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2012-04-23 12:09:40 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus: DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus:

Yep, there we are, all 39 million of us in lock step behind Jesse Jackson. You got me. I guess Sarah Palin is President.

Ah, I guess you were using hyperbole then, because the picture directly contradicted this statement of yours....

"I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this. Look, BLACK people don't even listen to those two..."

and I just couldn't resist.

Cheers, mate.

Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?


Yes, I'm sure that's how you meant it and you didn't make that statement to imply that he wasn't there. You're a joke.
 
2012-04-23 12:09:46 PM

9beers: The Numbers: It does seem like the anti-Zimmerman brigade are choosing to believe anything as long as it fits with how they want to picture Zimmerman.

To be fair, they've been forced to move the goal posts so many times, they don't even believe what they're saying anymore.


Whereas you've been perfectly consistent in standing by your racist comments.
 
2012-04-23 12:11:18 PM

Scerpes: DROxINxTHExWIND: Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?

If you haven't seen Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton anywhere near Sanford, you're lying or you're not paying attention. He's been all over it for weeks.


Try to keep up. I said I haven't seen Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton, as we all know has been the face of the protest. So again, your photo does nothing to contradict my statement. But, it does speak to your ability to comprehend what you read.
 
2012-04-23 12:11:35 PM

9beers: CalvinMorallis: *Zimmerman's demonstrated history of violence
*The account of the girlfriend on the phone
*The audio experts who say it was likely Martin screaming for help, and not Zimmerman
*The witness who told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman seemed unharmed after the confrontation
*The multiple witnesses who claim the police tried to coach their stories

*Zimmerman was defending a friend from somebody he didn't know was an undercover cop
*Even if the girlfriend can be believed, what does she say that proves anything?
*The lead investigator said in court that voice biometrics did not positively ID the screams
*That witness was from a distance and admits to only seeing silhouettes
*There was one witness that said that officers corrected her when she said it was Martin yelling for help. She didn't see anything until after the shooting.


oh, boy, this can be fun.

*Since he didn't know the guy was a cop, that makes it less violent?
*If we believe her, then we believe that Martin was being followed, which directly contradicts the whole Zimmerman-was-innocently-returning-to-his-truck-when-he-was-jumped narrative of the week.
*This voice expert begs to differ
*What's the criteria for dismissing one witness completely, and taking the word of another as gospel?
 
2012-04-23 12:11:54 PM

Headso: Scerpes: DROxINxTHExWIND: Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?

If you haven't seen Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton anywhere near Sanford, you're lying or you're not paying attention. He's been all over it for weeks.

I think only republicans are required to know their whereabouts at all times.


Their presence on this matter has been inescapable.
 
2012-04-23 12:13:03 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Scerpes: DROxINxTHExWIND: Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?

If you haven't seen Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton anywhere near Sanford, you're lying or you're not paying attention. He's been all over it for weeks.

Try to keep up. I said I haven't seen Jesse Jackson. Al Sharpton, as we all know has been the face of the protest. So again, your photo does nothing to contradict my statement. But, it does speak to your ability to comprehend what you read.


First, it isn't my photo. More importantly, Jackson's been all over this. If you haven't seen it, you haven't been paying attention.
 
2012-04-23 12:13:40 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I have a problem with white people who make sweeping, idiotic generalizations about black people.


Says the person who makes sweeping, idiotic generalizations about black people then gets pissy when called on them.
 
2012-04-23 12:14:16 PM

Silly Jesus: CalvinMorallis: PoochUMD: Primum: Hmm, maybe he tripped while running after Martin and hurt his head on the sidewalk?

Maybe he ran into a tree branch. In the heightened physical state GZ was in stalking his victim, he likely had narrowed/tunnel vision, elevated heart rate, resistance to pain, blood rushing in his hearing, etc. Very likely scraped his head on something.

Listen to the 911 call. He runs for 30 seconds and doesn't sound like he falls and hurts himself.

Plus a witness saw him have head beaten against the sidewalk.

Funny how that one witness means so much more to *a certain segment of the population* than--

*Zimmerman's demonstrated history of violence - your only slightly valid point
*The account of the girlfriend on the phone - she somehow heard who pushed who first, so irrelevant
*The audio experts who say it was likely Martin screaming for help, and not Zimmerman - It's an unproven technology that will not be admitted into court
*The witness who told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman seemed unharmed after the confrontation - This is negated by the pictures taken immediately after the confrontation
*The multiple witnesses who claim the police tried to coach their stories - Disproved weeks ago and shown to be misunderstanding

So, basically, you've got, "but Zimmerman was a meanie."


Again, those of you who shiat your pants over the sight of a black teenager in a sweatshirt will bend over backwards to find shades of gray in every piece of evidence that doesn't directly line up with your preconceived notions of what happened, and yet will trot out the equation of "blood on the back of the head + 1 witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman = the boy had it coming" as gospel truth
 
2012-04-23 12:14:43 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Joe Blowme:

Meh, many times talk of "culture" is just another dog whistle for black people. You certainly don't believe that this culture is dominated by white or Hispanic people because you used Ebonics to demonstrate how the person speaks. Another dog whistle. Don't know if you're a bigot. I'm just sayin' you type like one.

Do you even know what ebonics is? Your cries of "everyone is racist" is a dog whistle that you are a racist. If you cant talk about problems honestly without throwing down your race card all the time maybe you should just go away and let the adults talk honestly. You are obviously bigoted and racist toward white people so just go get your black barret and thug boots on, keep it realz.

/tard
//assholes come in all colors


I don't have a problem with white people. I have a problem with white people who make sweeping, idiotic generalizations about black people. Funny that you're outraged by my response to bigotry but you have yet to say anything about the anti-Trayvon comments not being "adult". Save your indignation for someone who doesn't see through you.


You have x-ray vision? Holy shiat!! Now you can be a racist superhero!!!

/your Weeners is to cry "that's racist", that or "thats bigoted". That way you dont have to face the facts or truth of a subject you dont like... like a 3 year old.
 
2012-04-23 12:14:54 PM

Scerpes: Headso: Scerpes: DROxINxTHExWIND: Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?

If you haven't seen Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton anywhere near Sanford, you're lying or you're not paying attention. He's been all over it for weeks.

I think only republicans are required to know their whereabouts at all times.

Their presence on this matter has been inescapable.


Maybe they all look the same to Dro... blow hard pundits...

I honestly couldn't tell you which of them is there, so I'd say it's a escapable...
 
2012-04-23 12:16:11 PM

CalvinMorallis: *Since he didn't know the guy was a cop, that makes it less violent?
*If we believe her, then we believe that Martin was being followed, which directly contradicts the whole Zimmerman-was-innocently-returning-to-his-truck-when-he-was-jumped narrative of the week.
*This voice expert begs to differ
*What's the criteria for dismissing one witness completely, and taking the word of another as gospel?


*Defending a buddy in a bar fight is a lot different than attacking a police officer.
*I don't think Zimmerman denys following him for a short amount of time. Regardless, he stopped following him 2 minutes prior to the altercation, so it's still possible that Martin waited for him to return to his car to confront him.
*The voice experts couldn't match two samples of the same Nixon speech.
*One witness saw the altercation, another saw the aftermath and spoke to something that she didn't see and made the wrong assumption.
 
2012-04-23 12:16:35 PM

Silly Jesus: DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus: DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus:

Yep, there we are, all 39 million of us in lock step behind Jesse Jackson. You got me. I guess Sarah Palin is President.

Ah, I guess you were using hyperbole then, because the picture directly contradicted this statement of yours....

"I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this. Look, BLACK people don't even listen to those two..."

and I just couldn't resist.

Cheers, mate.

Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?

Yes, I'm sure that's how you meant it and you didn't make that statement to imply that he wasn't there. You're a joke.



No, my point was that you all run with this Sharpton/Jackson shiat in EVERY situation involving a black person no matter how involved Jackson or Sharpton are. And quote, "I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this". But, you knew that.
 
2012-04-23 12:17:41 PM

CalvinMorallis: 9beers: CalvinMorallis: *Zimmerman's demonstrated history of violence
*The account of the girlfriend on the phone
*The audio experts who say it was likely Martin screaming for help, and not Zimmerman
*The witness who told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman seemed unharmed after the confrontation
*The multiple witnesses who claim the police tried to coach their stories

*Zimmerman was defending a friend from somebody he didn't know was an undercover cop
*Even if the girlfriend can be believed, what does she say that proves anything?
*The lead investigator said in court that voice biometrics did not positively ID the screams
*That witness was from a distance and admits to only seeing silhouettes
*There was one witness that said that officers corrected her when she said it was Martin yelling for help. She didn't see anything until after the shooting.

oh, boy, this can be fun.

*Since he didn't know the guy was a cop, that makes it less violent?
*If we believe her, then we believe that Martin was being followed, which directly contradicts the whole Zimmerman-was-innocently-returning-to-his-truck-when-he-was-jumped narrative of the week.
*This voice expert begs to differ
*What's the criteria for dismissing one witness completely, and taking the word of another as gospel?


*It doesn't make it less violent, but it definitely makes it seem more reasonable than saying "he attacked a cop" as though he was in uniform. If you were in a bar with your friend and a nondescript guy jumped on him what would you do? Pee your pants and run away squealing?
*Her saying that Martin stated that he was being followed came at the beginning when Zimmerman was indeed trying to keep an eye on him. It has nothing to do with later in the timeline when ZImmerman claimed to be returning to his truck.
*That voice expert doesn't matter. The prosecution is the one arguing the case and they evidently don't think that it will stand up in court and have stated that they won't be using it.
*Huh?
 
2012-04-23 12:18:08 PM
www.csmonitor.com

Too bad the term "Black Friday" is already taken.
 
2012-04-23 12:19:33 PM

Headso: Scerpes: Headso: Scerpes: DROxINxTHExWIND: Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?

If you haven't seen Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton anywhere near Sanford, you're lying or you're not paying attention. He's been all over it for weeks.

I think only republicans are required to know their whereabouts at all times.

Their presence on this matter has been inescapable.

Maybe they all look the same to Dro... blow hard pundits...

I honestly couldn't tell you which of them is there, so I'd say it's a escapable...


THATS RACIST!!!!
 
2012-04-23 12:19:44 PM

cman: If you have good credit it is pretty easy to get a bond loan


They loan you 90%; Zimmerman would still have had to come up with $15,000 in "cash". (What is the term these days for money in the bank that you can use for non-credit transactions but does not exist in any real-world form beyond magnetic media or RAM? To me the word "cash" signifies green pictures of dead presidents, not ones and zeros.)
 
2012-04-23 12:20:32 PM

DavidVincent: Joe Blowme: Your cries of "everyone is racist" is a dog whistle that you are a racist.


What so bad being race conscious? White people are the only people trying to "overcome" this tragic flaw. We have laws in the US to guarantee equal access to employment and other important things. So what's the big deal? In that last 10 years "racism" has surpassed the 10 commandments as the ulitmate sin. How did that happen? Race/tribe exists. Get over it.

[realtybyjm.files.wordpress.com image 521x485]


Why? Tribalism, murder, enslavement, human sacrifice, cannibalism - these are all things that "come naturally" to human beings. Indeed, stripped of the restraints of civilized society, a human being is little but a killer ape.
So what?
There is a sizable contingent of humanity (a large majority, actually, as the very existence of civilization evinces) who do not wish to think or behave as animals. And over the centuries, they keep winning, as human society ever so imperceptibly improves.
The rest of us are moving forward - lead, follow - or get out of the way.
 
2012-04-23 12:21:50 PM

CalvinMorallis: Silly Jesus: CalvinMorallis: PoochUMD: Primum: Hmm, maybe he tripped while running after Martin and hurt his head on the sidewalk?

Maybe he ran into a tree branch. In the heightened physical state GZ was in stalking his victim, he likely had narrowed/tunnel vision, elevated heart rate, resistance to pain, blood rushing in his hearing, etc. Very likely scraped his head on something.

Listen to the 911 call. He runs for 30 seconds and doesn't sound like he falls and hurts himself.

Plus a witness saw him have head beaten against the sidewalk.

Funny how that one witness means so much more to *a certain segment of the population* than--

*Zimmerman's demonstrated history of violence - your only slightly valid point
*The account of the girlfriend on the phone - she somehow heard who pushed who first, so irrelevant
*The audio experts who say it was likely Martin screaming for help, and not Zimmerman - It's an unproven technology that will not be admitted into court
*The witness who told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman seemed unharmed after the confrontation - This is negated by the pictures taken immediately after the confrontation
*The multiple witnesses who claim the police tried to coach their stories - Disproved weeks ago and shown to be misunderstanding

So, basically, you've got, "but Zimmerman was a meanie."

Again, those of you who shiat your pants over the sight of a black teenager in a sweatshirt will bend over backwards to find shades of gray in every piece of evidence that doesn't directly line up with your preconceived notions of what happened, and yet will trot out the equation of "blood on the back of the head + 1 witness who saw Martin on top of Zimmerman = the boy had it coming" as gospel truth


I don't care what color Martin was or what he did in school etc. I am of the opinion that Zimmerman will rightfully serve no time based upon the preponderance of the evidence that I have seen so far. I have not seen all of it, nobody has, but since we are engaging in this guessing game, I am playing along, and my money is on him being found to have acted within the constraints of the law.
 
2012-04-23 12:24:34 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: No, my point was that you all run with this Sharpton/Jackson shiat in EVERY situation involving a black person no matter how involved Jackson or Sharpton are


Fair enough.

DROxINxTHExWIND: And quote, "I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this". But, you knew that.


You're still being a moron, but you knew that.
 
2012-04-23 12:27:35 PM

CalvinMorallis: PoochUMD: Primum: Hmm, maybe he tripped while running after Martin and hurt his head on the sidewalk?

Maybe he ran into a tree branch. In the heightened physical state GZ was in stalking his victim, he likely had narrowed/tunnel vision, elevated heart rate, resistance to pain, blood rushing in his hearing, etc. Very likely scraped his head on something.

Listen to the 911 call. He runs for 30 seconds and doesn't sound like he falls and hurts himself.

Plus a witness saw him have head beaten against the sidewalk.

Funny how that one witness means so much more to *a certain segment of the population* than--

*Zimmerman's demonstrated history of violence
*The account of the girlfriend on the phone
*The audio experts who say it was likely Martin screaming for help, and not Zimmerman
*The witness who told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman seemed unharmed after the confrontation
*The multiple witnesses who claim the police tried to coach their stories


Yes, forget the eye witness that saw Trayvon punching Zimmerman and beating his head into the concrete. Had Zimmerman scream to him for help. Forget the obvious pictures of Zimmerman's head gushing blood. Nothing to see here.
 
2012-04-23 12:27:55 PM

Silly Jesus: CalvinMorallis: 9beers: CalvinMorallis: *Zimmerman's demonstrated history of violence
*The account of the girlfriend on the phone
*The audio experts who say it was likely Martin screaming for help, and not Zimmerman
*The witness who told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman seemed unharmed after the confrontation
*The multiple witnesses who claim the police tried to coach their stories

*Zimmerman was defending a friend from somebody he didn't know was an undercover cop
*Even if the girlfriend can be believed, what does she say that proves anything?
*The lead investigator said in court that voice biometrics did not positively ID the screams
*That witness was from a distance and admits to only seeing silhouettes
*There was one witness that said that officers corrected her when she said it was Martin yelling for help. She didn't see anything until after the shooting.

oh, boy, this can be fun.

*Since he didn't know the guy was a cop, that makes it less violent?
*If we believe her, then we believe that Martin was being followed, which directly contradicts the whole Zimmerman-was-innocently-returning-to-his-truck-when-he-was-jumped narrative of the week.
*This voice expert begs to differ
*What's the criteria for dismissing one witness completely, and taking the word of another as gospel?

*It doesn't make it less violent, but it definitely makes it seem more reasonable than saying "he attacked a cop" as though he was in uniform. If you were in a bar with your friend and a nondescript guy jumped on him what would you do? Pee your pants and run away squealing?
*Her saying that Martin stated that he was being followed came at the beginning when Zimmerman was indeed trying to keep an eye on him. It has nothing to do with later in the timeline when ZImmerman claimed to be returning to his truck.
*That voice expert doesn't matter. The prosecution is the one arguing the case and they evidently don't think that it will stand up in court and have stated that they won't be using ...


Okay...enough with the bullet-lists, I guess...

My point in saying he has a history of violence is that...he has a history of violence. Years ago an ex-girlfriend claims he slapped her. Zimmerman's wife, speaking on his behalf, said there were extenuating circumstances. Later, he's accused of assaulting an undercover cop. Zimmerman said there were extenuating circumstances. Now, he's accused of murdering an unarmed teenager, and the defense is that there were...extenuating circumstances.

Seems like a lot of violence-related extenuating circumstances for one guy....and seems like way too many to be considered irrelevant.
 
2012-04-23 12:29:11 PM

CalvinMorallis: My point in saying he has a history of violence is that...he has a history of violence. Years ago an ex-girlfriend claims he slapped her. Zimmerman's wife, speaking on his behalf, said there were extenuating circumstances. Later, he's accused of assaulting an undercover cop. Zimmerman said there were extenuating circumstances. Now, he's accused of murdering an unarmed teenager, and the defense is that there were...extenuating circumstances.

Seems like a lot of violence-related extenuating circumstances for one guy....and seems like way too many to be considered irrelevant.



Convicted?? No. Never convicted!
 
2012-04-23 12:32:19 PM
These Trayvon threads should really start with a disclaimer that if you are STILL complaining about the term "White hispanic", you are a willfully ignorant racist.

And by the way, if any of you haven't ignored DavidVincent, do so now, because he's an unapologetic, openly vehement racist. To the point that he thinks his racism is totally okay. Which is, like, five racism levels above "willfully ignorant".
 
2012-04-23 12:33:33 PM

Headso: way south: Killing the neighborhood watchman after threatening to kill him is more like premeditated murder than vigilantism

That's the problem with living in a state where you can kill people even if you start a confrontation and then you feel threatened after they start kicking your ass. Anyone can say they feel threatened for their life and if the other person involved is dead only one side of the story is told.


That laws got little to do with it.

If I walk up to you and start shouting, and you push me, and I push back, and suddenly we're on the ground wrestling over a knife... a killing is likely to happen.
Nothing a politician says can prevent that.

What the law says is You can't fault the victor for preventing his opponent from killing him. He can be guilty of starting the fight, and that's worth some jail time, but there's no charge for refusing to become a corpse.

Whether Tray intended to kill Martin or not isn't something that Martin could have judged properly after being wounded, and certainly not if Tray made the first swing or reached for the weapon. Quite a few cops have been shot with their own guns like this.
...and that part is Zimmerman's story to tell.

This is why using murder 2 is total bullshiat that wont bring justice to anyone. Its an accidental killing. The law should have pursued Zimmerman for showing bad judgement in getting within arms reach of Martin with a gun on his person. Instead we're going to examine why Martin (who was walking away) didn't just keep walking.
The answer will be teenage stupidity.

Involving 2nd amendment rights or syg laws is an attempt to cloud the issue by those who really don't care if Zim walks or not. They just got a hair up their arse about people defending themselves.
 
2012-04-23 12:34:34 PM

jso2897: DavidVincent: Joe Blowme: Your cries of "everyone is racist" is a dog whistle that you are a racist.


What so bad being race conscious? White people are the only people trying to "overcome" this tragic flaw. We have laws in the US to guarantee equal access to employment and other important things. So what's the big deal? In that last 10 years "racism" has surpassed the 10 commandments as the ulitmate sin. How did that happen? Race/tribe exists. Get over it.

[realtybyjm.files.wordpress.com image 521x485]

Why? Tribalism, murder, enslavement, human sacrifice, cannibalism - these are all things that "come naturally" to human beings. Indeed, stripped of the restraints of civilized society, a human being is little but a killer ape.
So what?
There is a sizable contingent of humanity (a large majority, actually, as the very existence of civilization evinces) who do not wish to think or behave as animals. And over the centuries, they keep winning, as human society ever so imperceptibly improves.
The rest of us are moving forward - lead, follow - or get out of the way.



Who of another race is going to join you? As I said White People are the only people that work hard to believe Race doesn't exist. It's the sound of one hand clapping.

Do a Google search for Jewish Dating, I got "About 19,700,000 results". Do a Google search for white dating and I get mostly interacial dating results. then try Asian, Black, Hispanic dating. That is certainly not a scientific test but it is indicative of the reality.

Now because one believes that race exists, doesn't mean one supports genocide. Is that hard to grasp? It is just ackowledging one of the realities of the world.

You believe in a fairy tales.
 
2012-04-23 12:35:09 PM

Silly Jesus:
DROxINxTHExWIND: And quote, "I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this". But, you knew that.

You're still being a moron.


By going back and forth with you clowns? I agree.
 
2012-04-23 12:35:11 PM

KanedaJD: So I was on business in San Jose recently. Our client had been evicted from their office building for nonpayment of rent (financial troubles), and so we found ourselves working out of the CFO's house in a nice little neighborhood.

We had been there for a few days, and the weather was nice (not so great back in Detroit) so I decided to take a walk. Just get some sunshine and fresh air for a few minutes.

Anyway, as I was walking down the sidewalk, a car pulled up next to me. The driver rolled down their window and asked me who I was. I explained that I was here on business, working at the house down the way, and I was just walking a bit to get some fresh air. They acknowledged and said they had never seen me before, and they were just checking. I said I was from Michigan, and I understand, no worries, I'd be back with the client in a few minutes. We said our goodbyes and were both on our way.

Fast forward a day or two- when another neighbor, outside, did the same thing as I was taking a walk- asked who I was and what I was doing.

So here's my question. Should I have beat these guy's asses? Smashed heads into the sidewalk? Tell them if they don't got problems that THEY DO NOW? I mean, these motherfarkas have the balls to ask ME what the fark I am doing in they hood? Don't they know that I'm the NO_LIMIT_CRACKA? It none of they business and biatches need to PAY for interrupting my day


I'm not disputing the right of a person in public to speak to another. What I find disturbing about your account is how happy you seem to expect people to explain themselves whenever a random person asks you what you are up to.

///Papers, please?
 
2012-04-23 12:35:35 PM

EWreckedSean: Forget the obvious pictures of Zimmerman's head gushing blood. Nothing to see here.


-Back of head wet from ground
-Bleeding from scalp wound, which bleed like crazy

Even under those conditions, the blood in that picture was a damned trickle. I've bled more shaving in the shower. It's still a wound, but you don't need to lie about it.
 
2012-04-23 12:35:49 PM
Pro-Zimmerman playbook:
1. Make genuinely racist statements.
2. Declare that the "race card" has been played when you get called on it.
3. GOTO 1
 
2012-04-23 12:36:22 PM

CalvinMorallis: Silly Jesus: CalvinMorallis: 9beers: CalvinMorallis: *Zimmerman's demonstrated history of violence
*The account of the girlfriend on the phone
*The audio experts who say it was likely Martin screaming for help, and not Zimmerman
*The witness who told Anderson Cooper that Zimmerman seemed unharmed after the confrontation
*The multiple witnesses who claim the police tried to coach their stories

*Zimmerman was defending a friend from somebody he didn't know was an undercover cop
*Even if the girlfriend can be believed, what does she say that proves anything?
*The lead investigator said in court that voice biometrics did not positively ID the screams
*That witness was from a distance and admits to only seeing silhouettes
*There was one witness that said that officers corrected her when she said it was Martin yelling for help. She didn't see anything until after the shooting.

oh, boy, this can be fun.

*Since he didn't know the guy was a cop, that makes it less violent?
*If we believe her, then we believe that Martin was being followed, which directly contradicts the whole Zimmerman-was-innocently-returning-to-his-truck-when-he-was-jumped narrative of the week.
*This voice expert begs to differ
*What's the criteria for dismissing one witness completely, and taking the word of another as gospel?

*It doesn't make it less violent, but it definitely makes it seem more reasonable than saying "he attacked a cop" as though he was in uniform. If you were in a bar with your friend and a nondescript guy jumped on him what would you do? Pee your pants and run away squealing?
*Her saying that Martin stated that he was being followed came at the beginning when Zimmerman was indeed trying to keep an eye on him. It has nothing to do with later in the timeline when ZImmerman claimed to be returning to his truck.
*That voice expert doesn't matter. The prosecution is the one arguing the case and they evidently don't think that it will stand up in court and have stated that they wo ...


The cop thing is BS. He didn't know he was a cop and he was defending a friend from, as far as he knew, a random stranger. Repeating this story only weakens your argument.

Ok, he slapped someone. We don't know the whole story, but maybe he has a temper. One slap is a hell of a long way from second degree murder though.

And this is what you've got to show that Zimmerman was a historically violent man.

So, basically, you've got that he slapped someone once and we don't know any details about it. Remember, he filed a restraining order against her too.

It's about as weak as the arguments assaulting the character of Martin.
 
2012-04-23 12:37:11 PM

kingoomieiii: These Trayvon threads should really start with a disclaimer that if you are STILL complaining about the term "White hispanic", you are a willfully ignorant racist.

And by the way, if any of you haven't ignored DavidVincent, do so now, because he's an unapologetic, openly vehement racist. To the point that he thinks his racism is totally okay. Which is, like, five racism levels above "willfully ignorant".



Define racism and I will let you know if I think it is OK or not.
 
2012-04-23 12:39:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus: DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus: DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus:

Yep, there we are, all 39 million of us in lock step behind Jesse Jackson. You got me. I guess Sarah Palin is President.

Ah, I guess you were using hyperbole then, because the picture directly contradicted this statement of yours....

"I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this. Look, BLACK people don't even listen to those two..."

and I just couldn't resist.

Cheers, mate.

Allow me to help you with the part of that statement you seem to be having the most trouble with. Or, is it your contention that I HAVE seen the photo before?

Yes, I'm sure that's how you meant it and you didn't make that statement to imply that he wasn't there. You're a joke.


No, my point was that you all run with this Sharpton/Jackson shiat in EVERY situation involving a black person no matter how involved Jackson or Sharpton are. And quote, "I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this". But, you knew that.


Dro...usually I find your posts to be well thought out, and you usually have very valid points. However, you're digging yourself a hole here and you should probably just stop. The comment that you haven't seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this is absurd, and you shouldn't get all butt-hurt just because someone calls you out on it.

/lurker
//carry on
 
2012-04-23 12:40:19 PM
If only the lynch mob was focused on the right folks....ALEC and their legislators for coming up with this mess of a bill that allows someone to kill an unarmed kid and get away with it.
 
2012-04-23 12:40:48 PM

DavidVincent: As I said White People are the only people that work hard to believe Race doesn't exist.


I fully accept race exists. I'm white, other people are black, or asian, whatever. That's not racist.

I also think you take pride in your ability to pre-judge people based on it, and that you think that's a mark of intelligence. THAT is what's racist about you. Not your impressive ability to determine by sight if someone is of African ancestry, but your assumption that you need to be more cautious around that person because of it.
 
2012-04-23 12:41:15 PM
I don't know art but I know what I like.

28.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-04-23 12:41:33 PM

kingoomieiii: EWreckedSean: Forget the obvious pictures of Zimmerman's head gushing blood. Nothing to see here.

-Back of head wet from ground
-Bleeding from scalp wound, which bleed like crazy

Even under those conditions, the blood in that picture was a damned trickle. I've bled more shaving in the shower. It's still a wound, but you don't need to lie about it.


I've hit my head on a concrete driveway so hard that I blacked out briefly (basketball game). I bled less than Zimmerman. What's your point?
 
2012-04-23 12:43:41 PM

Nuclear Monk: If only the lynch mob was focused on the right folks....ALEC and their legislators for coming up with this mess of a bill that allows someone to kill an unarmed kid and get away with it.


.5/10
 
2012-04-23 12:46:40 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Silly Jesus:
DROxINxTHExWIND: And quote, "I haven't even seen Jesse Jackson anywhere near this". But, you knew that.

You're still being a moron.

By going back and forth with you clowns? I agree.


Dude, you said something stupid and got pwned for it. Happens to us all.

But now you're just being a whiny idiot.
 
2012-04-23 12:47:29 PM

kingoomieiii: DavidVincent: As I said White People are the only people that work hard to believe Race doesn't exist.

I fully accept race exists. I'm white, other people are black, or asian, whatever. That's not racist.

I also think you take pride in your ability to pre-judge people based on it, and that you think that's a mark of intelligence. THAT is what's racist about you. Not your impressive ability to determine by sight if someone is of African ancestry, but your assumption that you need to be more cautious around that person because of it.


You almost had it. The word you're looking for when you keep repeating racist is prejudice.

Everyone prejudges situations everyday.

As to your last point... I've never understood people calling statistics racist.
 
2012-04-23 12:47:37 PM

DavidVincent: Define racism and I will let you know if I think it is OK or not.


Pre-judgement based on race.

Like walking up to an asian person and asking them about Jeremy Lin or where to get good chinese food, under the assumption that it's relevant to them. (Caveat- asking an asian person for directions in, say, Japan is not racist).

Or assuming that a black teen in a mall is more of a threat to your wallet or health than the white teen he's there with.
 
2012-04-23 12:49:53 PM

kingoomieiii: DavidVincent: Define racism and I will let you know if I think it is OK or not.

Pre-judgement based on race.

Like walking up to an asian person and asking them about Jeremy Lin or where to get good chinese food, under the assumption that it's relevant to them. (Caveat- asking an asian person for directions in, say, Japan is not racist).

Or assuming that a black teen in a mall is more of a threat to your wallet or health than the white teen he's there with
.


Strictly statistically speaking, he is.
 
2012-04-23 12:50:15 PM

Silly Jesus: I've never understood people calling statistics racist.


Could it be because racists use subjective data to reinforce stereotypes they already hold, regardless of the causes and forces behind crime statistics? No, that couldn't be it.
 
2012-04-23 12:51:24 PM

kingoomieiii: DavidVincent: As I said White People are the only people that work hard to believe Race doesn't exist.

I fully accept race exists. I'm white, other people are black, or asian, whatever. That's not racist.

I also think you take pride in your ability to pre-judge people based on it, and that you think that's a mark of intelligence. THAT is what's racist about you. Not your impressive ability to determine by sight if someone is of African ancestry, but your assumption that you need to be more cautious around that person because of it.



I have no problem with how you characterize me. The only quibble is that I don't think it is necessarily a "mark of intelligence" to pre-judge people. In my case, I would more or less chalk it up not watching TV for 20 years. I respect you for keeping it dispassionate and rational.
 
2012-04-23 12:52:26 PM

kingoomieiii: Silly Jesus: I've never understood people calling statistics racist.

Could it be because racists use subjective data to reinforce stereotypes they already hold, regardless of the causes and forces behind crime statistics? No, that couldn't be it.


So the FBI crime stats are racist?

I'm not arguing that race CAUSES the crimes, but it is a major identifier for the things that do most contribute to crime (poverty, single parent household etc.).
 
2012-04-23 12:52:53 PM

way south: They just got a hair up their arse about people defending themselves.


Fark is probably not the best place to comment on this, but oh, well....

It seems all too common (especially in politically-charged statements) for someone to say that someone else -- the opposition, naturally -- wants/feels/believes something irrational. The basic concept seems to be that if someone disagrees with me, it can't be that they have the same goal but weight the facts differently, and reach a different conclusion; it has to be, apparently, that they don't think like a rational human being (otherwise they'd agree with me!) and therefore they want ... well, something. Something irrational. Probably something evil.

It's great for the echo chamber, but it doesn't do much for getting the job done and maintaining a civil society.
 
2012-04-23 12:53:53 PM

kingoomieiii: Like walking up to an asian person and asking them about Jeremy Lin or where to get good chinese food


OOPS. Thanks for telling me NOW. ; - )
 
2012-04-23 12:53:56 PM

QuesoDelicioso: Pro-Zimmerman playbook:
1. Make genuinely racist statements.
2. Declare that the "race card" has been played when you get called on it.
3. GOTO 1


Good point. It's not fair to say Zimmerman is a racist and racially profiled Trayvon Martin because the kid was wearing a hoodie. Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.
 
2012-04-23 12:55:12 PM

gimmegimme: Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.


Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.
 
2012-04-23 12:57:17 PM

Silly Jesus: So the FBI crime stats are racist?


Using them to make assumptions about people is racist.
 
2012-04-23 12:57:36 PM

kingoomieiii: gimmegimme: Zimmerman likely had no idea of the race of the person he was stalking.

Based on his previous 40-something calls to the police to report black people being near him, I tentatively disagree.


I'm sure he was terrified then while he was mentoring that troubled black teenager and working with the black community to get justice for that beaten black man. As obviously afraid of and prejudiced toward black people as he was I'm not sure how he didn't have a heart attack during those tutoring sessions and rallies.
 
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