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2012-04-24 09:21:12 AM  
spindrifter, thanks for that sir. :)
 
2012-04-24 09:22:30 AM  
99 percent of them will vote republican in november (if they vote at all).
 
2012-04-24 09:23:19 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Huggermugger: david_gaithersburg: Huntsville, WV on the my father's side. He escaped by joining the Marines, as many do.

That trillion dollars was actually money well spent - it allowed tens of millions of people to improve their lives, so that there is now only a percentage of people living in abject poverty, instead of an entire multi-state region.

And the amount spent was just a fraction of what was wasted on Vietnam, not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan. But you just keep on whining and throwing feces.

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Actually poverty has increased since the War on Poverty began. But if making up shiat makes you feel better, then more power to ya.


Actually it dropped, but has risen as jobs have left the country and spiked after the stock market crash of 2007. But if making up shiat makes you feel better, then more power to ya.

I mean, honestly...if you went into the poorest parts of the United States 40-50 years ago, you'd enter a place that seemed like a 3rd-world country. I wasn't around for it, but I've seen the documentaries, pictures, etc. A good chunk of the country hadn't left the 19th century.

Come to that, bloody hell, I live in a part of the country where my grandparents live 15 miles away from the nearest town, and could only afford to go to town once a month. Their road was a mud road until about 5 years before I was born. Many of the improvements to the area have happened in the past 40 years, and what kickstarted it was getting power and other utilities out into the rural areas. But hey, now that we have our paved roads, power, and other modern shiat, we have people who claim we did it purely out of hard work and we don't need the damn government and their destructive War on Poverty. Just keep those Social Security and Medicare checks coming, and everything will be OK, but keep the government out of here.

I'll agree that the War on Poverty attacked the problem wrong, though. What they needed to do was model it on the WPA, where you put people to work for their welfare check. I seem to remember that being one of those "OMG SOCIALISM!" hot buttons, though.
 
2012-04-24 09:29:46 AM  

USP .45: This is what a low carbon footprint looks like.


No, this is what a low soap footprint looks like
 
2012-04-24 09:31:47 AM  

Mcbobster: USP .45: This is what a low carbon footprint looks like.

No, this is what a low soap footprint looks like


Both true. They're generally one and the same. The increase of the standard of living and lifespan of the average human has increased in large part due to the industrial age. Any increase or reduction in one is fairly closely tied to the other.
 
2012-04-24 09:37:00 AM  

theMightyRegeya: david_gaithersburg: Huggermugger: david_gaithersburg: Huntsville, WV on the my father's side. He escaped by joining the Marines, as many do.

That trillion dollars was actually money well spent - it allowed tens of millions of people to improve their lives, so that there is now only a percentage of people living in abject poverty, instead of an entire multi-state region.

And the amount spent was just a fraction of what was wasted on Vietnam, not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan. But you just keep on whining and throwing feces.

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Actually poverty has increased since the War on Poverty began. But if making up shiat makes you feel better, then more power to ya.

Actually it dropped, but has risen as jobs have left the country and spiked after the stock market crash of 2007. But if making up shiat makes you feel better, then more power to ya.

I mean, honestly...if you went into the poorest parts of the United States 40-50 years ago, you'd enter a place that seemed like a 3rd-world country. I wasn't around for it, but I've seen the documentaries, pictures, etc. A good chunk of the country hadn't left the 19th century.

Come to that, bloody hell, I live in a part of the country where my grandparents live 15 miles away from the nearest town, and could only afford to go to town once a month. Their road was a mud road until about 5 years before I was born. Many of the improvements to the area have happened in the past 40 years, and what kickstarted it was getting power and other utilities out into the rural areas. But hey, now that we have our paved roads, power, and other modern shiat, we have people who claim we did it purely out of hard work and we don't need the damn government and their destructive War on Poverty. Just keep those Social Security and Medicare checks coming, and everything will be OK, but keep the government out of here.

I'll agree that the War on Poverty attacked the problem wrong, though. What they needed to do was model it on the WPA, ...


The county I grew up in was very rural and (generally) a bit on the poor side. The problem we had was that there really wasn't much of a local economy. A few factories, and what low wage jobs that might exist in the handful of small towns. Pretty much anyone who had a higher wage job commuted (long-distance) every day to one of the mid-sized cities, at least an hours drive away if not more.
Agriculture used to be a major part of the local economy, but is in the process of dying. I would say within 20-30 years, there will be almost no farmers left in the area.
Given the above, there is a slow, gradual bleeding away of the population over the past couple of generations. Kids (myself included) graduate high school to basically no local options. You have to get out if you're going to have any opportunity. If you want to stay local, you have to accept the aforementioned long commute, although less and less people are choosing that route.
 
2012-04-24 09:41:14 AM  
Most of those seem like good, decent folks who are doing the best with what they have. It's the ones that allow even the inside of their homes to be a mess that they could clean up that concern me.
 
2012-04-24 09:43:31 AM  

Wind Chimes: I live in the coalfields of southern WV. I am a native WV'ian, but not from the coalfields, so living here for the past three years has been eye-opening for me.

This level of poverty is pervasive throughout Appalachia. And Mountain Doo is correct, these are not stupid people. There are by and large honest, intelligent, kind, generous, hard-working people. They and their ancestors have been exploited for over 100 years; those generational wounds don't heal themselves overnight. All I hear from younger people here is how they have to get out, get away, that there is nothing for them here. That's heartbreaking on so many levels.


I agree with the both of you. These folk are generous, kind, ignorant, proud, poor, but by no means not stupid. The people of Appalachia survive conditions that would kill the average American. They do it by drawing on generations of wisdom and lore.

They got a royal screw job from the coal companies. Having destroyed the people in their effort to get coal, they are now more efficiently destroying the mountains themselves.
 
2012-04-24 09:47:34 AM  

babysealclubber: Thunderpipes: skantea:.

That documentary showed the worst of the worst, like most documentaries. But it's true, people want to make the coal companies out to be the villains, when coal severance money pays for things like new roads, technical centers, high schools, hospitals, adult education centers, etc. and provide about the highest paying starting jobs you can ask for out with just a high school diploma.

The drug addiction problem causes most of the problems in the area anymore. It creates a vicious cycle that kids get sucked into, even if they don't get hooked on drugs too. They feel a responsibility to their family to try and take care of everybody. I've known more people to be killed over drugs/overdose than most.


I agree that drug addiction causes most of the problems these days but coal companies have often been the villain. Things may be different in your area, but I don't know of any free clinics where I'm from. The local hospitals are for-profit and medical care is just as expensive as any where else. The coal companies should pay their fair share for the roads, using them to haul coal destroys them. Hopefully there are some technical schools and adult education programs geared toward the locals now but when I lived there the only such program catered to youths shipped in from inner cities hundreds of miles away. Hiring for the mines may also be different but unless you were a member of a minority that the Feds mandated they hire, you didn't just apply for a job and get one. You had to know someone. Yes, there are some perks trickle down to the right people, but at what cost? I'm disgusted every time I go home and discover another mountaintop removed. Outside corporations may not be totally evil, but don't forget that at one time if you wouldn't sell them your timber or mineral rights, they simply bought them from your widow.
 
2012-04-24 09:52:05 AM  

Mountain Doo: Those people are not stupid. Redneck? Hell yeah. But I've never met nicer, kinder and more generous people than that.


You can be nice, kind, generous, and stupid.
 
2012-04-24 09:53:16 AM  

jtown: Many people live, literally, in the moment. Next week does not exist. Tomorrow is a vague, fuzzy concept. I'm sure there's some fancy name for this scenario.


Aboriginal.
 
2012-04-24 09:53:29 AM  
I really don't like it when other countries come to the US, find the most backward place possible, take a bunch of artsy pictures and act like they've discovered the "real" america.

How would England like it if Fox News went there and did a massive photo journal on the travelers (pikey's)? Or went to France and did a spread on the Muslim slums were they still practice Shariah law and teen weddings?

Perhaps it's me, but it just feels rude. Like being invited to a persons house, and not only going through their medicine cabinet looking for embarassing creams - but also taking pictures of it and posting them on the web.

/interesting how the most oppressive countries won't allow stories like this. They have more to hide than poor people getting by in their own way.
 
2012-04-24 09:54:20 AM  

HAMMERTOE: mrbach: These people vote against social support and universal healthcare because it goes against their principle of freedom. Good job GOP. You CAN sell ice to Eskimos.

Actually, because it's about PRIDE. Real, actual pride over something that's actually under their control. Not accepting handouts is a lot more substantial than pride in something you actually have no control in, like skin color.

And, as was pointed out up-thread, where are the drive-by shootings, drug abuse and rampant crime supposedly caused by poverty?


all right there if you know where to look. It gets less attention because the population densities are lower, but the crime rate per capita is nearly identical. If you haven't already, watch the documentary mentioned here (The Whites of W Va) on netflix and compare and contrast the number of people in that family with criminal records to your typical group of people the same size living in an Inner city
 
2012-04-24 09:55:55 AM  

DysphoricMania: Daily Fail can kiss my butt.... They have no understanding of the people that live there, why they live as they do, or why they stay there.


They didn't even send a reporter there. Look at the photo credit.

"(c) Getty Images"

They bought a set of pictures from Getty Images off the internet and wrote the article based on the descriptions to the pictures, combined with some publicly available basic demographic data (also available on the internet). Lazy reporting at it's finest.
 
2012-04-24 09:57:21 AM  

stormlead: "A clean house is a sign of a wasted life."

Here to represent the "slobs."

As long as the surface you are eating on is clean and your food is clean, I find the rest of cleaning to be a massive waste of time - you could be learning something interesting, solving a challenging problem, strategizing about life, or even posting on Fark!

To each his own I guess.


This is a pretty strange line of reasoning. If you can't be bothered to keep your house clean, except for dinner tables and dishes, there's little chance you spend your time productively in some other way. For most of the people I've met, their productiveness correlates with their cleanliness. Most of the slobs I've met, some of whom can't even be bothered to clean all of the food off their used dishes, have been the laziest people I've known in general. They spend their time watching TV and screwing around on the internet, and they do the least problem solving or learning of anyone I've ever met.

I have met *one* person who has a good job and does productive, meaningful things in her free time, but doesn't really care about dirty dishes and assorted junk being strewn about her place. This "otherwise productive slob" just isn't common.
 
2012-04-24 10:01:00 AM  
American Hollow. Worth watching.
 
2012-04-24 10:01:52 AM  

wellreadneck: I agree that drug addiction causes most of the problems these days but coal companies have often been the villain. Things may be different in your area, but I don't know of any free clinics where I'm from. The local hospitals are for-profit and medical care is just as expensive as any where else. The coal companies should pay their fair share for the roads, using them to haul coal destroys them


They do pay for the roads, and everything else. That's what the coal severance money is for, and ask any county executive. The state/fed do very little to help them out. I just saw a new clinic around Mud Creek in Johnson County two weeks ago. Free clinic? Probably not, but definitely a clinic geared for low income families.
 
2012-04-24 10:02:29 AM  

Brytanica1: As a gay man, I'm the only one of my friends that knows how to gut, skin, joint and bone everything from a squirrel to a groundhog, how to clean fish with just a butter knife, what time of year to hunt morels, and the best time and way to gig a frog.


When drunk?
 
2012-04-24 10:03:28 AM  

Thunderpipes: skantea: 20/20 did a special on this called Hidden America- Children of the mountains. It's pretty heartbreaking. There was a controversy becuse they documented incest happening in one of the families profiled and that hit too close to home as a cultural stereotype.

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syUwFmYeSVw

Had to watch that whole thing. How come none of the people join the military? 60k a year to start in the mines, and the owner says he can't fill jobs because everyone is on drugs. Sorry, I have to call moron on this. I don't care how poor you are, doing drugs is dumb. Hope the football player kid makes it someday. That is sad.


Show Me a miner making 60k\yr and I'll show you a man working a 14-16 hr day with OT or a highly specialized rock-jock like a demo engineer or equipment operator. And the other thing that those salaries fail to take into account is that it's the rare miner that makes it 20 years working in the mine much less 30. The ones that accidents or the back-breaking pace of the work don't take, the silicosis (or black lung) will. Every miner knows that going down into the pit is a slow death sentence and most would rather their kids did anything but. Now add to this mix the damage Massey energy has done to working conditions by busting out the unions and deliberately ignoring safety regulations, and it ain't a mystery why only the most desperate of folk apply to work the mines.
 
2012-04-24 10:04:39 AM  

Magorn: HAMMERTOE: mrbach: These people vote against social support and universal healthcare because it goes against their principle of freedom. Good job GOP. You CAN sell ice to Eskimos.

Actually, because it's about PRIDE. Real, actual pride over something that's actually under their control. Not accepting handouts is a lot more substantial than pride in something you actually have no control in, like skin color.

And, as was pointed out up-thread, where are the drive-by shootings, drug abuse and rampant crime supposedly caused by poverty?

all right there if you know where to look. It gets less attention because the population densities are lower, but the crime rate per capita is nearly identical. If you haven't already, watch the documentary mentioned here (The Whites of W Va) on netflix and compare and contrast the number of people in that family with criminal records to your typical group of people the same size living in an Inner city


Definitely. I mean, the drug abuse is probably worse than inner-cities. Property theft (for drug money) and fraud (forging checks and the like) happen quite often.
 
2012-04-24 10:06:45 AM  

Mark Ratner: These pics make me think of the dancing outlaw, Jessco. "So I held the butcher knife to her throat, and told her I don't want to eat no sloppy eggs."

/wonder what happened to that guy


The amazing whites was a great documentary, seriously farked up family, it still boggles my brain that the girl was snorting drugs in her hospital room JUST AFTER giving birth and was shocked DFACS took her newborn.

Still, they aren't killing each other like in the ghetto, you have an argument, you fight, arguments over. As it should be, ghettos turned into pussies shooting over shiat cause they're scared to get their ass beat.
 
2012-04-24 10:08:06 AM  

Father_Jack: spindrifter, thanks for that sir. :)


Something else to check out: Route 321, between Columbia, SC, and Hardeeville, GA. It's not nearly as bad in its entirety as it was in the mid-90's, but there are some parts that haven't changed a lick. Gives you the literal meaning of what being on the wrong side of the tracks is like. Beautiful places, and total abandon, all mixed together. A great drive to listen to some classic Muddy Waters.
 
2012-04-24 10:09:59 AM  

Magorn: Show Me a miner making 60k\yr and I'll show you a man working a 14-16 hr day with OT or a highly specialized rock-jock like a demo engineer or equipment operator. And the other thing that those salaries fail to take into account is that it's the rare miner that makes it 20 years working in the mine much less 30. The ones that accidents or the back-breaking pace of the work don't take, the silicosis (or black lung) will. Every miner knows that going down into the pit is a slow death sentence and most would rather their kids did anything but. Now add to this mix the damage Massey energy has done to working conditions by busting out the unions and deliberately ignoring safety regulations, and it ain't a mystery why only the most desperate of folk apply to work the mines.


You don't know what you are talking about. For one, Massey doesn't even exist anymore. Secondly, no coal company is working 14-16 hour days for one shift. Most mines run 2-3 shifts, and the 3rd is usually a staggered maintenance shift. But yes, you can easily pull nearly 60k a year. Laborers start out $18-20 an hour, and you typically are slated for five 10 hour shifts (8 underground, 1 hour in and 1 out). The "desperate folk" are not the ones who apply to the mines.
 
2012-04-24 10:11:46 AM  

Magorn: demo engineer


And holy shiat, maybe one or two coal mines still use underground explosives. Where in the hell are you getting any of this?
 
2012-04-24 10:13:48 AM  

discgolfguru: I loved growing up in the Appalachian coalfields, for the most part. I still like it now that I am older, even though opportunities are limited in many ways. I live just a few streets away from quite a few of the Whites in "The Wild and Wonderful Whites of WV" flick, too. I can't say that's a selling point.

Kind of sums up this region:

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So I'm sure you probably eat at Park Avenue occasionally too, eh? I'm there for lunch at least once every two weeks.
 
2012-04-24 10:14:09 AM  

steamingpile: Still, they aren't killing each other like in the ghetto, you have an argument, you fight, arguments over. As it should be, ghettos turned into pussies shooting over shiat cause they're scared to get their ass beat.


You obviously didn't see the part in the movie where the one boy was sent to prison for attempted murder, for shooting his uncle in the face. People get shot in the mountains too.
 
2012-04-24 10:15:26 AM  

skantea: 20/20 did a special on this called Hidden America- Children of the mountains. It's pretty heartbreaking. There was a controversy becuse they documented incest happening in one of the families profiled and that hit too close to home as a cultural stereotype.

Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syUwFmYeSVw


I remember that special - it broke my heart. Thanks for the link.
 
2012-04-24 10:16:08 AM  

babysealclubber: wellreadneck: I agree that drug addiction causes most of the problems these days but coal companies have often been the villain. Things may be different in your area, but I don't know of any free clinics where I'm from. The local hospitals are for-profit and medical care is just as expensive as any where else. The coal companies should pay their fair share for the roads, using them to haul coal destroys them

They do pay for the roads, and everything else. That's what the coal severance money is for, and ask any county executive. The state/fed do very little to help them out. I just saw a new clinic around Mud Creek in Johnson County two weeks ago. Free clinic? Probably not, but definitely a clinic geared for low income families.


My sister-in-law is off Little Mud in Floyd county. Does the head of Mud creek lie in Johnson county or is there another Mud I'm not familiar with?
 
2012-04-24 10:16:51 AM  
My people

Freedom is messy, but it don't mean you have to let dishes pile up in the sink

(my Daddy grew up in a two room log cabin wallpapered with newspapers, and Grandmother killed guinea hens for supper by accurately throwing a rock. Not a woman to mess with. Granddaddy was a circuit riding preacher on a mule - but tougher kinder smarter people you'll never meet.)
 
2012-04-24 10:17:20 AM  

wellreadneck: My sister-in-law is off Little Mud in Floyd county. Does the head of Mud creek lie in Johnson county or is there another Mud I'm not familiar with?


I meant Floyd County. I don't know why in the hell I said Johnson. My friend just bought a house in Dana, so he was having a house warming party.
 
2012-04-24 10:20:33 AM  

babysealclubber: steamingpile: Still, they aren't killing each other like in the ghetto, you have an argument, you fight, arguments over. As it should be, ghettos turned into pussies shooting over shiat cause they're scared to get their ass beat.

You obviously didn't see the part in the movie where the one boy was sent to prison for attempted murder, for shooting his uncle in the face. People get shot in the mountains too.


True, but we know HOW to shoot. We hit what we aim for. Both parties know this. If it comes to shooting somebody is probably gonna die. That is why it is more rare.
 
2012-04-24 10:20:50 AM  

Father_Jack: david_gaithersburg: Huggermugger: david_gaithersburg: Huntsville, WV on the my father's side. He escaped by joining the Marines, as many do.

That trillion dollars was actually money well spent - it allowed tens of millions of people to improve their lives, so that there is now only a percentage of people living in abject poverty, instead of an entire multi-state region.

And the amount spent was just a fraction of what was wasted on Vietnam, not to mention Iraq and Afghanistan. But you just keep on whining and throwing feces.

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Actually poverty has increased since the War on Poverty began. But if making up shiat makes you feel better, then more power to ya.

both of you need to quote your citations or go to your rooms as youre just flinging partisan poo at this point.


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I hope the the NY Times and The US Census Bureau will do.

Link We are now at the "highest rate in 52 years".
 
2012-04-24 10:23:07 AM  

gweilo8888: FTFA: The trailer where Johnny is playing has no electricity or running water, but Mose Noble receives governmental aide and nieighbours have offered to help when they can"

Why get the nieighbours [sic] to help, when you've got a handy governmental aide [sic] to do the dishes for you? Set him or her to work, posthaste!

/dear Daily Fail: Hire a farking proofreader, you sorry bunch of muppets


Context is everything. There's one typo in that sentence, but I bet you think there are three. English dialects don't just sound different, they have different spellings as well...
 
2012-04-24 10:24:31 AM  

babysealclubber: wellreadneck: My sister-in-law is off Little Mud in Floyd county. Does the head of Mud creek lie in Johnson county or is there another Mud I'm not familiar with?

I meant Floyd County. I don't know why in the hell I said Johnson. My friend just bought a house in Dana, so he was having a house warming party.


My sister ran the Sam Antonio's at Betsy Layne for years. I know lots of Mud Creekers.
 
2012-04-24 10:34:36 AM  

misanthropologist: Context is everything. There's one typo in that sentence, but I bet you think there are three. English dialects don't just sound different, they have different spellings as well...


Nice try, but I'm British myself, and there are two mistakes in that sentence. We needn't argue over 'nieighbours'; I don't think you'd consider that one defensible. Aide is also a typo, as should have been obvious if you'd read my comment, rather than simply snarking straight away.

"Mose Noble receives governmental aide," says the article.

Aide, according to the Cambridge dictionary of British English: "a person whose job is to help someone important, such as a member of a government or a military officer of high rank"

So... unless you believe that Mr. Noble is "receiving" a government official, then that is clearly a typo. I presume the third thing you believe I thought to be a mistake was "governmental", but I don't. That's a word, and would if the other typos hadn't existed, have been correctly used. Had I believed it to be a typo, I would've marked it with a [sic], as I did with the other typos.
 
2012-04-24 10:37:05 AM  
FTA: Job shortages hit the region hard due to declines in demand for coal, lumber and tobacco; and the community of 4,700 is struggling for work.

Well, Obama promised to bankrupt the coal industry if elected. At least he's not a liar.

FTA: Last year, 48.6 per cent of the population in Owsley below 18-years-old fell below the poverty line - a seven per cent increase from their parents' generation.

Is this the hope and change you were looking for?
 
2012-04-24 10:38:00 AM  
damn that blonde is hot.
 
2012-04-24 10:38:52 AM  
well, them girls got those stripper names and bodies going for them, so they can at least move and makes some real$$.
 
2012-04-24 10:42:09 AM  

900RR: FTA: Job shortages hit the region hard due to declines in demand for coal, lumber and tobacco; and the community of 4,700 is struggling for work.

Well, Obama promised to bankrupt the coal industry if elected. At least he's not a liar.

FTA: Last year, 48.6 per cent of the population in Owsley below 18-years-old fell below the poverty line - a seven per cent increase from their parents' generation.

Is this the hope and change you were looking for?


That's why I'm voting for Romney. He'll fix poverty in Appalachia.
 
2012-04-24 10:43:39 AM  
Sounds like a hippie's wet dream. I guarantee they pollute less than any of us. MPG? Who needs it when you can walk or ride a horse? Energy bills? Try wood burning stoves and no running water. Throw out the trash? How about we recycle/reuse some of it. This car hood makes a great awning on the house. This milk jug works great as a dog bowl! What is this pile of wood doing unused? I should make a new fence.

/These people live their lives much better than those of us who sit in front of screens all day
//their wimmins is hot too
 
2012-04-24 10:43:58 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Did anyone notice that some commenters were trying to blame the conditions on President Obama? I guess some people have forgotten or aren't aware that such conditions were apparent when Senator Robert F Kennedy visited the area in the latter part of the 60s.


Okay, so it's Obama's fault AND the Kennedys' fault.
 
2012-04-24 10:46:14 AM  

kukukupo: Sounds like a hippie's wet dream. I guarantee they pollute less than any of us. MPG? Who needs it when you can walk or ride a horse? Energy bills? Try wood burning stoves and no running water. Throw out the trash? How about we recycle/reuse some of it. This car hood makes a great awning on the house. This milk jug works great as a dog bowl! What is this pile of wood doing unused? I should make a new fence.

/These people live their lives much better than those of us who sit in front of screens all day
//their wimmins is hot too


Well, ignore the fact that some of them run their septic pipes into streams or old ground wells. That shiat had me on the verge of throwing up on the spot the first time I discovered that.
 
2012-04-24 10:49:46 AM  
Rural America, where there's nothing for kids to do but drink and fark.
 
2012-04-24 10:51:48 AM  

babysealclubber: kukukupo: Sounds like a hippie's wet dream. I guarantee they pollute less than any of us. MPG? Who needs it when you can walk or ride a horse? Energy bills? Try wood burning stoves and no running water. Throw out the trash? How about we recycle/reuse some of it. This car hood makes a great awning on the house. This milk jug works great as a dog bowl! What is this pile of wood doing unused? I should make a new fence.

/These people live their lives much better than those of us who sit in front of screens all day
//their wimmins is hot too

Well, ignore the fact that some of them run their septic pipes into streams or old ground wells. That shiat had me on the verge of throwing up on the spot the first time I discovered that.


People and animals have been doing that since the beginning of life on earth. Shiatting in the wild is about as "green" as you can get.
 
2012-04-24 10:52:48 AM  

kukukupo: Sounds like a hippie's wet dream. I guarantee they pollute less than any of us. MPG? Who needs it when you can walk or ride a horse?


That was the local "riding club". The subject of the photos weren't the ones owning and riding the horses. A horse is more expensive in monetary and opportunity cost to maintain and fuel than a car... that's why we all changed to cars 90 years ago.

/These people live their lives much better than those of us who sit in front of screens all day

Speak for yourself.
 
2012-04-24 10:59:49 AM  
It's sad, but as soon as you try to provide these people with basic services, phone, electricity, and running water then it's "Socialism". We live in the richest country in the world and there's no excuse for any of us allowing this kind of thing to continue, but just try to raise taxes 1% on someone to provide a minimum of the American standard of living to a handful of its citizens and see the insanity that oozes out of the woodwork.

These people don't just lack money, but they lack the opportunity to better themselves. By denying them this chance for petty reasons we have made this country poorer.
 
2012-04-24 11:03:52 AM  

JoanHaus: Lee


I own property in Porter County, just north of Lee County. I know all my neighbors, and not one of them fits that description.
 
2012-04-24 11:04:06 AM  
taurusowner: ...

People and animals have been doing that since the beginning of life on earth. Shiatting in the wild is about as "green" as you can get.


Except when it's concentrated, uncomposted, or laced with pharmies. Over the long term, it will screw the water up something fierce. Example: Gemini Springs, in Volusia County, Fl. Cattle waste started showing up in the water in 2001 and is still present (the springs are closed to swimming indefinately).

Solid waste is meant to be spread out, picked through by birds and bugs, and composted by agents of entropy. Putting your turds into an old well on your property is not a very good idea.
 
2012-04-24 11:06:50 AM  

namatad: I saw a lot of dumbasses with babies.
Nothing personal, but if you are in high school and you have a baby, then you are an uneducated moron.
Nothing like starting your babies life with no hope, rather than a little hope.
You couldnt wait to make a baby until you got out of school and at least one of you had a job?

LOL


Dammit, and I like you.

My grandmother and my grandfather eloped in 1916, when she was 13 and he was 16. They lived in the Indian Territories of Oklahoma. They were married 50 years, until my grandfather passed on. They raised seven children, 41 grandchildren, and over 100 great-grandchildren.

My mother was born in 1943, the sixth of seven children. When she was 13, she was supporting her family because my grandfather had broken his back in an oilfield accident, and all her older brothers were fighting in WWII. They were living in a GP Medium Army tent in Long Beach California. Oh, she also birthed my oldest brother then. She had a ninth grade education.

Her husband pissed off the wrong people, and went into hiding, and she didn't see him again, until my oldest brother was grown. She remarried in 1961, to my father, and was most content as a housewife, until my father died in 1972 (thank you Viet Nam War, very much).

As a single mother of three, she waited tables at night, and went to community college in the daytime (full-time on both), and got her GED and a degree in accounting. She ultimately raised four children (I was the first of our clan to graduate high school, and eventually college), and retired from two different jobs with full pension.

She died in December, still looking like she was in her late 40's, but actually 67, and feeling like she was 90. She wore herself out.

Please don't denigrate people who start with nothing. My mother was no moron. Nor my grandmother.
 
2012-04-24 11:19:14 AM  

Wind Chimes: So I'm sure you probably eat at Park Avenue occasionally too, eh? I'm there for lunch at least once every two weeks.


Been there many times, although not in a while. I found out they put shredded mozzarella cheese on their taco salad, and I haven't forgiven them yet.
 
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