AverageJoe77: Diogenes: They might want to rethink that position and put on their big boy and girl pants. The Tea Party is yesterday's news and their influence is diminishing. People have realized since 2010 that their efforts were nothing but obstructionist and as a result nothing has been accomplished in Congress. And instead of having results to show in 2012, they have agenda for women and the poor that resembles 1412.

Sadly, there are people who believe those ARE accomplishments. Far more believe blocking anything Democrats propose is a fine accomplishment as well.

That's a bit of a Cannard though. They refuse to negotiate, which is one thing in itself, but the budget is going to pass. It's going to pass on time, or late but it's not going to not pass ever and if you refuse to sit at the negotiation table you aren't going to have a say in it.

That might be a victory one year, but voters are going to catch on eventually, that they used to get funds and services, but suddenly they don't have money to pay for their roads and schools anymore.

Obama's top campaign strategist also says our economy is starting to turn around....so who are you to believe?

karnal: Obama's top campaign strategist also says our economy is starting to turn around....so who are you to believe?

Obama's top campaign strategist?

EWreckedSean: ...but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.


Poor thing. Having to read all those pages! Why, I nearly caught the vapors! Should we have waited for the Republicans to propose health care reform? When were they going to do that? It sure as fark wasn't when they controlled all three branches of the government.



biatch all you want. At least something got done. Oh, and it's paid for, too. Unlike Part D.

EWreckedSean: BLeap: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.

Shockingly, they said no to a bill they were all but shut out of writing. Shockingly. There were some brief conversations with Grassley right in the beginning, but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.

Can't remember all the details anymore and I have work to do so I can't research them. But why not try to work to make it better? If you think the existing bill is hopeless why not write your own counter proposal and work toward a third bill which implements aspects of both? We didn't elect them to sit up there saying no to everything, we elected them to try and fix the nation's problems.

Lumpmoose: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Bull. Shiat. Obama has tried to reconcile and compromise throughout his entire first term until he recently realized it's hopeless. The only reason Obamacare was a fight between progressives and Blue Dogs was because Republicans shut THEMSELVES out of the debate and the Dems had to corral their entire 60 vote caucus. In the end, they still passed the most conservative, Heritage Foundation/Bob Dole/90s Senate Republicans/Romney-endorsed plan possible.

Why the fark is the Senate not allowed to open debates on legislation anymore?

They didn't lock themselves out, they were locked out. And god is that a tired talking point. Because some Republicans proposed a 50 page healthcare plan in the 1990s that included an individual mandate doesn't remotely mean it is the same thing as that 2700 page turd that passed.

The individual mandate is the linchpin of the entire plan. Even the SCOTUS was flummoxed when they discussed how to pull it without breaking everything. If there is no more conservative method to reform and fix health care th ...

Lynch pin or not, it doesn't change the fact that the 50 page proposal in the 90s is not in any way, shape or form the 2700 page bill that was passed.

Lumpmoose: For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that?

Possibly he doesn't believe it, but is instead engaging in that excellent new tactic of trolling the GOP in order to make them overreact.

"Axelrod just said that some of us were secretly wanting to work with Obama!"
"What?! We must find them and destroy them!"

BLeap: EWreckedSean: BLeap: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.

Shockingly, they said no to a bill they were all but shut out of writing. Shockingly. There were some brief conversations with Grassley right in the beginning, but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.

Can't remember all the details anymore and I have work to do so I can't research them. But why not try to work to make it better? If you think the existing bill is hopeless why not write your own counter proposal and work toward a third bill which implements aspects of both? We didn't elect them to sit up there saying no to everything, we elected them to try and fix the nation's problems.

That assumes the solutions is more laws. Laws tend to benefit two groups. The wealthy and the special interests.

EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Bull. Shiat. Obama has tried to reconcile and compromise throughout his entire first term until he recently realized it's hopeless. The only reason Obamacare was a fight between progressives and Blue Dogs was because Republicans shut THEMSELVES out of the debate and the Dems had to corral their entire 60 vote caucus. In the end, they still passed the most conservative, Heritage Foundation/Bob Dole/90s Senate Republicans/Romney-endorsed plan possible.

Why the fark is the Senate not allowed to open debates on legislation anymore?

They didn't lock themselves out, they were locked out. And god is that a tired talking point. Because some Republicans proposed a 50 page healthcare plan in the 1990s that included an individual mandate doesn't remotely mean it is the same thing as that 2700 page turd that passed.

The individual mandate is the linchpin of the entire plan. Even the SCOTUS was flummoxed when they discussed how to pull it without breaking everything. If there is no more conservative method to reform and fix hea ...

Please, enlighten us as to the key differences, preferably with a focus on how the individual mandate as proposed in the 90s differs from the one enacted in the PPACA.

Soup4Bonnie: EWreckedSean: ...but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.


Poor thing. Having to read all those pages! Why, I nearly caught the vapors! Should we have waited for the Republicans to propose health care reform? When were they going to do that? It sure as fark wasn't when they controlled all three branches of the government.

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biatch all you want. At least something got done. Oh, and it's paid for, too. Unlike Part D.

I think it is cute that you actually believe doing something is always better than doing nothing. Passing a bad law doesn't improve anything. And by the way, Republicans have proposed healthcare reform. Just because you have your head in the sad and missed it isn't anybody's fault but your own.

mrshowrules


karnal: Obama's top campaign strategist also says our economy is starting to turn around....so who are you to believe?

the guy who said that I guess. What is your point?


That most of us live and learn, but you just live.

EWreckedSean: Soup4Bonnie: EWreckedSean: ...but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.


Poor thing. Having to read all those pages! Why, I nearly caught the vapors! Should we have waited for the Republicans to propose health care reform? When were they going to do that? It sure as fark wasn't when they controlled all three branches of the government.

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biatch all you want. At least something got done. Oh, and it's paid for, too. Unlike Part D.

I think it is cute that you actually believe doing something is always better than doing nothing. Passing a bad law doesn't improve anything. And by the way, Republicans have proposed healthcare reform. Just because you have your head in the sad and missed it isn't anybody's fault but your own.

When doing nothing is the root of the problem, continuing to do nothing is not a solution.

What was the Republican health care reform proposal?

xiaodown: Lumpmoose: For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

Not even really then, cause Teddy Kennedy was in the hospital for most of it.

I honestly can't remember a single bill that got passed with a 60-vote supermajority without any Republicans.

That's the price of free will: sometimes people within your party disagree with you.

/I pay the price gladly.

Lumpmoose: Obamacare was the big one. The Senate had 60 Democrats, if you include Lieberman, Sanders and Paul Kirk, Kennedy's vacancy appointment.

Never count Lieberman. He's a member of the Lieberman party.

House minority whip? Why would republicans be afraid of Hoyer?

This is likely true. More than once Boehner's negotiations with the Executive have been crippled by Cantor's whiny meddling. It's really not all that astounding an observation if you've been paying any attention to what its likely the most harmful House in our history.

PanicMan: theorellior: Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?

Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations. And you know Cantor's fingering a knife in his pocket just itching to sink it to the hilt.

I bet there's a real Game of Thrones going on in the Republican party. And Boehner is Ned Stark.

I resent that.

Yep and rabbits want to work with coyotes.

qorkfiend: ...What was the Republican health care reform proposal?

Hurry up and die, I'm pretty sure.

EWreckedSean: Soup4Bonnie: EWreckedSean: ...but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.


Poor thing. Having to read all those pages! Why, I nearly caught the vapors! Should we have waited for the Republicans to propose health care reform? When were they going to do that? It sure as fark wasn't when they controlled all three branches of the government.

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biatch all you want. At least something got done. Oh, and it's paid for, too. Unlike Part D.

I think it is cute that you actually believe doing something is always better than doing nothing. Passing a bad law doesn't improve anything. And by the way, Republicans have proposed healthcare reform. Just because you have your head in the sad and missed it isn't anybody's fault but your own.

Are we at this part of your shtick already? The part where you start placing yourself above all the children who aren't as enlightened as you? That didn't take long.