LincolnLogolas: Father_Jack: ive now read everything on fark: people discussing the pros and cons of squirrel skinning, their meat, and the best way to avoid their parasites.

what a barftastic thread.

To be fair, they do make a rather nice stew.

Hey, crockpot squirrel and dumplings kicks ass, especially if the shooter used a rifle instead of birdshot.

Bathia_Mapes: Coelacanth: tenpoundsofcheese: Bathia_Mapes: Did anyone notice that some commentators were trying to blame the conditions on President Obama?

He has done NOTHING to improve their conditions.
It is his issue now.

0bama doesn't care about the Appalachians.

Account created: 2008-01-28

Yeah, I know. :-D

I wonder how bad the 2012-01-28s are going to be?

Gyrfalcon: calbert: I get that they're poor, and I get that that sucks and that their life is probably hard...but why does that mean that you can't collect and dispose of garbage?

and being poor, and then sticking your dick into another poor thus creating a baby poor, isn't going to help your situation.

and yet there always seems to be money for alcohol and tobacco.

focus more on the necessities of life before you burden yourself further with extras.

/such as cable tv and 'Auction Hunters'

//and I'm not trolling, that's just how I feel

The guy's trailer is not dirty. If you look a little closer, the one with the "slovenly" stacks of dishes is actually quite clean: The dishes, although stacked on the floor, are washed, there are no roaches or bugs, and there is only one bag of garbage on the floor--with soda cans, but no beer. He just doesn't have any storage space. Also, you might notice the old man is clean, the kid is clean, and there isn't filth all over the place.

When you're poor like that, you have lots of dishes because generally you've acquired them over a period of generations, and it's easier to keep them than throw them out. You might need them someday.

My mom is from that region and knew people poor like that--only not quite that poor--when she was a kid, and life is harder for people like that than you would imagine.

Yes. My mother grew up in relative poverty. Not as bad as what was pictured here, but there was definitely not money laying around to buy things they didn't need. She absorbed this same don't-throw-anything-away-you-might-need-it-someday mentality. She kept it even after she grew up got married, popped me out and then my sister and joined the middle class with extra money for savings and non-necessities. Now their house is a cluttered mess, even though it doesn't have to be. I absorbed a good deal of this attitude even though I was never even close to poor (but not rich either). It has caused some friction in my married life since my wife does not have anything close to this attitude..

/CSB

A Terrible Human

accelerus: I got sick of seeing every other picture with a newborn baby and it's 17 year old mother. Pull out or use a snickers wrapper for christs sake.

Suppose due to very strong religious beliefs their parents didn't have the talk with them or they wouldn't allow them to attend a sex ed course of school,get birth control or have an abortion. Or their parents have just generally neglected them their entire childhood or maybe Ignorance is a huge problem in this area.

And teenage pregnancies don't happen in the "big city" whar eddicated peoples live?????? Bigoted much?

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'd be willing to bet (yet not willing to do the research) that the area votes overwhelmingly Republican, and the primary reason for doing so is "because the Democrats give my hard-earned money to the ni*BONG* in the big city!"

The feeling is mutual. The Obama's don't care for these "bitter" people "clinging to guns and religion."

Bathia_Mapes: Coelacanth: Bathia_Mapes: Coelacanth: tenpoundsofcheese: Bathia_Mapes: Did anyone notice that some commentators were trying to blame the conditions on President Obama?

He has done NOTHING to improve their conditions.
It is his issue now.

0bama doesn't care about the Appalachians.

Account created: 2008-01-28

Yeah, I know. :-D

I wonder how bad the 2012-01-28s are going to be?

Only time will tell.

Myopic, partisan dumbshiatmanship is ubiquitous on fark and does not depend on political circumstances. There are enough cheerleaders/trolls here to keep any reasonable person from retaining faith in humanity for any significant length of time.

Refer to this/any thread for an example.

The Garage Sale was out of business?

times are tough.

FizixJunkee: taurusowner:
There is no economical reason to keep dirty dishes piling up in the sink, trash on the floor, etc.

If you don't have running water, how do you wash dishes?

Wow... how f*cking stupid can you be? Do you think society just used paper plates until plumbing was invented?

So let me ask: when did the pronunciation go from app-uh-LAY-shun to app-uh-LATCH-un. I lived in Pittsburgh (on the outskirts of the Appalachians) most of my life. The first time I ever heard the latter pronunciation was on the Weather Channel, about 15 years ago, and I haven't heard the former since. It's just weird.

skantea: skantea: Another Appalachian Documentary is 'American Hollow', producd by HBO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9wyOJ4di0g&feature=related

"Rory Kennedy's HBO documentary tells the tale of a close-knit Appalachian family that has changed little in the last 100 years."

Just an added note, this doc seems to have been shot just prior to the drug epidemics taking over. Sad as it sound, things seemed to have been slightly better when alcoholism was the lowest bottom to hit. At least family bonds seemed stronger.

Well, of course. You can get a great many more Daddy-daughter days into a busy schedule with a meth-fueled hard-on than a whisky-dick.

//damn, this shiat's depressing

At least in these photos all the boys have on pants, unlike sharecropper Bud Fields and his family at home. Hale County, Alabama. (Possibly NSFW.)

jtown: Many people live, literally, in the moment. Next week does not exist. Tomorrow is a vague, fuzzy concept. I'm sure there's some fancy name for this scenario.

"America".

tony41454: And teenage pregnancies don't happen in the "big city" whar eddicated peoples live?????? Bigoted much?

What the hell? I'm from KY,grew up in poverty,yet I'm bigoted against people from Ky/Mountain Folk/Hillbillies or whatever term isn't considering offense anymore

With the little contact I've had, I found once you get beyond their (or your) xenophobia they are a decent bunch. Not everyone can get beyond that xenophobia barrier though. Hope for the next generation. There are always outliers as with any group.

Dadoo: So let me ask: when did the pronunciation go from app-uh-LAY-shun to app-uh-LATCH-un. I lived in Pittsburgh (on the outskirts of the Appalachians) most of my life. The first time I ever heard the latter pronunciation was on the Weather Channel, about 15 years ago, and I haven't heard the former since. It's just weird.

I thought it was just me. Maybe its eastern Kentucky pronunciation?

What is so cool? The cool stuff is all in the outdoors.... I guess subby finds living in a trailer to be "cool?"

wellreadneck: Janky_McGank: wellreadneck: Janky_McGank: Omahawg: wellreadneck:
I hate them so much that I won't eat spring or summer squirrels. Fall squirrels have better fur and I don't have to cut around those nasty wolves.


Plus, the fatter the squirrel, the better the gravy.

If you guys haven't seen Winter's Bone yet, you really should. Stream it off Netflix. It's the Ozarks rather than Appalachia, but the culture is similar... before meth gets tossed into the mix. It is soul-crushing, some of what goes on there.

(And the movie is win because Jennifer Lawrence (also the lead in the Hunger Games flick) carries it with sheer acting ability, instead of special effects and/or makeup.)

Mountain Doo: I spent some childhood in those parts, and after seeing all the teen mothers and filth FTFA, I felt I have to say something. Those people are not stupid. Redneck? Hell yeah. But I've never met nicer, kinder and more generous people than that. You haven't had fun until you have a few beers and go rappelling down a mountainside or explored a cave. The redneck yokels from parts of Florida scare me, these people do not.

My grandparents are from little towns just south of that county in the article, and visiting family there, I've had the same experience. They may not have a lot of money, but they know how to take care of each other and they know how to have a good time.

I'm not sure what was up with that one trailer in filth, though. My family? Someone would have cleaned up regularly, even if it wasn't their home. They can't leave a half-full glass of water to sit for five minutes without washing it and putting it away.

Dadoo: So let me ask: when did the pronunciation go from app-uh-LAY-shun to app-uh-LATCH-un. I lived in Pittsburgh (on the outskirts of the Appalachians) most of my life. The first time I ever heard the latter pronunciation was on the Weather Channel, about 15 years ago, and I haven't heard the former since. It's just weird.


It's been pronounced 'Appa-LATCH-un' since time immemorial by the denizens thereof. As such, I believe that to be the correct pronunciation. Then again, I am FROM the area and admit a certain bias.

You being in Pitt kinda s'plains the confusion. My mother is originally from there and it has taken her 40 years to drop the accent and assimilate into the Central WV dialect. Accent-wise, you don't live in the Appalachian outlands...you live in Pittsburgh. It's a dialect island all its own.

raptusregaliter: I thought it was just me. Maybe its eastern Kentucky pronunciation?

Speaking of Kentucky pronunciation, the other day I was watching CNN and thought Brooke Baldwin was having a stroke when she pronounced 'Louisville'.

Another 10 or 15 years and the pronunciation of that city will have devolved to the sound that Zoidberg makes when he's excited.

DysphoricMania and Brytanica1, I love your discussion. Brings back so many memories of my early childhood with my grandmother and aunts and uncles. I wish I had learned half the things I saw them do--the things you're talking about.

Dadoo: So let me ask: when did the pronunciation go from app-uh-LAY-shun to app-uh-LATCH-un. I lived in Pittsburgh (on the outskirts of the Appalachians) most of my life. The first time I ever heard the latter pronunciation was on the Weather Channel, about 15 years ago, and I haven't heard the former since. It's just weird.

I think it depends on what part of Appalachia you're from. When I volunteered in these areas, most folks pronounced it app-uh-LAY-shun, but a few would correct you if you said it, insisting the "proper" way was app-uh-LATCH-un. Even Appalachia has its dialects and pronunciation arguments.

I'd hit it, then teach her to read?

TheMega: Anyone else look at the horses in the gas station and get a mental image of

[www.weblo.com image 600x386]

Yes, I did. +1

Bathia_Mapes: Did anyone notice that some commenters were trying to blame the conditions on President Obama? I guess some people have forgotten or aren't aware that such conditions were apparent when Senator Robert F Kennedy visited the area in the latter part of the 60s.

His daughter, Rory Kennedy, revisted the area again in 1999 and found that conditions hadn't changed much. She made a documentary and wrote a photo essay about an Appalachian family (the Bowlings) called "American Hollow".

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Since 1969 we have spent $1 trillion dollars on the War on Poverty, just as successful as the War on Drugs.

I live in the foothills in SE Ohio. And these are my people.

My township picks up trash the first Saturday of the month, and will only pick up three large garbage bags at a time. But, this seems to be enough for us because we burn anything that can be burned, recycle cans, reuse glass bottles, and compost organic waste (and by compost, I mean walk 50 feet out the back door and dump it in the tall weeds).

On the primary for the township was increasing the tax for trash pickup, which passed by a large margin thankfully. I don't even know of a local dump that will take trash from individuals anymore, most of them seem to only take from waste disposal companies it seems.

I live in a 5 bedroom, 2 story farmhouse built in 1907 on 6 acres of land. We have running water, electricity, and natural gas. Last Friday night we had a bonfire with a few friends. Sat outside, under the stars, drank beer, roasted hot dogs, made smores, listened to the radio. It was nice, peaceful, serene.

This is how I grew up, this is where I live, and hopefully this is where I will die. People come out here on the weekends to get away, to relax, which is why I just live out here. It's a simple life, with less stress then when I lived in a major (If you could call Columbus, OH major) for five years when I went to college.

I love it out here. And I wouldn't have it any other way.

/excited about the warm weather, have to get the garden in, and get out the chainsaw because the wood pile is running low

Welcome to District 12

I guess Subby doesn't like the pink prom dress?

I have lived in a tent, and without running water (other than a creek), for months at a time...and it was awesome.

Wind Chimes: I live in the coalfields of southern WV. I am a native WV'ian, but not from the coalfields, so living here for the past three years has been eye-opening for me.

This level of poverty is pervasive throughout Appalachia. And Mountain Doo is correct, these are not stupid people. There are by and large honest, intelligent, kind, generous, hard-working people. They and their ancestors have been exploited for over 100 years; those generational wounds don't heal themselves overnight. All I hear from younger people here is how they have to get out, get away, that there is nothing for them here. That's heartbreaking on so many levels.

If they were intelligent, they would not be there and so poor. They certainly would not have children and their children would not be having children.


Not smart enough to clean your damn house?

TheMega: I'm from Parkersburg.. normal area with big cinemas, theaters, high speed Internet, good roads (for the most part lol) LED lights for traffic... nothing out of the past except historical areas, but after traveling south and over through Virginia quite a few times... I agree, it really is shocking how far back into the past you can seem to go.

My mother's side of the family is P-burgian; she lives there now. We go there to visit once a month, and let me tell you- There is nothing "normal" about Parkersburg. There's little crime, most of the houses are well-kept (except the South Side,) and most of the people are kind. Not rude, self-centered assholes like in the DC area where I live. Wish the housing market would recover so I could sell this place and move back there.

I love how people fawn all over these folks and give all kinds of cultural and socioeconomic excuses for why they live a certain slovenly and lazy lifestyle, especially since it's often the same people who bash "urbans" for not living up to their own full potential.

I am descended from nineteen generations of poor white Southerners, and am incredibly grateful that my grandfather had the motivation to leave his holler in Eastern Tennessee and move to Oklahoma during the Depression (which was, ironically, a step up). Having visited TN regularly in the past couple of decades, I can attest to the fact that most of these people are unbelievably myopic, short-sighted, suspicious, bigoted, and unrepentantly ignorant.

Would also like to remind folks here that the only politicians who ever got anything done for Appalachia were FDR (TVA, Civilian Conservation Corps, etc), Robert Kennedy, and LBJ (War on Poverty). They generally voted Democratic out of thanks to FDR until Nixon's Southern Strategy, and then Lee Atwater's poisonous campaigns. Now they have been deluded into thinking that the only people who "care" about them are the GOP, which is a joke. The ones who are actually oppressing them are the middle-class and economic overlords in those areas, namely the landowners and the shopkeepers and the ones who own and manipulate real estate, and the members of the chamber of commerce. All of whom despise the lower classes they're exploiting, but are masterfully jerking them around.

The most disturbing picture was from the most "well-off" family shown, the ones where the girl is being prepped for prom. Something about that living room frightens me. Maybe the huge trash can next to the sofa, or what looks like lotion on the shelf also next to the sofa.

All that was missing was some Jesco White. And some teeth.

Oscar_Madisons_cleaning_lady: TheMega: I'm from Parkersburg.. normal area with big cinemas, theaters, high speed Internet, good roads (for the most part lol) LED lights for traffic... nothing out of the past except historical areas, but after traveling south and over through Virginia quite a few times... I agree, it really is shocking how far back into the past you can seem to go.

My mother's side of the family is P-burgian; she lives there now. We go there to visit once a month, and let me tell you- There is nothing "normal" about Parkersburg. There's little crime, most of the houses are well-kept (except the South Side,) and most of the people are kind. Not rude, self-centered assholes like in the DC area where I live. Wish the housing market would recover so I could sell this place and move back there.

Ahh Parkersburg. Used to drive down there in high school to pick up Everclear for parties (since Ohio didn't sell it). This was before W.Va made it illegal to sell the 190 proof stuff of course

/hour and a half liquor run!

Mock26: I sure would like to get my hands on those cast iron pots that Mose Noble owns. I bet that they are probably 100+ years old.

He needs them for the beet farm.

david_gaithersburg: Bathia_Mapes: Did anyone notice that some commenters were trying to blame the conditions on President Obama? I guess some people have forgotten or aren't aware that such conditions were apparent when Senator Robert F Kennedy visited the area in the latter part of the 60s.

His daughter, Rory Kennedy, revisted the area again in 1999 and found that conditions hadn't changed much. She made a documentary and wrote a photo essay about an Appalachian family (the Bowlings) called "American Hollow".

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Since 1969 we have spent $1 trillion dollars on the War on Poverty, just as successful as the War on Drugs.

That was the first thing that came to mind. It has been almost 50 years since the War On Poverty was initiated and these conditions still exist. End the quagmire in Appalachia!

Huggermugger: I love how people fawn all over these folks and give all kinds of cultural and socioeconomic excuses for why they live a certain slovenly and lazy lifestyle, especially since it's often the same people who bash "urbans" for not living up to their own full potential.

I am descended from nineteen generations of poor white Southerners, and am incredibly grateful that my grandfather had the motivation to leave his holler in Eastern Tennessee and move to Oklahoma during the Depression (which was, ironically, a step up). Having visited TN regularly in the past couple of decades, I can attest to the fact that most of these people are unbelievably myopic, short-sighted, suspicious, bigoted, and unrepentantly ignorant.

Would also like to remind folks here that the only politicians who ever got anything done for Appalachia were FDR (TVA, Civilian Conservation Corps, etc), Robert Kennedy, and LBJ (War on Poverty). They generally voted Democratic out of thanks to FDR until Nixon's Southern Strategy, and then Lee Atwater's poisonous campaigns. Now they have been deluded into thinking that the only people who "care" about them are the GOP, which is a joke. The ones who are actually oppressing them are the middle-class and economic overlords in those areas, namely the landowners and the shopkeepers and the ones who own and manipulate real estate, and the members of the chamber of commerce. All of whom despise the lower classes they're exploiting, but are masterfully jerking them around.

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Really. So you are telling us that after spending wasting $1,000,000,000 the war on poverty is now over. Moron. Now go back to your ranting about evil "overlords".