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(Newser)   While the US has been trying to disgust smokers into giving up tobacco, New Zealand has been considering a more direct idea: raising the price of cigarettes to $100 a pack   (newser.com) divider line 209
    More: Interesting, New Zealand, Prime Minister John Key, tobacco, cigarettes  
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2012-04-23 12:08:59 PM
Don't give Scumbama any bright ideas.
 
2012-04-23 12:24:53 PM
FFS, Why don't just declare them illegal? Do they think there's going to be less of a black market if they just slap a ludicrous price tag on them?
 
2012-04-23 12:43:23 PM
How much is that in Sheep?
 
2012-04-23 12:44:50 PM
It's a good thing they don't have a black market there.
 
2012-04-23 12:52:13 PM
It is at least a bit harder to get black market in New Zealand, it being an island and all.

Western Europe could never ban anything outright effectively thanks to Eastern Europe.
 
2012-04-23 01:35:25 PM
But, 3 News adds, Prime Minister John Key is concerned that higher prices may simply encourage a black lung market.
 
2012-04-23 01:36:12 PM
I don't smoke cigarettes, but damn it so much that's just crazy.
 
2012-04-23 01:37:37 PM
Oh just get over it. I smoke, its my choice. I don't smoke in restaurants- its banned, and I'm fine with stepping outside. I don't smoke in my house when guests who don't like smoke are here.
 
2012-04-23 02:01:32 PM
I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.
 
2012-04-23 02:02:07 PM
^the
 
2012-04-23 02:10:44 PM

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


Let's be honest. Odds are, you'd then just end up buying them from some guy who has a hydro farm in his basement.
 
2012-04-23 02:10:54 PM
Oh my god. Really?

That's ridiculous and idiotic.
 
2012-04-23 02:11:20 PM
Because creating black markets has worked so well for other drugs?
 
2012-04-23 02:11:54 PM
They should raise the price slowly so that black market cigarettes don't just take over.

At $100 a pop, they'd be a huge black market for them, with even worse ingredients if that's possible. I suppose NZ can control imports better than most, but not completely.
 
2012-04-23 02:11:56 PM
If they tried that here, Mexico would benefit from a sudden flourish in their tobacco industry feeding our black market. It might even save their damned country, until we pressure them into making tobacco illegal to grow.
 
2012-04-23 02:12:46 PM
Much like Norway then.
 
2012-04-23 02:13:24 PM
And gee, I'll bet that there won't be any organized crime syndicates hauling smokes over from Australia, right? Way to go New Zealand, Auckland will look like Chicago in the 1920's.
 
2012-04-23 02:13:41 PM
anyone mention creating a black market?
 
2012-04-23 02:13:43 PM

cmunic8r99: I'm a smoker, and I'd be OK with making them $100 per pack. That cost would be just motivator that's never been significant (enough) to make me quit once and for all.


When I was a kid I remember my dad freaking out because they went up to 75c a pack and vowing to quit if they ever reached a dollar. Long story short he died a few years ago with a 3 pack a day habit, around 4 bucks a pack. Waiting for the cost to help you quit is a no winner.

/5yrs smoke free last March.
 
2012-04-23 02:13:49 PM
Yep it it a really great idea for the Government to try to control a vice. History has shown this to have been a complete success with alcohol, marijuana and other elicit drugs in the US.

As soon as governments realize the the attempted control of any vice will lead to nothing but violent crime we will all be better off. Be it drugs or prostitution or other vice there has never been a successful implementation of a prohibition but it sure has made many pimps and drug gangs rich.
 
2012-04-23 02:14:19 PM
It would never happen in the USA, we make far too much money off the taxes to ever consider banning or effectively banning tobacco.
 
2012-04-23 02:14:27 PM
Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.
 
2012-04-23 02:14:31 PM
This is what happens when politicians don't read much history.
 
2012-04-23 02:15:39 PM

Teknowaffle: It is at least a bit harder to get black market in New Zealand, it being an island and all.


It's a good think that cigarette cartons don't fit into shipping containers or aircraft cargo holds...
 
2012-04-23 02:16:10 PM
Actually the officials said $100 was ridiculous and settled on a more reasonable $60 a pack.

although officials admit it is "probably unrealistic." The plan seen as the most likely would make a pack of cigarettes a still-sizable $60
 
2012-04-23 02:16:19 PM
why not just make cigarettes more powerful? less smoking because you got more nicotine in your system
 
2012-04-23 02:17:22 PM
That's retarded.
 
2012-04-23 02:17:30 PM
$100 a pack?

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Pffft! This is how I roll, biatches

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This farking Cristal is room temperature!
 
2012-04-23 02:17:31 PM
Wait, what will they do after having sex with the sheeps if they can't smoke anymore?
 
2012-04-23 02:17:36 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-23 02:17:40 PM
Is it obviously not unrealistic to expouse unrealistic plans.
But, to what realistic point?

Come on Congress, give therestofus a chance and bring back prohibition of ETOH.

We NEED more Brazillionares.
 
2012-04-23 02:17:42 PM
An idea that is sure to work! History is rife with examples of governments successfully controlling the market for stuff via restrictive legislation or artificially high prices!
 
2012-04-23 02:17:42 PM
The black market rubs its hands in anticipation.

And it's New Zealand! It's not like someone can't grow tobacco themselves.
 
2012-04-23 02:18:16 PM
Any Māori reservations available with tax-free smokes?
 
2012-04-23 02:18:20 PM
Congrats on such a great idea. We can make smoking a luxury for the rich and create violence over contraband cigarettes. Brilliant!

/non-smoker
//if I don't have to breathe your smoke, I don't care what you do
 
2012-04-23 02:18:29 PM
Then killing someone for a cigarette won't seem as egregious as it does now.
 
2012-04-23 02:19:02 PM
I wish it were that simple that you could tax it away or whatever. Making them illegal won't work, taxing them to death won't work, but it will create other problems. Some problems from their inception are Pandora's Box. Good luck with fixing that.
 
2012-04-23 02:19:10 PM
Canada tried this back in the 90s. It didn't end well.

/you can only tax people so much before they cheat
 
2012-04-23 02:19:17 PM
cigarchronicles.com
 
2012-04-23 02:19:19 PM

debug: It would never happen in the USA, we make far too much money off the taxes to ever consider banning or effectively banning tobacco.


No such thing as an effective ban on anything. It just creates a black market.
 
2012-04-23 02:19:47 PM
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Approves of raising the price of cigarettes to $100 a pack
 
2012-04-23 02:19:57 PM

AeAe: anyone mention creating a black market?


Das raysisst.
 
2012-04-23 02:20:09 PM
 
2012-04-23 02:20:31 PM

chiefsfaninkc: Yep it it a really great idea for the Government to try to control a vice. History has shown this to have been a complete success with alcohol, marijuana and other elicit drugs in the US.

As soon as governments realize the the attempted control of any vice will lead to nothing but violent crime we will all be better off. Be it drugs or prostitution or other vice there has never been a successful implementation of a prohibition but it sure has made many pimps and drug gangs rich.


Pretty much. Just makes it all legal to buy/use at a certain age, but illegal to use while operating machinery and then put the enforcement money into free rehab and education programs. We would all be better off.

And for the record businesses could still drug test even if it is legal. I worked for a company that did not allow tobacco smoking or alcohol of any kind (on or off work) and required weekly drug tests. Yeah...I didn't last there long.
 
2012-04-23 02:21:30 PM
New Zealand is much more disgusting than the US, Subby. They've got graphic pictures on their cigarette packs of dead babies and tumors.

/roll your own and buy bulk, unprocessed tobacco
 
2012-04-23 02:23:30 PM

hailin: And for the record businesses could still drug test even if it is legal. I worked for a company that did not allow tobacco smoking or alcohol of any kind (on or off work) and required weekly drug tests. Yeah...I didn't last there long.


Who would work for a company that thought it was ok to interfere in a person's private life this much? Seriously? A job offer from a company with this attitude should get the standard response of, "go fark yourself".
 
2012-04-23 02:23:48 PM

jeblis: Because creating black markets has worked so well for other drugs?


My thoughts exactly. New York is spending a great deal of money to police against tobacco smuggling efforts. I suspect that it will eventually cost more than the extra tax revenue they bring in.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:18 PM

netweavr: Eating fast food is worse than smoking tobacco.


Prove that statement with peer reviewed studies.
 
2012-04-23 02:24:21 PM
The convenience stores here have started stocking Swedish Snus. Pasteurized instead of fermented and fire-dried. Far less cancer-causing compounds, awesome taste and cheaper than Skoal. I don't see myself quitting anytime soon, but I'm glad to have found something far less damaging to my body and wallet.
/$20 / day when chewing Skoal
/$4 / day chewing Snus
 
2012-04-23 02:24:23 PM

TimonC346: I wish it were that simple that you could tax it away or whatever. Making them illegal won't work, taxing them to death won't work, but it will create other problems. Some problems from their inception are Pandora's Box. Good luck with fixing that.


The purpose of taxation is not to control behavior or to make things fair it to generate funds for the government to fund it legal responsibilities.

// not a smoker but I don't care what you do to your self
 
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