No love for Measure of a Man? That was the first episode I made my wife watch, and it got her hooked.

Mugato: bhcompy: Generations never gets any love, but Malcolm McDowell was great

Generations doesn't deserve any. That nonsensical plot had more holes than my liver. But yeah, Malcom McDowell was cool.

Generations is underrated and doesn't deserve the hate. I didn't hear these complaints from Trekkers back in 1994, then again there wasn't an omnipresent internet group of fanboys telling people what they should hate.

You had the Enterprise-D destroyed and crashing. A planet destroyed by shockwave. Soran was pretty badass. Data finally getting emotions and his reactions were fun. The film had plenty of flaws (such as making Captain Harriman a total boob to make Kirk look good) but it was a fun ride, and nowhere near the nadir that was Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

BKITU: Confabulat: That was such a drawback to TNG's storytelling. Picard lives an entire alternate life and everyone forgets about it for next week's episode and forever again.

Status Quo is God

The lack of a long-term story arc can be a negative in regard to in-depth storytelling, but the lack of arc also makes the show more accessible. You can take Joe Schmoe off the street who has never seen an episode, show him "The Inner Light," and he won't feel like he doesn't understand what's going on because he doesn't understand the back-stories of all the characters involved.

Now show him the most recent episode of "Mad Men." He'll be lost. The show is exceptionally well-written and compelling, but anybody who wants to watch new episodes has to be brought up to speed. That makes the show difficult to expand beyond an already-hooked audience.

tl;dr -- Long story arcs are good for storytelling, bad for syndication.

tl:dr is the name of the game now.

The need for syndication serialization is all but dead due to new broadcast mediums and ways of delivery. Just today a buddy said he got hooked on Heros, and like that Season 1 & 2 are on their way from netflix.

I'm glad to see The Inner Light as the best TNG episode, because it is. However, seeing Darmok on most people's top 5/10 list make me want to hurl. I don't understand all the love to that episode. Trying to wait for Picard to figure out what everyone else figured out a long time ago to speak in metaphor was mindnumbing.

frepnog: wippit: I want to see someone re-do the fight scenes in Yesterday's Enterprise with some real good CGI effects.

wonder if the blu-ray editions will clean that up.

Thankfully they are not.

But by all means, Some web Trekkies should start a pet project and torrent the spliced versions. CBS? No way, look at the FUBAR CGI in TOS, when they had to budget for both restoration and new stuff.

Still, in YE there's not much going on that deserves a redo anyways. Klingon's attack, ship moves into singularity. Making things a little less stationary isn't that big of a deal.

Fark_Guy_Rob: MonkeyAngst: "The Inner Light" was a really good one. Unfortunately, I was really disappointed by the way it was handled subsequently.

Which is to say, it wasn't.

Glad the writer had the same problem.

When you think about it, Picard is like a Holocaust survivor in the sense that he lived in entire lifetime and everyone he loved in it was killed. But in the show, in the next episode, it was like nothing had happened.

If Picard's 50 (I know, someone probably knows his exact age and birthday. I don't.) and he lived out another 50 years on the planet, he's now a 100-year-old man in a 50-year-old's body. His career in Starfleet, which he relegated to a dream years ago, is a distant memory. He hasn't seen his friends in half a century. He's already gone through an acceptance process that his life was a lie, and now he's forced to do it again. And basically he just snaps out of it.

The 24th century must have amazing shrinks.

I remember complaining about that very thing after seeing the episode the first time.

They then went on to fix this kind of BS in DS9, only to go back to TNG and dial the WTF to 79 in VOY.

Captain Janeway was one crazy, irrational, emotionally unstable sociopath via what the writers did to her character over 7 years. She makes Mitt Romney look like a steward of steadiness and rationality.

TyrantII: Still, in YE there's not much going on that deserves a redo anyways. Klingon's attack, ship moves into singularity. Making things a little less stationary isn't that big of a deal.

K'Vort class battle cruiser Klingon ships = Birds of Prey with their wings up. Insulting.

Enterprise-C: model was designed to be put together cheaply/quickly and easily as possible. Ends up being the *ugliest* Enterprise ever. Google Andy Probert's original Ambassador-class design which was recently "built" (in CG) by Tobias Richter. Richter has already "built" a CG Enterprise-D for use in TNG-HD, so it would be sooooo good if they used his new Ambassador as well.

Besides, most of the modelwork in that episode was done at 30fps instead of the necessary 24fps for HD. It's going to look crappier than ever.

NeoCortex42: Mugato: bhcompy: Generations never gets any love, but Malcolm McDowell was great

Generations doesn't deserve any. That nonsensical plot had more holes than my liver. But yeah, Malcom McDowell was cool.

Considering all the omnipotent beings Kirk successfully went up against, I'm still amazed they killed him off by way of gravity.

Don't worry, they brought him back as a borg zombie...

which brings me to a Trek pet peeve. You have thousands of worlds and trillions of sentient beings, yet both the legit and fan fiction always seems to go back and redo the same flipping stuff over and over. Any time someone dies, a way to bring them back to life is found. It's making superhero comic book authors blush, it's gotten so bad. Nothing bad ever happens to mains. Hell, They were going to bring back Tucker in ENT right in front of your eyes.

Which kind of made me respect JJ destroying Vulcan in his new universe...

It was a big FU to those who can't see the need for exploring the universe beyond TNG/DS9/TOS. I think supposedly there's 9 trillion people in the federation. I'm sure there's plenty of new stories to be told with them!

Time to move on. Like Spiner said, there's something comical about an ageless android running around the set in wrinkles and falling out of his uniform because he's now fat and old.

Creoena: I'm glad to see The Inner Light as the best TNG episode, because it is. However, seeing Darmok on most people's top 5/10 list make me want to hurl. I don't understand all the love to that episode. Trying to wait for Picard to figure out what everyone else figured out a long time ago to speak in metaphor was mindnumbing.

Yes, but it did give us the "with sweat, and dead man's balls" meme that for inexplicable reasons makes me laugh my ass off.

Mugato: peterthx: You had the Enterprise-D destroyed and crashing. A planet destroyed by shockwave. Soran was pretty badass. Data finally getting emotions and his reactions were fun. The film had plenty of flaws (such as making Captain Harriman a total boob to make Kirk look good) but it was a fun ride, and nowhere near the nadir that was Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

At least V made sense. Picard's leaving the Nexus and can go anywhere at any time we wants and instead of going back and throwing Soren in the bring the moment he met him, he went back to 5 minutes before Soren destroyed the star and drags Kirk with him. And I didn't need the internet to figure that out, I yelled it at the screen back in 1994.

Or the fact that ships can't get you in the Nexus... ok.... isn't that what airlocks are for?

Nah, lets destroy a few entire star systems so I don;t have to deal with a claustrophobic space suit.

The acting was good, the FX was cool, great cinematography and the B/C plots were fine. But the main plot was DOA because it didn't make any logical sense. It was a giant nonsensical mcguffin to carry the movie, and it failed.

Heck, even First Contact ran into those issues, but they were overlooked because it had more action to appease that crowd.

Smaug and Star Trek - was this the nerd issue of Forbes?

/am using nerd as a term of praise

BKITU: Long story arcs are good for storytelling, bad for syndication.

Which is just one more reason that pre-taped, scheduled TV should (and will) die.

TOS: Balance of Terror......City......Mirror, Mirror
TNG: Inner Light......Darmok.....Yesterday's Enterprise

TyrantII: Or the fact that ships can't get you in the Nexus... ok.... isn't that what airlocks are for?

Nah, lets destroy a few entire star systems so I don;t have to deal with a claustrophobic space suit.

If a ship can't safely approach the Nexus "core" without being severely damaged or destroyed (as Data notes in the Stellar Cartography sequence when Picard asks why Soran doesn't try to simply fly into it) how is someone in a EVA suit going to get into it? Imagine a guy in space suit trying to walk into the eye of a tornado. If you were anchored to the planet (as Soran was on Veridian III)...

As to going back only so far: Picard probably didn't want to take chances on corrupting the timeline. Real reason? Budget. I'm sure the producers would have loved to have him go back to when Soran was about to launch the solar probe into the Armagosa star and battle Lursa & B'etor but the budget was already stretched to breaking.

Didn't bug me. I've been with TREK since the beginning and there were far worse plot holes than the ones being presented here as evidence against GENERATIONS.

I liked how Picard's flute was one of the gifts that Peter said he wanted. He was in the survey...

Generations was a hand off movie from TOS to TNG, Kirk meets Picard...
Somebody took that idea and wrote a crappy storyline around it....

/um
//Picard gets to meet Kirk

Sorry Subs, but Parallels was the best episode.

/hot like a Deltan

DamnYankees

And just for fun, here are my top 20 episodes of Star Trek (not including TOS). I wanted to do a list of 10, but couldn't whittle it down.


17) Brothers (TNG)

o.O Brothers? The episode that removed any doubt what depraved a-holes the TNG crew were? Yeah we're going to sit here in orbit and watch an entire planet of sentient beings burn to death while our leader (captain surrender) stands here pontificating on how it's the "Just" and "Honorable" thing to do.

Fark every last one of them.

//// you also had an Enterprise episode on the list

Masaka is waking...

You should all know that this weekend, for the first time in over 20 years, the entire ST:TNG cast is reuniting at the Calgary Comic & Entertainment Expo.

Mugato

>>> peterthx: You had the Enterprise-D destroyed and crashing. A
>>> planet destroyed by shockwave. Soran was pretty badass.
>>> Data finally getting emotions and his reactions were fun....

At least V made sense. Picard's leaving the Nexus and can go anywhere at any time we wants and instead of going back and throwing Soren in the bring the moment he met him, he went back to 5 minutes before Soren destroyed the star and drags Kirk with him. And I didn't need the internet to figure that out, I yelled it at the screen back in 1994.

Also, lets not forget that the only reason captain surrender (picard) even got Kirk, was that Guinen (sp) could not come with him.

So in Captain Kirk, hero of the Federation is second choice behind a fat female bartender?

peterthx: Mugato: bhcompy: Generations never gets any love, but Malcolm McDowell was great

Generations doesn't deserve any. That nonsensical plot had more holes than my liver. But yeah, Malcom McDowell was cool.

Generations is underrated and doesn't deserve the hate. I didn't hear these complaints from Trekkers back in 1994, then again there wasn't an omnipresent internet group of fanboys telling people what they should hate.

You had the Enterprise-D destroyed and crashing. A planet destroyed by shockwave. Soran was pretty badass. Data finally getting emotions and his reactions were fun. The film had plenty of flaws (such as making Captain Harriman a total boob to make Kirk look good) but it was a fun ride, and nowhere near the nadir that was Star Trek V: The Final Frontier.

Star Trek: Generations is the stupidest film ever made. It ruined everything.

Mugato: peterthx: As to going back only so far: Picard probably didn't want to take chances on corrupting the timeline. Real reason? Budget

It wouldn't have stretched the budget for him to go back to when he first met Soren. Face it, it's a hole you could fit a Dyson Sphere into.

peterthx: I've been with TREK since the beginning and there were far worse plot holes than the ones being presented here as evidence against GENERATIONS.

I can't think of any.

Yup, Kirk does exactly what Soran doesn't, to get to the same place. And he survived explosive decompression to boot.

As for other plot holes, or just lazy writing, there's plenty. But movies are supposed to be better experiences. Pretty much all of the TNG movies could have been 1-2 part episodes and no one would have cared either way, and enjoyed them. That they wasted silver screen time on them... well... yeah.

As for Kirk, he should have gone out in a big moment of self sacrifice. Instead they turned it into 20 min of self sacrifice cut with the crashing D. It really sucked any meaning out of it, and the speech before keeling over was campy as all hell. That's shiat right out of TOS, and not needed if you just fell 100 meters to your death.

They should have kept the original ending, but Kirk should have jumped in the line of fire of an exposed Picard, instead of getting shot in the back.

Dunno, if I had to choose I'd probalby go for the episode where Picard got Borg'ed and we got to see a real captain take over the ship and express his disgust at the soft crew.

Patrick Stewart's a great actor, but I was kind of hoping Picard would never come back at that point.

Unsung_Hero: Dunno, if I had to choose I'd probalby go for the episode where Picard got Borg'ed and we got to see a real captain take over the ship and express his disgust at the soft crew.

Patrick Stewart's a great actor, but I was kind of hoping Picard would never come back at that point.

Yeah, Clarence Bodicker was a badass in that episode.

OnlyM3: o.O Brothers? The episode that removed any doubt what depraved a-holes the TNG crew were? Yeah we're going to sit here in orbit and watch an entire planet of sentient beings burn to death while our leader (captain surrender) stands here pontificating on how it's the "Just" and "Honorable" thing to do.

Fark every last one of them.

Unsung_Hero: Dunno, if I had to choose I'd probalby go for the episode where Picard got Borg'ed and we got to see a real captain take over the ship and express his disgust at the soft crew.

Patrick Stewart's a great actor, but I was kind of hoping Picard would never come back at that point.

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Did the article refer to the episode where Jean Luc was marooned on a desert planet and was forced to mine for some kind of drug?

Oh wait

TyrantII: frepnog: wippit: I want to see someone re-do the fight scenes in Yesterday's Enterprise with some real good CGI effects.

wonder if the blu-ray editions will clean that up.

Thankfully they are not.

But by all means, Some web Trekkies should start a pet project and torrent the spliced versions. CBS? No way, look at the FUBAR CGI in TOS, when they had to budget for both restoration and new stuff.

Still, in YE there's not much going on that deserves a redo anyways. Klingon's attack, ship moves into singularity. Making things a little less stationary isn't that big of a deal.

I liked the Remastered versions of TOS, the CGI worked fine. You know that they were trying to keep with the look of the original models and such, right?

peterthx: TyrantII: Or the fact that ships can't get you in the Nexus... ok.... isn't that what airlocks are for?

Nah, lets destroy a few entire star systems so I don;t have to deal with a claustrophobic space suit.

If a ship can't safely approach the Nexus "core" without being severely damaged or destroyed (as Data notes in the Stellar Cartography sequence when Picard asks why Soran doesn't try to simply fly into it) how is someone in a EVA suit going to get into it? Imagine a guy in space suit trying to walk into the eye of a tornado. If you were anchored to the planet (as Soran was on Veridian III)...

As to going back only so far: Picard probably didn't want to take chances on corrupting the timeline. Real reason? Budget. I'm sure the producers would have loved to have him go back to when Soran was about to launch the solar probe into the Armagosa star and battle Lursa & B'etor but the budget was already stretched to breaking.

Didn't bug me. I've been with TREK since the beginning and there were far worse plot holes than the ones being presented here as evidence against GENERATIONS.

But Guinan and the other refugees they rescued had already partly gone into the Nexus before being beamed out. If they had stayed on the ship when it was destroyed, they'd have been taken completely into the Nexus. Soran could have easily grabbed a shuttle and flown full speed into the ribbon and gotten in.

My biggest complaint is how the battle between the Enterprise-D and the Duras sisters' Bird-of_Prey went. The flagship of the Federation gets its ass kicked by a faulty antique, and Riker orders ONE FREAKING PHASER SHOT before resorting to the traditional technobabble bullshiat. One. Freaking. Shot. And that did absolutely nothing. Were the phaser banks on the fritz or something?

The Inner Light was great, but I always thought the Moriarity Episodes were better. And, of course, the best episodes were the few that featured Ashley Judd in a tight jumpsuit. Rawr.

Keizer_Ghidorah: But Guinan and the other refugees they rescued had already partly gone into the Nexus before being beamed out. If they had stayed on the ship when it was destroyed, they'd have been taken completely into the Nexus. Soran could have easily grabbed a shuttle and flown full speed into the ribbon and gotten in.

Maybe, maybe not. They were "phasing" into the Nexus before the ship was destroyed. In any case, you'd presume Soran couldn't afford a ship sizeable enough to enter the Nexus and stay together long enough for him to "phase" into it.

My biggest complaint is how the battle between the Enterprise-D and the Duras sisters' Bird-of_Prey went. The flagship of the Federation gets its ass kicked by a faulty antique, and Riker orders ONE FREAKING PHASER SHOT before resorting to the traditional technobabble bullshiat. One. Freaking. Shot. And that did absolutely nothing. Were the phaser banks on the fritz or something?

Well, she did take 2 unshielded torpedo hits directly to the engineering section. Again: money. The Enterprise was firing back (the Klingon officer reports mid battle "our shields are holding") but they weren't going to spend the money to show it. ILM had many more storyboards than was shown. Also cut for budget: the reason the Enterprise goes into anti-matter containment failure was that the debris of the Klingon ship actually slams into the Enterprise after it explodes.

Keizer_Ghidorah: TyrantII: frepnog: wippit: I want to see someone re-do the fight scenes in Yesterday's Enterprise with some real good CGI effects.

wonder if the blu-ray editions will clean that up.

Thankfully they are not.

But by all means, Some web Trekkies should start a pet project and torrent the spliced versions. CBS? No way, look at the FUBAR CGI in TOS, when they had to budget for both restoration and new stuff.

Still, in YE there's not much going on that deserves a redo anyways. Klingon's attack, ship moves into singularity. Making things a little less stationary isn't that big of a deal.

I liked the Remastered versions of TOS, the CGI worked fine. You know that they were trying to keep with the look of the original models and such, right?

I know that's their marketing line, after they realized how flipping bad it was. There stuff doesn't look anything like the FX original model work. At all. Period.

It looks like very low budget CGI from video games circa 1996.

Some shots are not too bad, but most of it is pure crap, due to budget limitations and making the best of the problems they had. CBS simply didn't want to spend the money needed to do the project right, so they toed that line to consumers. ow if you like it, that subjective and fine, but true to the show it was not. Worthy of what it replaced, it was not.

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Those actually made it into a HD restoration. Matt Jeffries is turning in his grave. That last literally is a sub HD resolution textured ship with the engines as a flat texture, and not modeled. Shoeboxes and crayons in space!

If they went with all new CGI in TNG-R, it be even worse. Plus it would suck restoration money out of preserving and recompositing / fixing the original FX work which they mostly have untouched and can use. So you either change history completely and still get sub par CGI, or you try to do both and get crap on both ends. I'd rather have them ONLY focus on preserving / redoing whats there with the money they have, to the best of their ability. Don't spend money on things that only will cause demining returns.

As said, let the fans do it. Check out this work by Daren Dochterman who actually gave The Doomsday Machine FX reel the love it needed. It looks like the 1960's models, yet it's also updated, and it looks 1000X better than what CBS Digital did in TOS-R.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9L7EB7iyfAc

Instead of using tech to make it look "as bad as it did" (PR talk for it looked bad, so it must have looked like that, so say we all), He used current tech to emulate the tech that would have been available to film makers back when TOS was made. The aesthetic of the show intact. The approach of his Trek Enhanced was to respect the tech that was available at the time, but also consider what they could have accomplished with a higher weekly budget.

So, keep it for the fans. CBS will screw it up like TOS-R due to them not wanting to throw money into a black hole. And the restored stuff is looking excellent so far. So it's a good thing money won't be wasted on extra stuff.

peterthx: Keizer_Ghidorah: But Guinan and the other refugees they rescued had already partly gone into the Nexus before being beamed out. If they had stayed on the ship when it was destroyed, they'd have been taken completely into the Nexus. Soran could have easily grabbed a shuttle and flown full speed into the ribbon and gotten in.

Maybe, maybe not. They were "phasing" into the Nexus before the ship was destroyed. In any case, you'd presume Soran couldn't afford a ship sizeable enough to enter the Nexus and stay together long enough for him to "phase" into it.

My biggest complaint is how the battle between the Enterprise-D and the Duras sisters' Bird-of_Prey went. The flagship of the Federation gets its ass kicked by a faulty antique, and Riker orders ONE FREAKING PHASER SHOT before resorting to the traditional technobabble bullshiat. One. Freaking. Shot. And that did absolutely nothing. Were the phaser banks on the fritz or something?

Well, she did take 2 unshielded torpedo hits directly to the engineering section. Again: money. The Enterprise was firing back (the Klingon officer reports mid battle "our shields are holding") but they weren't going to spend the money to show it. ILM had many more storyboards than was shown. Also cut for budget: the reason the Enterprise goes into anti-matter containment failure was that the debris of the Klingon ship actually slams into the Enterprise after it explodes.

As annoying as that was, i can actually look past it, especially coming from the TV show where they pulled that kinda of stuff all time time.

But like Redlettermedia's review, using the recanned shot of the BOP exploding was a slap to the face and balls at the same time. Especially after you got some sweet ass shots of the fight / shields / planet / ect. Total appointment, and they didn't even wait a movie or two.

How hard would it have been for ILM to make a close frame model and very undetailed model for a wide angle frame shot and strap some gunpowder and firecrackers to it?

peterthx: Keizer_Ghidorah: But Guinan and the other refugees they rescued had already partly gone into the Nexus before being beamed out. If they had stayed on the ship when it was destroyed, they'd have been taken completely into the Nexus. Soran could have easily grabbed a shuttle and flown full speed into the ribbon and gotten in.

Maybe, maybe not. They were "phasing" into the Nexus before the ship was destroyed. In any case, you'd presume Soran couldn't afford a ship sizeable enough to enter the Nexus and stay together long enough for him to "phase" into it.

My biggest complaint is how the battle between the Enterprise-D and the Duras sisters' Bird-of_Prey went. The flagship of the Federation gets its ass kicked by a faulty antique, and Riker orders ONE FREAKING PHASER SHOT before resorting to the traditional technobabble bullshiat. One. Freaking. Shot. And that did absolutely nothing. Were the phaser banks on the fritz or something?

Well, she did take 2 unshielded torpedo hits directly to the engineering section. Again: money. The Enterprise was firing back (the Klingon officer reports mid battle "our shields are holding") but they weren't going to spend the money to show it. ILM had many more storyboards than was shown. Also cut for budget: the reason the Enterprise goes into anti-matter containment failure was that the debris of the Klingon ship actually slams into the Enterprise after it explodes.

Considering that he and Picard were immediately gobbled up when the Nexus flew through the planet, a max-speed shuttle would have gotten Soren in.

The original Enterprise had the same situation, and she defeated a ship that was her equal. The Enterprise-D was owned by a retired model, and damage to the engineering section doesn't affect the saucer's phaser banks since they're charged and holding the power already. They honestly could have come up with a better way to destroy the D, especially since the reason was to get a more cinematic ship design on the big screen.

I try to give Generations some credit, since the writers had to do so much with the script thanks to the moronic executives (and having to do "All Good Things..." at the same time), but when they leave out so much important information, it just makes it hard to. Nemesis was especially hard hit by that, 1/3 of the movie, including all the import character and plot exposition, was left on the cutting room floor.

FlyingLizardOfDoom: DamnYankees: And just for fun, here are my top 20 episodes of Star Trek (not including TOS). I wanted to do a list of 10, but couldn't whittle it down.

Rehashing an old post:

My Top 5 favorite Star Trek episodes, by series:

TOS

5. The Cage
4. Trouble With Tribbles
3. City on the Edge of Forever
2. Balance of Terror
1. Mirror, Mirror

TyrantII: Keizer_Ghidorah: TyrantII: frepnog: wippit: I want to see someone re-do the fight scenes in Yesterday's Enterprise with some real good CGI effects.

wonder if the blu-ray editions will clean that up.

Thankfully they are not.

But by all means, Some web Trekkies should start a pet project and torrent the spliced versions. CBS? No way, look at the FUBAR CGI in TOS, when they had to budget for both restoration and new stuff.

Still, in YE there's not much going on that deserves a redo anyways. Klingon's attack, ship moves into singularity. Making things a little less stationary isn't that big of a deal.

I liked the Remastered versions of TOS, the CGI worked fine. You know that they were trying to keep with the look of the original models and such, right?

I know that's their marketing line, after they realized how flipping bad it was. There stuff doesn't look anything like the FX original model work. At all. Period.

It looks like very low budget CGI from video games circa 1996.

Some shots are not too bad, but most of it is pure crap, due to budget limitations and making the best of the problems they had. CBS simply didn't want to spend the money needed to do the project right, so they toed that line to consumers. ow if you like it, that subjective and fine, but true to the show it was not. Worthy of what it replaced, it was not.

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Those actually made it into a HD restoration. Matt Jeffries is turning in his grave. That last literally is a sub HD resolution textured ship with the engines as a flat texture, and not modeled. Shoeboxes and crayons in space!

If they went with all new CGI in TNG-R, it be even worse. Plus it would suck restora ...

I dunno, that FX reel looks good, but they stayed with the static motions and fixed camera angles, like "We want it to be so like the original we might as well haven't bothered".

This is more like it, much more dynamic.

TyrantII: like Redlettermedia's review, using the recanned shot of the BOP exploding was a slap to the face and balls at the same time. Especially after you got some sweet ass shots of the fight / shields / planet / ect. Total appointment, and they didn't even wait a movie or two.

How hard would it have been for ILM to make a close frame model and very undetailed model for a wide angle frame shot and strap some gunpowder an ...

A lot. HQ visual effects are charged by the frame.

If Paramount hadn't been so tight fisted with the budget they could have used the planned shot of the BoP exploding and the debris slamming into the Enterprise.

There were several stock shots in Generations:

The warp by of the Enterprise-B is the Excelsior warp-by from Star Trek VI
The quantum implosion that Picard and Troi see from his window is the first few seconds of the Praxis explosion that opens Star Trek VI.
The Bird of Prey cloaking after beaming out Soran was from Star Trek VI.
"Captain's Log" voiceover of the Enterprise-D flyover was from Encounter At Farpoint - restored and recomposited from the original VistaVision elements
First shot of the Enterprise-D saucer separation was from Encounter At Farpoint - restored and recomposited from the original VistaVision elements
Exploding Enterprise-D stardrive section - same stock explosion first used for the exploding USS Grissom in Star Trek III but with a shockwave effect added.

Creoena: I'm glad to see The Inner Light as the best TNG episode, because it is. However, seeing Darmok on most people's top 5/10 list make me want to hurl. I don't understand all the love to that episode. Trying to wait for Picard to figure out what everyone else figured out a long time ago to speak in metaphor was mindnumbing.

The acting was great. The theme of mangled communication was good, and much more than a word puzzle for picard to solve.

/any time picard is way off the bridge and out of the captain role (i.e. Not just leading an away team), it is usually a good thing.

peterthx: TyrantII: like Redlettermedia's review, using the recanned shot of the BOP exploding was a slap to the face and balls at the same time. Especially after you got some sweet ass shots of the fight / shields / planet / ect. Total appointment, and they didn't even wait a movie or two.

How hard would it have been for ILM to make a close frame model and very undetailed model for a wide angle frame shot and strap some gunpowder an ...

A lot. HQ visual effects are charged by the frame.

If Paramount hadn't been so tight fisted with the budget they could have used the planned shot of the BoP exploding and the debris slamming into the Enterprise.

There were several stock shots in Generations:

The warp by of the Enterprise-B is the Excelsior warp-by from Star Trek VI
The quantum implosion that Picard and Troi see from his window is the first few seconds of the Praxis explosion that opens Star Trek VI.
The Bird of Prey cloaking after beaming out Soran was from Star Trek VI.
"Captain's Log" voiceover of the Enterprise-D flyover was from Encounter At Farpoint - restored and recomposited from the original VistaVision elements
First shot of the Enterprise-D saucer separation was from Encounter At Farpoint - restored and recomposited from the original VistaVision elements
Exploding Enterprise-D stardrive section - same stock explosion first used for the exploding USS Grissom in Star Trek III but with a shockwave effect added.

And the infamous Bird-of-Prey exploding from Star Trek VI. Or what I like to call "Fire the torpedoes at the Bird-of-Prey stock footage!".

Mugato: TyrantII: How hard would it have been for ILM to make a close frame model and very undetailed model for a wide angle frame shot and strap some gunpowder and firecrackers to it?

I can't even think of what ILM was doing in 1994 that they had to assign their B team to ST. Jurassic Park 1993, ID4 1996. Nothing big in 1994. You could argue that Trek 5 looked crappy because ILM was also doing Indy 3.

ILM was booked during that time period (Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Ghostbusters II and the pseudopod in The Abyss), along with the writer's strike and some executive meddling. And Shatner, but he honestly isn't to blame for as much as people think.

Mugato: Keizer_Ghidorah: And the infamous Bird-of-Prey exploding from Star Trek VI. Or what I like to call "Fire the torpedoes at the Bird-of-Prey stock footage!".

The absolute least they could have done was reversed the shot so the BoP was facing the other way from in Trek 6. It would have still been stock footage but it would have looked at least a little different. This is the same FX shop that revolutionalized CGI FX just a year before.

Seriously, or given it a minor addition like the other recycled FX shots.