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(Fox News)   Obama is using the same political strategy that lost Bush the election against Clinton in 1992   (foxnews.com) divider line 144
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2012-04-24 01:48:19 AM  
There was also a recession in 1992, plus Ross Perot split the GOP vote. Comparison invalid, failmitter.
 
2012-04-24 02:05:23 AM  
Romney is using the same political strategy that lost Kerry the election against W in 2004.
 
2012-04-24 02:06:59 AM  
If you say so, stubby.
 
2012-04-24 03:50:46 AM  
Well, sure, other than no.
 
2012-04-24 06:53:48 AM  
Well, that was a nice morning streeeeeeeeeeeetch.
 
2012-04-24 07:30:52 AM  

violentsalvation: Romney is using the same political strategy that lost Kerry the election against W in 2004.


But it's totally different this time!
 
2012-04-24 11:14:30 AM  
When you go back and look at polls, it's interesting to note that the national debt was not a huge issue in voters' minds until Perot spent months hammering Bush on it (at a time when Clinton was still battling his fellow Democrats for the nomination). Also, a lot of working class Americans were unhappy with HW's support of NAFTA, another Perot target, and his stated desire to cut the capital gains tax.

The whole business with Bush being so out of touch with everyday Americans that he didn't even know how grocery store scanner worked is really a lot closer to the perception problem that Romney has than Obama.
 
2012-04-24 11:20:19 AM  
Wrong. Bush the Elder, came in off of 8 years of (not-quite) trickle-down Reaganomics and his own party fully owned the economic crap in the early 90s.
 
2012-04-24 11:41:23 AM  
We call this light at the end of the tunnel.
 
2012-04-24 11:42:26 AM  
No, no - Romney is far more similar to Winfield Scott's failed campaign of 1852 while Obama's strategy mirrors that of Rutherford B. Hayes.
 
2012-04-24 11:54:23 AM  
He morphed into George Bush?
 
2012-04-24 12:00:15 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We call this light at the end of the tunnel.


Who's "we"... You and all the other high school drop outs crackin' corn down at the chicken shack?
 
2012-04-24 12:10:06 PM  
Additional difficulty: The Clinton-Bot 2.0 was fully equipped with a variety of sexual quips and personality traits, representing advances in modern programming to create a fully assimilated life-like artificial intelligence. This resulted in a personable candidate that was able to balance management techniques with general public appeal.

Romney-Bot 2.0 was designed for accounting purposes and all actions are based on the premise of ensuring maximum wealth retention. He has purchased the "elder statemen" body modification in an attempt to appear graceful, however to date market research suggests that it is firmly rooted in Uncanny Valley,
 
2012-04-24 12:44:06 PM  
I thought we were going to do "Hope and Change" again.

I want me some Hopey McChange.
 
2012-04-24 01:04:15 PM  
Mitt Romney is no Bill Clinton.
 
2012-04-24 01:16:41 PM  
You see, people only voted for Obama because they thought it would be really cool to have a black president. Now that they have gotten over that novelty, it should be a landslide victory for Romney.

This trite and cartoonish analysis of the motivations of my political enemies is real!
 
2012-04-24 01:36:44 PM  
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2012-04-24 01:36:44 PM  
So far, we're seeing the Obama campaign run very much like the Bush campaign in 1992. The focus is on painting Romney as a secret radical whose personal background should be disqualifying to hold the highest office in the land.

Actually, it sounds like the same strategy McCain/Palin used against him in 2008.

But I do appreciate your concern, Fox News. I really do.
 
2012-04-24 01:38:26 PM  
Also:

So far, we're seeing the Obama campaign run very much like the Bush campaign in 1992. The focus is on painting Romney as a secret radical whose personal background should be disqualifying to hold the highest office in the land.

I have not seen this from the Obama campaign. At all. Am I missing something? This seems to be the GOP's campaign against Obama for the past 5 years.
 
2012-04-24 01:39:37 PM  
Er... what Diogenes said.

/shakes tiny fist
 
2012-04-24 01:41:49 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Er... what Diogenes said.

/shakes tiny fist


:-P
 
2012-04-24 01:42:48 PM  

Car_Ramrod: Er... what Diogenes said.

/shakes tiny fist


It is interesting, though. That goes beyond their normal projection. It's like meta-projection.
 
2012-04-24 01:59:52 PM  
Democrats tie together the arguments about the secretive and cruel Romney in the president's pitch on the stump that Romney and his fellow rich folks are working to make, to borrow Vice President Joe Biden's term, "suckers" of middle class Americans.

Or you can take the few actual policy stances Romney has taken, which prove he wants to reward the rich at the expense of the rest of the country.

Mitt Romney's Tax Plan Is Still a Mathematical Failure
 
2012-04-24 02:00:11 PM  

violentsalvation: Romney is using the same political strategy that lost Kerry the election against W in 2004.


No, see, back then it was a stern, uncharismatic Republican incumbent going up against a relatable, charismatic Democrat. Now it's a relatable, charismatic Democratic incumbent going up against an uncharismatic, unrelatable Republican! THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME!!
 
2012-04-24 02:03:02 PM  
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"No he isn't."
"No...no he isn't... But you can imagine what'd it be like if he did!"

/How every republican claim about Obama plays out
 
2012-04-24 02:03:09 PM  

Diogenes: Car_Ramrod: Er... what Diogenes said.

/shakes tiny fist

It is interesting, though. That goes beyond their normal projection. It's like meta-projection.


Especially when you consider how good Obama is at staying above the fray, usually shying away from personal attacks, and sticking to the issues.
 
2012-04-24 02:04:42 PM  
They can wish upon a star however hard they want; it's not going to make it come true.
 
2012-04-24 02:06:25 PM  

themindiswatching: There was also a recession in 1992, plus Ross Perot split the GOP vote. Comparison invalid, failmitter.


Also, the GOP's farther to the right than it was in 1992...and Fox News is full of sh*t.
 
2012-04-24 02:07:46 PM  
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They blinded me with science.

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They crippled me with physics.
 
2012-04-24 02:07:59 PM  
Luckily for him, Romney is using the same political strategy that lost Kerry the election against Bush in 2004
 
2012-04-24 02:08:26 PM  
So who is the 3rd party candidate that will split Obama's vote?
 
2012-04-24 02:09:23 PM  
The challenge for Romney is the same as it was for Bubba in 1992: Every day not discussing the economy or Obama's economic approach is a bad day. The Obama team will be doing everything it can to make sure that Romney spends plenty of time talking about Irish setter transportation and tax shelters.

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2012-04-24 02:11:42 PM  
Bush Sr. also suffered from the image that was created after the GOP National Convention. The religious crazies that had been brought into the Republican fold since Roe v. Wade and during the Reagan years pretty much had a field day at the convention. There were quite a few VERY socially conservative speeches that were made and support for Bush among independents dried up after the crazy train pulled into the convention.

Sort of like how Republicans are pissing moderates off today with social issues.
 
2012-04-24 02:11:59 PM  

mahoggin: Wrong. Bush the Elder, came in off of 8 years of (not-quite) trickle-down Reaganomics and his own party fully owned the economic crap in the early 90s.


To his credit though, he did pass the Earned Income Tax Credit, which might still be one of the best ways to lift lower-income families out of poverty.

/And he managed to get out of Iraq, all within one term too.
 
2012-04-24 02:13:08 PM  

CokeBear: So who is the 3rd party candidate that will split Obama's vote?


According to the article:

This year, Mitt Romney doesn't have the help of a Ross Perot-style spoiler (though the group Americans Elect may yet produce a left-of-center nominee who can play part of that role).

According to the Washington Post:

Last week was supposed to be the first week of online voting on the Americans Elect site, when anyone anywhere could click to endorse practiced politicians or to draft neophytes. But the candidate choices have remained decidedly low-profile, and traffic is meager on the site, which cost $9 million to construct. Scrambling to avert failure, Americans Elect has postponed online voting for a month.

So... nobody.
 
2012-04-24 02:13:49 PM  
Obama's doing what he's always done - rope-a-dope, and Romney's the dope. We'll get to a point in mid-August or so when everyone starts thinking Obama's on the ropes, and then BOOM! devastating uppercut out of nowhere. You heard it here first.
 
2012-04-24 02:18:40 PM  

Pilikia: Obama's doing what he's always done - rope-a-dope, and Romney's the dope. We'll get to a point in mid-August or so when everyone starts thinking Obama's on the ropes, and then BOOM! devastating uppercut out of nowhere. You heard it here first.


that BOOM! will be obamacare getting shot down.

you heard THAT here first.
 
2012-04-24 02:19:28 PM  

Car_Ramrod: I have not seen this from the Obama campaign. At all. Am I missing something? This seems to be the GOP's campaign against Obama for the past 5 years.


Diogenes: Car_Ramrod: Er... what Diogenes said.

/shakes tiny fist

It is interesting, though. That goes beyond their normal projection. It's like meta-projection.


It's their attempt to make Obama play their game. The Republicans know their nominee sucks on ice and his campaign is a moribund motley of social class detachment and gross appeasement. They need to start a fight so the tribalism they excel at comes into play and they can play the President as some kind of menace that scares the Base into a voting fury. And Obama isn't playing that. He has quite a few advantages here: he has a lot of money, a lot of support, and the Republicans can only react to him. By giving them nothing to play with, the media is stuck on Romney's issues. And that's killing any kind of momentum the Republicans can muster. It also makes it hard for Romney to find a time to duck out and make-believe that everything he said no longer applies. With all eyes on Romney, we get what we have now: Mitt trying to find a way to appease everybody while the Republican Media keeps making up stuff because they have nothing from Obama to distort. The pressure isn't on Obama, it's on the Republican Media to keep themselves relevant. And devoid of anything to rage against, their rage goes into interesting places that are at once boring and laughable.
 
2012-04-24 02:22:44 PM  

CokeBear: So who is the 3rd party candidate that will split Obama's vote?


I've thought for years that the Koch Brothers and Fox News blew it by funding and pushing the Tea Party.

They should have spent all their money funding left-wing popular movements and propaganda. They could have pushed the Democrats to the left, costing them independent voters. They could have inspired another Ralph Nader to run for president, splitting the progressive vote. That's how the Republicans could have had a permanent majority.

For supposedly machiavellian political operatives, Rove and his ilk don't seem to have read much Machiavelli.
 
2012-04-24 02:23:13 PM  

Car_Ramrod: CokeBear: So who is the 3rd party candidate that will split Obama's vote?

According to the article:

This year, Mitt Romney doesn't have the help of a Ross Perot-style spoiler (though the group Americans Elect may yet produce a left-of-center nominee who can play part of that role).

According to the Washington Post:

Last week was supposed to be the first week of online voting on the Americans Elect site, when anyone anywhere could click to endorse practiced politicians or to draft neophytes. But the candidate choices have remained decidedly low-profile, and traffic is meager on the site, which cost $9 million to construct. Scrambling to avert failure, Americans Elect has postponed online voting for a month.

So... nobody.


Though Romney will have competition. Not only will Ron Paul stay in the race just like last time but he'll have to contend with the Libertarian Party's Gary Johnson who is popular in the southwest and the Constitution Party which is growing in popularity in the south.
 
2012-04-24 02:24:54 PM  

Rapmaster2000: You see, people only voted for Obama because they thought it would be really cool to have a black president. Now that they have gotten over that novelty, it should be a landslide victory for Romney.

This trite and cartoonish analysis of the motivations of my political enemies is real!


And remember - if you voted for Zerobama in '08 to prove you're not a racist, you'll have to vote Republican this year to prove you're not an IDIOT!1!!

/GO TEAM!
 
2012-04-24 02:26:50 PM  
Bush lost by being an out-of-touch rich guy. So all the GOP has to do is not run a candidate like that.
 
2012-04-24 02:29:53 PM  

Brokenseas: CokeBear: So who is the 3rd party candidate that will split Obama's vote?

I've thought for years that the Koch Brothers and Fox News blew it by funding and pushing the Tea Party.

They should have spent all their money funding left-wing popular movements and propaganda. They could have pushed the Democrats to the left, costing them independent voters. They could have inspired another Ralph Nader to run for president, splitting the progressive vote. That's how the Republicans could have had a permanent majority.

For supposedly machiavellian political operatives, Rove and his ilk don't seem to have read much Machiavelli.


Not only that, but Rove's tactics destroyed any chance of the Republican methods ever working again by removing the middle-class as a buffer. So instead of having the middle-class populated by people who had something to lose and identified with richer people, you have disaffected poor people who remember when they had it good and now are either bitter about it being taken away by the rich (what are they going to do with all that extra money, anyway?) or now identifying with the same poor they used to fear. Combine this with later generations being less prone to mindless bigotry, and all of those sad scare tactics are now about as effective as 1950s filmstrips.

The Republicans aren't smart people. They were cruel and ruthless, but time and their own greed has reduced them to thinking they still have as much clout as they once did. Twenty years ago. And they still behave like they're capable of bringing that back when they're being paid by their corporate masters to assure a middle-class never forms again.
 
2012-04-24 02:34:37 PM  
And Romney is looking a lot like Kerry in 2004.
 
2012-04-24 02:35:06 PM  
I don't think the comparison made in TFA holds that well. Yes, Obama has to focus on the economy to win, but that's true in any economically-focused election. There's no Ross Perot at work here, and there's not going to be. 1992 was a very different election than 2012 for a whole host of reasons.

I still think Obama will lose though. I know the usual Fark Liberal™ line is that Obama is so super-awesome that he'll cockpunch "Rmoney" into oblivion, etc., etc. But on Planet Earth, the economy is still in the tank. 53.6% of college graduates can't get a job or are stuck bussing tables. The youth vote will not turn out in 2008 numbers. Unemployment is still high, and we can have continuous job growth at the rate we've been having and it won't go down appreciably by November.

Romney is being very smart. He's not falling into the GOP's temptation to attack Obama personally. He's smart to know that independents still like Obama as a person. They see his Presidency as a failure though, and Romney is hititng him on the substance of his policies. That's why you have the Obama people trying to paint this as a "choice" election rather than a "referendum" election - because if the election is a referendum on the last 4 years, Obama loses.

There are three big reasons why Obama will lose in 2012. First, he can't run as the blank-slate "hopenchange" candidate now. Second, the voting trends of 2008 will not carry into 2012, especially not with the youth vote. Finally, the Romney campaign is a hell of a lot more on-the-ball than the hapless and hopeless McCain campaign.

Granted, everything's fluid, and all that can change, but this remains a referendum election against an incumbent with potentially fatal issues. Saying that Obama is a shoe-in for victory may play on Planet Democrat, but it isn't the reality.
 
2012-04-24 02:38:56 PM  

mahoggin: Wrong. Bush the Elder, came in off of 8 years of (not-quite) trickle-down Reaganomics and his own party fully owned the economic crap in the early 90s.


Plus, his party hated him for raising taxes.
 
2012-04-24 02:39:10 PM  

WombatControl: That's why you have the Obama people trying to paint this as a "choice" election rather than a "referendum" election - because if the election is a referendum on the last 4 years, Obama loses.


It is a choice. Go back to the policies of the Bush era by repealing HCR, repealing FinReg, more (even bigger) tax cuts for the rich at the expense of poor and middle class programs.

Or Obama.
 
2012-04-24 02:40:45 PM  

meat0918: mahoggin: Wrong. Bush the Elder, came in off of 8 years of (not-quite) trickle-down Reaganomics and his own party fully owned the economic crap in the early 90s.

Plus, his party hated him for raising taxes.


it's a shame too, because it was all based on a mistake. if you go back and look closely at the tape, GHB said "read my lips, no nude texans".
 
2012-04-24 02:43:18 PM  

Diogenes: So far, we're seeing the Obama campaign run very much like the Bush campaign in 1992. The focus is on painting Romney as a secret radical whose personal background should be disqualifying to hold the highest office in the land.

Actually, it sounds like the same strategy McCain/Palin used against him in 2008.

But I do appreciate your concern, Fox News. I really do.


That's what they are going on?

That's the strategy the GOP candidates were using, tiptoeing around the whole Mormon thing.
 
2012-04-24 02:44:29 PM  

colon_pow: that BOOM! will be obamacare getting shot down.


Yeah, boy, the day that the Supreme Court says, "Ha ha! Your kids are no longer eligible to be our your health insurance" is the day I get really mad at the Democrats.
 
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