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(Newser)   While the US has been trying to disgust smokers into giving up tobacco, New Zealand has been considering a more direct idea: raising the price of cigarettes to $100 a pack   (newser.com) divider line 209
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2012-04-23 12:08:59 PM  
Don't give Scumbama any bright ideas.
 
2012-04-23 12:24:53 PM  
FFS, Why don't just declare them illegal? Do they think there's going to be less of a black market if they just slap a ludicrous price tag on them?
 
2012-04-23 12:43:23 PM  
How much is that in Sheep?
 
2012-04-23 12:44:50 PM  
It's a good thing they don't have a black market there.
 
2012-04-23 12:52:13 PM  
It is at least a bit harder to get black market in New Zealand, it being an island and all.

Western Europe could never ban anything outright effectively thanks to Eastern Europe.
 
2012-04-23 01:35:25 PM  
But, 3 News adds, Prime Minister John Key is concerned that higher prices may simply encourage a black lung market.
 
2012-04-23 01:36:12 PM  
I don't smoke cigarettes, but damn it so much that's just crazy.
 
2012-04-23 01:37:37 PM  
Oh just get over it. I smoke, its my choice. I don't smoke in restaurants- its banned, and I'm fine with stepping outside. I don't smoke in my house when guests who don't like smoke are here.
 
2012-04-23 02:01:32 PM  
I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.
 
2012-04-23 02:02:07 PM  
^the
 
2012-04-23 02:10:44 PM  

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


Let's be honest. Odds are, you'd then just end up buying them from some guy who has a hydro farm in his basement.
 
2012-04-23 02:10:54 PM  
Oh my god. Really?

That's ridiculous and idiotic.
 
2012-04-23 02:11:20 PM  
Because creating black markets has worked so well for other drugs?
 
2012-04-23 02:11:54 PM  
They should raise the price slowly so that black market cigarettes don't just take over.

At $100 a pop, they'd be a huge black market for them, with even worse ingredients if that's possible. I suppose NZ can control imports better than most, but not completely.
 
2012-04-23 02:11:56 PM  
If they tried that here, Mexico would benefit from a sudden flourish in their tobacco industry feeding our black market. It might even save their damned country, until we pressure them into making tobacco illegal to grow.
 
2012-04-23 02:12:46 PM  
Much like Norway then.
 
2012-04-23 02:13:24 PM  
And gee, I'll bet that there won't be any organized crime syndicates hauling smokes over from Australia, right? Way to go New Zealand, Auckland will look like Chicago in the 1920's.
 
2012-04-23 02:13:41 PM  
anyone mention creating a black market?
 
2012-04-23 02:13:43 PM  

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


When I was a kid I remember my dad freaking out because they went up to 75c a pack and vowing to quit if they ever reached a dollar. Long story short he died a few years ago with a 3 pack a day habit, around 4 bucks a pack. Waiting for the cost to help you quit is a no winner.

/5yrs smoke free last March.
 
2012-04-23 02:13:49 PM  
Yep it it a really great idea for the Government to try to control a vice. History has shown this to have been a complete success with alcohol, marijuana and other elicit drugs in the US.

As soon as governments realize the the attempted control of any vice will lead to nothing but violent crime we will all be better off. Be it drugs or prostitution or other vice there has never been a successful implementation of a prohibition but it sure has made many pimps and drug gangs rich.
 
2012-04-23 02:14:19 PM  
It would never happen in the USA, we make far too much money off the taxes to ever consider banning or effectively banning tobacco.
 
2012-04-23 02:14:27 PM  
Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.
 
2012-04-23 02:14:31 PM  
This is what happens when politicians don't read much history.
 
2012-04-23 02:15:39 PM  

Teknowaffle: It is at least a bit harder to get black market in New Zealand, it being an island and all.


It's a good think that cigarette cartons don't fit into shipping containers or aircraft cargo holds...
 
2012-04-23 02:16:10 PM  
Actually the officials said $100 was ridiculous and settled on a more reasonable $60 a pack.

although officials admit it is "probably unrealistic." The plan seen as the most likely would make a pack of cigarettes a still-sizable $60
 
2012-04-23 02:16:19 PM  
why not just make cigarettes more powerful? less smoking because you got more nicotine in your system
 
2012-04-23 02:17:22 PM  
That's retarded.
 
2012-04-23 02:17:30 PM  
$100 a pack?

farm1.staticflickr.com
Pffft! This is how I roll, biatches

www.drvino.com
This farking Cristal is room temperature!
 
2012-04-23 02:17:31 PM  
Wait, what will they do after having sex with the sheeps if they can't smoke anymore?
 
2012-04-23 02:17:36 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-23 02:17:40 PM  
Is it obviously not unrealistic to expouse unrealistic plans.
But, to what realistic point?

Come on Congress, give therestofus a chance and bring back prohibition of ETOH.

We NEED more Brazillionares.
 
2012-04-23 02:17:42 PM  
An idea that is sure to work! History is rife with examples of governments successfully controlling the market for stuff via restrictive legislation or artificially high prices!
 
2012-04-23 02:17:42 PM  
The black market rubs its hands in anticipation.

And it's New Zealand! It's not like someone can't grow tobacco themselves.
 
2012-04-23 02:18:16 PM  
Any Māori reservations available with tax-free smokes?
 
2012-04-23 02:18:20 PM  
Congrats on such a great idea. We can make smoking a luxury for the rich and create violence over contraband cigarettes. Brilliant!

/non-smoker
//if I don't have to breathe your smoke, I don't care what you do
 
2012-04-23 02:18:29 PM  
Then killing someone for a cigarette won't seem as egregious as it does now.
 
2012-04-23 02:19:02 PM  
I wish it were that simple that you could tax it away or whatever. Making them illegal won't work, taxing them to death won't work, but it will create other problems. Some problems from their inception are Pandora's Box. Good luck with fixing that.
 
2012-04-23 02:19:10 PM  
Canada tried this back in the 90s. It didn't end well.

/you can only tax people so much before they cheat
 
2012-04-23 02:19:17 PM  
cigarchronicles.com
 
2012-04-23 02:19:19 PM  

debug: It would never happen in the USA, we make far too much money off the taxes to ever consider banning or effectively banning tobacco.


No such thing as an effective ban on anything. It just creates a black market.
 
2012-04-23 02:19:47 PM  
26.media.tumblr.com
Approves of raising the price of cigarettes to $100 a pack
 
2012-04-23 02:19:57 PM  

AeAe: anyone mention creating a black market?


Das raysisst.
 
2012-04-23 02:20:09 PM  
 
2012-04-23 02:20:31 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: Yep it it a really great idea for the Government to try to control a vice. History has shown this to have been a complete success with alcohol, marijuana and other elicit drugs in the US.

As soon as governments realize the the attempted control of any vice will lead to nothing but violent crime we will all be better off. Be it drugs or prostitution or other vice there has never been a successful implementation of a prohibition but it sure has made many pimps and drug gangs rich.


Pretty much. Just makes it all legal to buy/use at a certain age, but illegal to use while operating machinery and then put the enforcement money into free rehab and education programs. We would all be better off.

And for the record businesses could still drug test even if it is legal. I worked for a company that did not allow tobacco smoking or alcohol of any kind (on or off work) and required weekly drug tests. Yeah...I didn't last there long.
 
2012-04-23 02:21:30 PM  
New Zealand is much more disgusting than the US, Subby. They've got graphic pictures on their cigarette packs of dead babies and tumors.

/roll your own and buy bulk, unprocessed tobacco
 
2012-04-23 02:23:30 PM  

hailin: And for the record businesses could still drug test even if it is legal. I worked for a company that did not allow tobacco smoking or alcohol of any kind (on or off work) and required weekly drug tests. Yeah...I didn't last there long.


Who would work for a company that thought it was ok to interfere in a person's private life this much? Seriously? A job offer from a company with this attitude should get the standard response of, "go fark yourself".
 
2012-04-23 02:23:48 PM  

jeblis: Because creating black markets has worked so well for other drugs?


My thoughts exactly. New York is spending a great deal of money to police against tobacco smuggling efforts. I suspect that it will eventually cost more than the extra tax revenue they bring in.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:18 PM  

netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.


Prove that statement with peer reviewed studies.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:21 PM  
The convenience stores here have started stocking Swedish Snus. Pasteurized instead of fermented and fire-dried. Far less cancer-causing compounds, awesome taste and cheaper than Skoal. I don't see myself quitting anytime soon, but I'm glad to have found something far less damaging to my body and wallet.
/$20 / day when chewing Skoal
/$4 / day chewing Snus
 
2012-04-23 02:24:23 PM  

TimonC346: I wish it were that simple that you could tax it away or whatever. Making them illegal won't work, taxing them to death won't work, but it will create other problems. Some problems from their inception are Pandora's Box. Good luck with fixing that.


The purpose of taxation is not to control behavior or to make things fair it to generate funds for the government to fund it legal responsibilities.

// not a smoker but I don't care what you do to your self
 
2012-04-23 02:24:44 PM  

hailin: chiefsfaninkc: Yep it it a really great idea for the Government to try to control a vice. History has shown this to have been a complete success with alcohol, marijuana and other elicit drugs in the US.

As soon as governments realize the the attempted control of any vice will lead to nothing but violent crime we will all be better off. Be it drugs or prostitution or other vice there has never been a successful implementation of a prohibition but it sure has made many pimps and drug gangs rich.

Pretty much. Just makes it all legal to buy/use at a certain age, but illegal to use while operating machinery and then put the enforcement money into free rehab and education programs. We would all be better off.

And for the record businesses could still drug test even if it is legal. I worked for a company that did not allow tobacco smoking or alcohol of any kind (on or off work) and required weekly drug tests. Yeah...I didn't last there long.


What company?
 
2012-04-23 02:24:45 PM  
cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

Really? The short-term dollar cost is what might motivate you to quit? OK, let me try to not sound like a dick ... I hope you find the right motivation, cuz it's tough to quit without a real reason other than "gosh it's so bad for you".

Can I interest you in a few of these significant medium and long-term risks?

Cancer
Lung disease
Liver disease
Heart disease
Higher rate of acute illnesses (colds etc)
Loss of smell
Loss of taste
Grumpiness and anger from addiction
Silly or irrational behavior caused by addiction
Fingers that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Hair that smells like stale cigarette smoke
Clothes that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Lower physical energy and stamina
and so on ...
 
2012-04-23 02:24:54 PM  

Teknowaffle: It is at least a bit harder to get black market in New Zealand, it being an island and all.

Western Europe could never ban anything outright effectively thanks to Eastern Europe.


Yup. When I saw this article, I thought, "This is a fantastic opportunity for Albanians to branch out of Europe and into the South Pacific.:
 
2012-04-23 02:25:09 PM  
My guess? In a few years, someone in NZ will be blowing someone else for a cigarette.
 
2012-04-23 02:25:17 PM  
when did people stop writing a new headline and just start copying the first line of an article? I have noticed this a lot lately here.

//are there even live subby's anymore?
 
2012-04-23 02:25:29 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Don't give Scumbama any bright ideas.


Well duh, I mean why do you think Marlborobama quit smoking?
 
2012-04-23 02:25:34 PM  
I stopped smoking 3 years ago, once prices spiked to over $6.00. Health issues were purely secondary, mine was a strictly economic choice. I could have started picking up tobacco on the rez for cheap, but that would have required more than a 5-min drive. See, laziness does occasionally have its benefits.
 
2012-04-23 02:26:06 PM  
Honestly, raising the price this high will only do one thing. Create a huge black market in illegal cigarettes. Didn't work for Alchohol or other drugs, why would they expect it to work here.
 
2012-04-23 02:26:42 PM  

Roger_the_Shrubber: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

Really? The short-term dollar cost is what might motivate you to quit? OK, let me try to not sound like a dick ... I hope you find the right motivation, cuz it's tough to quit without a real reason other than "gosh it's so bad for you".

Can I interest you in a few of these significant medium and long-term risks?

Cancer
Lung disease
Liver disease
Heart disease
Higher rate of acute illnesses (colds etc)
Loss of smell
Loss of taste
Grumpiness and anger from addiction
Silly or irrational behavior caused by addiction
Fingers that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Hair that smells like stale cigarette smoke
Clothes that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Lower physical energy and stamina
and so on ...


Wow, you're a dick.
 
2012-04-23 02:27:15 PM  
downstairs : Oh just get over it. I smoke, its my choice. I don't smoke in restaurants- its banned, and I'm fine with stepping outside. I don't smoke in my house when guests who don't like smoke are here.

i1.ytimg.com

But on the flip side, we have smokers who smoke in their car (with their arm hanging out the window so that they can flick the ashes outside of the car), who throw their still lit butts onto the side of the road and start wildfires that destroy millions of dollars worth of property.
 
2012-04-23 02:27:49 PM  
Charge the end user!

Do not Charge the Industry for adulterating the tobacco in such ways that it raises the cancer rate 1000x.

Don't you know that is FREEBASE NICOTINE you are inhaling? Thank the ammonia bath the industry gives the tobacco.
The clove oil they add to force open your bronchial sacks, the sugar they add to sweeten,
which fills those open sacs with caramel, the cheap fertilizers kicked down from filtering industrial waste that contain radioactivity... A giger counter can show you that... take one to a carton.

Charge the Industry with crimes against the people.
They are more responsible for cancer than the original plant they were selling.

Adulterated tobacco makes them money, and kills you 1000 times faster.
Why is that legal? Is that legal? Lobby money keeps it legal.

YAY Adulterated Tobacco
 
2012-04-23 02:30:31 PM  

softshoes: /5yrs smoke free last March.


Way to go!

I have noticed that quitting smoking gains me a lot of respect and support from people. So I make a policy of doing it often :-)

Did quit about 3 weeks ago, and now I'm wondering why I wanted to live longer :-)
 
2012-04-23 02:30:48 PM  
The phrase "tyranny of the majority" immediately springs to mind.
 
2012-04-23 02:31:25 PM  

MagSeven: My guess? In a few years, someone in NZ will be blowing someone else for a cigarette.



That clicking sound you hear are hundreds of Farkers buying cartons of Camels and plane tickets to NZ...
 
2012-04-23 02:31:42 PM  

downstairs: Oh just get over it. I smoke, its my choice. I don't smoke in restaurants- its banned, and I'm fine with stepping outside. I don't smoke in my house when guests who don't like smoke are here.


If you smoke in the house when you don't have company, you might as well smoke in there when you do. Stinks just as bad.
 
2012-04-23 02:31:58 PM  
cdn2.hark.com

Approves!
 
2012-04-23 02:32:09 PM  

Jake Havechek: Roger_the_Shrubber: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

Really? The short-term dollar cost is what might motivate you to quit? OK, let me try to not sound like a dick ... I hope you find the right motivation, cuz it's tough to quit without a real reason other than "gosh it's so bad for you".

Can I interest you in a few of these significant medium and long-term risks?

Cancer
Lung disease
Liver disease
Heart disease
Higher rate of acute illnesses (colds etc)
Loss of smell
Loss of taste
Grumpiness and anger from addiction
Silly or irrational behavior caused by addiction
Fingers that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Hair that smells like stale cigarette smoke
Clothes that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Lower physical energy and stamina
and so on ...

Wow, you're a dick.


Don't forget that smoking also makes you a dick!
 
2012-04-23 02:32:11 PM  
Cool. When are they gonna do that to sugar, which I understand is as bad, if not worse than tobacco???


Link

There are many more citations if you feel like looking for them.
 
2012-04-23 02:32:55 PM  
It's the Obama gas/alternative fuel policy being applied to tobacco. Brilliant!
 
2012-04-23 02:33:11 PM  
There is already a small segment of New Zealand enjoying the finest black-market pipe-weed this side of Mordor... also buttsecks

www.eastbayexpress.com
 
2012-04-23 02:33:25 PM  

OgreMagi: hailin: And for the record businesses could still drug test even if it is legal. I worked for a company that did not allow tobacco smoking or alcohol of any kind (on or off work) and required weekly drug tests. Yeah...I didn't last there long.

Who would work for a company that thought it was ok to interfere in a person's private life this much? Seriously? A job offer from a company with this attitude should get the standard response of, "go fark yourself".


Well I didn't realize it was that bad. When I agreed to work HR said there were "random drugs tests". I figured it was for illegal drugs. I went out to have a smoke break and my supervisor walked by and freaked out. Told me it was my one warning then rattled off other things I could have (like alcohol). I should have known something was up when the break room had only water and fruit with signs saying "Sugar will kill you!" and the negative effects of alcohol.

Surprisingly that isn't the only company I worked for with intolerance to smoking. The job I had after college I went and had a cigarette, then the owner pulled me in front of all the employees, lectured me on how bad smoking is for you, told me I smelled horrible (none of my co-workers thought I did, or so they told me afterward), had me remove my blazer and threw it outside (which was humiliating since I had a see-throughish camisole underneath), and then ended up sending me home to shower anyway. I should have taken the hint and left that first day, but I wanted to work so I stuck with the psycho for a year.
 
2012-04-23 02:33:39 PM  
Freedom, ye assassins name be health Nazis.
 
2012-04-23 02:36:22 PM  

shaunmark: What company?


I don't remember, it was some stupid green company with a name like Fizzd or Rizzd. I worked there exactly three days. They sold green solutions to companies.I don't think they are in business since the collapse though.
 
b3x
2012-04-23 02:36:27 PM  
lordargent:
But on the flip side, we have smokers who smoke in their car (with their arm hanging out the window so that they can flick the ashes outside of the car), who throw their still lit butts onto the side of the road and start wildfires that destroy millions of dollars worth of property.


You cannot save them all. Stop spending so much money on policing that which cannot be stopped.

if smoking cigarettes ceases:
will there still be littering? yes
will there still be wildfires? yes
will people still die from cancer? yes
will governments still look for other ways to increase revenue? yes

taxes on cigarettes have about as much to do with safety as traffic light cameras.
 
2012-04-23 02:37:02 PM  
See Kids? When the goverment decides it doesn't like what you are doing to your body, it can do all sorts of things to force you to do what it feels is best. It knows better.
 
2012-04-23 02:37:20 PM  
Jake Havechek: Wow, you're a dick.

[sigh] Yeah, pretty much.

But we just don't often consider the costs outside the paper in our wallets.

Cool, right on time, newton just posted another factor - there's what the tobacco industry is doing to the product. It just ain't natural!

But mass-produced cigarettes are cheap and convenient and highly addictive.

So how about ... "Think of the children?" No?
 
2012-04-23 02:37:49 PM  
People still smoke?
 
2012-04-23 02:38:19 PM  
Strik3r: Cool. When are they gonna do that to sugar, which I understand is as bad, if not worse than tobacco

Second hand sugar doesn't sound very appetizing.

I imagine it would look like this.
www.scienceclarified.com
 
2012-04-23 02:38:39 PM  
When I go to NZ I look forward to buying my tobacco in dimes

/The whole world has turned republican stupid
 
2012-04-23 02:38:56 PM  
Cigarettes should be at a dollar a piece to start.
 
2012-04-23 02:38:59 PM  

Strik3r: Cool. When are they gonna do that to sugar, which I understand is as bad, if not worse than tobacco???


Link

There are many more citations if you feel like looking for them.


Yeah. Enjoy eating your All-Bran and your unsweetened oatmeal. mmmm..
 
2012-04-23 02:39:27 PM  
This has been dealt with quickly in the thread but yeah, my first thought was

Coming to New Zealand: $100 Packs of Cigarettes? An explosion in Black Market Cigarettes
 
2012-04-23 02:40:03 PM  
The way I see it, nicotine isn't very addictive. We know this because the manufacturers themselves have confirmed it. Therefore, if NZ increased tobacco taxes to $100 a pack, NZ consumers would simply make the reasonable decision to stop buying them. There will be no black market takeover due to a lack of a viable market and cigarette smoking will largely vanish from the island forever.

/Oh, man. That monkey hurt like hell when it flew out of my ass!
 
2012-04-23 02:40:08 PM  

tommydee: softshoes: /5yrs smoke free last March.
Way to go!
I have noticed that quitting smoking gains me a lot of respect and support from people. So I make a policy of doing it often :-)
Did quit about 3 weeks ago, and now I'm wondering why I wanted to live longer :-)


It's been said a million times. NOBODY LIKES A QUITTER!
 
2012-04-23 02:40:15 PM  
Just switch to crack: it's cheaper, and it's a good way to meet chicks - at least I think they were chicks...
 
2012-04-23 02:40:47 PM  

Christian Bale: They should raise the price slowly so that black market cigarettes don't just take over.

At $100 a pop, they'd be a huge black market for them, with even worse ingredients if that's possible. I suppose NZ can control imports better than most, but not completely.


I live in Toronto, the pot here isn't imported.

/Tobacco is also a weed
//They'll figure it out
 
2012-04-23 02:40:49 PM  
Why don't they just make tobacco illegal to grow, as they do marijuana? Tobacco is a killer, and if you smoke, you are dumber than rocks.

This is personal to me. I quit in the 80s, when cigarettes were $1 a pack...it was too expensive. My darling wife never could. She has had breast and lung cancer, destroyed her health (the lung cancer was cured, but she's been 10 YEARS trying to get her energy back), destroyed our finances (health insurance? It still cost us about $30K after they paid. it's been 10 years, too). She still smokes. If it was $100 a pack, she'd still smoke. Non-smokers don't understand the addiction. It's a habit that needs to not START.

Stop the growing and sale of tobacco except as a prescription (I don't want to eliminate the possibility of a medical use...And anyone who can afford doctors that'll write it, deserve to die of it) STOP THE GROWTH OF TOBACCO. It's the only way to stop the death.

/Smokers, take a hint. those graphic pictures are your future
//and maybe the future of somebody close to you (I'm waiting...)
 
2012-04-23 02:41:01 PM  
b3x: taxes on cigarettes have about as much to do with safety as traffic light cameras.

I would rather have them start enforcing the laws that are on the books and collecting fines.

// but it's easier to just tax at the time of sale so it will never happened. As a result, everyone is getting penalized instead of just the offenders.
 
2012-04-23 02:41:02 PM  
Ok so make "cigarettes" 100 dollars a pack--then legalize marijuana and PROFIT. I always find it amusing that people will be all "hate the smokers but free the weed" When the weed is way worse for your lungs.
 
2012-04-23 02:41:25 PM  
how about making coke 50$ a liter and 25$ for a big mac while you're at it. they too cause health problems.
 
2012-04-23 02:41:30 PM  
Prime Minister John Key is concerned that higher prices may simply encourage a black market.

Nothing like that would ever happen.

Never.
 
2012-04-23 02:42:07 PM  

meanmutton: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

Let's be honest. Odds are, you'd then just end up buying them from some guy who has a hydro farm in his basement.


Probably not.
 
2012-04-23 02:42:44 PM  

chiefsfaninkc: debug: It would never happen in the USA, we make far too much money off the taxes to ever consider banning or effectively banning tobacco.

No such thing as an effective ban on anything. It just creates a black market.


Sure there is. Even if it becomes available on the black market, it's still effectively banned, as far as tax revenue is concerned, since you don't collect taxes on purchases from the black market. Wether it's still available or not doesn't matter since it isn't being taxed anymore and that's something the US will never allow to happen. We're to addicted to the tax money.
 
2012-04-23 02:43:26 PM  

lordargent: Strik3r: Cool. When are they gonna do that to sugar, which I understand is as bad, if not worse than tobacco

Second hand sugar doesn't sound very appetizing.

I imagine it would look like this.
[www.scienceclarified.com image 328x424]


Sugar is ALWAYS delivered first hand in just about every product you consume. No need for second hand sugar.
 
2012-04-23 02:44:06 PM  

newton: Charge the end user!

Do not Charge the Industry for adulterating the tobacco in such ways that it raises the cancer rate 1000x.

Don't you know that is FREEBASE NICOTINE you are inhaling? Thank the ammonia bath the industry gives the tobacco.
The clove oil they add to force open your bronchial sacks, the sugar they add to sweeten,
which fills those open sacs with caramel, the cheap fertilizers kicked down from filtering industrial waste that contain radioactivity... A giger counter can show you that... take one to a carton.

Charge the Industry with crimes against the people.
They are more responsible for cancer than the original plant they were selling.

Adulterated tobacco makes them money, and kills you 1000 times faster.
Why is that legal? Is that legal? Lobby money keeps it legal.

YAY Adulterated Tobacco


I used to work at the largest cigarette plant in the world in the part that processed the tobacco. They didn't have ammonia tanks.

They did put a lot of sugary based substances on the tobacco. The expanded tobacco, reclaim, and stems aren't that terrible either. But then again, I don't smoke either.
 
2012-04-23 02:44:29 PM  

Roger_the_Shrubber: But we just don't often consider the costs outside the paper in our wallets.


Yeah cuz we never ever heard that smoking was a health risk.
 
2012-04-23 02:44:29 PM  

hailin: Surprisingly that isn't the only company I worked for with intolerance to smoking. The job I had after college I went and had a cigarette, then the owner pulled me in front of all the employees, lectured me on how bad smoking is for you, told me I smelled horrible (none of my co-workers thought I did, or so they told me afterward), had me remove my blazer and threw it outside (which was humiliating since I had a see-throughish camisole underneath), and then ended up sending me home to shower anyway. I should have taken the hint and left that first day, but I wanted to work so I stuck with the psycho for a year.




Holy shiat snacks.

/Work for a company that has banned smoking everywhere....even in the parking lot.
 
2012-04-23 02:44:30 PM  

beta_plus: Canada tried this back in the 90s. It didn't end well.

/you can only tax people so much before they cheat


You mean like NOW

/ProTip most Cigarettes sold in Canada are not legit
//Should say VAST MAJORITY
 
2012-04-23 02:45:48 PM  

softshoes: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

When I was a kid I remember my dad freaking out because they went up to 75c a pack and vowing to quit if they ever reached a dollar. Long story short he died a few years ago with a 3 pack a day habit, around 4 bucks a pack. Waiting for the cost to help you quit is a no winner.

/5yrs smoke free last March.


Oh, I'm not waiting on it. Just saying $100 would be a very-hard-to-overcome obstacle.
 
2012-04-23 02:46:26 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Strik3r: Cool. When are they gonna do that to sugar, which I understand is as bad, if not worse than tobacco???


Link

There are many more citations if you feel like looking for them.

Yeah. Enjoy eating your All-Bran and your unsweetened oatmeal. mmmm..


Well, you know, LIFE is dangerous...... People die from it all the time......
 
2012-04-23 02:46:40 PM  

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me start up my own cartel. Then when I get the money, I get the power. Then when I get the power, I get the women.
 
2012-04-23 02:48:28 PM  

The_Sponge: hailin: Surprisingly that isn't the only company I worked for with intolerance to smoking. The job I had after college I went and had a cigarette, then the owner pulled me in front of all the employees, lectured me on how bad smoking is for you, told me I smelled horrible (none of my co-workers thought I did, or so they told me afterward), had me remove my blazer and threw it outside (which was humiliating since I had a see-throughish camisole underneath), and then ended up sending me home to shower anyway. I should have taken the hint and left that first day, but I wanted to work so I stuck with the psycho for a year.



Holy shiat snacks.

/Work for a company that has banned smoking everywhere....even in the parking lot.


He was just an ass. I wouldn't have stayed as long if my co-workers weren't so awesome. Funny thing is about 5 months after I was there he congratulated me on being smoke-free for that time. I had a cigarette at breakfast, lunch, and then after work, with dinner, and before bed. I always stood downwind, smoked outside, and had spritzer for afterwards. When I smoked most people didn't even know I did unless they saw me. Makes me think his "You stink" pony show was complete bull.
 
2012-04-23 02:48:45 PM  
if only something was grown in NZ that smokers could switch to....


OH yeah, they grow OPIUM poppies in NZ!

seriously, smoking is a nasty habbit.
at current prices a smoker can expect to have to shell out $400,000 on chemo.
and republicans think you will be able to get this on a "voucher", when they get rid of medicare.
yep keep voting for GOP and try to do cancer therapy out of pocket.
and the GOP says banning stinky buts from public places is the same as gennocide!
SMOKE and vote to end Medicare! vote to end regulations on medical insurance. yeah.
 
2012-04-23 02:49:04 PM  

Tenga: downstairs: Oh just get over it. I smoke, its my choice. I don't smoke in restaurants- its banned, and I'm fine with stepping outside. I don't smoke in my house when guests who don't like smoke are here.

If you smoke in the house when you don't have company, you might as well smoke in there when you do. Stinks just as bad.


Its not about the smell. If that bothers you, don't come over. But its rude to fill the air with smoke when guests are over. So I don't.
 
2012-04-23 02:49:07 PM  

albatros183: beta_plus: Canada tried this back in the 90s. It didn't end well.

/you can only tax people so much before they cheat

You mean like NOW

/ProTip most Cigarettes sold in Canada are not legit
//Should say VAST MAJORITY


I was alluding more to my impression that there is less AK-47 fire on the Great Lakes and the Thousand Islands these days.
 
2012-04-23 02:49:18 PM  
Sure if tax was the only weapon, some of the above objections might apply.

It's called Nudge where you use a range of tactics to try to achieve a social aim - restrictions on where you can smoke, plain packaging, forbid retail displays, TV campaigns to change smoking's appeal, as well as tax.

Whisky etc is expensive too, because of excise duty, and some people distill their own, but the taste is noticeably inferior, so the black market doesn't really come into play.
 
2012-04-23 02:49:35 PM  

cgraves67: If they tried that here, Mexico would benefit from a sudden flourish in their tobacco industry feeding our black market. It might even save their damned country, until we pressure them into making tobacco illegal to grow.


Isn't tobacco, like coffee, one of those crops that requires very specific climatic conditions to grow well?
 
2012-04-23 02:50:52 PM  
I usually pay $11.50 a pack (when I started almost 15 years ago it was $5.50 a pack)

Smoking is bad, I can't do it forever... I'm maybe a half a pack a day now, usually less.

It was magical coming home on my layover in LAX from San Francisco a few weeks ago and paying $3.70/pack for Marlboro Gold. Sooooo gooood!
 
2012-04-23 02:51:47 PM  
Time for the fat tax. I'm tired of paying for you chubsters to die from clogged arteries. $200 for a big mac, all the bran you can eat for free.

\ Yaaaay! Right?
 
2012-04-23 02:53:05 PM  
Why not leave the price of cigarettes alone and make it illegal to smoke them inside or outside within 500 yards (meters) of any building?
 
2012-04-23 02:53:39 PM  
\

MaudlinMutantMollusk: FFS, Why don't just declare them illegal? Do they think there's going to be less of a black market if they just slap a ludicrous price tag on them?


You are so insensitive, it's called the ABORIGINE market.

vernterv: That's retarded.


Word.
 
2012-04-23 02:54:05 PM  

debug: It would never happen in the USA, we make far too much money off the taxes to ever consider banning or effectively banning tobacco.


Interestingly, the last hike in tobacco tax in Michigan has resulted in lowered total tax revenue. They've finally hit the Laffer Curve.
 
2012-04-23 02:54:14 PM  

Cooper420: I usually pay $11.50 a pack


Damn, now I feel cheap and stuff. Once my brand hit $6.00+, that's when I said enough.
 
2012-04-23 02:55:01 PM  
Why not make Chantix free or at least make all insurance companies cover it?

\Tried it at $165/month
\\Worked very well, but couldn't afford it.
 
2012-04-23 02:55:15 PM  
25 years ago I got the bright idea that we could pass a law requiring cigarette companies to reduce the amount of nicotine in cigarettes by 5% a year.
 
2012-04-23 02:55:43 PM  

SumoJeb: The convenience stores here have started stocking Swedish Snus. Pasteurized instead of fermented and fire-dried. Far less cancer-causing compounds, awesome taste and cheaper than Skoal. I don't see myself quitting anytime soon, but I'm glad to have found something far less damaging to my body and wallet.
/$20 / day when chewing Skoal
/$4 / day chewing Snus


What the fark.... were you dipping 4 cans a day?
 
2012-04-23 02:57:49 PM  
tommydee: Roger_the_Shrubber: But we just don't often consider the costs outside the paper in our wallets.

Yeah cuz we never ever heard that smoking was a health risk.


Poor wording on my part. I meant "we" as a collective for regular smokers. It works better than "you people". And I used to smoke, so I'm not being disingenuous by including myself in that group - I used to put dollar cost ahead of everything else that smoking was taking from me. Can I afford a carton this week? Instead of do I wanna smell like stale smoke or do more laundry?
 
2012-04-23 02:59:20 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: Time for the fat tax. I'm tired of paying for you chubsters to die from clogged arteries. $200 for a big mac, all the bran you can eat for free.


When Chubby eats a Big Mac, it doesn't also clog my arteries.
 
2012-04-23 03:00:45 PM  

Perducci: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Time for the fat tax. I'm tired of paying for you chubsters to die from clogged arteries. $200 for a big mac, all the bran you can eat for free.

When Chubby eats a Big Mac, it doesn't also clog my arteries.


Ya, diesel trucks and airplanes and cars and coal plants don't pollute your lungs either.

\ But necessity right?
 
2012-04-23 03:00:56 PM  

pit and pendulum: how about making coke 50$ a liter and 25$ for a big mac while you're at it. they too cause health problems.


I think if I could buy a liter of Coke for 50$ that would pretty much be it for me, I wouldn't need a big make

/OD and death decreases appetite FYI
 
2012-04-23 03:01:47 PM  

Perducci: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Time for the fat tax. I'm tired of paying for you chubsters to die from clogged arteries. $200 for a big mac, all the bran you can eat for free.

When Chubby eats a Big Mac, it doesn't also clog my arteries.


Yeah, but we are the ones who have to look at your fatass.
 
2012-04-23 03:02:51 PM  

beta_plus: albatros183: beta_plus: Canada tried this back in the 90s. It didn't end well.

/you can only tax people so much before they cheat

You mean like NOW

/ProTip most Cigarettes sold in Canada are not legit
//Should say VAST MAJORITY

I was alluding more to my impression that there is less AK-47 fire on the Great Lakes and the Thousand Islands these days.


True though as I recall 555's where British
 
2012-04-23 03:04:41 PM  
Why not just pull the collective stick out of our asses, relax, and leave people alone.
 
2012-04-23 03:05:47 PM  

violentsalvation: SumoJeb: The convenience stores here have started stocking Swedish Snus. Pasteurized instead of fermented and fire-dried. Far less cancer-causing compounds, awesome taste and cheaper than Skoal. I don't see myself quitting anytime soon, but I'm glad to have found something far less damaging to my body and wallet.
/$20 / day when chewing Skoal
/$4 / day chewing Snus

What the fark.... were you dipping 4 cans a day?


No. The price for a normal tin of Skoal or Cope is around $20 (34 grams) BC Government takes about $16 / tin as tax. 15 gram tins (dunno if they sell those in the states) are about $12 a tin. I started dipping when i was 13 or 14. tins were $4 and was no big deal to shove a huge wad in your mouth while bailing hay or playing ball. Now that same lipfull is about $5 - which is more than pot in this province! I had been trying to cut back, but between fishing and hunting seasons I never really put any effort into it. The Swedish Snus seems to have dramatically less withdrawal symptoms, I assume from the lack of additives. I cut back from 34 grams a day to 6 grams of snus. No withdrawal. I have far more energy, probably from the combination of less nicotine and less harmful additives. My mouth doesn't always feel dry and rough, my breath doesn't stink nearly as bad, and since the snus is packaged like Skoal Bandits .. i never accidentally lose my dip in my mouth which usually results in swallowing a lot of chew or puking..
 
2012-04-23 03:06:15 PM  
Does New Zealand have those people who go around looking in ashtrays from smokable cigarette leftovers? Well, they will.

Haven't smoked since 1992.
 
2012-04-23 03:06:19 PM  

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


You're fooling yourself... you'd be sucking cock down at the bus station with the rest of the smokers to score the cash for your smokes.
 
2012-04-23 03:10:23 PM  
Just_start_vaping.
 
2012-04-23 03:11:22 PM  

The_Sponge: /Work for a company that has banned smoking everywhere....even in the parking lot.


That's getting a lot more common. There are some health insurance cost breaks for companies if they do this.
 
2012-04-23 03:13:59 PM  
A windfall for smugglers. In the US butt smugglers are the mob and terrorists.
 
2012-04-23 03:14:33 PM  
Ban smoking completely, just be ready for a 45% sales tax to make up for the lost revenue.
 
2012-04-23 03:14:58 PM  
Raising the cost of something that is addictive does absolutely nothing in beating the addiction... It just makes it that more destructive. I'm a smoker and absolutely broke and unable to afford my habit at this point... Trying to quit yet I still find myself passing up on groceries just to have some smokes. It stupid and I am effectively a crack-whore with the prices so high that I spend my entire pay-check appeasing the habit- even better is the fact that 'quit smoking' aids are even more expensive. I stare at the nicotine gum and patches well out of my price range as I dump the change on the counter to pick up my smokes to end a nicotine fit. FARK people for putting high prices on things like this.
 
2012-04-23 03:15:14 PM  

gibbon1: 25 years ago I got the bright idea that we could pass a law requiring cigarette companies to reduce the amount of nicotine in cigarettes by 5% a year.


Welcome to the 23rd century.

thesnowolf.com
 
2012-04-23 03:16:01 PM  

AeAe: anyone mention creating a black market?


RACIST!
 
2012-04-23 03:17:52 PM  
You'll just create 'another' black market.

Stop doing that. Just tax them as much as you can without creating a black market and (try) to funnel the money into healthcare.
 
2012-04-23 03:18:03 PM  
20 year smoker here, just made an appointment with my Dr. to get on something to help me quit since I have been kicking around the idea for a year now.

Gonna try Chantrix, patch worked well but still difficult to kill the physical routine habit.
 
2012-04-23 03:18:28 PM  
Are we talking a packet of 2) or a carton (multiple packs)? If the latter, the price would probably be very close to that already, if a packet, that's very high indeed.

Thing is, I would expect massive smuggling if any country, even as remote as New Zealand, were to raise prices unilaterally to such levels. In Canada, the natives on several border reserves (reservations in the US) smuggle and sell cigarettes more or less with impunity since they aren't obliged to pay excise taxes and can get sales taxes refunded--their treaties exempt them from taxation on reserve.

$100 would certainly be punitive and would, in fact, stop many people from smoking, starting with the poor and teenagers, but total elimination of smoking is unlikely as long as it has cachet, and the cachet of illegality is greater than the cachet of mere stupidity and self-destructiveness.

Tobacco is more addictive than many illegal drugs and thus is harder to quit. That alone makes the fiscal bite less likely to succeed at any price.

On the other hand, if the excise taxes were paid towards quitting programmes and health care, you might be able to wean all that more people from the dread cancer stick.

With the exception of native ceremonies and perhaps perfume-making, tobacco is totally useless, and those not exposed to it would no more miss it than the average person misses the opium trade or Senator Strom Thurmond both relics of XIXth century racism.
 
2012-04-23 03:18:49 PM  
The war on tobacco will become part of the war on drugs.
 
2012-04-23 03:19:24 PM  
Preying off peoples addictions just like the drug dealers do... stay classy assjacks.

/if they are so evil why not just make them illegal?
 
2012-04-23 03:20:32 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: 20 year smoker here, just made an appointment with my Dr. to get on something to help me quit since I have been kicking around the idea for a year now.

Gonna try Chantrix, patch worked well but still difficult to kill the physical routine habit.


All the side effects should distract you long enough to kick tha habit
 
2012-04-23 03:26:20 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: 20 year smoker here, just made an appointment with my Dr. to get on something to help me quit since I have been kicking around the idea for a year now.

Gonna try Chantrix, patch worked well but still difficult to kill the physical routine habit.


Try e-cigs -- I tried everything else and was never able to quit. The e-cig mimics the physical routine and also delivers the nicotine with a bit whoosh of goodness, rather than the boring slow-release of patches and gums. Plus, no stink, no wheezing in the morning, and it costs about $0.40 per day.

Got my first e-cig 9 months ago and haven't had a cigarette since. Wasn't even planning to quit, just bought one at a drugstore out of curiosity.

Don't get one at a drugstore (or mall kiosk, or gas station). The good ones are sold online (the eGo is a good starter).

EIP if you would like to be pointed in the right direction. I love helping smokers get off the habit using e-cigs.
 
2012-04-23 03:26:33 PM  

hitlersbrain: You'll just create 'another' black market.

Stop doing that. Just tax them as much as you can without creating a black market and (try) to funnel the money into healthcare.


Upping the price to any significant and ridiculous amount like $100 a pack they might as well make it illegal because the ramifications on the front end would be the same. This is a very very bad idea!!!!

If cigarettes become illegal or exhorbitantly high, drug related crimes we see today will be pale in comparison to smoke related crimes of the future! and every convenience store, gas station etc better have armed guards or ED209s guarding it because they will have $10 million worth of smokes in there!

The fact that it is actually harder to kick smoking then hard drugs will also make things so much worse.
 
2012-04-23 03:27:26 PM  
Some of you forget that NZ is an isolated island. Every thing needs to be shipped or flown in.

Running a black market will not be as easy as between US states or in Canada where you can just drive unstopped any state border or run through a porous Canada-US border.

NZ is so far from other countries by boat that it has ample time to intercept every boat for customs checks. Unlike the US and Canada where a 10-60 minutes fast boat ride will get you through the border illegally which leaves little time for detection and interception.
 
2012-04-23 03:27:30 PM  

keithdcmoore: Raising the cost of something that is addictive does absolutely nothing in beating the addiction... It just makes it that more destructive. I'm a smoker and absolutely broke and unable to afford my habit at this point... Trying to quit yet I still find myself passing up on groceries just to have some smokes. It stupid and I am effectively a crack-whore with the prices so high that I spend my entire pay-check appeasing the habit- even better is the fact that 'quit smoking' aids are even more expensive. I stare at the nicotine gum and patches well out of my price range as I dump the change on the counter to pick up my smokes to end a nicotine fit. FARK people for putting high prices on things like this.


Your problem is that you are inferior if you where like me, I wouldn't have to dump toxic air freshener all over to protect my delicate senses

/Also your poor, and ickky
 
2012-04-23 03:27:42 PM  

waterrockets: The_Sponge: /Work for a company that has banned smoking everywhere....even in the parking lot.

That's getting a lot more common. There are some health insurance cost breaks for companies if they do this.


...Aaaand that's how the Free Market will sort this out.
 
2012-04-23 03:28:06 PM  
Here, try some Chewlies gum instead
 
2012-04-23 03:29:49 PM  

netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.


There is a nutritional benefit from eating food, even fast food. There is no nutritional benefit from puffing on a cigarette. That habit is completely unnecessary for survival and is a vile behavior that can be excised from human activity.
 
2012-04-23 03:30:06 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: FFS, Why don't just declare them illegal? Do they think there's going to be less of a black market if they just slap a ludicrous price tag on them?


The Parable of the Boiling Frog:

Drop a frog into boiling water, and it will jump out immediately.

Very slowly warm a frog in water until it reaches boiling point, and it will stay there until it is completely cooked.

Gradually tightening regulations over smoking and smokers' rights give time for smokers to get used to and accept the new restrictions on their behaviour. Simply banning it outright would cause a HUGE backlash which would lead to protests, civil disobedience, and a black market.

///This comment works if you are pro- or anti-smoking
 
2012-04-23 03:32:47 PM  
I have a cartoon collection (Private Eye? Punch?) which includes some strips from the 1980s or 1990s about a future British Antihero who is on the run from the law because he smokes, drinks, and eats fried foods. It's hilarious. It just keeps getting funnier and funnier in that "it's funny because it's true" kind of way that cartoons have.

In one episdoe Our Hero shares a smoke and a collection of illicit cigarette advertising. In another he remembers his parents, who were heavy-drinking, fat, chain-smokers. He tries to put his finger on what was different about them and realises it was that they were happy. In another, recalling 1984, a fellow sinner who has been re-educated claims that he never felt better and begs Our Hero to kill him because he can't stand his own smugness as a reformed smoker, drinker, etc.

Asthmatic though I may be, and therefore glad that I can eat fish and chips in a cheap restaurant and taste the grease and not the cigarette tar, I have to say he was prescient. Society is always down on something. It can't get by without some kind of sin to prosecute, tax and bully.

Thank God homosexuality, adultery and being total dicks are all mainstream. There's no way humans could do without tobacco, alcohol and toxic food if they had to be chaste and charitable at the same time.

It's Prohibition, or its Inhibition. I don't think human beings would survive long if they had to practice what they preach on both at the same time. Note that during Prohibition, Nudie Films and Artsie Nudie Dioramas were all the rage, dancing was everywhere, and you couldn't find a police stoolie for the tobacco smoke, drug dealers and jazz bands.

Vice is a rubber sheet. Pull on one end and you uncover the other end.
 
2012-04-23 03:34:04 PM  

hailin: The_Sponge: hailin: Surprisingly that isn't the only company I worked for with intolerance to smoking. The job I had after college I went and had a cigarette, then the owner pulled me in front of all the employees, lectured me on how bad smoking is for you, told me I smelled horrible (none of my co-workers thought I did, or so they told me afterward), had me remove my blazer and threw it outside (which was humiliating since I had a see-throughish camisole underneath), and then ended up sending me home to shower anyway. I should have taken the hint and left that first day, but I wanted to work so I stuck with the psycho for a year.



Holy shiat snacks.

/Work for a company that has banned smoking everywhere....even in the parking lot.

He was just an ass. I wouldn't have stayed as long if my co-workers weren't so awesome. Funny thing is about 5 months after I was there he congratulated me on being smoke-free for that time. I had a cigarette at breakfast, lunch, and then after work, with dinner, and before bed. I always stood downwind, smoked outside, and had spritzer for afterwards. When I smoked most people didn't even know I did unless they saw me. Makes me think his "You stink" pony show was complete bull.


Most dog and pony shows are. Unfortunately some people are hard wired to be complete and utter farkbags. They tend to be in management and HOAs.

/Starts saving all my bread to buy a big ass boat and getting familiar with NZ coastal waters.
 
2012-04-23 03:34:43 PM  

Do you know the way to Mordor: MaudlinMutantMollusk: FFS, Why don't just declare them illegal? Do they think there's going to be less of a black market if they just slap a ludicrous price tag on them?

The Parable of the Boiling Frog:

Drop a frog into boiling water, and it will jump out immediately.

Very slowly warm a frog in water until it reaches boiling point, and it will stay there until it is completely cooked.

Gradually tightening regulations over smoking and smokers' rights give time for smokers to get used to and accept the new restrictions on their behaviour. Simply banning it outright would cause a HUGE backlash which would lead to protests, civil disobedience, and a black market.

///This comment works if you are pro- or anti-smoking


I simply can't see how an outright ban would be any different than an absurd increase in price. Either way, it seems that you would be creating the perfect conditions for a black market.

/ex-smoker, BTW
 
2012-04-23 03:36:08 PM  
First problem is smuggling. It would happen and it would be rampant. Hell, if there was a country nearby where cigarettes were $100 a pack I'd consider becoming a smuggler myself! The profit would be amazing.

Next problem: once the "war on smoking" has been won, they'll be coming after fatties next. Don't kid yourself. Everyone who thinks high taxes on smoking is a great idea to force smokers to quit will be singing a different tune when they're taxing the bejesus out of junk food.
 
2012-04-23 03:37:50 PM  

dericwater: netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.

There is a nutritional benefit from eating food, even fast food. There is no nutritional benefit from puffing on a cigarette. That habit is completely unnecessary for survival and is a vile behavior that can be excised from human activity.


There is some evidence that suggests smoking helps to calm some schizophrenics.

Paragraph, in context:
http://apt.rcpsych.org/content/6/5/327.full
Another suggestion is that patients smoke as a form of self-medication with nicotine, which may help regulate a dysfunctional mesolimbic dopamine system. It may increase dopamine release in the pre-frontal cortex and alleviate positive and negative symptoms (Lavin et al, 1996). Worsening of psychotic symptoms on nicotine withdrawal has been reported (Dalack & Meador-Woodruff, 1996). It has also been shown that nicotine administration enhances cognitive performance on a number of tasks. However, in general, patients with schizophrenia who smoke report similar reasons to other smokers ("addicted", "relaxation" and "to calm down"), with only 17% of patients reporting that smoking improved psychotic symptoms.

/everything has a use
//everything
 
2012-04-23 03:37:50 PM  
Well, if NZ would properly allow E-cigs to be sold in the country instead of just allowing importation, this wouldn't be a problem. More people could switch to E-cigs without having to order from abroad and they'd be largely smoke-free even sooner.
 
2012-04-23 03:39:32 PM  

dericwater: netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.

There is a nutritional benefit from eating food, even fast food. There is no nutritional benefit from puffing on a cigarette. That habit is completely unnecessary for survival and is a vile behavior that can be excised from human activity.


Yeah. I don't see what everybody is whining about. I am happy to let other people be killed in turf wars or tossed in prison if it means my life will be slightly more comfortable.

People should be more like me. It is for their own good. If that means the government has to enforce it, then so be it.
 
2012-04-23 03:43:53 PM  
That whole part of the world has a vested interest in making us go all Thunderdome over something. Also, I shudder to think about the nicotine overdoses. Whatever one thinks of cigarettes, they sure beat liquid nicotine.
 
2012-04-23 03:44:52 PM  

umad: dericwater: netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.

There is a nutritional benefit from eating food, even fast food. There is no nutritional benefit from puffing on a cigarette. That habit is completely unnecessary for survival and is a vile behavior that can be excised from human activity.

Yeah. I don't see what everybody is whining about. I am happy to let other people be killed in turf wars or tossed in prison if it means my life will be slightly more comfortable.

People should be more like me. It is for their own good. If that means the government has to enforce it, then so be it.


I agree I'm a STRICKED Vegan and so long as eating anything not vegan is enforced by the state with heavy armament and SEVER PUNISHMENT, I'm for it.

/In fact any thing I disagree with even in the slightest
 
2012-04-23 03:47:09 PM  
I dunno, could be nice for smokers. Kind of brings back some class to stinking like shiat.
 
2012-04-23 03:48:04 PM  
I hope they do. It's a 20 min drive to the nearest reservation here. You can bet just a few people are going to be buying as many as we can and selling them for even half the price here.
 
2012-04-23 03:48:05 PM  
I tend to side with modern psychological studies which suggest that there is no such think as "Will Power". There is only "Won't Power". To resist temptation, you need a distraction. You can to some extent negotiate with yourself, but the strongest technique to resist any impulse is another impluse (Freud and Neitzsche both hit on the idea of the mind as a republic of impulses separately, although they did share a groupie).

Thus, if you try to suppress all your "vices" (or your "virtues") at once you are doomed to fail. You need one vice to act as a distraction to another. And since moralists as far back as the Duke of Larochefoucauld have argued that vices and virtues are merely two sides of the same constantly flipping coin, you can sometimes substitute a "virtue", such as being a prig, for a "vice", such as over-eating, but you can't do without the vices.

The best republic is merely the one with the best balance of powers between the vices and their flip-side, the virtues. If you let either vice or virtue run amuck, they metaphorphose into something worse, often each other.

To quote Socrates, when a physionomist told him that his face showed all the vices, "This is true, but I am master of them all." Which is to say, I've played them off against each other successfully so no clique gets out of hand. I know I am a sinner, but I am a sinner divided against himself, and if a house is divided against itself, be it a house of vices, how can it stand? It can stand only by leaning on itself like a house of cards or a well-constructed Chinese puzzle where every piece is locked in place by every other piece.

Cynical, perhaps, but cynical in the philosophical sense, not the common garden variety sense of disenchanted idealism.
 
2012-04-23 03:51:53 PM  

Teknowaffle: It is at least a bit harder to get black market in New Zealand, it being an island and all


My sister in law smokes black market tobacco in New Zealand, so I'm getting a kick ...
I tried it, it was horrible

// the tobacco, not my sister in law
 
2012-04-23 03:52:06 PM  
$100 to smell like ass? Sign me up!
 
2012-04-23 04:05:45 PM  
Pipe tobacco's cheaper. Plus it'll get you laid.
 
2012-04-23 04:07:20 PM  

umad: People should be more like me. It is for their own good. If that means the government has to enforce it, then so be it.


Is that your Final Solution?
 
2012-04-23 04:23:22 PM  

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


How about a trade that doesn't fark over other people's life choices? Every time you buy a pack, hire a guy to yell at you for 12 hours. I bet you quit smoking earlier.
 
2012-04-23 04:25:47 PM  
Because everyone knows that creating lucrative black markets for something is the absolute best way to prevent it from causing harm.
 
2012-04-23 04:29:32 PM  

Teknowaffle: It is at least a bit harder to get black market in New Zealand, it being an island and all.

Western Europe could never ban anything outright effectively thanks to Eastern Europe.


In Norway tobacco costs about 25 Euros for a packet.
 
2012-04-23 04:37:44 PM  
If you smoke in the car with your kids in the backseat, you can die and go straight to hell.
 
2012-04-23 04:39:49 PM  

Cyclonic Cooking Action: Perducci: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Time for the fat tax. I'm tired of paying for you chubsters to die from clogged arteries. $200 for a big mac, all the bran you can eat for free.

When Chubby eats a Big Mac, it doesn't also clog my arteries.

Ya, diesel trucks and airplanes and cars and coal plants don't pollute your lungs either.

\ But necessity right?


Pretty much.

There are limitless purposes to driving a truck or plane or car, or using a coal plant to generate power (obviously, less-polluting alternatives would be better, but that's another issue).

There are, however, only two reasons to smoke:
1. The person smoking thinks they look cool.
2. The person smoking is an addict and actually believes that it provides them with pleasure.
Neither of these comes even close to the level of utility or necessity associated with transporting goods or people, or generating electricity.
 
2012-04-23 04:40:09 PM  

AeAe: anyone mention creating a black market?


I patented black markets. Pay me

/jack shiat and fark off
 
2012-04-23 04:43:40 PM  
People rationalizing smoking by comparing it to a Big Mac are farkin delusional.

No one ever got second-hand fat.

No one even burned down an entire apartment complex because they fell asleep eating fries.

fark you smokers.
 
2012-04-23 04:46:26 PM  

Buttknuckle: Why not make Chantix free or at least make all insurance companies cover it?

\Tried it at $165/month
\\Worked very well, but couldn't afford it.


I'm thinking about trying Chantix to quit. I've smoked on and off for 20 years, usually only in the evenings and only when I drink beer. I've heard that Chantix cuts both your cravings for nicotine and alcohol. Have any of you Farkers used Chantix to quit? What's the scoop? $165 a month is more than I spend on cigarettes in a month, but worth it if I can walk away from those coffin nails for good (saving about $1,200 per year in the long run).

www.wired.com
 
2012-04-23 04:49:47 PM  

Perducci: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Perducci: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Time for the fat tax. I'm tired of paying for you chubsters to die from clogged arteries. $200 for a big mac, all the bran you can eat for free.

When Chubby eats a Big Mac, it doesn't also clog my arteries.

Ya, diesel trucks and airplanes and cars and coal plants don't pollute your lungs either.

\ But necessity right?

Pretty much.

There are limitless purposes to driving a truck or plane or car, or using a coal plant to generate power (obviously, less-polluting alternatives would be better, but that's another issue).

There are, however, only two reasons to smoke:
1. The person smoking thinks they look cool.
2. The person smoking is an addict and actually believes that it provides them with pleasure.
Neither of these comes even close to the level of utility or necessity associated with transporting goods or people, or generating electricity.


There are only two reasons smug douchebags post in a thread. Well one really. And if they try telling you any different....
 
2012-04-23 04:51:39 PM  
Tax diapers and baby formula for a change.
 
2012-04-23 04:53:12 PM  
I am never in favor of raising taxes on a product so high that it becomes a defacto ban of said product. $100 a pack certainly qualifies.
 
2012-04-23 04:55:20 PM  

Roger_the_Shrubber: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

Really? The short-term dollar cost is what might motivate you to quit? OK, let me try to not sound like a dick ... I hope you find the right motivation, cuz it's tough to quit without a real reason other than "gosh it's so bad for you".

Can I interest you in a few of these significant medium and long-term risks?

Cancer
Lung disease
Liver disease
Heart disease
Higher rate of acute illnesses (colds etc)
Loss of smell
Loss of taste
Grumpiness and anger from addiction
Silly or irrational behavior caused by addiction
Fingers that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Hair that smells like stale cigarette smoke
Clothes that smell like stale cigarette smoke
Lower physical energy and stamina
and so on ...


And don't forget these other awesome, non-health-specific, things associated with smoking:

House fires.
Forest/brush fires.
Property damage (burn marks on upholstery, cigarette stank on everything, etc.)
Litter.
Social stigma and the assumption that you have a general lack of concern for the people around you.
Higher insurance (house, car, life, and health) premiums.
...
 
2012-04-23 04:57:33 PM  
I tried to use Champix to quit (that's what it's labeled as up here in Canada), but had an allergic reaction and then went the rest of the way cold turkey.

It works.

I still bum a smoke regularly when I'm drinking, but I would recommend Chantix / Champix to anyone who is trying.
 
2012-04-23 04:58:11 PM  
hc.norml.net
 
2012-04-23 04:58:17 PM  

caddisfly: Buttknuckle: Why not make Chantix free or at least make all insurance companies cover it?

\Tried it at $165/month
\\Worked very well, but couldn't afford it.

I'm thinking about trying Chantix to quit. I've smoked on and off for 20 years, usually only in the evenings and only when I drink beer. I've heard that Chantix cuts both your cravings for nicotine and alcohol. Have any of you Farkers used Chantix to quit? What's the scoop? $165 a month is more than I spend on cigarettes in a month, but worth it if I can walk away from those coffin nails for good (saving about $1,200 per year in the long run).

[www.wired.com image 500x333]


I tried Chantix, but decided it was more dangerous than smokes in the end. I was working in foundries, factories, etc and found that not knowing if I was asleep or awake was kinda hazardous. It seriously messed with my sleep/dreams so that I was never 100% sure if I was asleep or awake.
 
2012-04-23 05:02:31 PM  

kim jong-un: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

How about a trade that doesn't fark over other people's life choices? Every time you buy a pack, hire a guy to yell at you for 12 hours. I bet you quit smoking earlier.


Too much effort.
 
2012-04-23 05:10:38 PM  
Old: Smuggling cannabis into New Zealand.

New: Smuggling cigs into New Zealand.
 
2012-04-23 05:12:39 PM  

scarmig: Why not just pull the collective stick out of our asses, relax, and leave people alone.


Never happen.

/not ever
 
2012-04-23 05:18:57 PM  
just illegalize them. you know you want to. same with alcohol. just make them illegal. then introduce an individual prayer mandate. quit beating around the bush and just force your lifestyle on us.
 
2012-04-23 05:30:48 PM  

wolfzr2: People rationalizing smoking by comparing it to a Big Mac are farkin delusional.

No one ever got second-hand fat.

No one even burned down an entire apartment complex because they fell asleep eating fries.

fark you smokers.


No, but leaving the Sunday joint cooking all night into Thursday makes quite a mess.
 
2012-04-23 05:44:28 PM  
Oh please, please, pretty please with Heineken on it, Please do that in Amerika!

I handle a boat really well, and there are some places on the Florida Keys only the Devil and I know about!
 
2012-04-23 05:53:14 PM  
On day 9 of cold-turkey withdrawal from nicotine, so I am getting a kick about to STRIKE somebody.

However, there is an argument to be made that price increases do reduce smoking rates. There's always a small reduction in the number of smokers when taxes are hiked.

The reduction ought to be higher. I think part of the problem is that people don't sit down and figure out the math. They think, "Crap! Cigarettes just went up $1 a pack!" They don't think, "With my 3-pack-a-day habit, cigarettes just went up $1100 a year!" If your state announced a $92/mo tax on your iPhone, most of you would find another phone immediately.

I switched to ecigs 3 years ago and it was a painless change - zero withdrawal. I didn't save money on the deal, because cigs where I live cost about $7000/yr for a 3-pack a day habit. (about $6.40 incl. taxes for a pack). In NYC, I would have saved money.

But that is not my point. My point is that I moseyed along happy to buy in small lots every month - I had free shipping and great discounts. I really enjoyed getting everything cleaned and no longer stinking of smoke. I've forgotten what an overflowing ashtray looks like. I lost that cough. Smoking costs a lot more than the price of a pack.

Then in January I looked at my year-end Amex summary for 2011, and I had paid $8000 to the e-cig supplier. They were my biggest merchant by far. I felt as dumb as I'm typically accused of being on this site. $8,000 just gone because I didn't look at what I was spending and because even when I suspected it, it was easier to "think about quitting the batch after next, because I'm just so stressed now."

tl;dr. Sorry. But if you got this far, and you smoke, use your noggin. Quit. I know some people find it easy. I find it incredibly difficult and painful (I have scratched off a lot of the skin on my left arm trying to distract my nerves). I can tell you today, day 9, was much easier than day 1. I'm still thinking about it all the time, but I'm not thinking of killing myself.

I have three things taped to the top of my monitor.

On the left: Myroop789: This is a test. Don't smoke. If you pass this test, future tests will be easier.Take a series of long, slow, deep breaths and go for a little walk. You'll feel better in about 15 minutes.

In the center, $7893.70.

On the right, Doglover: Cravings are unbearable, until they are bearable. Nicotine withdrawal will not kill you.

The same three things are on my fridge door.

Ms. Roop and Mr. Dog are wise and kind people. Well, they were on that one post anyway!
 
2012-04-23 06:14:47 PM  
Perducci:

There are, however, only two reasons to smoke:
1. The person smoking thinks they look cool.
2. The person smoking is an addict and actually believes that it provides them with pleasure.
Neither of these comes even close to the level of utility or necessity associated with transporting goods or people, or generating electricity.

Apologies, Perducci, if you are not the author of the preceding two statements. I got tangled up in the thread. The statements are asinine and ill-informed.

There was a time when smoking was cool. Before even I was born. When I was a teen in the 70s, some of us thought it made us look older if we smoked. That's how young we were, we wanted to look older.

I was soon rid of that idea by the boys I dated who didn't smoke. One guy gave me the memorable put-down - he probably read it somewhere else - "when you see a pretty girl and then you see her light a cigarette, it's like seeing a pretty girl smile and display rotted teeth." My ex, who was hoping to convey a message and still have a sex life, told me, "Hey, I don't mean to be harsh, but when I look at guys who smoke, I think "loser". Now, (backpedals rapidly), of course I don't think of YOU as a loser. But I'm concerned that other people might think of you that way...." I haven't thought smoking was cool for 25 years.

And you have no idea of how an addict lives. No addict believes the product they are using gives them pleasure. It gives them absence of pain.
 
2012-04-23 06:19:11 PM  

wolfzr2: People rationalizing smoking by comparing it to a Big Mac are farkin delusional.

No one ever got second-hand fat.

No one even burned down an entire apartment complex because they fell asleep eating fries.

fark you smokers.


You're missing the point. The gubmint doesn't tax the bejesus out of cigs because of second hand smoke or house fires. House fires are rare and the fact that you're basically not allowed to smoke anywhere takes care of second hand smoke. Cigs are taxed to hell because, ostensibly, the gubmint wants everyone to stop smoking because it's bad for your personal health.

Fast food is also very, very bad for your personal health. So is being fat. See where I'm going?

Plus there is the danger of second-hand fat, where someone morbidly obese falls on you and crushes you like a bug. ;)
 
2012-04-23 06:30:12 PM  

brantgoose: I tend to side with modern psychological studies which suggest that there is no such think as "Will Power". There is only "Won't Power". To resist temptation, you need a distraction. You can to some extent negotiate with yourself, but the strongest technique to resist any impulse is another impluse (Freud and Neitzsche both hit on the idea of the mind as a republic of impulses separately, although they did share a groupie).


That's one way of dealing with things. Impulses, desires, and subsequent addictions are a consequence of our inability to tolerate our life as it is in a given moment. If we can find a way to better embrace everything as it stands, there's less need to replace one impulse with another.

/mindfulness meditation is helpful in this regard.
 
2012-04-23 06:32:58 PM  
Because New Zeland gangsters desperately need a new racket.
 
2012-04-23 06:41:49 PM  

Steve Zodiac: netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.

Prove that statement with peer reviewed studies.

I peer reviewed this and it's true.
 
2012-04-23 07:00:25 PM  

ElizaDoolittle: No addict believes the product they are using gives them pleasure. It gives them absence of pain.


Hmpf. Sorry, but it can be fine kicking back on the deck with a big briar and some Irish whiskey during one of those nice early fall sundowns when it's almost cool enough to be nippy, and watching the herons skim out over the lake.

Also not too bad to get a nice dip of Copenhagen while you're fly fishing next morning.

/I like coffee too
 
2012-04-23 07:07:19 PM  
You know who else hated smoking?

Fight Fascism, Smoke, drink, do drugs, and eat meat.
 
2012-04-23 07:29:26 PM  
www.zikwid.com

About $100-$200 per year. And superior in every way.
 
2012-04-23 07:42:21 PM  

wolfzr2: No one ever got second-hand fat.


Been commercially flying lately?
 
2012-04-23 07:57:18 PM  

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


I read this as this" because I am a weak willed person, please government jump in and save me"

//not a smoker
 
2012-04-23 08:03:58 PM  

caddisfly: I'm thinking about trying Chantix to quit. I've smoked on and off for 20 years, usually only in the evenings and only when I drink beer. I've heard that Chantix cuts both your cravings for nicotine and alcohol. Have any of you Farkers used Chantix to quit? What's the scoop? $165 a month is more than I spend on cigarettes in a month, but worth it if I can walk away from those coffin nails for good (saving about $1,200 per year in the long run).


A friend of mine tried Chantix, and it was working but his doctor took him off it. The problem was that he experienced all of the side effects... it was essentially an unpleasant psychoactive causing him to have wild mood swings, violent thoughts (and he's a pacifist), and vivid, strange dreams. When he became severely depressed and suicidal, he finally stopped taking it and went back to smoking. He eventually quit cold turkey and has been smoke free for more than a year.

It took 4 tries for me to quit completely. I used patches, which worked very well, but near-constant exposure to other people smoking broke me down after a year. I quit again cold turkey twice, followed by stress related relapses. Finally, I quit for good in advance of a big hiking trip, and I haven't looked back. More than a decade of pack a day smoking, and I can finally say I no longer desire one at all. The single remnant I still have is an oral fixation, which I handle with toothpicks (my dentist agrees it's a good habit to replace smoking with).

Quitting smoking is a complex challenge with a lot of different aspects, and no solution will work for everyone. If you've tried other things, Chantix is worth a shot. Patches, gum, exercise and other strategies are all worth trying. You still have to commit to quitting, and that means breaking long held habits, avoiding temptation and replacing activities that make you think of smoking with anything else. No other endeavour you can take on in your life right now is as challenging or rewarding as quitting. Let people know you're serious about quitting, avoid saboteurs or "easy" ways out. Reward your efforts to quit with whatever motivates you. You can make it happen.
 
2012-04-23 08:09:46 PM  
This was just a think tank style proposal. I can't ever see this going into law here.
 
2012-04-23 08:14:06 PM  

osafer: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

I read this as this" because I am a weak willed person, please government jump in and save me"

//not a smoker



It was more like, "I'll take all the help I can get."
 
2012-04-23 08:25:20 PM  

cmunic8r99: osafer: cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.

I read this as this" because I am a weak willed person, please government jump in and save me"

//not a smoker


It was more like, "I'll take all the help I can get."


Just quit if you want to... Let everyone else buy their cheap cigs...
 
2012-04-23 09:39:30 PM  

wolfzr2: People rationalizing smoking by comparing it to a Big Mac are farkin delusional.

No one ever got second-hand fat.

No one even burned down an entire apartment complex because they fell asleep eating fries.

fark you smokers.


The rest of us just have to pay for the fatties' diabetes, heart disease, and mobility scooters. Plus you drive up the price of fabric.

Fark you fatties.
 
2012-04-23 10:49:20 PM  

Undulation: caddisfly: I'm thinking about trying Chantix to quit. I've smoked on and off for 20 years, usually only in the evenings and only when I drink beer. I've heard that Chantix cuts both your cravings for nicotine and alcohol. Have any of you Farkers used Chantix to quit? What's the scoop? $165 a month is more than I spend on cigarettes in a month, but worth it if I can walk away from those coffin nails for good (saving about $1,200 per year in the long run).

A friend of mine tried Chantix, and it was working but his doctor took him off it. The problem was that he experienced all of the side effects... it was essentially an unpleasant psychoactive causing him to have wild mood swings, violent thoughts (and he's a pacifist), and vivid, strange dreams. When he became severely depressed and suicidal, he finally stopped taking it and went back to smoking. He eventually quit cold turkey and has been smoke free for more than a year.

It took 4 tries for me to quit completely. I used patches, which worked very well, but near-constant exposure to other people smoking broke me down after a year. I quit again cold turkey twice, followed by stress related relapses. Finally, I quit for good in advance of a big hiking trip, and I haven't looked back. More than a decade of pack a day smoking, and I can finally say I no longer desire one at all. The single remnant I still have is an oral fixation, which I handle with toothpicks (my dentist agrees it's a good habit to replace smoking with).

Quitting smoking is a complex challenge with a lot of different aspects, and no solution will work for everyone. If you've tried other things, Chantix is worth a shot. Patches, gum, exercise and other strategies are all worth trying. You still have to commit to quitting, and that means breaking long held habits, avoiding temptation and replacing activities that make you think of smoking with anything else. No other endeavour you can take on in your life right now is as challenging or rewarding ...


Thanks for that!! A little compassion in a sea of snark goes a long way. I have tried nicotine gum and all it did was give me something to chew on while at work or in airports. Looks like I'll give Chantix a shot but be cognizant of its risks and contraindications.
 
2012-04-23 11:21:32 PM  

tommydee: Plus you drive up the price of fabric.


Well, that's one of the more ... unique ... complaints I've ever heard about fat people. Are you an old lady with a quilting hobby, or a gay fashion designer?
 
2012-04-23 11:55:38 PM  
Huge prices on addictive substances just encourages crime.
 
2012-04-24 12:20:56 AM  
More than 200 posts and no one's pointed out that this kind of retarded price control invariably results in a free black market supply of the product?

i863.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-24 05:42:28 AM  

netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.


Hahahaha... Wow. Okay.
 
2012-04-24 08:44:41 AM  
Considering in 2006 I paid about 13.00NZ/pack (I asked for a cheap brand, though) while on an overseas trip, 100.00NZ seems like a pretty steep jump. JM2C.

Hey! Did you know that Holiday brand cigs have 25 smokes per pack? Weird!
 
2012-04-24 10:40:04 AM  
If you are addicted you are going to get it, most likely.

I do not understand why we don't do the same for Happy Meals, Trips to the Buffet etc.

Take a look at any store in the USA these days, see the fat asses on all the people and tell me we don't need to make FOOD harder to get....
 
2012-04-24 12:54:16 PM  
Lots of smokers deflecting in here.
So if I understand correctly, it's okay to smoke because... look at what those people are doing?
The only problem I see is healthcare. I don't want your smoking/fat self to drive up health costs because you can't make a good decision.
Leave fast foods/cigs cheap. Just make them pay out of pocket for all of the health related issues, or deny care.
In the absence of that I think that trying to force your dumbass to make a good decision is appropriate, when it affects society.
If you want to live in a cabin in the woods and smoke/eat yourself to death, have at it.
No one teaches their kids to over-eat/smoke, because it is a poor decision.
But don't try to condone one with the other.
This article deals with smoking.
When the article comes up dealing with fast food, we can let the fatties have it.
But man-up and accept that smoking is an ignorant choice, with a great many downsides and no upside.
 
2012-04-25 07:29:28 AM  

Terrible Old Man: netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.

Hahahaha... Wow. Okay.


Well if you take into account that Heart Disease is the number one killer (not cancer by a long shot even though they try to make you think that) and obesity leads to HD, he has a point
 
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