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2012-04-23 05:38:54 PM

Carth: What other tablet competes with the ipad for $499? The Iphone 4S is 10 months old and still selling great at $199 which seems to be the default smartphone price. I haven't been in the dedicated mp3 player market in 5 years but the ipod touch and nano seem competitive with what amazon is pulling up.


Except Apple products leave out key functionality that you end up paying extra for. Sure, $200 is a standard price for most smartphones. However, the iPhone leaves out an SD card slot, you end up paying an extra $100 for the additional memory.
Sure the iPad is a great tablet, but there's no fully functional usb/mini-usb port. Want to stream HD? Carry around an extra part and pay an extra $50 for a port that's standard on Acer, Asus, Toshiba, and some Samsung tablets. iProducts suck.
 
2012-04-23 05:43:25 PM
I'll never understand why more people don't go for projectors, I have a 96" screen and I paid $1500 for it.
 
2012-04-23 05:55:27 PM

wholedamnshow: Carth: What other tablet competes with the ipad for $499? The Iphone 4S is 10 months old and still selling great at $199 which seems to be the default smartphone price. I haven't been in the dedicated mp3 player market in 5 years but the ipod touch and nano seem competitive with what amazon is pulling up.

Except Apple products leave out key functionality that you end up paying extra for. Sure, $200 is a standard price for most smartphones. However, the iPhone leaves out an SD card slot, you end up paying an extra $100 for the additional memory.
Sure the iPad is a great tablet, but there's no fully functional usb/mini-usb port. Want to stream HD? Carry around an extra part and pay an extra $50 for a port that's standard on Acer, Asus, Toshiba, and some Samsung tablets. iProducts suck.


Ah fark it, time to go home. JFC, but some people keep dragging up stupid shiat. OMFG the AppleTV doesn't have a parallel port! Wah! And it can't play VHS.
 
2012-04-23 05:56:24 PM

dready zim: Why not just have a cheap media box with HDMI output, huge hard drive, bittorrent and an ethernet connection?

cheap PC, about £300, TV about £600, year of internet about £120.

Why bother with anything else? You could make it a hackintosh if you really love that sort of thing. Hell make it W8, Linux and OSX if you want...


Grandma wants a device she can unbox and call son in-law over to plug one cable in and be done. Also hipsters are too stupid to make all that other crap work.

/trollin!
 
2012-04-23 06:01:39 PM
You're still watching crap no matter which TV it's seen on.
 
2012-04-23 06:01:58 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The networks aren't doing anyone any favors with the bundling. It's all contrived so that the sales are higher for the content provider at the expense of the consumer.

An $18 channel that you only watch a couple times a week is a decision that a consumer will look at and go "ehh, i'll just go down to the bar." Rolling it into a package with 80 other channels that they also don't watch? Achievement unlocked: Cost successfully hidden.


I agree and most shows you can watch for free later anyway, hell netflix streaming is cheap too.

change1211: I'll never understand why more people don't go for projectors, I have a 96" screen and I paid $1500 for it.


Because a projector at that price has a shiatty resolution, most projectors suck for viewing movies.
 
2012-04-23 06:16:02 PM

steamingpile: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: The networks aren't doing anyone any favors with the bundling. It's all contrived so that the sales are higher for the content provider at the expense of the consumer.

An $18 channel that you only watch a couple times a week is a decision that a consumer will look at and go "ehh, i'll just go down to the bar." Rolling it into a package with 80 other channels that they also don't watch? Achievement unlocked: Cost successfully hidden.

I agree and most shows you can watch for free later anyway, hell netflix streaming is cheap too.

change1211: I'll never understand why more people don't go for projectors, I have a 96" screen and I paid $1500 for it.

Because a projector at that price has a shiatty resolution, most projectors suck for viewing movies.


1080p and better quality than my 46" LCD TV.
 
2012-04-23 06:46:20 PM
An integrated TV set makes no sense at all. This isn't like a laptop or a phone where having it all in one box aids portability. You set up your TV, plug all the stuff in and go. You actually want stuff disconnected so you can put extra stuff on.

If Apple released a TV, I'm sure there would be takers. Some douchebags will buy anything with an Apple logo on. But I don't see it being a hit product.
 
2012-04-23 07:55:48 PM

change1211: I'll never understand why more people don't go for projectors, I have a 96" screen and I paid $1500 for it.


projectors definitely intrigue me. However my understanding of issues with projectors:

-you need a total batcave to have it look full quality
-lamps burning out
-not as deep color as flat panel TV's
 
2012-04-23 08:03:54 PM

farkeruk: An integrated TV set makes no sense at all. This isn't like a laptop or a phone where having it all in one box aids portability. You set up your TV, plug all the stuff in and go. You actually want stuff disconnected so you can put extra stuff on.

If Apple released a TV, I'm sure there would be takers. Some douchebags will buy anything with an Apple logo on. But I don't see it being a hit product.


Anybody remember when Dell tried this in like 1997? Farking flop.

Apple won't do it, unless they can bundle or get subsidized through some service provider like Verizon's FIOS. If Verizon subsidizes the iTV and bundles it with some uber-service exclusive to that TV that also streams automatically to your iEverything, then maybe they'll sell a bunch at Christmas.

But let's not forget...Apple makes their money by making the drooling zombie fanbois buy a new iPhone and iPad every two years or so, and TVs do not fit that model. You buy one, keep it for five to ten years until the "movers break it" or it breaks on its own, and you go out and buy a new one. So, Apple is going to have to come up with one hell of a support plan for that kind of market, and charge for it, in order to make the kind of money per unit that they are accustomed to making.

So...I think this whole iTV thing is just ill-informed fanboi daydreaming at worst, or maybe some clever Apple-engineered "leak" to assess buzz to estimate demand at best.

My bet: ain't gonna happen.
 
2012-04-23 08:04:28 PM

farkeruk: An integrated TV set makes no sense at all. This isn't like a laptop or a phone where having it all in one box aids portability. You set up your TV, plug all the stuff in and go. You actually want stuff disconnected so you can put extra stuff on.

If Apple released a TV, I'm sure there would be takers. Some douchebags will buy anything with an Apple logo on. But I don't see it being a hit product.


see, what you're doing is using the logic part of your brain.
What people will do is buy it, and then rationalize how its better with no HDMI inputs or a remote control ("siri does it ALL!").
 
2012-04-23 08:33:02 PM

Kar98: wholedamnshow: Carth: What other tablet competes with the ipad for $499? The Iphone 4S is 10 months old and still selling great at $199 which seems to be the default smartphone price. I haven't been in the dedicated mp3 player market in 5 years but the ipod touch and nano seem competitive with what amazon is pulling up.

Except Apple products leave out key functionality that you end up paying extra for. Sure, $200 is a standard price for most smartphones. However, the iPhone leaves out an SD card slot, you end up paying an extra $100 for the additional memory.
Sure the iPad is a great tablet, but there's no fully functional usb/mini-usb port. Want to stream HD? Carry around an extra part and pay an extra $50 for a port that's standard on Acer, Asus, Toshiba, and some Samsung tablets. iProducts suck.

Ah fark it, time to go home. JFC, but some people keep dragging up stupid shiat. OMFG the AppleTV doesn't have a parallel port! Wah! And it can't play VHS.


Yes, that is what Apple does. That is why they are a shiat company, and that is why anyone with a functional brain looks at Apple devotees like they have something wrong in their head. Yeah, they'll competitively price whatever igadget they want you to buy, but then they'll charge you another $200 for all the peripherals to bring it up to equal functionality with its competitors. But you buy it, because is so hip and cool and they would never intentionally do anything so underhanded. It's amazing, really.
 
2012-04-23 09:02:39 PM
Right, because a card slot adds so much functionality to a tablet.
 
2012-04-23 09:09:13 PM

StrangeQ: Kar98: wholedamnshow: Carth: What other tablet competes with the ipad for $499? The Iphone 4S is 10 months old and still selling great at $199 which seems to be the default smartphone price. I haven't been in the dedicated mp3 player market in 5 years but the ipod touch and nano seem competitive with what amazon is pulling up.

Except Apple products leave out key functionality that you end up paying extra for. Sure, $200 is a standard price for most smartphones. However, the iPhone leaves out an SD card slot, you end up paying an extra $100 for the additional memory.
Sure the iPad is a great tablet, but there's no fully functional usb/mini-usb port. Want to stream HD? Carry around an extra part and pay an extra $50 for a port that's standard on Acer, Asus, Toshiba, and some Samsung tablets. iProducts suck.

Ah fark it, time to go home. JFC, but some people keep dragging up stupid shiat. OMFG the AppleTV doesn't have a parallel port! Wah! And it can't play VHS.

Yes, that is what Apple does. That is why they are a shiat company, and that is why anyone with a functional brain looks at Apple devotees like they have something wrong in their head. Yeah, they'll competitively price whatever igadget they want you to buy, but then they'll charge you another $200 for all the peripherals to bring it up to equal functionality with its competitors. But you buy it, because is so hip and cool and they would never intentionally do anything so underhanded. It's amazing, really.


Or because you don't need the extra functions. I can't imagine a situation where I randomly need to use my tablet to out put HD video to a tv. I'm sure some people do and its great there are products for them but I can't believe they are a majority.
 
2012-04-23 09:20:26 PM

Carth: StrangeQ: Kar98: wholedamnshow: Carth: What other tablet competes with the ipad for $499? The Iphone 4S is 10 months old and still selling great at $199 which seems to be the default smartphone price. I haven't been in the dedicated mp3 player market in 5 years but the ipod touch and nano seem competitive with what amazon is pulling up.

Except Apple products leave out key functionality that you end up paying extra for. Sure, $200 is a standard price for most smartphones. However, the iPhone leaves out an SD card slot, you end up paying an extra $100 for the additional memory.
Sure the iPad is a great tablet, but there's no fully functional usb/mini-usb port. Want to stream HD? Carry around an extra part and pay an extra $50 for a port that's standard on Acer, Asus, Toshiba, and some Samsung tablets. iProducts suck.

Ah fark it, time to go home. JFC, but some people keep dragging up stupid shiat. OMFG the AppleTV doesn't have a parallel port! Wah! And it can't play VHS.

Yes, that is what Apple does. That is why they are a shiat company, and that is why anyone with a functional brain looks at Apple devotees like they have something wrong in their head. Yeah, they'll competitively price whatever igadget they want you to buy, but then they'll charge you another $200 for all the peripherals to bring it up to equal functionality with its competitors. But you buy it, because is so hip and cool and they would never intentionally do anything so underhanded. It's amazing, really.

Or because you don't need the extra functions. I can't imagine a situation where I randomly need to use my tablet to out put HD video to a tv. I'm sure some people do and its great there are products for them but I can't believe they are a majority.



lol
 
2012-04-23 09:41:41 PM

Kar98: Right, because a card slot adds so much functionality to a tablet.


Umm.. Yes, it does.

For example, if I have 16GB of storage space on my tablet, and start running out, I can just go pick up a 32GB card for $25 and keep going.

With the Apple device, if I have 16GB of storage space and run out, I have to delete stuff or go buy a WHOLE NEW IPAD THAT COSTS $100 MORE THAN THE ONE I HAVE to get the extra storage space.

"Go buy the more expensive model in our lineup" is not a decent or reasonable point of view on upgrading your device.
 
2012-04-23 10:04:55 PM
I've got 25 GB free SkyDrive storage. And yeah, why keep ALL THE THINGS on your tablet? What benefit would I gain from carrying a ziploc baggie full of SD cards with all my movies, for instance?
 
2012-04-23 10:37:46 PM

wholedamnshow: iProducts suck.


62 million iPads vs 11 million Android powered units would strongly suggest you are very much incorrect in your assumption.

And that's 11 million including everything from the £99 crap ones through to the ones of equal price to the iPad.
 
2012-04-23 10:41:19 PM

Mr.Tangent:

Grandma wants a device she can unbox and call son in-law over to plug one cable in and be done. Also hipsters are too stupid to make all that other crap work.

/trollin!


*rant* I just spent three farking days making MythTV work worth a damn, you bet your ass I want the front ends to "just farking work".

At least that seems to be the usual attitude of Myth veterans. Seriously, it's a complete bastard and the 'native' frontend is a dog.
 
2012-04-23 10:47:36 PM

Kar98: I've got 25 GB free SkyDrive storage. And yeah, why keep ALL THE THINGS on your tablet? What benefit would I gain from carrying a ziploc baggie full of SD cards with all my movies, for instance?


Perhaps neither of us are hip and happening enough to see the attraction of faffing with microSD cards to find the one with movies on it. That and I've seen a spanky new 16GB card fail after three months of being in a phone. Phut, all gone. Couldn't get anything out of it no matter the OS and readers I tried.

I'll take the reliability of the internal flash storage over a microSD any day tyvm.
 
2012-04-24 12:29:40 AM

Vaneshi: wholedamnshow: iProducts suck.

62 million iPads vs 11 million Android powered units would strongly suggest you are very much incorrect in your assumption.

And that's 11 million including everything from the £99 crap ones through to the ones of equal price to the iPad.


Really? You're going to argue sales as to why something is a better product? Do you have any idea how naive and/or consumers are? They buy whatever they are told to buy. The entire music industry can back that claim.
 
2012-04-24 12:39:15 AM

wholedamnshow: .

Really? You're going to argue sales as to why something is a better product? Do you have any idea how naive and/or consumers are? They buy whatever they are told to buy. The entire music industry can back that claim.


No actually it can't. Year on year decreases in sales would suggest that people aren't simply buying what they are told to like, insofar as the music industry is concerned.

So now that your pissant little excuse is removed 62 million vs 11 million. No, people don't give a shiat about USB ports and and sd card slots. If you do, you are the minority not the majority.
 
2012-04-24 12:50:34 AM

Kar98: I've got 25 GB free SkyDrive storage. And yeah, why keep ALL THE THINGS on your tablet? What benefit would I gain from carrying a ziploc baggie full of SD cards with all my movies, for instance?


I'm sorry you're missing the part of your brain that can't see the advantage of having an SD card. Just because II enjoy having an SD card on my tablet doesn't mean that I am somehow against cloud drives. I think clouds are great. However, they should complement physical storage, not replace it. And saying you have to have a ziploc bag full of them is just ridiculous. 32gb cards are $20 bucks

Instances when having an SD card slot on my tablet is awesome:
-On a vacation recently, Mrs WDS hadn't cleared her memory card. We popped it in my tablet, downloaded the pics, and cleared the card.
-Any time you are in a lousy service or no service area. Clouds are totally dependent on your internet connection. This generally doesn't happen to me often in Mass or CT, but I'm in New Hampshire and Vermont pretty regularly and 3g and 4g networks seems a bit more scarce up there. However, I still have access to all my files though, because I have two 32gb SD cards with me(one in the tablet and one in the leather case it carries in. Not a ziploc bag full.
-Storing my music on an SD card doesn't increase my data usage. Clouds do. If I listened to music off the cloud the same amount that I listen to it off my SD card, I'd be at the data cap before 30 days every month easily.

I'm sorry you're too much of a fanboy to see the simple advantages of an SD card. It's pretty basic functionality, and there's no tradeoff for it whatsoever.
 
2012-04-24 12:59:10 AM

ZeroCorpse: Kar98: Right, because a card slot adds so much functionality to a tablet.

Umm.. Yes, it does.

For example, if I have 16GB of storage space on my tablet, and start running out, I can just go pick up a 32GB card for $25 and keep going.

With the Apple device, if I have 16GB of storage space and run out, I have to delete stuff or go buy a WHOLE NEW IPAD THAT COSTS $100 MORE THAN THE ONE I HAVE to get the extra storage space.

"Go buy the more expensive model in our lineup" is not a decent or reasonable point of view on upgrading your device.


All apple products are obsolete as soon as the first one rolls out of the factory. Apple itself is already planning to sell you a better model.

I own exactly zero apple products personally. Even if I had a couple there is one apple product I have no interest at all in owning : a $3000 television.

Knowing apple I would get it installed at home and within a month the iTV 2 would be announced and I would feel like a sucker.

If I watched enough TV to matter I would rather have a large computer monitor than a smart tv anyway. Then I could just upgrade the input device instead of throwing away a TV every-time apple decides to make a new one.

I mean seriously there isnt a TV in my house that is newer than 5 years old. Thats ancient in computing time.
 
2012-04-24 01:07:44 AM

wholedamnshow: Kar98: I've got 25 GB free SkyDrive storage. And yeah, why keep ALL THE THINGS on your tablet? What benefit would I gain from carrying a ziploc baggie full of SD cards with all my movies, for instance?

I'm sorry you're missing the part of your brain that can't see the advantage of having an SD card. Just because II enjoy having an SD card on my tablet doesn't mean that I am somehow against cloud drives. I think clouds are great. However, they should complement physical storage, not replace it. And saying you have to have a ziploc bag full of them is just ridiculous. 32gb cards are $20 bucks

Instances when having an SD card slot on my tablet is awesome:
-On a vacation recently, Mrs WDS hadn't cleared her memory card. We popped it in my tablet, downloaded the pics, and cleared the card.
-Any time you are in a lousy service or no service area. Clouds are totally dependent on your internet connection. This generally doesn't happen to me often in Mass or CT, but I'm in New Hampshire and Vermont pretty regularly and 3g and 4g networks seems a bit more scarce up there. However, I still have access to all my files though, because I have two 32gb SD cards with me(one in the tablet and one in the leather case it carries in. Not a ziploc bag full.
-Storing my music on an SD card doesn't increase my data usage. Clouds do. If I listened to music off the cloud the same amount that I listen to it off my SD card, I'd be at the data cap before 30 days every month easily.

I'm sorry you're too much of a fanboy to see the simple advantages of an SD card. It's pretty basic functionality, and there's no tradeoff for it whatsoever.


Imma patent a wifi flash memory hub. Stick five or six SD cards into it, flip on the power, stick it in your pocket and then your gay pad can have all the storage you want wirelessly without waiting on the 'cloud'
 
2012-04-24 01:12:21 AM

Crusader: FTFA:"recurring rumors point to an a la carte subscription model that positions channels like apps in the App Store."

If Apple can pull off this coup, I will support their service. I've been waiting for a large provider to go this route for years. Cable companies bundling all of the channels you want is an oudated model. If I could only pay for the channels I want, that would be a huge improvement over the existing business model.


Dood, come back to reality, you watch way too much TV. If my family had that option we would have two channels, 'animal planet' and 'the food network' They would have to charge us fifty bucks for each of them to keep from going broke.

Or if you think they will stream content through your cable companies broadband you can look forward to the cost of broadband doubling or tripling.

The reason they bundle all that crap is because they need people to pay for the additional content or the whole business model collapses. Those wires on the poles are really damn expensive to operate, and they cant do it if you only want the spice channel and nikelodeon.....
 
2012-04-24 01:21:41 AM

Vaneshi: wholedamnshow: .

Really? You're going to argue sales as to why something is a better product? Do you have any idea how naive and/or consumers are? They buy whatever they are told to buy. The entire music industry can back that claim.

No actually it can't. Year on year decreases in sales would suggest that people aren't simply buying what they are told to like, insofar as the music industry is concerned.

So now that your pissant little excuse is removed 62 million vs 11 million. No, people don't give a shiat about USB ports and and sd card slots. If you do, you are the minority not the majority.


How the hell does a decrease in sales somehow relate to people's taste in music getting better, especially in a still relatively down economy? And even still, people are buying crap.

Top 10 downloaded songs off of iTunes in 2011:
10: Nicki Minaj, "Super Bass"
9: Foster the People, "Pumped Up Kicks"
8: Maroon 5, "Moves Like Jagger"
7: Katy Perry, "E.T."
6: Pitbull, "Give Me Everything"
5: Cee Lo, "fark/Forget You"
4: Bruno Mars, "Grenade"
3: Katy Perry, "Firework"

1: Adele, "Rolling in the Deep.

The ultra-crap is bolded. And music is just one example. You can go into nearly anything and find that the highest selling product in most categories is crap. Hell, beer sales are 95% macro piss lagers, while craft beer sales(including Sam Adams) make up only 5% of sales. Many Oscar winning movies make very little money until after they've won the award, and then see large amounts of ticket sales afterwards.
Face it dude, people this country buy what they are told to buy. Most people don't do thorough research. In fact, many people don't even know Android tablets exist simply because they're not marketed. When was the last time you saw a TV commercial for an Asus Transformer Prime?
 
2012-04-24 02:01:39 AM
Hilarious. The article quite literally says Apple TVs will be standard but over-priced shiny objects, but dress it up in marketing speech and I don't think most people will notice.

"It is my firm belief that there is a wide open market slot for a high-end design-led Apple TV set in this market. Apple should be able to market and succesfully [sic] sell $2000-3000 TV sets with unprecedented margins.""

High-end - Overly expensive so as to make your digital penis look bigger. Will advertise as awesome and unique features that have been standard on 'lesser' TVs for years. Works for their desktops, laptops, phones, and media players. Why wouldn't it work for their TVs?

Design-led - Oooh, shiny! Look, an Apple logo!! I don't care if it's expensive and functionally inferior because preeeeeeettyyyyyyy.

Unprecedented margins - Standard mass-produced innards in a shiny box with an Apple logo resulting in unjustified mark-up far exceeding costs, means more money and laugh at the fools.
 
2012-04-24 03:43:36 AM

wholedamnshow: Face it dude, people this country buy what they are told to buy. Most people don't do thorough research. In fact, many people don't even know Android tablets exist simply because they're not marketed. When was the last time you saw a TV commercial for an Asus Transformer Prime?


Went to see a client yesterday. We're working on a project that's tablet related (but not iPad). He showed me a little "toy" he picked up, a 7" Chinese tablet. I remember seeing an early Android tablet around the time the 1st iPad came out and it was horrible, but this thing ran quite smoothly. Angry Birds was playable and quite quick, browsing was good.

Downsides? Not as pretty or as polished as an iPad2, no camera, no GPS.

Upsides? SD card, USB port (so sideloading, copying music etc). Biggest one is price: £70, compared to £329 for the iPad2.

I reckon there's going to be a growth in these things. It's not as smooth for say, Angry Birds as an iPad now, but give it 18 months or so and these Chinese tablets will have fast enough processors and graphics chips that word-of-mouth will start spreading about what they're like.
 
2012-04-24 03:45:29 AM
Yeah, because high end products dominate every market of course. I don't think Honda and Toyota are too worried a few people can afford a Mercedes or a Porsche.
 
2012-04-24 07:22:37 AM

archichris: wholedamnshow: Kar98: I've got 25 GB free SkyDrive storage. And yeah, why keep ALL THE THINGS on your tablet? What benefit would I gain from carrying a ziploc baggie full of SD cards with all my movies, for instance?

I'm sorry you're missing the part of your brain that can't see the advantage of having an SD card. Just because II enjoy having an SD card on my tablet doesn't mean that I am somehow against cloud drives. I think clouds are great. However, they should complement physical storage, not replace it. And saying you have to have a ziploc bag full of them is just ridiculous. 32gb cards are $20 bucks

Instances when having an SD card slot on my tablet is awesome:
-On a vacation recently, Mrs WDS hadn't cleared her memory card. We popped it in my tablet, downloaded the pics, and cleared the card.
-Any time you are in a lousy service or no service area. Clouds are totally dependent on your internet connection. This generally doesn't happen to me often in Mass or CT, but I'm in New Hampshire and Vermont pretty regularly and 3g and 4g networks seems a bit more scarce up there. However, I still have access to all my files though, because I have two 32gb SD cards with me(one in the tablet and one in the leather case it carries in. Not a ziploc bag full.
-Storing my music on an SD card doesn't increase my data usage. Clouds do. If I listened to music off the cloud the same amount that I listen to it off my SD card, I'd be at the data cap before 30 days every month easily.

'


You aren't using a wifi SD card in your camera?
 
2012-04-24 08:58:11 AM

dramboxf: Mike_LowELL: Posted from my iPad

6/10

Just a few sentences too much. Brevity is the soul of wit.


7/10 personally...scary close to some of the people that actually uses Apple products.

/has an iPhone, loves it.
//hate apple fanbois though.
 
2012-04-24 09:28:07 AM

wholedamnshow: Oakenshield: Pheh. Who's going to buy a locked down $600 phone?

Unless you were buying it inactivated, the iPhone was never $600. Mrs WDS bought her iPhone for $200.


The original iPhone launched at $600 with a 2 year AT&T contract, a few weeks later it dropped to $400. Then AT&T upped their plan prices, added data caps and added in rebates to get it down to $200. Phones have always been quite expensive items and still are. An HTC One X will still cost you $600 unlocked, but you can get it for $200 if you let the carrier ream you for 2 years. I'm not sure that is a better deal.

iPhones have actually been coming down in price comparitively and it is more cost effective to buy the phone outright and get a cheap plan rather than getting it through a carrier. (In the UK at least)
 
2012-04-24 09:34:33 AM

Faddy: wholedamnshow: Oakenshield: Pheh. Who's going to buy a locked down $600 phone?

Unless you were buying it inactivated, the iPhone was never $600. Mrs WDS bought her iPhone for $200.

The original iPhone launched at $600 with a 2 year AT&T contract, a few weeks later it dropped to $400. Then AT&T upped their plan prices, added data caps and added in rebates to get it down to $200. Phones have always been quite expensive items and still are. An HTC One X will still cost you $600 unlocked, but you can get it for $200 if you let the carrier ream you for 2 years. I'm not sure that is a better deal.

iPhones have actually been coming down in price comparitively and it is more cost effective to buy the phone outright and get a cheap plan rather than getting it through a carrier. (In the UK at least)


If that's true, I stand corrected. However, at the very least, the two most recent models were $200 for the lowest end model.
 
2012-04-24 10:09:40 AM

wholedamnshow:

How the hell does a decrease in sales somehow relate to people's taste in music getting better, especially in a still relatively down economy? And even still, people are buying crap.

:


The music industry had been biatching about decreasing sales since at least the late 90's, the current economic down turn has very little to do with it.
 
kab
2012-04-24 11:20:27 AM
As mentioned already, folks don't change TVs as they change phones. The only possible way this TV does well at all is if it's 4k resolution at a price that is better than what Sony / Samsung / etc can do.

Given the still laughable price of their 30" monitors, I doubt they will pull it off.

PsyLord: So I don't see digital distribution as being viable until there is a true unlimited internet access.


There won't ever be. That's kind of the point.

/enjoy your 'cloud' experience
 
2012-04-24 01:19:38 PM

Kar98: Right, because a card slot adds so much functionality to a tablet.


Heh. I shiat you not. My wife - a total technophobe, just texted from the airport to ask where to put the sd card in her ipad so she can show her traveling partner some photos on the plane. Personally, I think tablets are fine without a card slot most of the time. But those who can't see the obvious utility if it did have one are just being obtuse.
 
2012-04-24 02:02:57 PM

wholedamnshow: The ultra-crap is bolded.


Umm... You only bolded eight of those, am I old, out of touch, or are you mistaken?
 
2012-04-24 05:23:14 PM

UnspokenVoice: wholedamnshow: The ultra-crap is bolded.

Umm... You only bolded eight of those, am I old, out of touch, or are you mistaken?


Actually, I only bolded 7, as the list consists of 9 items.
 
2012-04-24 05:50:01 PM

JohnBigBootay: Kar98: Right, because a card slot adds so much functionality to a tablet.

Heh. I shiat you not. My wife - a total technophobe, just texted from the airport to ask where to put the sd card in her ipad so she can show her traveling partner some photos on the plane. Personally, I think tablets are fine without a card slot most of the time. But those who can't see the obvious utility if it did have one are just being obtuse.


Why yes, I am bored at work, why ever did you ask? ;)
 
2012-04-25 04:12:31 PM

wholedamnshow: UnspokenVoice: wholedamnshow: The ultra-crap is bolded.

Umm... You only bolded eight of those, am I old, out of touch, or are you mistaken?

Actually, I only bolded 7, as the list consists of 9 items.


Somehow I counted ten or, probably, assumed ten. Hmm... That doesn't resolve my query though.

I must admit that it kind of sucks to not really be fond of the new music. I'm a bit old... *sighs* I'd hoped this day would never come but I can't stand rap or hip hop with VERY few exceptions. I don't mind old country, the new stuff is like pop music. I've never been into "pop." Gimme some Jethro Tull and James Taylor.
 
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