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(ABC)   Win/Win: Businesses that publish police mug shots are proliferating online, shaming those with DUI charges or other arrests into spend hundreds of dollars to have their information removed from the sites   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 81
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2012-04-23 12:22:23 PM
Having avoiding it myself in my more stupid days, I know a few people who can't get jobs because of their DUI. I don't know anyone with a last name "Bush".
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-23 12:45:05 PM
In some states the crime of extortion includes threats to accuse somebody of a crime in order to obtain money. Truth is not a defense to extortion.
 
2012-04-23 12:50:34 PM
um speaking as a 2 time DUI offender, you don't need your mugshot on a website to be shamed... try riding a bike to work in the rain. Or the thrill you get when you tell the girl you just met that you don't drive. yeah, you can have my mugshot.

/don't drink and drive people! EVER!
 
2012-04-23 01:03:15 PM
So it's a good thing that someone can essentially blackmail anyone who's been merely arrested and not necessarily convicted of a crime?
 
2012-04-23 02:02:06 PM
Yes. Just an arrest will show up. No conviction necessary.
Do we really need or want this sort of thing as a society?
 
2012-04-23 02:02:45 PM
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?

ls1tech.com
 
2012-04-23 02:03:01 PM
I farking love these websites. Searching for old classmates and co-workers... Good times.
 
2012-04-23 02:03:02 PM
If only there was some website where every Friday we could point and laugh at the funny looking people who had mugshots taken during the week.
 
2012-04-23 02:03:12 PM
I had a young neighbor who had that happen to him just a couple months ago, he was caught with a small amount of weed when he was skateboarding, which in NY is just a ticket but it is still considered a misdemeanor. So now if you Google his name his weed charge comes.
 
2012-04-23 02:04:08 PM
Don't you have copyright on your own likeness?
 
2012-04-23 02:05:01 PM

moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?

[ls1tech.com image 433x348]


You do realize that arrest != conviction?
 
2012-04-23 02:05:25 PM

moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?


Yeah, if the police arrest you you've broken the law for sure, amirite?

lucky for us the police are infallible and we don't have daily fark threads about police misconduct.
 
2012-04-23 02:05:37 PM
How is this not blackmail or extortion...?
 
2012-04-23 02:06:20 PM

CthulhuCalling: You do realize that arrest != conviction?


Arresting booking information is a public document. Public domain. There's nothing you can do about it.
 
2012-04-23 02:07:54 PM

qorkfiend: How is this not blackmail or extortion...?


Because it is PROFIT.
What are you a socialist?

/just yer free market at work
 
2012-04-23 02:07:57 PM
I have no problem with this. Ive no love for a drunk driver. none. shame them until they cant be shamed any longer
 
2012-04-23 02:08:42 PM

moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?



How cute...

Too bad for your theory that an arrest doesn't mean that you have ACTUALLY broken the law. People get wrongly arrested all of the time, but these pictures get published before a conviction or any kind of resolution.
 
2012-04-23 02:09:23 PM

EatTheWorld: um speaking as a 2 time DUI offender, you don't need your mugshot on a website to be shamed... try riding a bike to work in the rain. Or the thrill you get when you tell the girl you just met that you don't drive. yeah, you can have my mugshot.

/don't drink and drive people! EVER!


so ashamed you did it again, huh?
 
2012-04-23 02:09:53 PM
I've never been arrested before, but I think this is pretty sleazy. You shouldn't have to pay to have your photo and information removed.
 
2012-04-23 02:10:11 PM

Cagey B: So it's a good thing that someone can essentially blackmail anyone who's been merely arrested and not necessarily convicted of a crime?


It's for the children. And to stop terrorists
 
2012-04-23 02:11:05 PM

moops: CthulhuCalling: You do realize that arrest != conviction?

Arresting booking information is a public document. Public domain. There's nothing you can do about it.


That wasn't your argument. You (or Mr. Jenny McCarthy) said "Stop breaking the law, asshole", implying that you believe that people who are arrested are already guilty without, you know... having gone through a trail to determine their guilt or innocence. It's a common problem with the public today. "If the cops arrested them, they must be guilty". Personally, I blame the schools. And possibly vaccines, since they cause Skinnyheadism.

/the more you know
 
2012-04-23 02:11:20 PM
Thank god everything I did was before my local paper was on the internet
 
2012-04-23 02:11:40 PM

snocone: qorkfiend: How is this not blackmail or extortion...?

Because it is PROFIT.
What are you a socialist?

/just yer free market at work


The free market response would be to sue.
 
2012-04-23 02:14:03 PM

EatTheWorld: um speaking as a 2 time DUI offender, you don't need your mugshot on a website to be shamed... try riding a bike to work in the rain. Or the thrill you get when you tell the girl you just met that you don't drive. yeah, you can have my mugshot.

/don't drink and drive people! EVER!


Is this it?

i478.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-23 02:15:09 PM
people treating other people terribly is as American as apple pie. we must be the most counter-productive country in the world. people die trying to get here, soldiers die thinking they are fighting for our freedoms. and this is the shiat we do.
 
2012-04-23 02:19:29 PM

qorkfiend: How is this not blackmail or extortion...?


Extortion is unlawfully obtaining money, property or services by threatening harm to someone's body, property or reputation. The damaging information is already available so technically your reputation was damaged before they did anything. Basically you might have a civil claim for False Light if you are not convicted, but even then you were arrested and arrest records are public documents so you probably wouldn't win.
 
2012-04-23 02:22:22 PM

GoodOmens: snocone: qorkfiend: How is this not blackmail or extortion...?

Because it is PROFIT.
What are you a socialist?

/just yer free market at work

The free market response would be to sue.


The free market is not duplex.
That would violate the sanctity of the license to steal card.
 
2012-04-23 02:22:53 PM

CthulhuCalling: moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?

[ls1tech.com image 433x348]

You do realize that arrest != conviction?


No one cares.
 
2012-04-23 02:23:31 PM

Headso: moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?

Yeah, if the police arrest you you've broken the law for sure, amirite?

lucky for us the police are infallible and we don't have daily fark threads about police misconduct.


No one cares.
 
2012-04-23 02:23:38 PM

ialdabaoth: CthulhuCalling: moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?

[ls1tech.com image 433x348]

You do realize that arrest != conviction?

No one cares.


... until they're wrongly arrested and their mugshots are posted all over the internet.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:00 PM

scandalrag: arrest records are public documents


Yeah this would have to change and in the age of the internet is what is a problem IMO. There are also calls to change the public-ness of divorce records and some places have them so they are not electronically available. I think that would basically fix the problem here, only if you are convicted should they be allowed online.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:06 PM

Mikey1969: moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?


How cute...

Too bad for your theory that an arrest doesn't mean that you have ACTUALLY broken the law. People get wrongly arrested all of the time, but these pictures get published before a conviction or any kind of resolution.


No one cares.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:33 PM
But, but, but! How can driving drunk be a crime?! NO BODY GOT HURT WHARGARBL 4TH AMENDMENT VIOLATION DERP.

Influx of quasi-intellectual posters informing us how Phillip K. Dick was talking about DUI when he wrote minority report in 3....2.....1
 
2012-04-23 02:24:46 PM

Cagey B: So it's a good thing that someone can essentially blackmail anyone who's been merely arrested and not necessarily convicted of a crime?


arrest records are public information
 
2012-04-23 02:25:09 PM

BurnShrike: ialdabaoth: CthulhuCalling: moops: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Don't want your mugshot published online?

[ls1tech.com image 433x348]

You do realize that arrest != conviction?

No one cares.

... until they're wrongly arrested and their mugshots are posted all over the internet.


Anyone who cares is a nobody. Therefore, no one cares. QED.
 
2012-04-23 02:25:33 PM

ialdabaoth: No one cares.


ialdabaoth: No one cares.


ialdabaoth: No one cares.


Woah there big fella. Why do you think your opinion is so important?

No one cares.
 
2012-04-23 02:26:07 PM

KrispyKritter: people treating other people terribly is as American as apple pie. we must be the most counter-productive country in the world. people die trying to get here, soldiers die thinking they are fighting for our freedoms. and this is the shiat we do.


No. One. Cares.
 
2012-04-23 02:26:49 PM

BurnShrike: ialdabaoth: No one cares.

ialdabaoth: No one cares.

ialdabaoth: No one cares.

Woah there big fella. Why do you think your opinion is so important?

No one cares.


Exactly.
 
2012-04-23 02:28:11 PM
Dumb betch saying her mugshot shouldnt be out. Last i checked Florida is in America, and in America the citizens are entitled to public records. Plus if it's your 1st u can find an attorney that can get it made into a reckless op quite easily, everyone i know that has gotten a DUI got it reduced first time
 
2012-04-23 02:28:59 PM

KrispyKritter: people treating other people terribly is as American as apple pie. we must be the most counter-productive country in the world. people die trying to get here, soldiers die thinking they are fighting for our freedoms. and this is the shiat we do.


you hit the nail on the head. The reason our countryman will never be as happy as he in Norway is simple. We here in America hate eachother.
 
2012-04-23 02:30:52 PM
Several questions about this issue:

How is it that these companies don't violate:
1) excessive fines/punishment
2) cruel or unusual punishment
3) presumption of guilt before innocence
4) extortion

Would a court ordered expungement of records also apply to public domain records - does it also apply to non-goverment organizations?
 
2012-04-23 02:33:47 PM

ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: Plus if it's your 1st u can find an attorney that can get it made into a reckless op quite easily, everyone i know that has gotten a DUI got it reduced first time


Everyone that you know that has a DUI arrest has their mugshot online regardless of if they took a plea or not or were even found innocent.
 
2012-04-23 02:33:47 PM

EatTheWorld: um speaking as a 2 time DUI offender, you don't need your mugshot on a website to be shamed... try riding a bike to work in the rain. Or the thrill you get when you tell the girl you just met that you don't drive. yeah, you can have my mugshot.

/don't drink and drive people! EVER!


WTF?

Just get some spandex and tell people that you are a "cyclist."

Car? No way! I'm saving the Earth!
 
2012-04-23 02:37:19 PM
CrispFlows: How is it that these companies don't violate:
1) excessive fines/punishment
2) cruel or unusual punishment
3) presumption of guilt before innocence
4) extortion

Would a court ordered expungement of records also apply to public domain records - does it also apply to non-goverment organizations?


Because these refer to the Government, or private companies performing Government work - like private prisons.

I believe the system of Government you're looking for is totalitarianistic fascism.

/you have no 1st amendment in the workplace.
 
2012-04-23 02:38:15 PM

ialdabaoth: BurnShrike: ialdabaoth: No one cares.

ialdabaoth: No one cares.

ialdabaoth: No one cares.

Woah there big fella. Why do you think your opinion is so important?

No one cares.

Exactly.


Whoa now, did mom not deliver your Hot Pockets to the basement this morning?
 
2012-04-23 02:40:34 PM

Headso: ROBOTwHUM4NHAIR: Plus if it's your 1st u can find an attorney that can get it made into a reckless op quite easily, everyone i know that has gotten a DUI got it reduced first time

Everyone that you know that has a DUI arrest has their mugshot online regardless of if they took a plea or not or were even found innocent.


what state do you live in? The days of the old huck a buck 1st time is free for dui ended long ago here in Pa
 
2012-04-23 02:42:33 PM

CthulhuCalling: Don't you have copyright on your own likeness?


No.
 
2012-04-23 02:43:27 PM

CrispFlows: Several questions about this issue:

How is it that these companies don't violate:
1) excessive fines/punishment
2) cruel or unusual punishment
3) presumption of guilt before innocence
4) extortion

Would a court ordered expungement of records also apply to public domain records - does it also apply to non-goverment organizations?


1-3) They aren't the government.
4) Public record
 
2012-04-23 02:44:40 PM
Arrest records are public documents. This is not a bad thing because whenever the police arrest someone without a warrant, they must file a sworn statement (under penalty of perjury) that explains their probable cause for arrest. The sworn statement is reviewed by a judge and the person is released if the judge does not agree. Now in reality the officer will probably have a chance to, ahem, "update" a flawed document and the judge is really a "magisgtrate" but still.... the process does protect the rights of the accused better when the decisions of both the police and judge are available for public scrutiny.

The real shame is that even if the charges are dismissed, the record of the arrest will remain in the database of the state police. The state police sell these records to information brokers like Choice Point and others that provide background check servies. The state police also report the arrests to the FBI. In many states you can file an "expunction" lawsuit to have the arrest records destroyed. Basically you sue the state police and ask a judge to order them to destroy the records. In some states an expunction also applies to the information brokers but only if they are listed in the expunction suit. Of course you don't know who has your records so you have to serve notice to all the big ones which will cost you another several hundred dollars on top of the cost of filing the expunction suit and paying the lawyer to do it.

All told, removing the records of a mistaken identity arrest could cost your $1500 before you even get to paying off these "Busted" websites.
 
2012-04-23 02:48:29 PM

CrispFlows: [...] Would a court ordered expungement of records also apply to public domain records - does it also apply to non-goverment organizations?


Yes but only if they are named and "noticed" in the original expunction document. The one entity that always complies with an expunction order is the clerk of the court that ordered it. You can't go back and add other organizations to the group ordered to remove the records because the court will be all like "expunction? what do you want to expunge? we don't have any record of that so you have no standing. kthx bye."
 
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