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(WPTV)   Not News: Guy arrested at McDonald's. News: He was charged with a felony and faces five years in prison. Fark: He was arrested because he asked for a cup of water, but put soda in it instead   (wptv.com) divider line 55
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2012-04-23 10:48:02 AM
6 votes:

ArkAngel: In Florida, rape and child molestation are first degree felonies, punishable by up to life in prison.


Rape (attempted assault with intent to ravish female) Felony, Up to $5000 Fine &/or Up to 5 Yrs Pen.

Grand Larceny (over $300) Felony, Up to $5000 Fine &/or Up to 5 Years Pen.


I think we can agree that it's absurd to be facing five years in the poke for stealing a farking soda that cost the victim less than a cent.
2012-04-23 10:07:14 AM
6 votes:

Grables'Daughter: Yeah, but the guy has several petty theft convictions in the past, thus the felony charge.

AND the manager asked him to pay for the soda. He refused and cursed at him.

AND the manager asked him to leave, he refused.

So there's that.


Felony larceny, though? really? How about disturbing the peace? Shoplifting? Trespassing?

Charging him with a third degree felony is stupid beyond belief. He's facing the same penalty as a child abuser and rapist. That's absurd.
2012-04-23 09:09:28 AM
4 votes:
Yeah, but the guy has several petty theft convictions in the past, thus the felony charge.

AND the manager asked him to pay for the soda. He refused and cursed at him.

AND the manager asked him to leave, he refused.

So there's that.
2012-04-23 11:51:47 AM
3 votes:
Well.... it wasn't like they arrested him for the purpose of charging him with felony theft... They actually arrested him for misdemeanor theft, but since he's a repeat offending dickbag the charge was automatically increased due to his previous convictions. In essence, he's not so much facing jail for stealing a soda, he's facing jail for repeatedly thieving. And I'm guessing considering the details they won't be giving him the max sentence.... though since this is Florida you never know.

Plus he was a douche about it too. The manager asked him to make good on it, and then this guy cursed the manager out. When the manager then asked him to leave he refused. I'm having an awful hard time feeling bad for a guy so determined to make his own bed. Even after he got caught with his petty theft he still had every opportunity to not get arrested and instead he chose to be a dick.
2012-04-23 11:43:21 AM
3 votes:

DmGdDawg: I don't know how they would know. Sprite looks EXACTLY like water.


If your regular water is fizzing when it comes out of the tap, call the EPA
2012-04-23 11:42:18 AM
3 votes:
To be fair, I've always thought that the people who do this are incredibly petty. And you know:

During a conversation with the manager, Abaire declined to pay for the soda, valued at $1, refused to leave the premises, and cursed at the manager, the report stated.

He didn't just sneak a sip of lemonade and cops swarmed him. He's an idiot and an asshole. I'm not saying he should go to jail for 5 years, but I'm not too torn up that he got slammed with some charges.
2012-04-23 11:40:09 AM
3 votes:
What a delightful waste of time and money. Following a successful prosecution he will be released, steal another cup of soda, and end up in prison for life. What a wonderful justice system.

How about a rehabilitation program to help find out why he acts this way and help him get back on his feet? Nah, that's too compassionate for Amurika.
2012-04-23 11:38:27 AM
3 votes:
he should counter sue because the clerk failed to recognize his intoxication as a disability. Alcohol fueled frenzy impairs ability to manipulate the water lever at the refill station at McD's.
2012-04-23 12:42:54 PM
2 votes:
CSB time:

Had some interesting conversations while working at the BUX and chatting with people heading off to work. One couple were a husband and wife team that both worked at the county jail. Told me this story:

Guy gets arrested, which is no major surprise seeing as he's been in and out of jail since he was 14 or so. They process him for release, and he doesn't want to go. He's institutionalized and simply CAN NOT make it on his own. Refuses to leave the lobby and they "help" him to the door. Guy walks two blocks, sees a cruiser headed for the jail for shift change, and proceeds to rummage through his backpack. With few choices, he grabs a nice big bottle of cheap cologne and wings it at the squad car. Within twenty minutes of being released, he's back in the pokey, where he wanted to be all along.

Long story short:: Y'all been trollllllllllled. While you're here arguing the merits of why or why not serial douche-man should have been arrested, he's sitting on his bunk having three squares a day without the worry of where he's going to sleep tonight. Of all the things he could have done to get put back in, I'd like to give him a high five for picking something so innocuous.
2012-04-23 12:20:03 PM
2 votes:
Sympathy fail. Read TFA. This guy is not only a douche, he's a serial drunken douche. Earlier attempts by authorities to get him to stop being a douche have failed, and the time has come to up the ante. I'm amused by all the douche-lovers in this thread who think they should let the douche continue being a douche because he "only took a dollar". Bullshiat. Rules are rules. You break the rules, you pay the price. Stop being a douche. Douche douche dooshie douche.

/Did I mention that the guy is a douche?
2012-04-23 11:51:40 AM
2 votes:
Over a farking dollar! A single dollar! Society has failed when we're locking up people over a drink worth a farking dollar. It's beyond absurd and everyone involved in his arrest should be fired.
2012-04-23 11:49:00 AM
2 votes:
Submitted First With a Better Headline: To be fair, I've always thought that the people who do this are incredibly petty. And you know:

During a conversation with the manager, Abaire declined to pay for the soda, valued at $1, refused to leave the premises, and cursed at the manager, the report stated.

He didn't just sneak a sip of lemonade and cops swarmed him. He's an idiot and an asshole. I'm not saying he should go to jail for 5 years, but I'm not too torn up that he got slammed with some charges.


And, of course, the "up to" part is important - just because he's convicted, doesn't mean the judge hands him the maximum sentence. More likely, he'll get a slap on the wrist, a suspended sentence, and a warning that, the next time he decides to steal anything, he'll spend that sentence in prison.

For folks who don't like the rather nasty escalation, stop voting in politicians who keep screaming they're "tough on crime," and actually vote in politicians willing to spend money on rehab and other social supports. You're still spending the money - you're just giving it to the owners of privately-run prisons, instead of to folks that actually do some good with it.
2012-04-23 11:43:30 AM
2 votes:

Babwa Wawa: ArkAngel: In Florida, rape and child molestation are first degree felonies, punishable by up to life in prison.

Rape (attempted assault with intent to ravish female) Felony, Up to $5000 Fine &/or Up to 5 Yrs Pen.

Grand Larceny (over $300) Felony, Up to $5000 Fine &/or Up to 5 Years Pen.

I think we can agree that it's absurd to be facing five years in the poke for stealing a farking soda that cost the victim less than a cent.


You arn't familar with cop/RIIA math. Sure the cost is less than a cent, but the VALUE is $2.50, then there is all the unlimited refills, and that it encourages others to ask for a water cup and fill with soda. This one guy just cost not only this McDonalds, but every fast food company in the country - no - world, up to ONE BRAZILLION DOLLARS!!11!!1!
2012-04-23 11:37:24 AM
2 votes:
I think we can agree the cost of locking this guy up is in the state's best interest.
2012-04-23 11:18:23 AM
2 votes:

Babwa Wawa: ArkAngel: In Florida, rape and child molestation are first degree felonies, punishable by up to life in prison.

Rape (attempted assault with intent to ravish female) Felony, Up to $5000 Fine &/or Up to 5 Yrs Pen.

Grand Larceny (over $300) Felony, Up to $5000 Fine &/or Up to 5 Years Pen.

I think we can agree that it's absurd to be facing five years in the poke for stealing a farking soda that cost the victim less than a cent.


Next time try checking the actual Florida statute books.

Aggravated child molestation is a capital offense (or at least it was until Kennedy v. Louisiana, guess they haven't updated their laws). Aggravated rape (using a weapon) or rape of a child is a life offense (minimum life in prison). Rape of a special victim (old person, handicapped, cop, drugged out, or threatened) is a first degree felony (30 years to life). Standard rape is a second degree felony (15 years).

In addition, if they are deemed a "dangerous sexual felony offender" (violent, causing harm, using weapons, attacked multiple people, on parole/probation), they have a minimum of 25 to life. Plus, in Florida, rapists/molesters aren't subject to "good behavior" sentence reduction.

Sexual assault statutes
Sentencing statutes
2012-04-23 10:10:40 PM
1 votes:
This guy stole MILLION$$ from the taxpayers and they made him Governor
whatwouldjackdo.net

I guess life is full of these little injustices
2012-04-23 07:35:14 PM
1 votes:
There was a similar case here in CA a few years back where a guy got his 3rd Strike (and 25 years) for stealing a piece of pizza. There was the normal bleeding heart outrage, until the facts started to come out. Not only did he steal a piece of pizza - he stole it off the plate of a teenage boy and then challenged him to do something about it.

Here, you have an idiot who has had multiple run-ins with the law. He blatantly steals something, and then when confronted, instead of being contrite or trying to rectify the situation, instead decided to get belligerent and create a scene. This is what is known as a habitual offender. The cost of what was stolen is irrelevant. Theft is theft.

Interesting how many people are willing to look the other way with McDonalds money. Wonder how many would feel the same way about this dipshiat coming and taking a soda out of their fridge every day. And if he can do it, why can't his friends? After all, wouldn't defending your property would cost you more than just letting them take it.
2012-04-23 04:22:18 PM
1 votes:
In soda economics, the cup costs more than the drink. Only by subsidizing it by having a Coca-Cola ad plastered on the side, does the cost drop down to the 2-3 cent range.

The REAL crime is the fries. The large fries have 50% more fries than the small, yet cost 100% more!
2012-04-23 03:25:05 PM
1 votes:
While his charge is petty theft, because of previous petty theft convictions, the charge for drinking the unpaid-for soda was increased from a misdemeanor to a felony.

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2012-04-23 02:57:26 PM
1 votes:

Grables'Daughter: beefoe: 217 posts and not a single mention of THIS?

"Sip stealing. Not a felony in all 50 states"

Given that it was a McDonalds probably was a Coca Cola product so I think this guy has a case!

Huh?

What is 'sip stealing'?

I mentioned it before.
"The companies who make the product advertise people doing it.Link"

Hence my penchant for the idea of soda having little value.
2012-04-23 02:47:20 PM
1 votes:
downstairs: TyrantII: There's a reason why we don't jail people for breaking the speed limit, jaywalking, ect. Petty theft is petty, and not really worth the cost to prosecute and jail, even if it's still morally wrong. If it moves up from petty theft, then sure, it makes sense.

Yeah, but once you're a repeat offender, you're a bigger problem to society than a kid who steals a pack of baseball cards.

The whole concept of petty theft is... you do something small and stupid, you get a slap on the write. But if you keep doing it, you're more of a danger to society most likely.

He's not going to get 5 years, but if he keeps it up maybe he does diserve 5 years.


Who's worse, the kid who keeps stealing the $0.50 basketball cards, or the one that moves on to more expensive things to steal / worse crime.

Sure some dude continues to take $1 sodas is marginally worse, but there's a key word in that sentence. Short stints in jail with the option to replay the cost of the crime makes more sense then felony imprisonment after 3 strikes of petty theft.
2012-04-23 01:51:06 PM
1 votes:
algrant33: TyrantII: Putting this guy in jail at a cost of $75K a year for 5 years for stealing something valued at $1, that could be written off the stores books for $0.32.... and that's not even mentioning court and prosecution fees.

Forget right or wrong. This is insane.

Is the state going to take care of the $0.32 writeoff?


Good question.

But it does go to illustrate a point.

McD's goes along and wants the guy put in jail for $0.32, state does to the tune of 75K a year, then the state taxes McD's and McD's customers to pay for douchebags stay in jail. McD's is worse off, citizens are worse off, dude in jail is worse off. all for a stupid, cheap ass soda.

Game theory folks. AKA, just let it go.

Risk mitigation, not risk free (or in this case cost). Otherwise you run up exponential costs, and diminishing returns, and bankrupt your institutions.
2012-04-23 01:46:30 PM
1 votes:
InfernalCatfish: As far as the people defending this d-bag, I really don't understand this. The punishment is not going to be based purely on the cost of a soda, nor should it be. First of all, he's a habitual thief. Secondly it's not just a matter of stealing a soda and that's it. First, he asks for a free water cup, and that's where the theft takes place. Then, when the manager catches him and calls him out for the stinkin' dollar, he refuses and acts belligerent and angry, like he's somehow entitled to the damn soda. The dude brought this on himself. Plus, he was only arrested for petty theft. It's his history of theft that got him this increased charge. The asshole deserves what he gets.

There's a reason why we don't jail people for breaking the speed limit, jaywalking, ect. Petty theft is petty, and not really worth the cost to prosecute and jail, even if it's still morally wrong. If it moves up from petty theft, then sure, it makes sense.

It's why most states have a felony level of theft, usually around $3-500.

We got bigger issues to worry about and bigger bills to pay. This guy stole what amounts to penny candy years ago, and we think it's a good idea to put him in prison for 5 years on the taxpayers dime for hat would amount to sending a FL kid to Havard?

Why not slap him with a fine or community service, a nice stay in the drunk tank for a few days, and focus on the more important things?

Give them the option to reimburse the guy + 50%, or spend 10 days in jail. For a $1.50, he'll find the change.
2012-04-23 01:36:19 PM
1 votes:
Grables'Daughter: Yeah, but the guy has several petty theft convictions in the past, thus the felony charge.

AND the manager asked him to pay for the soda. He refused and cursed at him.

AND the manager asked him to leave, he refused.

So there's that.


At some point the cost of going after petty theft doesn't make sense for the state or the punishment.

Putting this guy in jail at a cost of $75K a year for 5 years for stealing something valued at $1, that could be written off the stores books for $0.32.... and that's not even mentioning court and prosecution fees.

Forget right or wrong. This is insane.
2012-04-23 01:23:14 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mearen: Over a farking dollar! A single dollar! Society has failed when we're locking up people over a drink worth a farking dollar. It's beyond absurd and everyone involved in his arrest should be fired.

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felony, loss of right to vote over a soft drink, and yet some crackheads in this thread think this crap is perfectly fine.


I blame the media and pundits. They have gotten very good at convincing stupid people that any argument or stupid policy is legitimate or justifiable. My fear is that they're raising an entire generation of trolls who will do the same. If a policy seems in line with their "side's" ideology, they'll defend it as a good idea, reason be damned.
2012-04-23 01:17:28 PM
1 votes:

Carousel Beast: And frankly, your entire argument boils down to :don't prosecute theft. It will (99% of the time) always cost more to prosecute a thief than the value of the goods stolen. It's a ridiculous argument, and the more so because I'm quite sure you don't leave your doors unlocked and your valuables in sight whenever you leave somewhere.


How the hell do you get "don't prosecute theft" out of that? Three strikes rules are completely asinine. The span of penalties for misdemeanors covers the common sense punishment for a recidivist shoplifter. Misdemeanors exist for a reason. Use them.
2012-04-23 01:16:33 PM
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: Carousel Beast: When are you going to remove your head from your ass and actually acknowledge the recidivism aspect to this case?

OK, I'll say this AGAIN, but I don't know why, because you're not reading. I never said the court shouldn't consider past convictions.

The guy's an asshole. He's a recidivist petty thief. He deserves punishment - days, weeks or months in jail and on a work gang.

But five years in prison is ridiculous. We know he won't get that, precisely BECAUSE it is ridiculous.



I'd give up at this point. Our entire point is "it's ridiculous that he's facing felony charges for this," and the response is "OMG you don't think stealing should be illegal?!?!?!?!"

I'm convinced half of the people in here are mildly retarded.
2012-04-23 01:09:27 PM
1 votes:

Carth: mongbiohazard: Carth: jst3p: Carth: This guy can steal a soda every day for the next five years and it will still cost less than it will to convict and incarcerate him for a few months.

So we should only prosecute crime when there is profit in it?

No, but we should try to make sure the crime's punishment is proportional to society's cost.

I never advocated no punishing him just that 5 years in jail isn't proportional to the crime committed.


1. He's in trouble for repeated theft, not just for stealing a soda
2. He will most likely not get 5 years in jail, that's just what's allowable by law for multiple convictions of petty theft there
3. He could have avoided arrest AND still enjoyed his stolen soda had he just left when he was asked

Maybe I'm out of line but I think we should have another category of theft for items under $5 where conviction results in a few dozen hours community service and restitution of the cost to the seller.


I'd go for that. Even thought his moron is a repeat offender, I don't think locking him up is the answer. I think putting him to work in a soup kitchen or picking up trash might help him realize his time might be worth more than a liter o' cola.
2012-04-23 01:04:12 PM
1 votes:

algrant33: Babwa Wawa: algrant33: No, Pedantically Ignoring The Circumstances Man.

Petit theft (Stealing product worth less than $300) after multiple convictions of petit theft (as in, at least two prior) is a 3rd degree felony. He would be a habitual offender.

OK, Law and Order Dude. Where did I say he doesn't deserve any punishment? Where did I say that past convictions shouldn't be considered?

The argument that multiple misdemeanors make a felony is ridiculous. It results in situations such as this, where the potential punishment is completely out of line with the crime. It makes a mockery of the justice system.

Smacking someone with a misdemeanor is the court's way of giving the guy a chance to take notice of his actions and rehabilitate himself into a conforming member of society.

After about the third misdemeanor conviction for the same crime, the court recognizes that the guy's not interested in rehabilitating himself and lays the more punitive smackdown, since he didn't seem to get the message the first three times.

Laying down a felony charge for such a seemingly innocuous crime is specifically done accounting for prior convictions. To take the position that "it's only a seven-cent cup of soda" is to be ignorant of the circumstances that led to the felony charge in the first place. It WASN'T just a seven-cent cup of soda. It's a thief who has demonstrated that he doesn't want to stop being a thief.


Everyone here is well-aware of the "but, he has priors!" line of argument. It dosn't make the fact that he is facing felony charges for stealing a few cents of soda syrup any less ridiculous. All you're telling everyone is why he is facing felony charges under Florida law. We could give two shiats about that - every sane person here thinks that it's absolutely absurd to spend thousands of dollars trying and incarcerating a man - potentially for 5 years -- because he stole a couple cents worth of soda. It doesn't matter if he previously murdered a baby, because that's not what his present charges relate to. "Three strikes" type laws are simplistic, stupid, don't work, and massively overburden society and the prison system.
2012-04-23 12:55:26 PM
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: algrant33: No, Pedantically Ignoring The Circumstances Man.

Petit theft (Stealing product worth less than $300) after multiple convictions of petit theft (as in, at least two prior) is a 3rd degree felony. He would be a habitual offender.

OK, Law and Order Dude. Where did I say he doesn't deserve any punishment? Where did I say that past convictions shouldn't be considered?

The argument that multiple misdemeanors make a felony is ridiculous. It results in situations such as this, where the potential punishment is completely out of line with the crime. It makes a mockery of the justice system.


Smacking someone with a misdemeanor is the court's way of giving the guy a chance to take notice of his actions and rehabilitate himself into a conforming member of society.

After about the third misdemeanor conviction for the same crime, the court recognizes that the guy's not interested in rehabilitating himself and lays the more punitive smackdown, since he didn't seem to get the message the first three times.

Laying down a felony charge for such a seemingly innocuous crime is specifically done accounting for prior convictions. To take the position that "it's only a seven-cent cup of soda" is to be ignorant of the circumstances that led to the felony charge in the first place. It WASN'T just a seven-cent cup of soda. It's a thief who has demonstrated that he doesn't want to stop being a thief.
2012-04-23 12:43:13 PM
1 votes:

mongbiohazard: Carth: jst3p: Carth: This guy can steal a soda every day for the next five years and it will still cost less than it will to convict and incarcerate him for a few months.

So we should only prosecute crime when there is profit in it?

No, but we should try to make sure the crime's punishment is proportional to society's cost.

I never advocated no punishing him just that 5 years in jail isn't proportional to the crime committed.


1. He's in trouble for repeated theft, not just for stealing a soda
2. He will most likely not get 5 years in jail, that's just what's allowable by law for multiple convictions of petty theft there
3. He could have avoided arrest AND still enjoyed his stolen soda had he just left when he was asked


Maybe I'm out of line but I think we should have another category of theft for items under $5 where conviction results in a few dozen hours community service and restitution of the cost to the seller.
2012-04-23 12:41:59 PM
1 votes:

Your Boss: Mc D's, and restaurants in general, should be charged for price gouging when it only costs them 11 cents to product that $1.00 32 oz pop. Fark the price of gas, we should be outraged about the mark-ups on pop!


You ARE farking kidding, right? You want some government bureaucracy to decide what is a "reasonable" profit on an item by item basis, and file charges against violators? OK, so you have just turned every business in the country into a regulated industry, which means a disaster for the economy and the nation.

Prices and profits are best regulated by a free, competitive market. It has always been so and always will be.
2012-04-23 12:40:35 PM
1 votes:

Carth: jst3p: Carth: This guy can steal a soda every day for the next five years and it will still cost less than it will to convict and incarcerate him for a few months.

So we should only prosecute crime when there is profit in it?

No, but we should try to make sure the crime's punishment is proportional to society's cost.

I never advocated no punishing him just that 5 years in jail isn't proportional to the crime committed.



1. He's in trouble for repeated theft, not just for stealing a soda
2. He will most likely not get 5 years in jail, that's just what's allowable by law for multiple convictions of petty theft there
3. He could have avoided arrest AND still enjoyed his stolen soda had he just left when he was asked
2012-04-23 12:35:31 PM
1 votes:

Babwa Wawa: Would you agree it's less than a dollar? Does stealing something worth less than a dollar warrant the same punishment as child abuse?


I wouldn't think so. Good thing he's not just being punished for stealing something worth less than a dollar.
2012-04-23 12:30:33 PM
1 votes:

thecpt: mongbiohazard: thecpt: Aside from the swearing and stuff thing, who hasn't done that?

/my friends always said it was like stealing and I should feel guilty.
//never did


/raises hand

I've never done it. Hell, I'd wager most people have never done it. It's a freakin' soda, cheapskate. Pay your dollar or bring your own.

I was in high school and had 5 dollars for dinner between lifting and varsity basketball.
Mentioned before: maybe another side of the story.



It's not like nobody else ever went to high school and was strapped for cash too, you know. Most people have been in that same boat, actually.

And the other side to the story is mentioned in TFA. The manager first asked him to pay, when the guy refused he also got biatchy and started cussing out the manager. The guy was then asked to leave, and he refused. THAT was really what did him in. If he'd have just left when he was asked instead of acting like a dick he never would have been arrested, and then he never would have run afoul of the multiple convictions provision in the law.

If all he did was sneak some soda, sure I would feel like taking him to jail was excessive, and a waste of time. But once he started being a belligerent douche about it and then refusing to leave when asked I lost sympathy. It's not like he didn't know about his prior convictions too, they didn't surprise him with that shiat out of thin air all of a sudden. He totally farked himself.
2012-04-23 12:30:27 PM
1 votes:

stevejovi: Sympathy fail. Read TFA. This guy is not only a douche, he's a serial drunken douche. Earlier attempts by authorities to get him to stop being a douche have failed, and the time has come to up the ante. I'm amused by all the douche-lovers in this thread who think they should let the douche continue being a douche because he "only took a dollar". Bullshiat. Rules are rules. You break the rules, you pay the price. Stop being a douche. Douche douche dooshie douche.

/Did I mention that the guy is a douche?


Have I mentioned yet that this train of thought is a blight upon civilized society? That you, sir, are a blight on society at large? You're advocating sending someone to federal prison for 60 months over a $1 drink. Just because he didn't flee immediately or lick the asshole of the manager who confronted him is not a good enough reason for sending someone to federal prison for 60 months.

You contribute nothing and society would be far better off, if everyone who has these sorts of thoughts, such as yourself, were to suddenly disappear and / or die immediately.

Did I mention that yet? I meant to.
2012-04-23 12:27:29 PM
1 votes:

Your Boss: Mc D's, and restaurants in general, should be charged for price gouging when it only costs them 11 cents to product that $1.00 32 oz pop. Fark the price of gas, we should be outraged about the mark-ups on pop!


Don't like the prices, don't go there, snowflake. You aren't entitled to anything.
2012-04-23 12:25:47 PM
1 votes:
One thing I could never stand was to see a filthy, dirty old drunkie, howling away at the filthy songs of his fathers and going blurp blurp in between as it might be a filthy old orchestra in his stinking, rotten guts. I could never stand to see anyone like that, whatever his age might be, but more especially when he was real old like this one was.
2012-04-23 12:18:38 PM
1 votes:
The damage this criminal inflicted does not amount to the 1¢ cost of the soda. No, the damage was to the integrity of the honor system.

What would happen if nobody obeyed the honor system? They'd have to put the soda behind the counter and pay an employee to dispense drinks for you. That increases the cost and decreases the convenience for you and me.

If someone breaks the honor system, throw the book at him I say.
2012-04-23 12:14:44 PM
1 votes:

Grables'Daughter: Yeah, but the guy has several petty theft convictions in the past, thus the felony charge.

AND the manager asked him to pay for the soda. He refused and cursed at him.

AND the manager asked him to leave, he refused.

So there's that.


Now what am I gonna do with all these Jean Valjean jokes?
2012-04-23 12:10:59 PM
1 votes:
I've got a problem with this. Was the guy being an asshole? possibly. Was he drunk? Definitely.

Does this justify him being branded a felon? No.

Why does the US have less than 5% of the world's population yet has nearly 25% of the world's prisoners? THIS is why.
2012-04-23 12:08:01 PM
1 votes:
If I'd been there and had known this was going to turn into a "news" article, I would have said, "He's with me" and thrown a farking dollar at the manager.
2012-04-23 11:57:33 AM
1 votes:
My money is on him spending more time in jail than Zimmerman.
2012-04-23 11:55:16 AM
1 votes:

thecpt: Aside from the swearing and stuff thing, who hasn't done that?

/my friends always said it was like stealing and I should feel guilty.
//never did



/raises hand

I've never done it. Hell, I'd wager most people have never done it. It's a freakin' soda, cheapskate. Pay your dollar or bring your own.
2012-04-23 11:55:15 AM
1 votes:

Grables'Daughter: Okay, you guys are changing my mind on this.

So it was excessive.

But still, he had past petty theft convictions, was asked to leave and wouldn't cursed at the manager and was given the opportunity to pay for it.

So, without regard to the cost to the restaurant (which is completely irrelevant in my opinion) there should be SOME sort of charge here.


Stand strong! You were in the right the first time.
2012-04-23 11:54:28 AM
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squirrelflavoredyogurt: I hate stupid and totally wrong assertions like, "It costs McDonalds less than a cent". You reference an article, which references another one, which prices only the cost of ingredients and labor to make the syrup concentrate at a quantity of 50,000 Cokes, in Ireland.

It mentions nothing about the packaging costs, shipping costs (from farking Ireland), cost for the water and C02 that is also needed to make syrup into a Coke, not the cost of cup, the lid, the straw, or the labor to connect the syrup container to the system that combines the ingredients to make a soft drink.

Your argument is completely and totally wrong. It costs way more than a cent for McDonalds to produce a soft drink, and the fact that you would put forth an argument with so many holes is simply silly.


Granted. So let's say it costs literally 5 times that. Including amortized cost of the vending devices and tip-out to Coca-Cola for coming in and servicing the vending devices.

Let's say each cup is an additional 2 cents.

They're STILL making a 14x profit on a liberal $0.07 estimated cost,
2012-04-23 11:53:49 AM
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So as long as the cost of justice is more than the cost of the crime, continue breaking the law. Got it.
2012-04-23 11:46:44 AM
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dumbass shoulda paid for the soda, But then, maybe he likes prison.
2012-04-23 11:46:40 AM
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This guy can steal a soda every day for the next five years and it will still cost less than it will to convict and incarcerate him for a few months.
2012-04-23 11:44:22 AM
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"While his charge is petty theft, because of previous petty theft convictions, the charge for drinking the unpaid-for soda was increased from a misdemeanor to a felony"

Wow - I'm glad to see that law enforcement has migrated to the role playing game concept of leveling up...LVL-UP - FEL 1

My only hope for this guy is that some sort of animation or screen flash occurred by the coke machine - ya' know something to make it worth while.
2012-04-23 11:41:27 AM
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DmGdDawg: I don't know how they would know. Sprite looks EXACTLY like water.


Yeah, bubbly, fizzy water. But exactly like regular tap water.
2012-04-23 11:38:43 AM
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I'm sitting in my office REALLY freaking out right now!
2012-04-23 11:36:52 AM
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I don't know how they would know. Sprite looks EXACTLY like water.
2012-04-23 11:36:29 AM
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I take it this is a 3-strikes charge?
2012-04-23 11:33:39 AM
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Babwa Wawa: ArkAngel: Next time try checking the actual Florida statute books. Aggravated child molestation is a capital offense

Next time try reading my farking post. I wrote child abuser. Not child molester. Sexual molestation is not the only way to abuse a child.


You also said rapist, the two together made me think molester. The sire you linked to was also incorrect
 
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