: FirstNationalBastard:
It's a shame this deal wasn't in place last season, I would have loved to hear about how great the airbags and safety features were on the car House drove through the front of Cuddy's home was.
That was a K car... He's lucky he even made it through the wall in the first place.


Jeez. LOL.
 
2012-04-24 07:32:14 PM  

Desquamation: FirstNationalBastard: Desquamation: ihatedumbpeople: Just wait until those DVRs don't let you skip over commercials.

Probably won't happen... Since they've just started inserting commercials directly into the scripts of most broadcast shows.

/Thanks TiVo!

This last season of House is horrible at doing that.

As is Bones, Fringe and damn near every other show I watch on Fox.



That's the silent beauty of Mad Men. The entire show is based around an ad agency and its employees, so every plot thread and episode is a meta-ad.

Ever seen a TV show plug both Coke and Pepsi within an hour? Now you can!

/still a good show
//not as good as it used to be...
 
2012-04-24 08:09:23 PM  
I've turned into the guy from The Onion article. Oh, I don't have a turtleneck and I do actually OWN a tv (tube), but it's used 99% for Netflix. My wife watches news in the morning and that's about it. We haven't had cable in 10 years and have never missed it.
 
2012-04-24 08:33:40 PM  
Cut cable. I got an antenna for local sports. Crystal clear Cowboys, Rangers and Mavs.

Stream or, ahem, borrow everything else.
 
2012-04-24 09:21:11 PM  
We just made the switch to Apple TV and shaved about $60 off our cable bill per month by getting the most basic local package. Being the honest types we buy season passes for everything we want to watch. No commercials to ff through and we can go back and watch it whenever we want.
 
2012-04-24 09:40:04 PM  

Skyfrog: Every show I watch is available as a nice commercial free xvid file within hours of it airing. Play on WD TV live from computer, watch at own leisure whenever I want. Along with Netflix I can't imagine going back to the dark ages of watching "television". Silly peasants.


And what's your backup when the Commies blow up the Interweb?
 
2012-04-24 11:22:48 PM  

Optimal_Illusion: There was a time when one sponsor would underwrite a series, "Phillip Morris presents I Love Lucy!" which would include an ad somewhere with the stars doing an on-set commercial for the product i.e., the Flinstones for Winston cigarettes. Back when, you would still occasionally catch a bit of "Brought to you by...." on the syndicated episodes of shows like Bewitched, or My Three Sons.

Nothing new under the sun, just more ways of doing the same thing.

/i still use "many blessings on your house and puppies" from the old Johnny Carson Alpo spots from the Tonight show.


Still done this way in Japan, listed right after the opening credits. They also include in the closing credits all the brands used in the show (clothing or otherwise). Just checked the credits of the drama I watched today - 58 brands listed.

What's interesting is how 'usual suspecty' it is. This show is almost ALWAYS brought to you by Unilever, Ajinomoto, Este, Suntory, NTT docomo, Proctor & Gamble, and Toyota.
 
2012-04-25 12:53:09 AM  

Forgot_my_password_again: when I lived in Germany many years ago they had the commercials all at once. at first it was weird, but I came to like it.


I do too. It's like a mini intermission and not as distracting as commercials every 15 minutes.
 
2012-04-25 07:28:07 AM  
I just watch Hulu, the average commercial break is 30-60 seconds. A half hour program has 3-4 commercials and an hour long one has 4-6. Watching 5 minutes of ads per hour is much better than 15-20 minutes.

I'm not real sure why so many have a problems with product placement on TV either. Back in the day when they used to make props of every day items because they didn't want to give away any free publicity always seemed ignorant to me. I'd rather see someone drinking from a can of Coke or eating a bag or Doritos then some stupid fictional product. It gives the show more realism.
 
2012-04-25 08:21:47 AM  

cryinoutloud: Seth'n'Spectrum: But subtlety seems to be entirely lost on these TV people. Sprint with Fringe and Hyundai on Burn Notice were painfully, painfully obvious.

I watched an episode of House where two of the women were driving around, and one says, "Is this your new car?" etc. and then the other woman started blabbing about how it can back itself up and parallel park, and then they demonstrated it, and I almost cried.

I didn't realize it was so blatant in every show. I really don't pay much attention to what's going on when the TV is on, but I actually watch House. And that was such an obvious commercial right on the show.

/I don't remember what kind of car it was. Ha, ha, advertisers.


I personally got a kick out of the Nissan Versa commercial that was integrated into Heroes. Jesus that sucked. It wasn't even a cool car.
 
2012-04-27 04:04:06 PM  

sure haven't: Skyfrog: Every show I watch is available as a nice commercial free xvid file within hours of it airing. Play on WD TV live from computer, watch at own leisure whenever I want. Along with Netflix I can't imagine going back to the dark ages of watching "television". Silly peasants.

*facepalm*

And if everyone on earth did that? There would be no more TV shows.
I hate paying for shiat too, but it's a necessary evil. And right now, we 'pay for it' by having ads thrown at us.

That's not the next step of delivering TV shows to consumers.

/this is coming from someone who also enjoys said xvids


I pay for nearly everything, between Netflix and DVDs. There are some really old obscure shows that simply aren't available anywhere. Playing the what if game, if everyone did download all their shows (even though they don't) TV shows wouldn't go away. The industry would adapt and offer better ways to purchase them. It's time for the old dinosaurs in Hollywood to either evolve or die out.
 
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