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2012-04-23 09:44:51 AM
The Tea Party fires back at Axelrod's claims of a Reign of Terror, pointing out that there isn't a cloud in the sky.
 
2012-04-23 09:55:24 AM

Mentat: The Tea Party fires back at Axelrod's claims of a Reign of Terror, pointing out that there isn't a cloud in the sky.


Pity your poor victimized Republican Terree!
 
2012-04-23 10:06:16 AM
He is probably right.
 
2012-04-23 10:25:16 AM
On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.
 
2012-04-23 10:25:50 AM
They might want to rethink that position and put on their big boy and girl pants. The Tea Party is yesterday's news and their influence is diminishing. People have realized since 2010 that their efforts were nothing but obstructionist and as a result nothing has been accomplished in Congress. And instead of having results to show in 2012, they have agenda for women and the poor that resembles 1412.
 
2012-04-23 10:50:05 AM

Lumpmoose: For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.


Not even really then, cause Teddy Kennedy was in the hospital for most of it.

I honestly can't remember a single bill that got passed with a 60-vote supermajority without any Republicans.
 
2012-04-23 10:57:29 AM

Diogenes: People have realized since 2010 that their efforts were nothing but obstructionist.


People with money, perhaps, but the "grassroots" people that got lured into the Tea Parties, I'm not sure they realized anything of the sort.

The GOP will slowly - give it one or two election cycles - go back to being the party of Big Business. Whether a third option comes out of it, like I initially expected, or whether the Teahadists go back to being bitter and clinging to their guns and religion, remains to be seen.
 
2012-04-23 11:00:39 AM

xiaodown: Lumpmoose: For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

Not even really then, cause Teddy Kennedy was in the hospital for most of it.

I honestly can't remember a single bill that got passed with a 60-vote supermajority without any Republicans.


Obamacare was the big one. The Senate had 60 Democrats, if you include Lieberman, Sanders and Paul Kirk, Kennedy's vacancy appointment.
 
2012-04-23 11:39:07 AM
FTFA: "When he does, I think people are going to judge them for what they are, which is backward-looking and a repeat of what got us into this mess in the first place," he added.

Translation: Bububububt BUSH!!!
 
2012-04-23 12:30:45 PM

Diogenes: They might want to rethink that position and put on their big boy and girl pants. The Tea Party is yesterday's news and their influence is diminishing. People have realized since 2010 that their efforts were nothing but obstructionist and as a result nothing has been accomplished in Congress. And instead of having results to show in 2012, they have agenda for women and the poor that resembles 1412.


I don't think votes are what they are worried about. I think it has to do with pissing off a mob of folks who take Ted Nugent seriously.
 
2012-04-23 12:39:49 PM

Lumpmoose: xiaodown: Lumpmoose: For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

Not even really then, cause Teddy Kennedy was in the hospital for most of it.

I honestly can't remember a single bill that got passed with a 60-vote supermajority without any Republicans.

Obamacare was the big one. The Senate had 60 Democrats, if you include Lieberman, Sanders and Paul Kirk, Kennedy's vacancy appointment.


I wouldn't lump Lieberman into that group -- unless it had direct benefits to Israel.
 
2012-04-23 12:57:15 PM

Flab: Diogenes: People have realized since 2010 that their efforts were nothing but obstructionist.

People with money, perhaps, but the "grassroots" people that got lured into the Tea Parties, I'm not sure they realized anything of the sort.

The GOP will slowly - give it one or two election cycles - go back to being the party of Big Business. Whether a third option comes out of it, like I initially expected, or whether the Teahadists go back to being bitter and clinging to their guns and religion, remains to be seen.


Go back to being the party of big business? When did they ever stop being the party of big business?
 
2012-04-23 12:58:18 PM
But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?
 
2012-04-23 12:59:24 PM
Why are they afraid of Steny Hoyer?
 
2012-04-23 01:03:12 PM

Diogenes: They might want to rethink that position and put on their big boy and girl pants. The Tea Party is yesterday's news and their influence is diminishing. People have realized since 2010 that their efforts were nothing but obstructionist and as a result nothing has been accomplished in Congress. And instead of having results to show in 2012, they have agenda for women and the poor that resembles 1412.


Sadly, there are people who believe those ARE accomplishments. Far more believe blocking anything Democrats propose is a fine accomplishment as well.
 
2012-04-23 01:03:17 PM

Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?


Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations. And you know Cantor's fingering a knife in his pocket just itching to sink it to the hilt.
 
2012-04-23 01:04:05 PM
Sometimes I think the only way this country will fix its problems is with a revolution. There are a ton of parallels between our current state of affairs and France in the 1780s as it is.

Not that I want people to die, of course.
 
2012-04-23 01:05:43 PM

Lumpmoose: xiaodown: Lumpmoose: For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

Not even really then, cause Teddy Kennedy was in the hospital for most of it.

I honestly can't remember a single bill that got passed with a 60-vote supermajority without any Republicans.

Obamacare was the big one. The Senate had 60 Democrats, if you include Lieberman, Sanders and Paul Kirk, Kennedy's vacancy appointment.


I thought the Democrats used budget reconciliation to pass the the reconciled PPACA, bypassing the filibuster and its accompanying cloture vote?
 
2012-04-23 01:06:09 PM

theorellior: Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?

Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations.


Or maybe he's been handed a tea party shiat sandwich and doesn't know what to do with it. It doesn't mean any other majority leader would have done any better.
 
2012-04-23 01:06:24 PM

theorellior: Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?

Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations. And you know Cantor's fingering a knife in his pocket just itching to sink it to the hilt.


Cantor is the Majority Leader.
 
2012-04-23 01:06:35 PM
The current Republican party is easily the greatest threat America has ever faced. It's made up of nothing but plutocrats, theocrats, and loonies.
 
2012-04-23 01:08:02 PM

OneTimed: The current Republican party is easily the greatest threat America has ever faced. It's made up of nothing but plutocrats, theocrats, and loonies.


3.bp.blogspot.com

They already have a party of their own.
 
2012-04-23 01:13:39 PM

Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.


Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?
 
2012-04-23 01:16:11 PM

qorkfiend: Lumpmoose: xiaodown: Lumpmoose: For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

Not even really then, cause Teddy Kennedy was in the hospital for most of it.

I honestly can't remember a single bill that got passed with a 60-vote supermajority without any Republicans.

Obamacare was the big one. The Senate had 60 Democrats, if you include Lieberman, Sanders and Paul Kirk, Kennedy's vacancy appointment.

I thought the Democrats used budget reconciliation to pass the the reconciled PPACA, bypassing the filibuster and its accompanying cloture vote?


I linked to the wrong one. There was a cloture vote the day before: http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_ c fm.cfm?congress=111&session=1&vote=00395

Regardless, the Senate's 50+1 tradition is now critically endangered.
 
2012-04-23 01:16:16 PM

theorellior: Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?

Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations. And you know Cantor's fingering a knife in his pocket just itching to sink it to the hilt.


I bet there's a real Game of Thrones going on in the Republican party. And Boehner is Ned Stark.
 
2012-04-23 01:16:31 PM

theorellior: Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?

Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations. And you know Cantor's fingering a knife in his pocket just itching to sink it to the hilt.


I think Cantor's very happy to wield all the actual power and not be the public face of the Republicans.
 
2012-04-23 01:17:20 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Or maybe he's been handed a tea party shiat sandwich and doesn't know what to do with it. It doesn't mean any other majority leader would have done any better.


Boehner's been dealt a bad hand, but he keeps playing pinochle instead of poker. Several times he's brought bills up for vote and gotten blindsided by his own caucus. That's just dumb. People can rail all they want about Nancy Pelosi, but she always made sure she had her caucus well in hand before she went to the House floor.
 
2012-04-23 01:17:30 PM
About the only "sad" thing about that headline is the fact that Obama's people are actually delusional enough to believe such tripe.
 
2012-04-23 01:18:02 PM
"Obama's top campaign strategist says that he thinks fantasizes that many Republicans want to work with the president but they are too afraid of House Minority Whip Robespierre and Senate Minority Leader Saint-Just loosing their seats for further bankrupting the country to do so.

/Paul Harvey
 
2012-04-23 01:18:26 PM

EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?


Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.
 
2012-04-23 01:18:29 PM

PanicMan: theorellior: Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?

Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations. And you know Cantor's fingering a knife in his pocket just itching to sink it to the hilt.

I bet there's a real Game of Thrones going on in the Republican party. And Boehner is Ned Stark.


Some time ago, Grand Moff Joseph compared Boehner to William Wallace; betrayed by his own people, and then publicly disemboweled.
 
2012-04-23 01:19:00 PM
Pols in ivory towers should be careful about using references to the French Revolution.
 
2012-04-23 01:20:08 PM

BLeap: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.


I remember an oft-quoted exchange (possibly fictitious) between a pair of Democratic and Republican representatives when HCR was being debated.

Republican: "I'd like you to put X in the bill."
Democrat: "Sure, will you vote for it if I do?"
Republican: "You know I can't do that."
Democrat: "Why should I put it in the bill, then?"
 
2012-04-23 01:21:35 PM

PanicMan: theorellior: Lord_Baull: But no mention of being afraid of the House Majority leader, eh?

Boehner's probably the worst Majority Leader in generations. And you know Cantor's fingering a knife in his pocket just itching to sink it to the hilt.

I bet there's a real Game of Thrones going on in the Republican party. And Boehner is Ned Stark.


No, no that would require him to have been honorable at some point. It's more like Boehner was LittleFinger and thought he ran the place until The Imp showed up and demonstrated to him how badly outclassed he was. Or maybe Boehner was the leder Lannister and Cantor is Roose Bolton leading the Bloody Mummers. they SAY they are on your side, and are useful for keeping order sinc ethey are so terrifying but you are aware they will turn on you the moment you show weakness or fear.
 
2012-04-23 01:23:59 PM

qorkfiend: I think Cantor's very happy to wield all the actual power and not be the public face of the Republicans.


Cantor wants to be Speaker so bad he can taste it. He can't wait for that blue-collar, orange-skinned, Democrat-compromising dinosaur RINO from Ohio to shuffle off to retirement. And Boehner's gonna cling to the post with white-knuckled intensity to keep that up-jumped nouveau-riche beneficiary of crony nepotism from Virgina from taking his long-awaited crowning career achievement.
 
2012-04-23 01:24:10 PM
*Sticks head into politics tab*

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-04-23 01:24:58 PM

EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?


Bull. Shiat. Obama has tried to reconcile and compromise throughout his entire first term until he recently realized it's hopeless. The only reason Obamacare was a fight between progressives and Blue Dogs was because Republicans shut THEMSELVES out of the debate and the Dems had to corral their entire 60 vote caucus. In the end, they still passed the most conservative, Heritage Foundation/Bob Dole/90s Senate Republicans/Romney-endorsed plan possible.

Why the fark is the Senate not allowed to open debates on legislation anymore?
 
2012-04-23 01:25:56 PM

BLeap: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.


Shockingly, they said no to a bill they were all but shut out of writing. Shockingly. There were some brief conversations with Grassley right in the beginning, but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.
 
2012-04-23 01:26:50 PM

The_Sheriff_Is_A_Niiii: About the only "sad" thing about that headline is the fact that Obama's people are actually delusional enough to believe such tripe.


Ric Romero reports that politicians and their advisers don't actually believe everything they say, especially on TV.

Axelrod doesn't believe it, but it's a good way to show "hope" that things will improve while continuing with the true narrative that the GOP sucks big fat donkey dick in terms of being cooperative.
 
2012-04-23 01:27:02 PM

EWreckedSean: BLeap: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.

Shockingly, they said no to a bill they were all but shut out of writing. Shockingly. There were some brief conversations with Grassley right in the beginning, but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.


Republican: "I'd like you to put X in the bill."
Democrat: "Sure, will you vote for it if I do?"
Republican: "You know I can't do that."
Democrat: "Why should I put it in the bill, then?"
 
2012-04-23 01:27:43 PM

Lumpmoose: Why the fark is the Senate not allowed to open debates on legislation anymore?


Because the Republicans can just argue their side on Fox News 24/7. It is much more efficient than actually doing any legislative work.
 
2012-04-23 01:27:44 PM

Lumpmoose: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Bull. Shiat. Obama has tried to reconcile and compromise throughout his entire first term until he recently realized it's hopeless. The only reason Obamacare was a fight between progressives and Blue Dogs was because Republicans shut THEMSELVES out of the debate and the Dems had to corral their entire 60 vote caucus. In the end, they still passed the most conservative, Heritage Foundation/Bob Dole/90s Senate Republicans/Romney-endorsed plan possible.

Why the fark is the Senate not allowed to open debates on legislation anymore?


They didn't lock themselves out, they were locked out. And god is that a tired talking point. Because some Republicans proposed a 50 page healthcare plan in the 1990s that included an individual mandate doesn't remotely mean it is the same thing as that 2700 page turd that passed.
 
2012-04-23 01:29:54 PM

theorellior: qorkfiend: I think Cantor's very happy to wield all the actual power and not be the public face of the Republicans.

Cantor wants to be Speaker so bad he can taste it. He can't wait for that blue-collar, orange-skinned, Democrat-compromising dinosaur RINO from Ohio to shuffle off to retirement. And Boehner's gonna cling to the post with white-knuckled intensity to keep that up-jumped nouveau-riche beneficiary of crony nepotism from Virgina from taking his long-awaited crowning career achievement.


Oh sure, but I would totally understand if Cantor wanted to stay out of the limelight for a bit, at least until the power of the Tea Party in the GOP caucus is broken. Cantor's had a front-row seat to the insanity that Boehner's had to deal with.
 
2012-04-23 01:30:11 PM

xanadian: FTFA: "When he does, I think people are going to judge them for what they are, which is backward-looking and a repeat of what got us into this mess in the first place," he added.

Translation: Bububububt BUSH!!!


BubububububuBad Policy is bubububububuBad Policy regardless of who wants to enact it, k-k-k-k-k-k-k-k-Ken.
 
2012-04-23 01:31:49 PM

EWreckedSean: BLeap: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.

Shockingly, they said no to a bill they were all but shut out of writing. Shockingly. There were some brief conversations with Grassley right in the beginning, but for the most part the law was written under the fark you, we won ideology.


Why Grassley Turned on Health-Care Reform

The Tea Party biatch-slapped him during the infamous August recess. As for who bank-rolls the Tea Party and who influences their message, that's a different conversation.
 
2012-04-23 01:34:03 PM

BLeap: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Pretty sure I remember the Republican position on Health Care Reform being "No." If your position is that you're unequivocally opposed and you refuse to compromise, you're going to get cut out because no one sees any point in trying to work with you.


It was actually worse than that. The GOP position was basically, "Sure we'll work with you. Here's our alternative plan which bears no resemblance whatsoever to your plan and achieves nothing that you set out to do. Pass that and we'll work with you." There was no attempt made to work with Democrats on the ACA to carve out something bipartisan. The GOP decided, then and there, that HCR was going to be a political issue they would try to hang Obama on.

Even worse, now you have Republicans saying, "Well Obamacare is a nightmare, but we'll keep the "popular" provisions about not denying pre-existing conditions and kids staying on their parent's plan. In other words, they want to strip mine the parts that they can't campaign against, incorporate it into their plan, and take credit for the actual work.

And people wonder why Republicans in Congress can't be trusted?
 
2012-04-23 01:34:57 PM

qorkfiend: Oh sure, but I would totally understand if Cantor wanted to stay out of the limelight for a bit, at least until the power of the Tea Party in the GOP caucus is broken. Cantor's had a front-row seat to the insanity that Boehner's had to deal with.


Except Cantor is part and parcel of the Tea Party shenanigans, and is one of the biggest thorns in Boehner's side.

The thing is, I don't really have a beef with Boehner, his history in the House was one of moderation, at least by today's standards. He's just so far out of his element in the poisonous atmosphere that has emerged in the last three years that he's just flailing helplessly. Cantor, however, can eat a bowl of dicks and die in a fire.
 
2012-04-23 01:36:04 PM

Close2TheEdge: Here's our alternative plan which bears no resemblance whatsoever to your plan and achieves nothing that you set out to do.


I remember that.

www.cognitivedissident.org
 
2012-04-23 01:37:31 PM

EWreckedSean: They didn't lock themselves out, they were locked out. And god is that a tired talking point. Because some Republicans proposed a 50 page healthcare plan in the 1990s that included an individual mandate doesn't remotely mean it is the same thing as that 2700 page turd that passed.


This is a crowning example of the Republican strategy of repeating something so many times that people start believing it because anything else has been crowded out of their memories.
 
2012-04-23 01:38:53 PM

EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: EWreckedSean: Lumpmoose: On NBC's "Meet the Press," Axelrod said that if Obama is re-elected, some Republicans would be more willing to work with him.

For what possible reason would Axelrod believe that? The only time Congress has worked was during the 2nd half of 2009 after Franken was sworn in but before Brown won the special election. And that was because Democrats had the House and 60 votes in the Senate to get cloture.

The Republican Party will continue to filibuster everything until there's a Republican in the White House or they do some serious soul searching. And the country will continue to suffer in the meantime.

Obama shut them out when the Democrats controlled congress. How quickly we forget the I Won comments. Hell the Obamacare debate was between progressive Democrats and Blue Dog Democrats. Republicans were mostly shut out of the conversation, and now Obama is mad they won't work with him?

Bull. Shiat. Obama has tried to reconcile and compromise throughout his entire first term until he recently realized it's hopeless. The only reason Obamacare was a fight between progressives and Blue Dogs was because Republicans shut THEMSELVES out of the debate and the Dems had to corral their entire 60 vote caucus. In the end, they still passed the most conservative, Heritage Foundation/Bob Dole/90s Senate Republicans/Romney-endorsed plan possible.

Why the fark is the Senate not allowed to open debates on legislation anymore?

They didn't lock themselves out, they were locked out. And god is that a tired talking point. Because some Republicans proposed a 50 page healthcare plan in the 1990s that included an individual mandate doesn't remotely mean it is the same thing as that 2700 page turd that passed.


The individual mandate is the linchpin of the entire plan. Even the SCOTUS was flummoxed when they discussed how to pull it without breaking everything. If there is no more conservative method to reform and fix health care than the individual mandate. In fact, conservatives invented it--that's the point. You might want to check Romney's gubernatorial history before you dismiss it as a 90s nonentity.
 
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