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2012-04-23 01:05:25 PM

Silly Jesus: kingoomieiii: gimmegimme: Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.

Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.

I'm sure he was terrified then while he was mentoring that troubled black teenager and working with the black community to get justice for that beaten black man. As obviously afraid of and prejudiced toward black people as he was I'm not sure how he didn't have a heart attack during those tutoring sessions and rallies.


I dunno...Zimmerman seems like the kind of thug who was working the long con, trying to figure out the psychology of the young black male to be able to understand their behavior. It's the same reason hunters watch nature shows; you need to know how deer behave so you can tell when they're going to run, etc.

HAMMERTOE: gimmegimme: Sometimes thugs even murder unarmed teenagers on purpose, right?

Interestingly, I heard a news segment on the radio this morning. Since 2008, 520 black teenagers have been murdered in Chicago. Not a single one of them make the news. Why? Their murderer was a black thug. In one particular case, the victim's "crime" was having a party the thugs weren't invited to.

Is it "racist" to point that out? Is it "racist" to point out that black people in general are more athletic than white people, and vastly over-represented in the world of sports other than hockey, NASCAR and chess? Is it "racist" to point out that black people are also more prone to aggression issues, as evidenced by the deafening silence and lack of rioting, pillaging and plundering by the white community, that resulted from OJ Simpson's jury finding him innocent on the basis of his race? Rodney king got off far easier than Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman, yet look at the violence that erupted when the black community didn't get its way.


The black community. They're the ones who had that riot after the Kentucky game, right?

blacksportsonline.com
 
2012-04-23 01:06:14 PM

kingoomieiii: gimmegimme: Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.

Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.


Have you read the call transcripts? There may have been one call about a suspicious black person in addition to the Trayvon Martin call.
 
2012-04-23 01:07:35 PM

DavidVincent: I didn't know he did that. I am sure he had an ulterior motive. It will take a little time for me to figure it out.


As I said in another thread, the only thing worse than a racist is a smug racist.

And by the way, for the record, anyone attacking white people (or hispanic people) over the trial should be tried for hate crimes. No one deserves to be singled out and targeted over some feature of themselves they have no control over. See what I'm getting at here?

Also, I don't want a vigilante to kill Zimmerman. Really. I don't want vigilantes killing anyone.
 
2012-04-23 01:09:20 PM

kingoomieiii: EWreckedSean: Forget the obvious pictures of Zimmerman's head gushing blood. Nothing to see here.

-Back of head wet from ground
-Bleeding from scalp wound, which bleed like crazy

Even under those conditions, the blood in that picture was a damned trickle. I've bled more shaving in the shower. It's still a wound, but you don't need to lie about it.


Valid point.

Mildly funny digression: Many years ago, there was a traffic accident at a corner right outside my apartment. Nobody was hurt, although one woman had banged her forehead on something. Well, she bailed out of her car and was screaming at the other driver ...and then she caught a look at her face in the sideview mirror. She actually had a cut no more than half an inch long (and probably a lot less) on her forehead, but, heads being heads, her face was all over blood. Fairly dramatic looking, actually; on a par with that picture. The second she saw it, she just dropped. Out like a light. Thankfully I was within catching range!.I got to do my EMT stuff for a bit before the regular first responders showed up. I asked later -- yep, she was fine, just fainted at the sight of blood. No actual injuries, at least that needed more than a band-aid.

So, yeah, heads bleed. Exertion, moisture, Florida heat (I was down there last week, it was in the 80's), and whatnot, it's going to look pretty dramatic, kind of like my lady with the bleeding forehead. But I've seen more blood from bloody noses (come to think of it, I've caused more blood from bloody noses).

Still I want a diagram. And some actual facts. Enough of this "he said, she said" nonsense -- depending on who we choose to listen to, we can "justify" (or at least rationalize) any version of events we want. That doesn't make any given version true. I was thinking about this when I went past the exit for Sanford, actually. With all the ranting and raving and ITG's and stupid tweets, there's very little actual information out there about what really went on. Not a good basis for outrage.

Not, of course, that that will stop anyone.
 
2012-04-23 01:10:21 PM

kingoomieiii: I don't pretend to have a complete breakdown of the guy's personality, but again, the dude called the police over and over to report black people hanging around in his neighborhood. To the point that I'd assume he'd have stopped being surprised to see them.


I haven't looked into it myself, but I read somewhere that out of the 40 or so calls, only 6 of them referenced black people. I also think that one of the often-complained of stories about Zimmerman calling police on a young child turned out, on further investigation, to be that Zimmerman called police out of concern for the child's safety, not to have the child arrested.

If that aspect of Zimmerman's story is important to you, then you may want to do some research on the issue to see what the facts are.

The propaganda quotient for this story is so inflated that you can't simply accept anything at face value.
 
2012-04-23 01:11:39 PM
So now it seems that the mob is shifting their focus to the girlfriends phone call.

7:11pm - Zimmerman calls 911
7:12pm - Martin begins phone call with girlfriend
7:13pm - Zimmerman exits vehicle and begins running after Martin takes off running
7:15pm - Zimmerman ends 911 call
7:15pm - Martin is still on phone
7:16pm - Martin's phone disconnects

From the timeline, we know that Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend prior to when it's reported by Zimmerman that Martin took off running. The affidavit also says that Martin tried running home. How is it possible that the girlfriend doesn't know that Martin takes off running? She even goes as far to say that Martin says that he's not going to run. Using her super hearing, she's able to report that Zimmerman pushed Martin. The only explanation is that her story is bullshiat. She obviously knows that Martin ran but fabricated some other story in order to cover up what really happened that night. She's as credible as Al and Jesse.
 
2012-04-23 01:12:55 PM

PoochUMD: kingoomieiii: gimmegimme: Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.

Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.

Have you read the call transcripts? There may have been one call about a suspicious black person in addition to the Trayvon Martin call.


http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2012/04/trayvon-martin-shooter- z immermans-911-audio-tapes/
 
2012-04-23 01:13:32 PM

Phinn: I also think that one of the often-complained of stories about Zimmerman calling police on a young child turned out, on further investigation, to be that Zimmerman called police out of concern for the child's safety, not to have the child arrested.


Boy, this guy was real monster.
 
2012-04-23 01:13:56 PM
I'm only reading today's Trayvon thread because it was funny to see DROxINxTHExWIND backpedal.

"I haven't seen XXX near this"... as one is making broad statements about the entire situation. Then tries to play it off as a purely individualistic comment.

I haven't see Sarah Palin Maryland, therefore she has never come to Maryland.

I haven't seen a plane take off in a month, so a plane has never taken off so stop talking about flying.

I haven't had Taco Bell in 3 years. If you've had Taco Bell you're lying.
 
2012-04-23 01:15:39 PM

DavidVincent: HAMMERTOE: Since 2008, 520 black teenagers have been murdered in Chicago. Not a single one of them make the news. Why? Their murderer was a black thug. In one particular case, the victim's "crime" was having a party the thugs weren't invited to.


kingoomieiii, is going to want to have a word with you.


The news value of the Trayvon shooting was boosted by the fact that the police, for a month, were 100% certain of who the shooter was, and openly didn't give a shiat.

Same reason the Rodney King thing blew up- a public perception of police misconduct in a vicious beating coupled with 100 pounds of don't-give-a-fark from the people in charge.
 
2012-04-23 01:16:04 PM

Dimming: Dro...usually I find your posts to be well thought out, and you usually have very valid points. However, you're digging yourself a hole here and you should probably just stop. The comment that you haven't seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this is absurd, and you shouldn't get all butt-hurt just because someone calls you out on it.

/lurker
//carry on




Anyone who has seen me posts knows that I have no problem admitting when I am wrong...when I an wrong.
 
2012-04-23 01:16:21 PM

kingoomieiii: gimmegimme: Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.

Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.


Was that before or after mentoring them?
 
2012-04-23 01:17:08 PM
DavidVincent, Are you saying that the cops killed Martin when he was half his age?
 
2012-04-23 01:19:55 PM
To show how farking stupid the prosecution is, they file an affidavit stating that...

1. Zimmerman continued following Martin after being told not to by a dispatcher
2. Zimmerman confronted Martin

They're then forced in a bond hearing to admit that they have no proof to back up either claim
 
2012-04-23 01:20:43 PM

bobdobb: DavidVincent, Are you saying that the cops killed Martin when he was half his age?


Are you refering to that "art work"? It's pretty funny!

Did Cooper Anderson paint that?
 
2012-04-23 01:22:24 PM

kingoomieiii: Silly Jesus: kingoomieiii: gimmegimme: Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.

Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.

I'm sure he was terrified then while he was mentoring that troubled black teenager and working with the black community to get justice for that beaten black man. As obviously afraid of and prejudiced toward black people as he was I'm not sure how he didn't have a heart attack during those tutoring sessions and rallies.

I don't pretend to have a complete breakdown of the guy's personality, but again, the dude called the police over and over to report black people hanging around in his neighborhood. To the point that I'd assume he'd have stopped being surprised to see them.


Why do you assume that their being black was a reason for his calls?
 
2012-04-23 01:22:24 PM

kingoomieiii: The news value of the Trayvon shooting was boosted by the fact that the police, for a month, were 100% certain of who the shooter was, and openly didn't give a shiat.


Which is why they were conducting an investigation, issuing press releases updating the status of the investigation and turning over the investigation to the DA for review.

All of which was done before we had even heard of this case.
 
2012-04-23 01:23:24 PM

9beers: To show how farking stupid the prosecution is, they file an affidavit stating that...

1. Zimmerman continued following Martin after being told not to by a dispatcher
2. Zimmerman confronted Martin

They're then forced in a bond hearing to admit that they have no proof to back up either claim



There is some good info here for those that just can't get enough on this story.
 
2012-04-23 01:26:00 PM

kingoomieiii: Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.


You're not even the least bit concerned with posting facts, are you? Six of his calls mention a black person and in every case, Zimmerman doesn't mention race until asked.
 
2012-04-23 01:26:19 PM

gimmegimme: I dunno...Zimmerman seems like the kind of thug who was working the long con, trying to figure out the psychology of the young black male to be able to understand their behavior. It's the same reason hunters watch nature shows; you need to know how deer behave so you can tell when they're going to run, etc.


Poe's Law
 
2012-04-23 01:28:11 PM
Also, here is George Zimmerman's complete police phonecall history, the vast, vast majority of which are NOT actually 9/11 calls, but calls to the non-emergency police number.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-h i story-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html
 
2012-04-23 01:29:29 PM

DavidVincent:

There is some good info here for those that just can't get enough on this story.



Here is one of the comments I found interesting.

Physician, heal thyself! (5.00 / 1) (#117)
by Luke Lea on Sat Apr 21, 2012 at 06:18:31 PM EST

"From the beginning this story has been about the media, not about a homicide, let alone race. Mediagate would be a better name for it.
Now if we could just find one high quality journalism organization that would cover it -- fairly, consistently, thoroughly, dispassionately, objectively. No leaning over backwards. Let the chips fall where they may.

We need a new newspaper of record. Maybe a digital publication with some kind of micro-charging subscription service to pay the reporters and editors by the piece. I don't know how to make it work but I would pay good money for real reporting."


As I have said often, the media coverage is the fascinating story for me here. I don't feel a need to speculate on who was at fault. The media coverage has been irrespondsible and inflamatory. Cancel your cable!
 
2012-04-23 01:30:36 PM
Everyone studying an otherwise insignifigant case of a shooting between a hispanic man a black teenager, should step back from the microscope, look around and ask yourself, "why the fark do I even care about this crap"?

In my opinion, this is a media driven event designed to divide the country and appparenty it's working. Whether for new gun control laws, or some other laws that will result in the loss of freedom along with more governmental control.

This is also more proof that the media doesn't just report the news, they create the news.
 
2012-04-23 01:32:12 PM

keenerb: Also, here is George Zimmerman's complete police phonecall history, the vast, vast majority of which are NOT actually 9/11 calls, but calls to the non-emergency police number.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/22/george-zimmerman-s-h i story-of-911-calls-a-complete-log.html


Here's the actual police records from the calls. Link

Your link only provides a summary and leaves out information.
 
2012-04-23 01:33:20 PM

kingoomieiii: DavidVincent: HAMMERTOE: Since 2008, 520 black teenagers have been murdered in Chicago. Not a single one of them make the news. Why? Their murderer was a black thug. In one particular case, the victim's "crime" was having a party the thugs weren't invited to.


kingoomieiii, is going to want to have a word with you.

The news value of the Trayvon shooting was boosted by the fact that the police, for a month, were 100% certain of who the shooter was, and openly didn't give a shiat.

Same reason the Rodney King thing blew up- a public perception of police misconduct in a vicious beating coupled with 100 pounds of don't-give-a-fark from the people in charge.


NO. The police and the DA's office decided that there was no evidence of a crime after taking into account the self defense claim.

You, and people like you, interpret applying the law correctly as not giving a shiat. Only when the mob entered the picture did the state find a prosecutor who is charging a 12 year old as an adult in another case to come in and placate the mob by overcharging Zimmerman.

I can't tell if you are serially disingenuous, trolling, or simply ignoring things like this out of spite.
 
2012-04-23 01:34:05 PM
They should plant a bag of Skittles on his body when they're done.
 
2012-04-23 01:35:57 PM

Tyranicle: Everyone studying an otherwise insignifigant case of a shooting between a hispanic man a black teenager, should step back from the microscope, look around and ask yourself, "why the fark do I even care about this crap"?


I think for the majority of people posting in this thread minus the very prolific ones that are in every thread most people care about it because it is something to discuss or debate and that's it. The most prolific posters are racists that care because it helps them confirm their racism.
 
2012-04-23 01:36:59 PM
This is disgusting.

These people don't want justice. They just want a reason, ANY reason to lash out at good ol' whitey.

They don't want to see justice. They want to see whitey pay.

All the evidence so far points to the fact that Zimmerman is telling the truth.
When/If he is found innocent, the beasts will riot.
 
2012-04-23 01:38:24 PM

HAMMERTOE: Interestingly, I heard a news segment on the radio this morning. Since 2008, 520 black teenagers have been murdered in Chicago. Not a single one of them make the news. Why?


Mind if I ask what "news segment" you got this piece of information from?

Because I'm pretty sure that it's demonstrably-false paranoid bullshiat intended to persuade the audience of a media conspiracy where none exists.

If you think I'm wrong, here's one of those news articles that, according to your radio show, are never ever talked about in the news. From yesterday.
 
2012-04-23 01:53:02 PM

onyxruby: People are itching for a lynch mob, forgetting such lynch mobs were used against the blacks in the past. The sheer hypocrisy and racism in this trial and everything to do with it astonishes.


No it doesn't. It present day America, blacks as a whole are probably the most well protected and racially preffered group of people in the world. There is no other country or ethnicity that have been given more preferential treatment and quotas with everything else being equal.

Even in death they wield considerable influence and power when it comes to preferential treatment. Take this case as an example. Regardless of what side you're on I think everyone would agree that IF the races of these men were reversed nothing would come out of it! If the KKK or other white supremacist group were to offered bounty the media firestrorm would;ve been out of this world YET with things such as this twitter or the black panthers doing their shenangans no one seemed to be upset about it.

In almost every conceivable organization, private or otherwise blacks enjoy significant quota preference over any other race. Definitely so in colleges etc and their grades don;t even need to match the other races.
 
2012-04-23 01:55:59 PM
There are a LOT of illiterate people using Twitter....
 
2012-04-23 02:00:41 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't have a problem with white people. I have a problem with white people who make sweeping, idiotic generalizations about black people.


I've noticed that you've repeatedly use the phrase "you all" in making sweeping, idiotic generalizations about white people in this thread.

/I don't think you really are an idiot
//most of your posts demonstrate intelligence behind the keyboard and I appreciate alternative viewpoints
///have you favorite'ed to make sure I see your comments
 
2012-04-23 02:01:20 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: in 2012, judging a man by the "content of his character," as Dr. King dreamed of, is now racist, given how overwhelming low the character most of these folks have has been revealed to be.


Having lived for ten years in Atlanta, a block away from his grandchildren, he was, sadly, proven right.

Supreme Court Justice Thurgood Marshall said this:

"There is no such thing as justice, whether inside or outside the courtroom". He was right as well.

Jabbering idiots who screech for justice are just that - idiots. Define the term! What is real justice?

A time machine, to go back and prevent ills or wrongdoings that simply CANNOT be corrected! If Johnny kills Jack, Jack cannot receive real justice. He's DEAD. Will Jack's family be placated by Johnny's death? NO. Will Jack return from the dead if we (either the state or the brain-dead, bloodthirsty morons that are in the comment section of this article) kill Johnny? No. And hell, maybe Johnny had it coming!

The most awful villian in this is indeed the media.
 
2012-04-23 02:05:22 PM
Meanwhile handgun sales continue to increase. The NRA and ALEC pat themselved on the back for a job well done.
 
2012-04-23 02:05:38 PM

master_dman: These people don't want justice. They just want a reason, ANY reason to lash out at good ol' whitey.


It's funny how the Hispanic Jew is now "whitey".

Is he like "Epstein", the Puerto Rican Jew from Welcome Back Kotter?

Dear Ms. Martin,

Please excuse my son for shooting your son to death.

Sincerely, George's Mother
 
2012-04-23 02:06:20 PM

onyxruby: People are itching for a lynch mob, forgetting such lynch mobs were used against the blacks in the past. The sheer hypocrisy and racism in this trial and everything to do with it astonishes.


you know, I thought the exact same thing - reading a book now on the trial of Willie McGee in MS; so ironic how some black people have lost their lives fighting for the cause of equal rights to have these morons go and push it way over the edge to the other end of the scale; if they keep on, it will most likely instigate a terrible tragedy at one point or another...
 
2012-04-23 02:06:43 PM

kingoomieiii: These Trayvon threads should really start with a disclaimer that if you are STILL complaining about the term "White hispanic", you are a willfully ignorant racist.

And by the way, if any of you haven't ignored DavidVincent, do so now, because he's an unapologetic, openly vehement racist. To the point that he thinks his racism is totally okay. Which is, like, five racism levels above "willfully ignorant".


I can't ignore him. I have to wait for karma to catch up to him when he gets rectal cancer or eaten by wolves or something like that and then read his memorial thread. That ought to be a hoot and a half.
 
2012-04-23 02:26:54 PM

winsecure: DROxINxTHExWIND: I don't have a problem with white people. I have a problem with white people who make sweeping, idiotic generalizations about black people.

I've noticed that you've repeatedly use the phrase "you all" in making sweeping, idiotic generalizations about white people in this thread.

/I don't think you really are an idiot
//most of your posts demonstrate intelligence behind the keyboard and I appreciate alternative viewpoints
///have you favorite'ed to make sure I see your comments


Appreciate the compliment. I say "you all" as in the Farkers responding to me. Most of you have enough sense to know that I am not speaking of all white people or even all Farkers.
 
2012-04-23 02:26:58 PM

digitalrain: PoochUMD: digitalrain: No lynching at all. I never said he was guilty of murder, but I do believe he is guilty of
manslaughter. He shot someone. That fact is indisputable. I don't believe it was self defense,
and even if that photo is legit (why just a photo of the back of his head - with no cuts or
abrasions evident, just blood - and not a broken nose photo too?), the whole thing could
have been prevented if he hadn't had to act like such a cock-swinging commando and
pursue the kid after he was specifically told by the dispatcher not to.

It was taken by a witness at the scene a few minutes after the shooting, not by police.

The evidence suggests that he did stop pursuing Martin after the dispatcher told him he didn't have to follow him. the only reason they had a confrontation is because Martin was either hiding in the immediate vicinity or doubled back to confront Zimmerman.

See, that's a horse of a different color. If that is what actually happened, then I take
back everything I said and agree that Zimmerman may, indeed, have been acting within
the SYG law.


Maybe, maybe not... the point that should be made (and seems to be getting totally lost by both sides) is that there's more to the story.

Prior to Thursday/Friday of last week it was "there are no marks on Zimmerman, therefore he's lying."

Now we have a photo that supposedly came from one of the responding officers at the scene. I'm good with that until/unless someone shows otherwise (such as the evidence photos which were also taken; those haven't seen the light of day yet). What does it prove? As of now it proves accuracy of the statement in the police report that indicating that Zimmerman was injured (and where).

The broken nose? Believe it or not, I think you can see a bit of it (it's a discoloration on his nose) in the video. That might be confirmation bias on my part (especially with the quality of the video used), but I've seen enough broken noses IRL and via digital media to recognize the discoloration. That said, my observation isn't the important part (and I could just as easily be looking at a distortion caused by the quality of the video). What is important is that a medical report was provided to the prosecution by Zimmerman's defense confirming that his nose was broken (this also agrees with the police report). Personally, I thought that was a brilliant bit of showmanship by Zimmerman's defense during the bail hearing.

How did these injuries occur? Don't know, but it's safe to assume (with the eyewittness and other evidence) that a physical altercation occurred between Zimmerman and Martin.

Does that remove all guilt from Zimmerman? Nope. However, it lends a LOT more credence to what he said. Remember, Martin's family denied that their son would ever commit an act of violence when Zimmerman's initial claim of being smacked against the sidewalk hit the news. Maybe Martin was defending himself, maybe he was using Zimmerman's head as a basketball... who knows? What we do know is that people dismissed Zimmerman's claims and pointed to a low quality video as proof that he was uninjured. Now it appears that Zimmerman may be telling the truth.

First they need to confirm how the injuries occurred, piece together how the two came to blows (and who struck first...if that's possible), and how things went up to the point where Zimmerman discharged his firearm. If it turns out that Zimmerman started the fight, then he goes to jail. If Zimmerman had the upper hand (despite having his head smacked against the sidewalk), he goes to jail. However, if Zimmerman's story is accurate, and he did not start the physical altercation, then SYG probably applies regardless of his prior stupidity.

Anyone who is coming to a conclusion at this point, and is not part of the investigation, is simply guessing at this point. It's a tragedy, no doubt. The question is whether a crime has occurred, and if so, to what degree.
 
2012-04-23 02:27:28 PM

Hickory-smoked: Mind if I ask what "news segment" you got this piece of information from?


It was on WGAC this morning at 5:30 and referenced this article, by Lee Habeeb.
 
2012-04-23 02:33:02 PM

gimmegimme: KanedaJD: So...

I'm not disputing the right of a person in public to speak to another. What I find disturbing about your account is how happy you seem to expect people to explain themselves whenever a random person asks you what you are up to.

///Papers, please?


But it's a neighborhood... It's private property, isn't it? I can't ask someone on my property or my neighbor's property to identify themselves?

Don't get me wrong I totally understand your point but I think you've got the right dog in the wrong fight
 
2012-04-23 02:37:53 PM

kingoomieiii: The news value of the Trayvon shooting was boosted by the fact that the police, for a month, were 100% certain of who the shooter was, and openly didn't give a shiat.


That's absolute nonsense. The police investigated. The State Attorney was going to present the investigation to the grand jury on April 10, before the Governor appointed a special prosecutor.
 
2012-04-23 02:38:34 PM

KanedaJD: gimmegimme: KanedaJD: So...

I'm not disputing the right of a person in public to speak to another. What I find disturbing about your account is how happy you seem to expect people to explain themselves whenever a random person asks you what you are up to.

///Papers, please?

But it's a neighborhood... It's private property, isn't it? I can't ask someone on my property or my neighbor's property to identify themselves?

Don't get me wrong I totally understand your point but I think you've got the right dog in the wrong fight


So now, Zimmerman was just protecting the property of a neighbor that we'll assume he knew...but he didn't know that Trayvon's father was a neighbor. Smh.
 
2012-04-23 02:42:53 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: So now, Zimmerman was just protecting the property of a neighbor that we'll assume he knew...but he didn't know that Trayvon's father was a neighbor. Smh.


Wait, what?
 
2012-04-23 02:45:16 PM

imtheonlylp: you know, I thought the exact same thing - reading a book now on the trial of Willie McGee in MS; so ironic how some black people have lost their lives fighting for the cause of equal rights to have these morons go and push it way over the edge to the other end of the scale; if they keep on, it will most likely instigate a terrible tragedy at one point or another...


What I find ironic is that the NRA was one of the first notable groups that stood up for the blacks, back when such things were /very/ unpopular.

How did they get turned from helping defend black people in the public eye to being the black persons boogeyman? Most victims of crimes by blacks are black themselves, why shouldn't more people be able to be armed to defend themselves? This was an issue of agression by an individual against another individual. It was the media that turned this into race war flame-bait.

/can't stand the rampant race baiting that has been going on with this
//more people are going to be killed
///slashies are good
 
2012-04-23 02:46:40 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus: DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus:

Yep, there we are, all 39 million of us in lock step behind Jesse Jackson. You got me. I guess Sarah Palin is President.

Ah, I guess you were using hyperbole then, because the picture directly contradicted this statement of yours....

"I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this. Look, BLACK people don't even listen to those two..."

and I just couldn't resist.

Cheers, mate.

Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?


Please help me with the part of the statement I seem to be having the most trouble with (it's in bold, above).

In that picture, those are either black people following the lead of/listening to Jesse, Al, et al. or those white guys need to get to a doctor because they may have skin cancer.

To make a sweeping statement about who black people may or may not listen to is a bit racist/bigoted. Why do you hate black people?
 
2012-04-23 02:52:51 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: KanedaJD: gimmegimme: KanedaJD: So...

I'm not disputing the right of a person in public to speak to another. What I find disturbing about your account is how happy you seem to expect people to explain themselves whenever a random person asks you what you are up to.

///Papers, please?

But it's a neighborhood... It's private property, isn't it? I can't ask someone on my property or my neighbor's property to identify themselves?

Don't get me wrong I totally understand your point but I think you've got the right dog in the wrong fight

So now, Zimmerman was just protecting the property of a neighbor that we'll assume he knew...but he didn't know that Trayvon's father was a neighbor. Smh.


Hate to mention this, but wasn't the house belonging to Martin's (the father) girlfriend?

I mention this only because I've read that in several articles (I'm also thinking that the property belonged to his father, but the contradicting statement Link might explain how Zimmerman didn't know who Martin's father was).

FWIW: I've had folks come up to me and ask me what I was up to when I was in a neighborhood other than my own. No biggie and 99% of the folks attempted to get the info out of me using common social engineering (opposed to the "papers please?") approach.

That's not to say that Zimmerman handled the situation appropriately, but if you don't think that people will ask you what you're doing (whether directly or indirectly) if you go into a community where folks generally know each other, then you're nuts. Even if someone doesn't chat with you directly, you'll find that folks are keeping an eye on you. There are several studies on this, and it's a fascinating look into group psychology.

Doesn't excuse anything that happened (regardless of Zimmerman's innocence/guilt in the death of Martin). Just pointing it out.
 
2012-04-23 03:00:22 PM
...and we're at the point of the discussion where we post a picture of Katie Featherston.....

www.absolutely.net

/hot
 
2012-04-23 03:02:43 PM

meathome: DROxINxTHExWIND: KanedaJD: gimmegimme: KanedaJD: So...

I'm not disputing the right of a person in public to speak to another. What I find disturbing about your account is how happy you seem to expect people to explain themselves whenever a random person asks you what you are up to.

///Papers, please?

But it's a neighborhood... It's private property, isn't it? I can't ask someone on my property or my neighbor's property to identify themselves?

Don't get me wrong I totally understand your point but I think you've got the right dog in the wrong fight

So now, Zimmerman was just protecting the property of a neighbor that we'll assume he knew...but he didn't know that Trayvon's father was a neighbor. Smh.

Hate to mention this, but wasn't the house belonging to Martin's (the father) girlfriend?

I mention this only because I've read that in several articles (I'm also thinking that the property belonged to his father, but the contradicting statement Link might explain how Zimmerman didn't know who Martin's father was).

FWIW: I've had folks come up to me and ask me what I was up to when I was in a neighborhood other than my own. No biggie and 99% of the folks attempted to get the info out of me using common social engineering (opposed to the "papers please?") approach.

That's not to say that Zimmerman handled the situation appropriately, but if you don't think that people will ask you what you're doing (whether directly or indirectly) if you go into a community where folks generally know each other, then you're nuts. Even if someone doesn't chat with you directly, you'll find that folks are keeping an eye on you. There are several studies on this, and it's a fascinating look into group psychology.


This is one of my favorites:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-04-23 03:10:38 PM

badhatharry: I sure hope Zimmerman is allowed to keep his concealed carry permit.


Nope. According to the other Zimmerman article on the main page (him bailing out of jail), it said: Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester said at a hearing Friday that Zimmerman cannot have any guns and must observe a 7 p.m.-to-6 a.m. curfew. Zimmerman also surrendered his passport.

It also stated that he will be fitted with an electronic device.
 
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