I've heard the existence of the 'far right' in Europe is a myth.

Billy's joined The National Front.
He always was a little runt.
He's got his hand in the air with the other coonts.
You've got to humanize yourself...

Jean-Marie Le Pen, the aging former leader of the party (and father of Marine) looked on with pride.

Daddy has quite a storied history in French politics, having run for president five times.
Looks like he raised his daughter in his spitting bootstrappy image.

It helps that Marine hasn't managed to alienate as many voters as her father did. If she keeps a lid on the batshiat crazy stuff, she might remain a major player in French politics.

This thread is now being read in NPR correspondent Sylvia Poggioli's voice.

Cythraul: I've heard the existence of the 'far right' in Europe is a myth.

"Far Right" in Western Europe is like being a Rockefeller Republican in the US at this point.

So far as I can tell, the thing that gets Le Pen's opponents most worked up is that she doesn't like the virtually unrestricted immigration policies of the EU, which I can understand, since those immigrants are placing a fairly heavy burden on the social services of places like Britain and France.

Cagey B: I wish the far-right party in this country polled at similar levels.



The Constitution Party? Really? I don't think most would want that. Their party platform is somewhere out of Vlad the Impaler's playbook.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: "Far Right" in Western Europe is like being a Rockefeller Republican in the US at this point.

Um, I going to have to disagree with you here. There are some serious Stormfront-like parties over there in the parliamentary democracies. They don't usually get majorities, but they can be power players at times.

Somacandra: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: "Far Right" in Western Europe is like being a Rockefeller Republican in the US at this point.

Um, I going to have to disagree with you here. There are some serious Stormfront-like parties over there in the parliamentary democracies. They don't usually get majorities, but they can be power players at times.

Sure, there's always loons that can get one or two seats.

Those folks didn't get 20% of this election.

What are the positions held by Le Pen and the far right in French politics? Is it like Sarah Palin far-right, Ron Paul far-right, or 1938 Germany far-right?

SlothB77: What are the positions held by Le Pen and the far right in French politics? Is it like Sarah Palin far-right, Ron Paul far-right, or 1938 Germany far-right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Le_Pen#Ideology

She's so far right she opposes the privatization of the Post Office and tax policies that include things like::

"Marine Le Pen denounces the current corporate tax as "a crying injustice". She claims that the main groups of CAC 40 only pay 8% of corporate tax whereas the small offices/home offices, the small and medium entreprises, the craftsmen and the shopkeepers fully pay 33.33%. She advocates to implement a flexible corporate tax according to the use of profits: heavier when the profits benefit the shareholders and lighter when the profits turn towards profit sharing, salaries, employment and productive investment, enabling a relocation of activities"

Somacandra: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: "Far Right" in Western Europe is like being a Rockefeller Republican in the US at this point.

Um, I going to have to disagree with you here. There are some serious Stormfront-like parties over there in the parliamentary democracies. They don't usually get majorities, but they can be power players at times.

Yeah people tend to forget that not everyone in France was part of "the resistance" during WWII. There were plenty of folks more than happy to go along and be a part of the Vichy puppet government and it's policies.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She's so far right she opposes the privatization of the Post Office and tax policies that include things like:: brown people.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She's so far right she opposes the privatization of the Post Office and tax policies that include things like:: brown people.

To be fair, most of France that aren't Algerian descendants or the like aren't too fond of folks who don't want to integrate into French society, either.

People forget that the rest of the world isn't like the US's "culture development via absorption" society.

Cythraul: I've heard the existence of the 'far right' in Europe is a myth.

Let's put it this way - Marine Le Pen's father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, was the previous standard bearer of the party. That same father once said that the Nazi Occupation of France was "not inhumane" and that the Holocaust was only a minor part of WWII which should only be a footnote. He is anti-immigration and has been convicted several times of xenophobic statements, anti-Semetic statements, and inciting racial hatred. He's very popular among European neo-Nazi groups and white nationalists. It was also alleged that Jean-Marie Le Pen committed acts of torture during his time in the Algerian war.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SlothB77: What are the positions held by Le Pen and the far right in French politics? Is it like Sarah Palin far-right, Ron Paul far-right, or 1938 Germany far-right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Le_Pen#Ideology

She's so far right she opposes the privatization of the Post Office and tax policies that include things like::

"Marine Le Pen denounces the current corporate tax as "a crying injustice". She claims that the main groups of CAC 40 only pay 8% of corporate tax whereas the small offices/home offices, the small and medium entreprises, the craftsmen and the shopkeepers fully pay 33.33%. She advocates to implement a flexible corporate tax according to the use of profits: heavier when the profits benefit the shareholders and lighter when the profits turn towards profit sharing, salaries, employment and productive investment, enabling a relocation of activities"

These economic positions would be considered liberal in US. Higher taxes and profit-sharing?

I get it now. They are racists and xenophobes on social issues and communists on economic issues. As for defense, well, they are French.

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: "Marine Le Pen denounces the current corporate tax as "a crying injustice". She claims that the main groups of CAC 40 only pay 8% of corporate tax whereas the small offices/home offices, the small and medium entreprises, the craftsmen and the shopkeepers fully pay 33.33%. She advocates to implement a flexible corporate tax according to the use of profits: heavier when the profits benefit the shareholders and lighter when the profits turn towards profit sharing, salaries, employment and productive investment, enabling a relocation of activities"

Truly a policy directed towards the French Joe Sixpack, or "Jacques Bordeauxbottle"

SlothB77: These economic positions would be considered liberal in US. Higher taxes and profit-sharing?

Yes.

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: French Joe Sixpack, or "Jacques Bordeauxbottle"

OK this is p good right here

♫ Jean-Claude's joined the National Front
He always was a little runt
He's got his hands in the air with the other coonts
You must vote for Marine LePen

Dehumanize muslims
Vote for Marine LePen
Dehumanize muslims
Vote for Marine LePen...♪

dumbobruni: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: She's so far right she opposes the privatization of the Post Office and tax policies that include things like:: brown people.

To be fair, most of France that aren't Algerian descendants or the like aren't too fond of folks who don't want to integrate into French society, either.


thanks to insane levels discrimination against Muslims in France, integration is nigh on impossible.

/its illegal for Muslims to pray in public, but for everyone else its ok
//yes, really

Integration doesn't mean "I get to do what I like and call myself 'French' (or whatever)".

Integration means "I agree to follow the rules of the society I have moved to, regardless of what my personal beliefs are."

Religious people seem to have the hardest time of all folks with this concept.

Marine Le Pen, sounds like a transvestite stripper's name.

/Sea the Pen
//see the pen?

Smelly McUgly: Every slimy southern white dude politician ever, is that you?

Yeah it's totally the same, since France has a long modern history of a slavery and the ensuing social legacy just like the US.

/we can talk about colonialism
//but most of the folks who are the burden on the UK and French social services are recent immigrants
///as in over the last decade or so