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(BGR)   Apple's iTV to dominate high-end TVs, other vendors in "crisis mode"   ( bgr.com) divider line
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2012-04-23 10:45:20 AM  
But it'll only allow you to watch shows it approves of, and if you change the station at any time from Apple's pre-approved programming, it voids the warranty and they remote brick it.
 
2012-04-23 10:51:00 AM  
I wont buy a TV for $2500. No farking way.

There is no way anyone can justify that
 
2012-04-23 10:52:42 AM  

Aarontology: But it'll only allow you to watch shows it approves of, and if you change the station at any time from Apple's pre-approved programming, it voids the warranty and they remote brick it.


Um ok? apple makes good products the least u could do is abide by there rules

Apple only wants to make your life better they do not care about the money

Idk why they do not jail peopl who try to abuse apples product's

If I went into your house and watched your tv i would go to jail for breaking and enterning because they are your tv shows and if i watch them without your permission that is stealing

So if you do the same on an apple tv there is no reason you should not be punished by the law

That may sound totalitarian but i am just thinking about apple's rights as a human being if that makes me totalitarian then i am hitler

Posted from my iPad
 
2012-04-23 11:53:54 AM  
FTFA:"recurring rumors point to an a la carte subscription model that positions channels like apps in the App Store."

If Apple can pull off this coup, I will support their service. I've been waiting for a large provider to go this route for years. Cable companies bundling all of the channels you want is an oudated model. If I could only pay for the channels I want, that would be a huge improvement over the existing business model.
 
2012-04-23 12:15:04 PM  
I think the iTV will dominate high-end TVs the way the Apple TV dominated net-enabled set-top boxes.
 
2012-04-23 12:17:05 PM  
Oh, it's this rumor again.
Except this time the media is asserting it instead of calling it a rumor, even though they've got the same amount of evidence now that they had over the last 3 years they've spent speculating about this.

So, is the user interface going to suck as bad as the AppleTV? If so I won't buy it.
 
2012-04-23 12:17:59 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Posted from my iPad


6/10

Just a few sentences too much. Brevity is the soul of wit.
 
2012-04-23 12:19:02 PM  
Most people will not pay 3x the price for something that is incrementally better.

Also- last I checked, Macs were still a very minor player in computing.
 
2012-04-23 12:30:02 PM  
I bet ITV is going to sue the living shiat out of Apple for trademark infringement. That should be fun.
 
2012-04-23 12:31:04 PM  

dramboxf: Mike_LowELL: Posted from my iPad

6/10

Just a few sentences too much. Brevity is the soul of wit.


Nah, the best Mike_LowELL stuff is the longer rants.
 
2012-04-23 01:27:17 PM  
I don't care how Apple does it or what their pricing model is so long as they can manage to make it brainless to use and maintain a better content library than those fark-ups over at Netflix.

I'm not tied to the buffet model that Netflix brought in. I did my Blockbuster rentals at $4 a movie for years and years, I'm okay with paying a dollar for a movie or $10 for a whole season of something to rent (given the time to watch it).

ricewater_stool: Most people will not pay 3x the price for something that is incrementally better.

Also- last I checked, Macs were still a very minor player in computing.


Yeah but they're kicking ass in the consumer electronics mid-high end market.
 
2012-04-23 01:30:38 PM  

RexTalionis: I think the iTV will dominate high-end TVs the way the Apple TV dominated net-enabled set-top boxes.


I actually had an AppleTV 2 around for about a year before I learned how to use Handbrake and iTunes home sharing. Once I figured that out, the AppleTV2 was a pretty great device

/also when Netflix didn't suck
 
2012-04-23 01:47:24 PM  
And so it begins; the long hard fall back to the bottom.

Time to short APPL.
 
2012-04-23 01:49:37 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: I think the iTV will dominate high-end TVs the way the Apple TV dominated net-enabled set-top boxes.

I actually had an AppleTV 2 around for about a year before I learned how to use Handbrake and iTunes home sharing. Once I figured that out, the AppleTV2 was a pretty great device

/also when Netflix didn't suck


It might not suck, but my point was that the AppleTV didn't exactly dominate like a lot of people thought it would, either.

I think Apple does really well when it's the first entrant to a market (i.e. professional notebooks, tablets, iPhone-like smartphones), it does less when it's entering into a market that's already pretty crowded.
 
2012-04-23 01:50:15 PM  
My Roku-on-an-HDMI-stick is soon to disagree with you.
 
2012-04-23 01:50:30 PM  

RDixon: And so it begins; the long hard fall back to the bottom.

Time to short APPL.


What do you have against Appell Petroleum?
 
2012-04-23 01:54:16 PM  

bemis23: RDixon: And so it begins; the long hard fall back to the bottom.

Time to short APPL.

What do you have against Appell Petroleum?


It is possible that I may have made a typo....
 
2012-04-23 01:54:20 PM  
I doubt it... The best feature about my Samsung is the USB input, which we all know Apple will probably steer away from.
 
2012-04-23 01:59:22 PM  
I'm sure it will come with one glaringly large missing basic feature. With a iPhone 4S on the latest software, you still can't make a group of contacts without downloading a 3rd party app, or syncing your desktop address book through iTunes. I swear if Apple made a car, it probably wouldn't have cruise control.
 
2012-04-23 01:59:22 PM  
RDixon: And so it begins; the long hard fall back to the bottom.

Time to short APPL.

What do you have against Appell Petroleum?


I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure Appell Petroleum won't be able to keep up with demand for the iTV.
 
2012-04-23 02:01:08 PM  

cman: I wont buy a TV for $2500. No farking way.

There is no way anyone can justify that


This. I stopped reading when the writer thinks a "2-3 grand tv" would appeal to 25% of the US market.

I don't know about you, but i use my electronics til they are smoldering piles of antiquated failure. I got a nice 46'' flat screen with 4 HDMi ports for $500 on black friday 4 years ago. Before that i had a gigantic CRT from 1990, just barely post soviet era. Still using my cheap ass Viore, but i've been looking at a new tv (mainly so i can put the old one in my bedroom and wall mount the new one in the den).

I will NOT be paying that much for that crap. I'm still irked i'm gonna have to pay over $600 for this new set with the wall mounting equipment, but it beats paying best buy $150 to do a simple chore.

/New from best buy! Install your Apple iTV for just $200! Come on it's just $200 more what's that onto of 2 grand..
 
2012-04-23 02:09:12 PM  
Remember, if the antenna isn't working correctly, it's your fault.
 
2012-04-23 02:09:16 PM  

suburbanguy: I swear if Apple made a car, it probably wouldn't have cruise control.


It would, but you could only cruise at Apple-approved speeds.
 
2012-04-23 02:10:19 PM  

RexTalionis: think Apple does really well when it's the first entrant to a market (i.e. ... iPhone-like smartphones)


That's a relatively narrowed defined "market".

/this will be the first iTV-like TV
 
2012-04-23 02:10:57 PM  
cman: I wont buy a TV for $2500. No farking way.

There is no way anyone can justify that

This. I stopped reading when the writer thinks a "2-3 grand tv" would appeal to 25% of the US market.

I don't know about you, but i use my electronics til they are smoldering piles of antiquated failure. I got a nice 46'' flat screen with 4 HDMi ports for $500 on black friday 4 years ago. Before that i had a gigantic CRT from 1990, just barely post soviet era. Still using my cheap ass Viore, but i've been looking at a new tv (mainly so i can put the old one in my bedroom and wall mount the new one in the den).

I will NOT be paying that much for that crap. I'm still irked i'm gonna have to pay over $600 for this new set with the wall mounting equipment, but it beats paying best buy $150 to do a simple chore.

/New from best buy! Install your Apple iTV for just $200! Come on it's just $200 more what's that onto of 2 grand..


But what if Comcast and DirecTV subsidize the cost so that it's only $500? Then all the Apple Fanbois will be all, "oooh look! Apple makes better stuff cheaper than everyone else!"
 
2012-04-23 02:12:52 PM  
whatever Apple does has to have more value to the consumer than 3DDDDDDDD!
 
2012-04-23 02:14:02 PM  
Why not just have a cheap media box with HDMI output, huge hard drive, bittorrent and an ethernet connection?

cheap PC, about £300, TV about £600, year of internet about £120.

Why bother with anything else? You could make it a hackintosh if you really love that sort of thing. Hell make it W8, Linux and OSX if you want...
 
2012-04-23 02:14:25 PM  

Crusader: FTFA:"recurring rumors point to an a la carte subscription model that positions channels like apps in the App Store."

If Apple can pull off this coup, I will support their service. I've been waiting for a large provider to go this route for years. Cable companies bundling all of the channels you want is an oudated model. If I could only pay for the channels I want, that would be a huge improvement over the existing business model.


My experience has shown me that the people who tend to want a la carte programming are the people who would be hurt the most by its implementation -- they're the people who want super speciality niche programming but hate having to pay for ESPN, Fox News, Comedy Central, or the Weather Channel. Unfortunately, odds are your niche programming isn't popular enough for a company to keep it on the air without all the people who don't watch it shelling out $0.10 a month to have it on the air.
 
2012-04-23 02:16:08 PM  
FTA: "The manufacturers are scrambling to cut costs but still add features to roll out ever higher volumes of TV sets through struggling retailers. Even though design is an important feature for high end TV sets, this is a much smaller share of the market than it should be. It is my firm belief that there is a wide open market slot for a high-end design-led Apple TV set in this market. Apple should be able to market and succesfully [sic] sell $2000-3000 TV sets with unprecedented margins."

Huh? Other manufacturers are struggling with lowering cost and adding features because the public won't buy ultra expensive HDTV's yet the author thinks that won't apply to Apple?

/his drugs, i wants what he's on.
 
2012-04-23 02:16:24 PM  

cman: I wont buy a TV for $2500. No farking way.

There is no way anyone can justify that


Came here to say this.

I own an iPhone and an iPad, but there's no freaking way in HELL that I'm going to shell out that much money for a TV.

However, if Apple's entry into this market segment drives prices down, that's fine with me. :-)
 
2012-04-23 02:17:04 PM  

RexTalionis: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: RexTalionis: I think the iTV will dominate high-end TVs the way the Apple TV dominated net-enabled set-top boxes.

I actually had an AppleTV 2 around for about a year before I learned how to use Handbrake and iTunes home sharing. Once I figured that out, the AppleTV2 was a pretty great device

/also when Netflix didn't suck

It might not suck, but my point was that the AppleTV didn't exactly dominate like a lot of people thought it would, either.

I think Apple does really well when it's the first second entrant to a market (i.e. professional notebooks, tablets, iPhone-like smartphones), it does less when it's entering into a market that's already pretty crowded.


FTFY. There were already MP3 players, smart phones, tablets, and notebook computers before Apple came along. They're just really good at refining other people's ideas.
 
2012-04-23 02:17:22 PM  

Stabone33: cman: I wont buy a TV for $2500. No farking way.

There is no way anyone can justify that

This. I stopped reading when the writer thinks a "2-3 grand tv" would appeal to 25% of the US market.

I don't know about you, but i use my electronics til they are smoldering piles of antiquated failure. I got a nice 46'' flat screen with 4 HDMi ports for $500 on black friday 4 years ago. Before that i had a gigantic CRT from 1990, just barely post soviet era. Still using my cheap ass Viore, but i've been looking at a new tv (mainly so i can put the old one in my bedroom and wall mount the new one in the den).

I will NOT be paying that much for that crap. I'm still irked i'm gonna have to pay over $600 for this new set with the wall mounting equipment, but it beats paying best buy $150 to do a simple chore.

/New from best buy! Install your Apple iTV for just $200! Come on it's just $200 more what's that onto of 2 grand..

But what if Comcast and DirecTV subsidize the cost so that it's only $500? Then all the Apple Fanbois will be all, "oooh look! Apple makes better stuff cheaper than everyone else!"


Apple fanboi here (sort of, i work on Macs). I think my mac brethren might wonder "what's wrong with it" if the price tag drops too low for a given apple product....
 
2012-04-23 02:18:17 PM  
I will not be buying an overpriced Apple TV...

To be fair... I don't buy anything sold by Apple for the same reason.
 
2012-04-23 02:18:20 PM  
I think they will have a problem calling it itv considering that is the name of th UK's second biggest television network
 
2012-04-23 02:19:27 PM  

dready zim: Why not just have a cheap media box with HDMI output, huge hard drive, bittorrent and an ethernet connection?

cheap PC, about £300, TV about £600, year of internet about £120.

Why bother with anything else? You could make it a hackintosh if you really love that sort of thing. Hell make it W8, Linux and OSX if you want...


More effort than I'm willing to put into it. My Roku kicks ass.
 
2012-04-23 02:20:06 PM  

Expolaris: This. I stopped reading when the writer thinks a "2-3 grand tv" would appeal to 25% of the US market.


The TV may appeal to the US Market, but will it appeal enough for them to actually shell out the cash for it? That's one hell of a premium.

Especially when you consider that you drop your current content provider and stream everything....and then your broadband provider jacks up the cost per GB for streaming.
 
2012-04-23 02:21:11 PM  
Question for you folks. Does Apple TV not offer HBO Go because it interferes with their business model of selling HBO shows via iTunes? I bought a friend Apple TV a year ago and we can't seem to find out if HBO Go is ever going to be added.
 
2012-04-23 02:21:37 PM  

gmoney101: I think they will have a problem calling it itv considering that is the name of th UK's second biggest television network


They'll just buy the rights to it for a billion dollars or so.

/Although I'd like to see them go with iDiotBox.
//Truth in advertising, yo.
 
2012-04-23 02:21:38 PM  
If I can have the ala carte programming on my ipad, I'll be just fine thanks.
 
2012-04-23 02:23:20 PM  
Apple should be able to market and succesfully [sic] sell $2000-3000 TV sets with unprecedented margins."

Unprecendented margins? Of farking course they have stupid margins when they sell their mid-range shiat wrapped in shiny metal cases for twice its actual market value.

Of course, these TV sets will have the Apple TV built in and seamlessly integrate with other Apple products, but fundamentally I think Apple will sell on superior design and quality of the actual TV set

Haha, oh, right, superior design. Meaning the thing will come in a burnished aluminum case and have only a single, Apple proprietarily designed, interface port. But not to worry, if you absolutely must connect to it via a HDMI cable they will offer a full supply of reasonably priced adapters.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:09 PM  

jaylectricity: dramboxf: Mike_LowELL: Posted from my iPad

6/10

Just a few sentences too much. Brevity is the soul of wit.

Nah, the best Mike_LowELL stuff is the longer rants video game reviews.


/WHAR REVIEWS MIKE? WHAR!
 
2012-04-23 02:27:14 PM  

RexTalionis:
It might not suck, but my point was that the AppleTV didn't exactly dominate like a lot of people thought it would, either.


The problem with it (and this applies across the board to similar devices) was people wanted to buy an aTV and *bam* there's your HBO, Starz, etc. all ready for you to subscribe or enjoy as a PayG buffet. Except the media conglomerates decided they didn't want to do that.

So it leaves these devices all but functionless unless you bolt them on to your NAS full of, most likely, torrented (or otherwise recorded OTA) stuff. Once you can do that they make kick-ass XBMC frontends.

If Apple were to release a TV that had the functionality of an aTV built in to it, I think it'd hit the exact same problem: you still need the cable box and expensive subscription. But Apple so no signs of releasing such a device and this is the rumour mill getting bored.
 
2012-04-23 02:29:58 PM  
Methinks I hear the sound of Apple jumping the shark.
 
2012-04-23 02:31:07 PM  

dready zim:
cheap PC, about £300, TV about £600, year of internet about £120.

Why bother with anything else? You could make it a hackintosh if you really love that sort of thing. Hell make it W8, Linux and OSX if you want...


£300 per room sounds irksome. I'd rather have a single £300 machine under the stairs and each room gets a £99 XBMC frontend talking to it using SMB over WiFi (or wired).
 
2012-04-23 02:34:39 PM  
Pheh. Who's going to buy a locked down $300 music player?

Pheh. Who's going to buy a locked down $600 phone?

Pheh. Who's going to buy a locked down $800 ereader?

One would assume, at some point, that of I keep banging my head into a wall, the source of my headaches will be found.
 
2012-04-23 02:35:14 PM  
My next TV will not have a frame around it, it will have at least 1200 PPI and it will be a touch screen.
 
2012-04-23 02:40:53 PM  

moistD: /WHAR REVIEWS MIKE? WHAR!


Working on it. Sorry about that. o.o
 
2012-04-23 02:45:41 PM  
If they can pull of the a la carte subscription system, they can have my money. They'll have a lifelong subscriber to their system. Several catches though: I'm not buying a new TV any time in the near future, and certainly not $2000 or $3000. It would take years to see any savings benefits over cable/satellite. I'll buy a Roku like device and that is it. If they think consumers will line up to drop that much money on a TV, they may be quite disappointed at the results.

Second, can Apple or anyone manage to convince entertainment companies to do the a la carte model? This is something consumers have wanted for years, and entertainment providers have refused to do. I know Apple is amazing and all of that, but this seems to be something even beyond their abilities. I dropped cable and use Netflix only now because of cable's lackluster system. The entertainment industry seems happy with the model though, and I have no idea what Apple could offer them that would make them change their minds.
 
2012-04-23 02:46:42 PM  

Oakenshield: Pheh. Who's going to buy a locked down $600 phone?


Unless you were buying it inactivated, the iPhone was never $600. Mrs WDS bought her iPhone for $200.
 
2012-04-23 02:48:33 PM  
Apple's success with the iPod and iPhone is predicated (to some extent) on the consumer's willingness to upgrade (repeatedly) to the newest model. That seems to work for handheld consumer electronics.

I don't see that working with TVs. Barring hardware failure, people tend to keep TVs (especially big TVs) for years. People seem to upgrade their TV sets far less often than they would upgrade even a relatively expensive electronic item like a laptop or desktop computer.

Then again, I could be wrong.
 
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