I never did get why a Bible was there in the first place, outside of trying to shame married travelling salesmen into staying faithful back in the day. I mean, do average people just sit down and read the Bible in their free time for the kicks? You couldn't bring your own? Hell, get a Kindle or just the free Kindle app for your computer, and you can download multiple copies for free.

In short, BRING YOUR OWN DAMN BIBLE IF YOU CARE SO FARKING MUCH. Stop looking to the rest of us to reenforce your persecution complex you Christians have had since the Romans. You're the majority now, just relax already.

The Onanist: Bibles placed in hotel rooms by The Gideons are meant to be taken.

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/Hot, like a stolen bible.

They're great for starting wood stoves.

/Thanks Gideons!

Religious freedom (connect ... dots) oxymoron.

I sound fat: dont have a dog in this fight, but Ive never understood militant atheists.

Fine, you dont believe, but why the activism against those that do? Got nothing better to do with your free time? Do they do it just for fun?

If you resent them for being preachy, think. Why is it wrong for them to attack YOUR beliefs, buts it okay for you to go on the offensive and try to deny them theirs?

Can you be THAT naive? They constantly attempt to have (and in countries like the USA succeed in having) their beliefs enshrined in law and policy that affects everyone, whether that person believes as they do or not. You have not observed this to be the case? Really? Even in this little tiny case Christians are demanding that the nation's military provide christian bibles to every service-person (presumably in the hope that they will eventually read it and be sucked in). Why on earth would it be doing that? It is not the army of god it is the army of the USA.

phrawgh: The Onanist: Bibles placed in hotel rooms by The Gideons are meant to be taken.

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/Hot, like a stolen bible.

They're great for starting wood stoves.

/Thanks Gideons!

I have never smoked, but I've had friends tell me they make great rolling papers.

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: The more intelligent Christians understand the correlation between Islam, Buddhism and Christianity so I wouldn't mind. I've attended masses for all of them in the military.

Just to nitpick a bit, I don't think the Muslims or Buddhists call it "mass".

Descartes: In before the....no, no actually I'm too late....



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I son't hate Christians per se. I hate Christians who whine that they're being persecuted because some of us choose to not follow their primitive belief system.

Sounds like the Abimelech Society is falling behind...

gaspode: I sound fat: dont have a dog in this fight, but Ive never understood militant atheists.

Fine, you dont believe, but why the activism against those that do? Got nothing better to do with your free time? Do they do it just for fun?

If you resent them for being preachy, think. Why is it wrong for them to attack YOUR beliefs, buts it okay for you to go on the offensive and try to deny them theirs?

Can you be THAT naive? They constantly attempt to have (and in countries like the USA succeed in having) their beliefs enshrined in law and policy that affects everyone, whether that person believes as they do or not. You have not observed this to be the case? Really? Even in this little tiny case Christians are demanding that the nation's military provide christian bibles to every service-person (presumably in the hope that they will eventually read it and be sucked in). Why on earth would it be doing that? It is not the army of god it is the army of the USA.

Yeah, but sometimes atheists are callous, so we should all just sit down and shut up.. Don't want to go oppressing anyone with that whole "constitution" thing.

God-is-a-Taco: Tatsuma: The people complaining about this are such a bunch of cry babies.

Does that include the "cockpit atheist"?
This isn't quite "bible verses on sniper scopes" or whatever that thing was, but any military endorsement of a religion is pretty crappy.

The soldiers don't need bibles, they need psychologists and other trained mental health experts to treat the trauma their brain is going through after being carelessly shoveled through multiple tours and then discarded.

I wondered about this myself recently when we had a Navy Chaplin in our ER to see a young guy that took a roll of his motorcycle. The kid was sleeping, so Father whats-his-nuts was hanging out around the main desk and I was talking with him about what a Chaplin actually, you know, DOES.

Turns out that while some of them have real, honest psychological training, it's not required. He himself was well educated, but held his Masters in some sort of religious studies thing. Yet they are deployed and given huge amount of resources (and a hell of a lot of time and pseudo hero worship on Armed Forces Network) to take care of their "spiritual needs?"

I'm not saying there is no need for them, as many people find comfort and strength in their religion and I won't fault them that. I just think that they should also have some, I don't know, TRAINING in psych if they are going to function in that capacity as well.

Shadowknight: I never did get why a Bible was there in the first place, outside of trying to shame married travelling salesmen into staying faithful back in the day. I mean, do average people just sit down and read the Bible in their free time for the kicks? You couldn't bring your own? Hell, get a Kindle or just the free Kindle app for your computer, and you can download multiple copies for free.

In short, BRING YOUR OWN DAMN BIBLE IF YOU CARE SO FARKING MUCH. Stop looking to the rest of us to reenforce your persecution complex you Christians have had since the Romans. You're the majority now, just relax already.

Here is an article about why, it's evangelism, but a passive way of going about it rather than a screaming in your face about it method. They have been giving them away to hotels for over a hundred years, at the current rate of 1.5 million bibles per month.
Link

Tatsuma: The people complaining about this are such a bunch of cry babies.

Oh boo-hoo, there is a Bible in a drawer, how awful!


Just don't read it, and let everyone else decide whether they want to use it or not.

Same would apply to porn magazines to right? And no, I don't want my children coming across a bible, I find it highly offensive.

swaniefrmreddeer: If they were to be fair, there would be lots of broken drawers.

Be sure to also include this.

Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there. The Air Force is removing them from the checklist because they are not an Air Force requirement.

Zalan: Shadowknight: I never did get why a Bible was there in the first place, outside of trying to shame married travelling salesmen into staying faithful back in the day. I mean, do average people just sit down and read the Bible in their free time for the kicks? You couldn't bring your own? Hell, get a Kindle or just the free Kindle app for your computer, and you can download multiple copies for free.

In short, BRING YOUR OWN DAMN BIBLE IF YOU CARE SO FARKING MUCH. Stop looking to the rest of us to reenforce your persecution complex you Christians have had since the Romans. You're the majority now, just relax already.

Here is an article about why, it's evangelism, but a passive way of going about it rather than a screaming in your face about it method. They have been giving them away to hotels for over a hundred years, at the current rate of 1.5 million bibles per month.
Link

It never really bothered me that they were there outside of feeling evangelicalized to, and it wouldn't bother me if they disappeared either. I'm kinda cool with it either way, to be honest. I do appreciate that it's more of a non-invasive attempt at spreading the word, which is nice.

But when they start whining about some people not putting them in hotel or barracks rooms and calling it denial of their rights, that makes me want to just ban them outright. Spiteful, yes, but I am sick of coddling the fragile-yet-venomous nature of today's American Christian Evangelical.

MarkEC: Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there.

You don't think that the people stocking the rooms might have been, you know, checking the checklist to see everything on it is in the room? It being the checklist and all?

basilbrush: Tatsuma: The people complaining about this are such a bunch of cry babies.

Oh boo-hoo, there is a Bible in a drawer, how awful!


Just don't read it, and let everyone else decide whether they want to use it or not.

Same would apply to porn magazines to right? And no, I don't want my children coming across a bible, I find it highly offensive.

At least there is no child rape or murder in porn. Or if there is, people got to jail.

with that logic, we need to keep a copy of the Koran, the Torah, the Bhavagad Gita, Tao Te Ching, and all other major religious texts in every hotel room. I mean, what about the right of non-Christians to study their faith in a random hotel? We have been crushing their religious freedom all these years. Oh wait, non-Christians don't count. I keep forgetting....

BYOB and shut up. Your hotel-room bibles probably aren't saving anyone anyway.

Shadowknight: In short, BRING YOUR OWN DAMN BIBLE IF YOU CARE SO FARKING MUCH. Stop looking to the rest of us to reenforce your persecution complex you Christians have had since the Romans. You're the majority now, just relax already.

atheist/agnostic/indifferent here. Why shouldn't a private business be able to offer religious books provided by a nonprofit society if they choose. Are you forced to read it? Antique morality tales like Aesop's fables wrapped in belief in an omnipotent invisible best friend.

basilbrush: Tatsuma: The people complaining about this are such a bunch of cry babies.

Oh boo-hoo, there is a Bible in a drawer, how awful!


Just don't read it, and let everyone else decide whether they want to use it or not.

Same would apply to porn magazines to right? And no, I don't want my children coming across a bible, I find it highly offensive.

I'd be willing to bet that more people come across porn magazines than bibles.

Shadowknight: Zalan: Shadowknight: I never did get why a Bible was there in the first place, outside of trying to shame married travelling salesmen into staying faithful back in the day. I mean, do average people just sit down and read the Bible in their free time for the kicks? You couldn't bring your own? Hell, get a Kindle or just the free Kindle app for your computer, and you can download multiple copies for free.

In short, BRING YOUR OWN DAMN BIBLE IF YOU CARE SO FARKING MUCH. Stop looking to the rest of us to reenforce your persecution complex you Christians have had since the Romans. You're the majority now, just relax already.

Here is an article about why, it's evangelism, but a passive way of going about it rather than a screaming in your face about it method. They have been giving them away to hotels for over a hundred years, at the current rate of 1.5 million bibles per month.
Link

It never really bothered me that they were there outside of feeling evangelicalized to, and it wouldn't bother me if they disappeared either. I'm kinda cool with it either way, to be honest. I do appreciate that it's more of a non-invasive attempt at spreading the word, which is nice.

But when they start whining about some people not putting them in hotel or barracks rooms and calling it denial of their rights, that makes me want to just ban them outright. Spiteful, yes, but I am sick of coddling the fragile-yet-venomous nature of today's American Christian Evangelical.

From what I understand the Gideons donate them to the hotels and prisons, at a cost to themselves of about $5 per bible. I too appreciate the much more passive method of them spreading their word, and it's easy to ignore. If they are donated to a hotel, I don't mind one bit if they put them in the rooms. I don't want to pay even a penny extra on my bill for the hotel to be required to buy bibles or other religious material to put in the room.

Teknowaffle: I got that book, by Penn and Teller: "How to Play in Traffic" and there was a section on how they kept the bible from every hotel room they stayed in, as a keep sake. I started doing that, and by the time I was 18 had about 50 or 60 of them.

I always rig the Bible in my room for the card trick they talk about. I've only performed the trick a couple of times, so the rest of the time I draw a pentagon on the inside as P&T suggest, so the next person can do the trick.

I'd much rather find a dictionary, book of short stories, or the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics in my room, though. Maybe some girlie mags. All of that would be a lot more entertaining (and useful) than the Bible.

Tatsuma: The people complaining
about this are such a bunch of cry babies.
Oh boo-hoo, there is a Bible in a drawer, how
awful!
Just don't read it, and let everyone else decide
whether they want to use it or not.
Same would apply to porn magazines to right?
And no, I don't want my children coming across a bible, I find it highly offensive.
At least there is no child rape or murder in porn.
Or if there is, people got to jail.
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Now, now, you HAVE to understand - Tats is Religious i.e. He and His Own have certain rights that sane, realistic people like us simply must respect.
It's not our fault we don't believe in his Sky Wizard and we should always bow to him.
/it is in their 'holy goat farker book' so it must be true!!

MarkEC: Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there. The Air Force is removing them from the checklist because they are not an Air Force requirement.

Ssssh, you're ruining the idealism war with your relentless logic.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Teknowaffle: I got that book, by Penn and Teller: "How to Play in Traffic" and there was a section on how they kept the bible from every hotel room they stayed in, as a keep sake. I started doing that, and by the time I was 18 had about 50 or 60 of them.

I always rig the Bible in my room for the card trick they talk about. I've only performed the trick a couple of times, so the rest of the time I draw a pentagon on the inside as P&T suggest, so the next person can do the trick.

I'd much rather find a dictionary, book of short stories, or the Handbook of Chemistry and Physics in my room, though. Maybe some girlie mags. All of that would be a lot more entertaining (and useful) than the Bible.

You might consider starting a nonprofit to distribute those things to hotels on your own dime, then. That's how the bibles got there. I mean, I think the gideons are silly, but it's their own time and money they're spending.

Tatsuma: Shadowknight: I never did get why a Bible was there in the first place,

because religion is important to religious people?

If it's that important, they'd have their own. If they left it at home, that's their problem.

MarkEC: Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there. The Air Force is removing them from the checklist because they are not an Air Force requirement.

Hold on, now... are you expecting people to RTFA? From the Politics tab?

gaspode: MarkEC: Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there.

You don't think that the people stocking the rooms might have been, you know, checking the checklist to see everything on it is in the room? It being the checklist and all?

I'm sure they were. If they noticed a bible missing, they probably placed another one from storage in the room. If a desk lamp went missing, somebody is being charged for it. Now they are taking them off the inventory sheet so they don't appear to be officially required. Nothing has really changed.

SBWorks: MarkEC: Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there. The Air Force is removing them from the checklist because they are not an Air Force requirement.

Hold on, now... are you expecting people to RTFA? From the Politics tab?

Or the main page?

/ oops...

ko_kyi: Shadowknight: In short, BRING YOUR OWN DAMN BIBLE IF YOU CARE SO FARKING MUCH. Stop looking to the rest of us to reenforce your persecution complex you Christians have had since the Romans. You're the majority now, just relax already.

atheist/agnostic/indifferent here. Why shouldn't a private business be able to offer religious books provided by a nonprofit society if they choose. Are you forced to read it? Antique morality tales like Aesop's fables wrapped in belief in an omnipotent invisible best friend.

Again, if the hotel does it, fine. Private business can do as they please. But don't get pissed if they choose not to, either.

Tatsuma: Shadowknight: I never did get why a Bible was there in the first place,

because religion is important to religious people?

But in today's age, I think most rational people have accepted that we don't have a national religion and that we've, you know, been OK with that. This still smacks of the day where if you weren't white, Christian, and a owner of a proper and dapper hat, you were improper.

Last time I stayed in a hotel. I bought and read this book.

Worth every penny.

Shadowknight: if you weren't ... owner of a proper and dapper hat, you were improper.

This hasn't changed. You need this link, STAT!

Tatsuma:
Shadowknight: I never did get why a Bible was
there in the first place,
because religion is important to religious
people?
`
Because self delusion is important to delusional people?
`
/works for me
//could use patriotism is important to patriotic people too, I guess.

Tatsuma: truthseeker2083: If it's that important, they'd have their own. If they left it at home, that's their problem.

You do realize that people who would read their Bibles while in their rooms don't bring them specifically because they know there is going to be one in their hotel rooms?

Do you think that Air Force members just travel around with lots and lots of luggage?

Considering I watched my dad pack multiple times to go TDY and overseas, I know exactly what he packed. Among his multiple bags was a Bible. He was in the Air Force, so I'm gonna say, yeah the people that read it do pack them.

BTW.... they have compact bibles they can carry even in one tiny bag. And in these modern times, that's not even needed. Most people have phones that can download the whole freaking thing. And not an extra ounce of weight goes with them.

MarkEC: Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there. The Air Force is removing them from the checklist because they are not an Air Force requirement.

Accepting all the donations without consideration is an AF policy?

Allornone: with that logic, we need to keep a copy of the Koran, the Torah, the Bhavagad Gita, Tao Te Ching, and all other major religious texts in every hotel room. I mean, what about the right of non-Christians to study their faith in a random hotel?

I'm a Satanic and I need a Bible printed backwards.

Boatmech: Tatsuma:
Shadowknight: I never did get why a Bible was
there in the first place,
because religion is important to religious
people?
`
Because self delusion is important to delusional people?
`
/works for me
//could use patriotism is important to patriotic people too, I guess.

Any human being claiming to have no delusions whatsoever is simply providing prima facie evidence that they are delusional.

truthseeker2083: Tatsuma: truthseeker2083: If it's that important, they'd have their own. If they left it at home, that's their problem.

You do realize that people who would read their Bibles while in their rooms don't bring them specifically because they know there is going to be one in their hotel rooms?

Do you think that Air Force members just travel around with lots and lots of luggage?

Considering I watched my dad pack multiple times to go TDY and overseas, I know exactly what he packed. Among his multiple bags was a Bible. He was in the Air Force, so I'm gonna say, yeah the people that read it do pack them.

BTW.... they have compact bibles they can carry even in one tiny bag. And in these modern times, that's not even needed. Most people have phones that can download the whole freaking thing. And not an extra ounce of weight goes with them.

But think of all the extra internet you'd have to carry around.

Tatsuma: The people complaining about this are such a bunch of cry babies.

Oh boo-hoo, there isn`t a Bible in a drawer, how awful!

FTFY

Shadowknight: truthseeker2083: Tatsuma: truthseeker2083: If it's that important, they'd have their own. If they left it at home, that's their problem.

You do realize that people who would read their Bibles while in their rooms don't bring them specifically because they know there is going to be one in their hotel rooms?

Do you think that Air Force members just travel around with lots and lots of luggage?

Considering I watched my dad pack multiple times to go TDY and overseas, I know exactly what he packed. Among his multiple bags was a Bible. He was in the Air Force, so I'm gonna say, yeah the people that read it do pack them.

BTW.... they have compact bibles they can carry even in one tiny bag. And in these modern times, that's not even needed. Most people have phones that can download the whole freaking thing. And not an extra ounce of weight goes with them.

But think of all the extra internet you'd have to carry around.

Well yeah, but they could do like me while I'm on the road and just bring the reference internet... it's much lighter.

A good Christian doesn't need a bible.

I sound fat: dont have a dog in this fight, but Ive never understood militant atheists.

Fine, you dont believe, but why the activism against those that do? Got nothing better to do with your free time? Do they do it just for fun?

If you resent them for being preachy, think. Why is it wrong for them to attack YOUR beliefs, buts it okay for you to go on the offensive and try to deny them theirs?

The USAF requiring bibles be, well, anywhere, is a direct violation of the Constitution of the United States of America.

Also, you're a raging farking idiot for using the term "militant atheist."

Militant Christians: Sniper shots on doctors, blown up gov't buildings.
Militant Muslims: Suicide bombers on buses, etc.

Militant Atheist: Lawsuits to remove religious bias.

Yeah, real militant. Asshole.

MarkEC: gaspode: MarkEC: Read a little deeper people. This is on-base temporary lodging. The Gideons donated bibles, and the Air Force clerks included them on the checklist for the room, that's it. There was no requirement that they be there.

You don't think that the people stocking the rooms might have been, you know, checking the checklist to see everything on it is in the room? It being the checklist and all?

I'm sure they were. If they noticed a bible missing, they probably placed another one from storage in the room. If a desk lamp went missing, somebody is being charged for it. Now they are taking them off the inventory sheet so they don't appear to be officially required. Nothing has really changed.
If someone working for the military does that as part of their job then it is not appropriate. Sorry.