bulldg4life: robsul82: We really have to acknowledge her?

She's going to be a congressperson again.

...what? Is this real life?

robsul82: ..what? Is this real life?

Sure as shiat...people are organizing to get her on the ballot here in GA

bulldg4life: robsul82: ..what? Is this real life?

Sure as shiat...people are organizing to get her on the ballot here in GA

Ye gods. That's a travesty.

By travesty, you mean awesome.

bulldg4life: By travesty, you mean awesome.

Well... yeah, in a train wreck sense. I have kind of missed her.

MBooda: Well obviously Loomis somehow re-rigged the wiring in 2009. And of course he rigged the wiring in Sun Life stadium in time for the Super Bowl.

/he kicks his dog, too

Remember to submit all allegations to the U.S. attorney.

I'm not even going to read this thread. After reading the article, I knew robsul82 would be in here ducking it out with everyone. And that's fine because the proof of the allegations isn't in yet. But, I assume that if the GM or the Saints admitted that the eavesdropping charges were true, rob would do right thing and admit it was an incredibly dishonest thing to do that stains the Saints' reputation.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is that the GM will deny the eavesdropping, the NFL will probably corroborate the allegation through other sources, but because the case was not tried to a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal trial, rob will simply maintain that it should all be ignored.

Nothing less than a confession or an ironclad videotape catching the Saints' red handed eavesdropping will ever be enough to convince rob that his Saints could EVER do anything wrong.

steamingpile: Nabb1: I think Kanye was the only idiot that thought that there was any kind of Bush conspiracy.

Really, do you not have google to type in "Katrina bush conspiracy"? 32,500,000 responses in 0.31 secs, thats more than just him.

I concede I woefully underestimated the number of idiots on the Internet.

Ken VeryBigLiar: 2wolves: Las Vegas will not be happy.

Actually think of all the people who took the Saints when they opened in the 6:1 or 8:1 range and THEN the people who will take them at even 15:1 or 20:1. If Brees goes all Col. Kurtz they'll be raking in the cash.

STOP TELLING PEOPLE MY CUNNING PLAN

/the source for this allegation?
//IT WAS ME LOOMIS IT WAS ME ALL ALONG

Nabb1: I concede I woefully underestimated the number of idiots on the Internet.

Account created: 2002-01-08 10:02:55

Seriously, where have you been for a decade?

themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm not even going to read this thread. After reading the article, I knew robsul82 would be in here ducking it out with everyone. And that's fine because the proof of the allegations isn't in yet. But, I assume that if the GM or the Saints admitted that the eavesdropping charges were true, rob would do right thing and admit it was an incredibly dishonest thing to do that stains the Saints' reputation.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is that the GM will deny the eavesdropping, the NFL will probably corroborate the allegation through other sources, but because the case was not tried to a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal trial, rob will simply maintain that it should all be ignored.

Nothing less than a confession or an ironclad videotape catching the Saints' red handed eavesdropping will ever be enough to convince rob that his Saints could EVER do anything wrong.

Vilifying someone for demanding proof on an allegation that can ruin someone's career.

Gotta love Fark.

bulldg4life: Nabb1: I concede I woefully underestimated the number of idiots on the Internet.

Account created: 2002-01-08 10:02:55

Seriously, where have you been for a decade?

There's run of the mill idiot, FARK grade idiot, and there are plenty of those, but Kanye West level idiocy should be rare.

/A decade? Jesus, what have I done with my thirties?

steamingpile: themeaningoflifeisnot: Nothing less than a confession or an ironclad videotape catching the Saints' red handed eavesdropping will ever be enough to convince rob that his Saints could EVER do anything wrong.

Bandwagon people have a hard time admitting their bandwagon is going down.

Not...really, they just jump off the bandwagon when the going gets tough.

I think we've made an important discovery here.

Do you actually know what that term means, steamingpile?

A source said Benson was so adamant to defend Loomis and his organization Monday that he instructed a team of attorneys to pursue a lawsuit against ESPN.

Uh oh. Shiat has stopped being polite and has started getting real.

robsul82: themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm not even going to read this thread. After reading the article, I knew robsul82 would be in here ducking it out with everyone. And that's fine because the proof of the allegations isn't in yet. But, I assume that if the GM or the Saints admitted that the eavesdropping charges were true, rob would do right thing and admit it was an incredibly dishonest thing to do that stains the Saints' reputation.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is that the GM will deny the eavesdropping, the NFL will probably corroborate the allegation through other sources, but because the case was not tried to a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal trial, rob will simply maintain that it should all be ignored.

Nothing less than a confession or an ironclad videotape catching the Saints' red handed eavesdropping will ever be enough to convince rob that his Saints could EVER do anything wrong.

Vilifying someone for demanding proof on an allegation that can ruin someone's career.

Gotta love Fark.

No, rob, what you do is completely different. When, with reasonable people, there is sufficient evidence to make a common sense judgment call that something did or did not happen, they're willing to make the call. You, however, refuse to ever make a negative judgment about the Saints unless every single alternative theory, no matter how far-fetched or even impossible, is conclusively disproved beyond even an unreasonable doubt.

As you may have noticed, I said I think it is entirely appropriate for you to defend the Saints until more proof of the accusation is divulged. But unlike most of the rest of us adults who regularly make judgments on the best available proof, I believe you are unwilling to exercise normal judgment even if the allegation is corroborated by reliable sources. Your burden of proof is either guilty in a criminal trial or a confession of everything by the Saints. And since you know that neither of those circumstances will ever come to pass, you're free to never acknowledge the reality that most of us see.

robsul82: A source said Benson was so adamant to defend Loomis and his organization Monday that he instructed a team of attorneys to pursue a lawsuit against ESPN.

Uh oh. Shiat has stopped being polite and has started getting real.

I just saw that. I hope they sue the hell out of ESPN.

Zulu_as_Kono: robsul82: Vilifying someone for demanding proof on an allegation that can ruin someone's career.

Saddest comment on the state of the NFL is that, this allegation NOTWITHSTANDING, there's ample evidence that Loomis is a douchebag who disobeyed an express directive from his owner and the Commissioner. Why he's still employed and/or has any future in the NFL is a mystery.

A mystery? It's because he's one of the, if not the, best GM in the league. And before you get into the "well, if I did that at my office, I'd be fired!" routine, you can be easily replaced. Before you think that's an insult, same here.

themeaningoflifeisnot: robsul82: themeaningoflifeisnot: I'm not even going to read this thread. After reading the article, I knew robsul82 would be in here ducking it out with everyone. And that's fine because the proof of the allegations isn't in yet. But, I assume that if the GM or the Saints admitted that the eavesdropping charges were true, rob would do right thing and admit it was an incredibly dishonest thing to do that stains the Saints' reputation.

Unfortunately, what will probably happen is that the GM will deny the eavesdropping, the NFL will probably corroborate the allegation through other sources, but because the case was not tried to a guilty verdict beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal trial, rob will simply maintain that it should all be ignored.

Nothing less than a confession or an ironclad videotape catching the Saints' red handed eavesdropping will ever be enough to convince rob that his Saints could EVER do anything wrong.

Vilifying someone for demanding proof on an allegation that can ruin someone's career.

Gotta love Fark.

No, rob, what you do is completely different. When, with reasonable people, there is sufficient evidence to make a common sense judgment call that something did or did not happen, they're willing to make the call. You, however, refuse to ever make a negative judgment about the Saints unless every single alternative theory, no matter how far-fetched or even impossible, is conclusively disproved beyond even an unreasonable doubt.

As you may have noticed, I said I think it is entirely appropriate for you to defend the Saints until more proof of the accusation is divulged. But unlike most of the rest of us adults who regularly make judgments on the best available proof, I believe you are unwilling to exercise normal judgment even if the allegation is corroborated by reliable sources. Your burden of proof is either guilty in a criminal trial or a confession of everything by the Saints. And since you know that neither of those circumstanc ...

Wrong. Build all the strawmen you want about what I allegedly want, I want proof that this system ever existed. Very simple. Very easy.

steamingpile: Yet if he fails to win or more shiat is brought up then Loomis is back to tracking down Michael Myers.

...so help me, I laughed.

I LAUGHED!

*shame*

Zulu_as_Kono: I guess you missed the whole "Saddest comment on the state of the NFL" part.

Did you forget to take your Focusin today?

Haha, yeah. While I'm taking that, feel free to stick one of the tissues you're currently crying into up your nose to avoid your nosebleed spilling all over your desk or whatnot. Sitting on a high horse tends to lead to that, you know.

steamingpile: Yet if he fails to win or more shiat is brought up then Loomis is back to tracking down Michael Myers.

Heh.

Dinobot: Hey rob, just curious... in the unlikely case it's actually proven, with ironclad evidence, that Loomis did eavesdrop on the coaches, will you denounce him?

Absolutely. I would hope, even among all the bullshiat, people know me for saying I'm wrong when I'm wrong. See Yankees/Red Sox 2004, well, all playoff sports threads in which my team loses, etc. If I'm wrong, I'll say so. There's no proof at the moment and I feel pretty confident that there won't be. Far be it from me to assign motives to people, but I figure this is piling on by a pissed off ex-employee. Hope the court case proves me right. That's all I can really say about that.

Nabb1: steamingpile: Yet if he fails to win or more shiat is brought up then Loomis is back to tracking down Michael Myers.

Heh.

Son of a biatch, I LAUGHED.

Out LOUD.

At something steamingpile said!

The problem, rob, is your version of "proof". I doubt you will accept anything short of you actually sitting down, trying out the eavesdropping system yourself during an NFL game, followed by a face-to-face meeting with the GM during which he confesses all of his sins to you.

Deflect all you want, but that's the impression of you that I've formed after reading so many of your defensive posts about the Saints. Maybe other people have a more favorable view of you being reasonable in exercising your judgment. But I think your whole schtick is always denying that there will ever be enough proof to make a common sense judgment. You're not waiting to make a judgment, you're avoiding it at any cost.

themeaningoflifeisnot: The problem, rob, is your version of "proof". I doubt you will accept anything short of you actually sitting down, trying out the eavesdropping system yourself during an NFL game, followed by a face-to-face meeting with the GM during which he confesses all of his sins to you.

Deflect all you want, but that's the impression of you that I've formed after reading so many of your defensive posts about the Saints. Maybe other people have a more favorable view of you being reasonable in exercising your judgment. But I think your whole schtick is always denying that there will ever be enough proof to make a common sense judgment. You're not waiting to make a judgment, you're avoiding it at any cost.

You're making wild assumptions based on nothing, both in the validity of this accusation and about me. I'll accept reasonable proof, if there's any to be found. My version of "proof?" A confession. Visual evidence that this equipment was present. This is not "unreasonable," far from it.

Dinobot: robsul82: themeaningoflifeisnot: The problem, rob, is your version of "proof". I doubt you will accept anything short of you actually sitting down, trying out the eavesdropping system yourself during an NFL game, followed by a face-to-face meeting with the GM during which he confesses all of his sins to you.

Deflect all you want, but that's the impression of you that I've formed after reading so many of your defensive posts about the Saints. Maybe other people have a more favorable view of you being reasonable in exercising your judgment. But I think your whole schtick is always denying that there will ever be enough proof to make a common sense judgment. You're not waiting to make a judgment, you're avoiding it at any cost.

You're making wild assumptions based on nothing, both in the validity of this accusation and about me. I'll accept reasonable proof, if there's any to be found. My version of "proof?" A confession. Visual evidence that this equipment was present. This is not "unreasonable," far from it.

you can convict people for murder on less evidence than that...

Thank God he's not accused of murder, although that's probably coming a couple days before our first preseason game. Show me proof this happened. Build all the nonsense strawmen you want about how I want Loomis to personally confess to me, prove this happened.

steamingpile: The sad part is he thinks hes the best GM today, without miami backing out of signing drew brees they would be a .500 team, hell he would be in the same area as the Polians who got fired once the owner realized the team was Peyton and nothing else.

If our team was actually Brees and nobody else, we might only score 2 points in a playoff game.

steamingpile: No, youre right. He falls in line with all the other bandwagoners who scream "all the teams have bounties!" When they dont and none of them had bounty systems coaches, let alone the GM knew about.....

You just stick your fingers in your ears the past few weeks?

Slow To Return: Also, whar Brandon Jacobs? Whar?? Police escorted 100mph car races somehow less newsworthy than 10 year old wiretaps?

Watch out, they're going to claim you admitted that it happened and it was okay.