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2012-04-24 11:29:39 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:

Please don't denigrate people who start with nothing. My mother was no moron. Nor my grandmother.


I don't think that citing the social norms of 1916 is a good support of teen pregnancy in 2012.
 
2012-04-24 11:31:55 AM
i.imgur.com

Could use a woman's touch in that little slice of Heaven.

/Where is Martha Stewart when you need her?
 
2012-04-24 11:32:24 AM
No mention of Gummo? Sad.
 
2012-04-24 11:36:06 AM

Rapmaster2000: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:

Please don't denigrate people who start with nothing. My mother was no moron. Nor my grandmother.

I don't think that citing the social norms of 1916 is a good support of teen pregnancy in 2012.


The people in those photos are still living in 1916.
 
2012-04-24 11:36:49 AM

numberonenoob: No mention of Gummo? Sad.


Ohio != Appalachia

however:

I love my little rooster
and my rooster loves me
I'm gonna cherish that chicken
neeth the green bay tree
n m'little rooster go
cock a doodle doo doodle doo doodle doo

and I farking HATE rabbits.
 
2012-04-24 11:39:32 AM

Rapmaster2000: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:

Please don't denigrate people who start with nothing. My mother was no moron. Nor my grandmother.

I don't think that citing the social norms of 1916 is a good support of teen pregnancy in 2012.


How hard is it for you to get the point?

Don't like teenaged pregnancy? Call your Congressman.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER, CSB.
 
2012-04-24 11:46:23 AM

JackieRabbit: Rapmaster2000: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:

Please don't denigrate people who start with nothing. My mother was no moron. Nor my grandmother.

I don't think that citing the social norms of 1916 is a good support of teen pregnancy in 2012.

How hard is it for you to get the point?

Don't like teenaged pregnancy? Call your Congressman.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER, CSB.


My grandmother also had a child at 17. I'm not going to recommend that my daughter do the same.
 
2012-04-24 11:50:06 AM

Rapmaster2000: My grandmother also had a child at 17. I'm not going to recommend that my daughter do the same.


Oh, of course. I wouldn't either. My mother told me when I was a youth, that I'd better not get a girl pregnant, because I belonged to her until I was 18, and she would kill me before she'd let me go. She was kidding on the square, I believe. Either way, I made sure I didn't. Too much grief in underage pregnancy.
 
2012-04-24 11:52:48 AM
Hey good lookin! We'll be back to pick ya up later!!

/name the commercial for 5 Internets...

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-04-24 12:00:42 PM

vostok1: I believe an episode of Breaking Bad was filmed in that first trailer.

[www.monstersoftelevision.com image 614x341]


Jesus, thanks for reminding me of that. My boy was that age when I saw that episode, broke my farking heart. There but for the grace of FSM and all that.
 
2012-04-24 12:00:47 PM

Rapmaster2000: JackieRabbit: Rapmaster2000: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:

Please don't denigrate people who start with nothing. My mother was no moron. Nor my grandmother.

I don't think that citing the social norms of 1916 is a good support of teen pregnancy in 2012.

How hard is it for you to get the point?

Don't like teenaged pregnancy? Call your Congressman.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER, CSB.

My grandmother also had a child at 17. I'm not going to recommend that my daughter do the same.


One would hope not. But teen pregnancy is not the point. It has only been in the last 40 years that women in rural areas started waiting until they were at least 18 to marry. This wasn't because they were stupid or promiscuous. When my mother was a girl, most girls married at 15 or 16. It was expected. When a girl was old enough to become pregnant and a boy old enough to get a job and support himself, it was time to leave the parental home and make their own way in the world. This was simply a practical necessity in impoverished rural areas. The area in discussed in this thread is one of the most impoverished areas in the US. So it is quite possible that this sensibility survives there today.
 
2012-04-24 12:03:37 PM

Nightenstaff: ... They feel they have a good life and don't need much of anything to keep them happy. And really, they're right. They're minimalist. They eat what taste good to them, sit on their make-shift porches watching whatever passes by, and then sleep by a wood burning stove until morning when they get to do it all again.


That don't sound half bad.
 
2012-04-24 12:09:35 PM
Poor is poor.

Canadian poor are a little better off due to our social safety nets, but my mother is from a coal mining town. I've lost family to black lung, drug addiction, mining accidents, alcoholism and untreated cancers. I've got cousins doing time for everything up to and including murder. My grandparents were fired upon by coal company guards in the 1920's. Same history, different company, different flag when the troops rolled in.

The best gift my parents ever gave me was moving away from that town before having kids. I grew up away from the crime, substance abuse and fighting. I brought the wife 'down home' for a visit a few years ago for vacation. We mostly did the tourism thing, but made sure to visit my grandparents homes. We were in the town my mother grew up in for about half an hour seeing the sights when she said "Can we leave? This place is so bleak and depressing. Thank god you didn't grow up here." This place has actually been undergoing gentrification and renewal as a bedroom community, and my wife still found it depressing. We didn't have any plans to actually visit family (other than a few graves to pay respects) because I turned my back on them years ago, so we got back on the highway and went back to being tourists.

/csb
 
2012-04-24 12:17:21 PM

Janky_McGank: Ohio != Appalachia


*sigh*

www.diner23.com

about 1/4-1/3 of it is

/could get minority scholarships because I was from Appalachia
//Ohio, born and raised
///There are better maps, but this one made my point enough
 
2012-04-24 12:22:22 PM

Mountain Doo: I spent some childhood in those parts, and after seeing all the teen mothers and filth FTFA, I felt I have to say something. Those people are not stupid. Redneck? Hell yeah. But I've never met nicer, kinder and more generous people than that. You haven't had fun until you have a few beers and go rappelling down a mountainside or explored a cave. The redneck yokels from parts of Florida scare me, these people do not.


farm4.static.flickr.com

Agrees
 
2012-04-24 12:23:46 PM

Burr: Janky_McGank: Ohio != Appalachia

*sigh*

[www.diner23.com image 400x390]

about 1/4-1/3 of it is

/could get minority scholarships because I was from Appalachia
//Ohio, born and raised
///There are better maps, but this one made my point enough


I stand corrected. In a world with google I have no excuse for bad geography. I guess I was thinking Gummo's Xenia != Appalachia, but it's not too far removed.
 
2012-04-24 12:36:38 PM

Janky_McGank: Gummo's Xenia != Appalachia, but it's not too far removed.


Gummo was filmed in Tennessee anyway, and is in no way representative of Greene county
 
2012-04-24 12:36:58 PM

rogue_L_chick: delta_pwnd: I relocated to a remote hollow in the Ozark mountains. Nearest neighbor has no teeth, no vehicle and never had running water. He could sell his gorgeous land with spring and swimming hole for half million probably. "More important things than money ". He lives it. Think the most money he's made in last 20 years is 15k a year. Not on government assistance, but someone? pays his once a decade medical bills. He doesn't have one speck of trash around.

~ just felt like sharing.

I live in the Ozarks as well, I now live in the sweetest spot in Arkansas, but these are my kind. My family and my friends, on average, have too many kids, too little education, and ever enough money...but they are the best people in the world as far as I am concerned. My kind will clothe and feed you, best they can, rather than see someone in front of them suffer. Yeah, we have our bad apples, but dammit if the good ones won't make you the best damn apple pie you've ever had.



I've live long enough on the Earth to know that the term 'nice people' is very subjective. Manson is probably a nice person to his followers and I'm sure the Grand Dragon of the KKK is nice to his friends. Same with ghetto thugs. They are probably wonderful to their momma.

I guarantee you if a black man or an Arab looking fella from NYC drives through town and has a flat tire his experienced there will be very dfferent than say someone else's everything else being equal.
 
SH
2012-04-24 12:45:30 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

I gotta great idea... lets fire up a welding torch and weld a foot from my eyes with no protection!
 
2012-04-24 12:48:00 PM

Janky_McGank: I stand corrected. In a world with google I have no excuse for bad geography. I guess I was thinking Gummo's Xenia != Appalachia, but it's not too far removed.


Ohio geography is pretty interesting

i537.photobucket.com

That line is basically where Ohio goes from hilly to flat (and you can tell too if you are driving I-70 across the state)
 
2012-04-24 12:55:44 PM
I think it'd be nice to live for a couple years in these areas. Would really help people put their lives in perspective. Even just looking at pictures and watching documentaries can really make you take a step back and think about your life and how much you waste on a daily basis. It's a tragedy that many people can't see beyond themselves or see things from another perspective.
 
2012-04-24 12:57:23 PM

Magorn: HAMMERTOE: mrbach: These people vote against social support and universal healthcare because it goes against their principle of freedom. Good job GOP. You CAN sell ice to Eskimos.

Actually, because it's about PRIDE. Real, actual pride over something that's actually under their control. Not accepting handouts is a lot more substantial than pride in something you actually have no control in, like skin color.


And, as was pointed out up-thread, where are the drive-by shootings, drug abuse and rampant crime supposedly caused by poverty?

all right there if you know where to look. It gets less attention because the population densities are lower, but the crime rate per capita is nearly identical. If you haven't already, watch the documentary mentioned here (The Whites of W Va) on netflix and compare and contrast the number of people in that family with criminal records to your typical group of people the same size living in an Inner city



Not to mention it's all subject to confirmation bias.

If you tell yourself that poverty has nothing to do with it and that blacks are just innately more violent than whites, then every news story you see about blacks committing violence becomes evidence for your belief... while every news story of poor whites committing violence doesn't even register, or it gets chalked up as a rare event.
 
2012-04-24 01:06:35 PM
I have a small obsession with all things Appalachia.

I read everything, watch every documentary, and so on and so forth about the mountains. When I studied anthropology in college, if I couldn't find a topic on Africa (which was my major) I'd always opt to do Appalachia. It's really fascinating what a seperate culture they are from the rest of America (and even region by region) from Scotch-Irish to Mulengeon, and so on. I particularly love the traditional Appalachian dialect and most of all, their folklore.

I very much want to go there, but I've been told from "urban" Appalachian people not to; that although neighbors are great to eachother, they don't like outsiders and more particularly they don't like New Yorkers.

One Indian friend of mine was in a "city" in rural western Virginia for work and was warned by the hotel he was staying at not to go out to the bars at night because "people around here don't like Muslims" (he's hindu).

I realize there is extreme poverty in Appalachia, but it seems so otherworldly to me having grown up in a huge city and I definitely would love to do a car trip down that way. I hear it is very beautiful too.
 
2012-04-24 01:07:36 PM
Link

/someone who knows
 
2012-04-24 01:07:40 PM
Being broke-ass poor is no excuse for keeping your shiat filthy.

I mean, if you're unemployed, it's not like you have anything better to do than clean. At least pick shiat up off the floor, damn.
 
2012-04-24 01:14:33 PM

SH: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 640x423]

I gotta great idea... lets fire up a welding torch and weld a foot from my eyes with no protection!


Came to say this.
 
2012-04-24 01:18:30 PM
I think this is what South Carolina is going to look like in 2018 and why is President Cristie using the time machine for this?
 
2012-04-24 01:22:53 PM

FourBlackBars: I think this is what South Carolina is going to look like in 2018 and why is President Cristie using the time machine for this?


i82.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-24 01:25:43 PM

rynthetyn: I don't know if he hunted squirrel because he liked hunting them/eating them or if it was because trying to feed 8 kids while running a dairy farm meant they needed the cheap meat. In any case, it's hard to imagine my very non-outdoorsy mom ever holding the feet of a dead squirrel so it could be skinned.


I have some answer to that. My mother had relatives that owned a ranch up around Astoria back in the 1940's. As girl when she visited she had to help. Including holding chickens down so her great aunt could cut their heads off with a hatchet. She said, even though they killed animals for food they didn't like killing animals. It was part of life.
 
2012-04-24 01:26:23 PM

Lollipop165: I very much want to go there, but I've been told from "urban" Appalachian people not to; that although neighbors are great to eachother, they don't like outsiders and more particularly they don't like New Yorkers.


As long as you don't act like a typical New Yorker, tourist, or idiot you will do just fine. Also, don't act like you are better then them.

I would invite you over, but I live in "appalachia lite" so it isn't as interesting as the deeper parts of the region.
 
2012-04-24 01:28:59 PM

Burr: Janky_McGank: Ohio != Appalachia

*sigh*

[www.diner23.com image 400x390]

about 1/4-1/3 of it is

/could get minority scholarships because I was from Appalachia
//Ohio, born and raised
///There are better maps, but this one made my point enough


That map is from the 1965 Appalachian Regional Commission's identification counties id desperate need of economic development. The "core" Appalachia - that is the historic region - consist only of the Southern Appalachian Mountains that are in the states of West Virginia, Kentucky, Virginia, Tennessee, North Carolina, and Georgia. The foothills of South Carolina and Alabama (actually the Cumberland Plateau) were not included in President Kennedy's original plan, but other areas lobbied to be included (e.g. Maryland, New Jersey, Mississippi and Pennsylvania).
 
2012-04-24 01:29:26 PM

SH: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 640x423]

I gotta great idea... lets fire up a welding torch and weld a foot from my eyes with no protection!


meh. Most people do that all the time. ARC welding sure.. always use protection.. but using a torch? meh.
 
2012-04-24 01:33:07 PM

Lollipop165: I have a small obsession with all things Appalachia.

I read everything, watch every documentary, and so on and so forth about the mountains. When I studied anthropology in college, if I couldn't find a topic on Africa (which was my major) I'd always opt to do Appalachia. It's really fascinating what a seperate culture they are from the rest of America (and even region by region) from Scotch-Irish to Mulengeon, and so on. I particularly love the traditional Appalachian dialect and most of all, their folklore.

I very much want to go there, but I've been told from "urban" Appalachian people not to; that although neighbors are great to eachother, they don't like outsiders and more particularly they don't like New Yorkers.

One Indian friend of mine was in a "city" in rural western Virginia for work and was warned by the hotel he was staying at not to go out to the bars at night because "people around here don't like Muslims" (he's hindu).

I realize there is extreme poverty in Appalachia, but it seems so otherworldly to me having grown up in a huge city and I definitely would love to do a car trip down that way. I hear it is very beautiful too.


Just don't let the sun set on you, and keep movin'.
 
2012-04-24 01:34:44 PM

gibbon1: rynthetyn: I don't know if he hunted squirrel because he liked hunting them/eating them or if it was because trying to feed 8 kids while running a dairy farm meant they needed the cheap meat. In any case, it's hard to imagine my very non-outdoorsy mom ever holding the feet of a dead squirrel so it could be skinned.

I have some answer to that. My mother had relatives that owned a ranch up around Astoria back in the 1940's. As girl when she visited she had to help. Including holding chickens down so her great aunt could cut their heads off with a hatchet. She said, even though they killed animals for food they didn't like killing animals. It was part of life.


My grandmother raised chickens and rabbits. She never bothered with a hatchet, she'd just grab them by the head, and spin em. Then upside down in the Folgers can, they'd go, till they bled out.

She could kill and skin a rabbit faster than you could watch. She'd rap 'em behind the head, with her little tire billy, then stick their head in the perfectly shaped crotch of the tree that grew next to her hutches. Two cuts, one down the torso, and one around the neck, grab the skin and pull. The guts fall out, and the skin comes off like a debutante's dress on prom night. 3-5 seconds per rabbit.
 
2012-04-24 01:37:43 PM

jst3p: looks like we need more tax cuts for the job creators.


Owsley County isn't exactly the kind of place it would be easy to create jobs, cuts or no cuts. No interstate, not even 4 lane highways into the place and I'm not sure about the rail system, but I'm guessing it's seen better days.

One thing that won't help: jacking up taxes on rich people nationwide looking for revenues to payoff supporters on the coasts and in Chicago.

But don't worry though...these people are waiting for FDR to come back and save them. Democrats will always have their votes no matter what, which is terribly sad because the national Democratic Party hasn't does shiat for these people in decades and is totally out of step with them on social issues.

/Floyd County, Kentucky born
//like Dwight Yoakam, Ohio raised
///"Readin', Rightin', Rt. 23"
 
2012-04-24 01:41:18 PM

Lollipop165: I have a small obsession with all things Appalachia.

I read everything, watch every documentary, and so on and so forth about the mountains. When I studied anthropology in college, if I couldn't find a topic on Africa (which was my major) I'd always opt to do Appalachia. It's really fascinating what a seperate culture they are from the rest of America (and even region by region) from Scotch-Irish to Mulengeon, and so on. I particularly love the traditional Appalachian dialect and most of all, their folklore.

I very much want to go there, but I've been told from "urban" Appalachian people not to; that although neighbors are great to eachother, they don't like outsiders and more particularly they don't like New Yorkers.

One Indian friend of mine was in a "city" in rural western Virginia for work and was warned by the hotel he was staying at not to go out to the bars at night because "people around here don't like Muslims" (he's hindu).

I realize there is extreme poverty in Appalachia, but it seems so otherworldly to me having grown up in a huge city and I definitely would love to do a car trip down that way. I hear it is very beautiful too.



Just take a video camera with you and tell them you're working on a documentary. I work in television and I can tell you from experience that rednecks LOOOOVE being "on the TV." (as long as you don't accidentally run up on somebody's growing operation)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAaRFrbB4UQ
 
2012-04-24 01:46:19 PM

hdhale: jst3p: looks like we need more tax cuts for the job creators.

Owsley County isn't exactly the kind of place it would be easy to create jobs, cuts or no cuts. No interstate, not even 4 lane highways into the place and I'm not sure about the rail system, but I'm guessing it's seen better days.

One thing that won't help: jacking up taxes on rich people nationwide looking for revenues to payoff supporters on the coasts and in Chicago.

But don't worry though...these people are waiting for FDR to come back and save them. Democrats will always have their votes no matter what, which is terribly sad because the national Democratic Party hasn't does shiat for these people in decades and is totally out of step with them on social issues.

/Floyd County, Kentucky born
//like Dwight Yoakam, Ohio raised
///"Readin', Rightin', Rt. 23"



Citation???

Preferably something post-Southern Strategy, please.
 
2012-04-24 01:48:59 PM
This is last year's data (gimme time, I'll update it soon) but you can see the percentage of Kentuckians below the poverty rate by county and clearly see how much of Appalachia is below.

And there's nothing wrong with the people, unless you run into the occasional tweaker. They may look at you a little funny if you're wearing a tie, but they're as friendly as friendly comes generally speaking.
 
2012-04-24 01:52:39 PM
What, caption on first picture "former chimney sweep," apparently the Fail believes that poor people in rural america are so backwards they live like 19th century cockneys.
 
2012-04-24 02:00:30 PM
Love all the 'scary hillbilly' warnings. Lots of these people are thrilled to meet strangers. The stranger, the better. But like every group, including those in certain ghettoes, barrios and various enclaves of minority people across the country where the differently pigmented are made to feel less than welcome, there are some assholes.
 
2012-04-24 02:09:43 PM

calbert: I get that they're poor, and I get that that sucks and that their life is probably hard...but why does that mean that you can't collect and dispose of garbage?

and being poor, and then sticking your dick into another poor thus creating a baby poor, isn't going to help your situation.

and yet there always seems to be money for alcohol and tobacco.

focus more on the necessities of life before you burden yourself further with extras.

/such as cable tv and 'Auction Hunters'

//and I'm not trolling, that's just how I feel


Thank you. I no longer need to read the rest of the thread because you are absolutely correct.

If someone smokes, drinks, and shiats out a litter of young'uns, and THEN complains about their poverty, I have three suggestions for them.
 
2012-04-24 02:45:40 PM

kvinesknows: SH: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 640x423]

I gotta great idea... lets fire up a welding torch and weld a foot from my eyes with no protection!

meh. Most people do that all the time. ARC welding sure.. always use protection.. but using a torch? meh.


Have you ever welded with an oxy acetylene torch? It's bright as fark.
 
2012-04-24 02:49:53 PM

btraz70: Hey good lookin! We'll be back to pick ya up later!!

/name the commercial for 5 Internets...

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 640x424]


Mr. Microphone !!!

I can haz teh internets?
 
2012-04-24 03:03:29 PM

Bathia_Mapes: Mock26: tenpoundsofcheese: Bathia_Mapes: Did anyone notice that some commenters were trying to blame the conditions on President Obama?

He has done NOTHING to improve their conditions.
It is his issue now.

0bama doesn't care about the Appalachians.


And neither did Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, etc.

JFK was dead when his brother, Bobby, made his first visit to Appalachia in 1967. So we really don't know if JFK would have been concerned and did something or not. The others, however, have done nothing.


What did JFK do while he was President? Nothing.
 
2012-04-24 03:17:02 PM

Mock26: Bathia_Mapes: Mock26: tenpoundsofcheese: Bathia_Mapes: Did anyone notice that some commenters were trying to blame the conditions on President Obama?

He has done NOTHING to improve their conditions.
It is his issue now.

0bama doesn't care about the Appalachians.


And neither did Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, etc.

JFK was dead when his brother, Bobby, made his first visit to Appalachia in 1967. So we really don't know if JFK would have been concerned and did something or not. The others, however, have done nothing.

What did JFK do while he was President? Nothing.


Gimp.
 
2012-04-24 03:29:07 PM

namatad: I saw a lot of dumbasses with babies.
Nothing personal, but if you are in high school and you have a baby, then you are an uneducated moron.
Nothing like starting your babies life with no hope, rather than a little hope.
You couldnt wait to make a baby until you got out of school and at least one of you had a job?

LOL


While in college, I dated a girl from Paintsville, KY. She admitted that the only thing to do there for kids is:
1. go to school
2. go hunting/fishing
3. farking

You can't go to school 24/7/365.
 
2012-04-24 03:38:25 PM

cmdrpiffle: btraz70: Hey good lookin! We'll be back to pick ya up later!!

/name the commercial for 5 Internets...

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 640x424]

Mr. Microphone !!!

I can haz teh internets?


Ya'll made me look it up...

Link
 
2012-04-24 04:01:10 PM

bel4sucks: Mavent: "Low income" is $45,000 a year? But Republicans ASSURED us that School Teachers are living in the lap of luxury at 45k a year.

a family of 4, genius level


...because Teachers don't have families, retard level?
 
2012-04-24 04:25:56 PM
"Family: Mose Noble, right, rolls up his sleeves during a visit with his nephew"

To do *what* to him???? Man that's a freaky picture.
 
2012-04-24 04:30:36 PM

Mavent: bel4sucks: Mavent: "Low income" is $45,000 a year? But Republicans ASSURED us that School Teachers are living in the lap of luxury at 45k a year.

a family of 4, genius level

...because Teachers don't have families, retard level?


Stupid fark, stfu.
 
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