Mugato: vartian: doglover: vartian: Neanderthal: The Neanderthal is perhaps the most controversial extinct species eligible for cloning and resurrection, primarily due to logistics: The surrogate species would be us.

I honestly can't think of a worse idea than this.

Why?

People tend to treat those they see as inferior rather poorly. I can't imagine how we would begin to abuse a resurrected biological ancestor.

Yeah but we'd have a whole new genre of porn.



Booooooiiiiiinnnnnngggg!!!!!

vartian: doglover: vartian: Neanderthal: The Neanderthal is perhaps the most controversial extinct species eligible for cloning and resurrection, primarily due to logistics: The surrogate species would be us.

I honestly can't think of a worse idea than this.

Why?

People tend to treat those they see as inferior rather poorly. I can't imagine how we would begin to abuse a resurrected biological ancestor.

Homo neanderthalensis is not a biological ancestor of homo sapiens sapiens.

Dear scientists:

Please work on making miniature pet-sized giraffes and elephants.

Sincerely,

EVERYONE ON EARTH

/but keep in mind those Loverboy lyrics: pig & elephant DNA just don't splice

Cythraul: I saw we resurrect Neanderthals, dress them up as rednecks, and put them in a Tea Party rally. I'll bet no one would notice anything amiss.

Since most teapartiers are whites of northern European descent, they have Neanderthal genes already.

If they cloned Neanderthals, they'd have to keep them separate...

I imagine zoos of sorts, which I think most people would object to, since they're so "human like"... I think the better thing to do would but them in a large sealed preserve of some type to project them from us and protect us from them, mostly them from us...

I imagine if they could introduce them to some type of technology and let them gradually adjust (if they can, that's debatable I guess), if they was able to adjust enough to integrate into our society, then that could be done on a trial basis, but to just throw them into our world wouldn't workout well. They'd be extinct against in a decade.

The dodo is the only one of those that makes any economic sense to resurrect. Dodos were giant relatives of the pigeon and quite docile so I guess it would be trivial to raise them and they would probably taste a little different than turkeys.

I want a saber-toothed cat that can eat my neighbor's pit bulls.

HairBolus: The dodo is the only one of those that makes any economic sense to resurrect. Dodos were giant relatives of the pigeon and quite docile so I guess it would be trivial to raise them and they would probably taste a little different than turkeys.

I think the Passenger Pigeon is another that would be worth while to resurrect, very close relative in the Morning Dove, the biggest problem is you would have to clone hundreds of them to create a sustainable mating culture.

Correction:

Thirteen.

Caelistis: Cythraul: Think of the possibilities! Imagine the profitability of genetic engineering. The amount you could make if you could corner the industry would be similar if you could patent the wheel.

Ever read Ophiuchi Hotline by John Varley?

Or Oryx and Crake? I'd rather not be torn to shreds by a pack of intelligent, bloodthirsty pigoons, thank you very much.

Might as well add these to the list; don't think they're out there.

Tom_Slick: HairBolus: The dodo is the only one of those that makes any economic sense to resurrect. Dodos were giant relatives of the pigeon and quite docile so I guess it would be trivial to raise them and they would probably taste a little different than turkeys.

I think the Passenger Pigeon is another that would be worth while to resurrect, very close relative in the Morning Dove, the biggest problem is you would have to clone hundreds of them to create a sustainable mating culture.

For what possible (economic) reason? Passenger Pigeons existed in huge huge huge flocks (a hundred thousand would be considered small) that could be quite destructive just from their mass and crap. If they were resurrected in the wild then they would probably have to live off farm crops which would annoy a lot of farmers.

I question cloning of some of the iceage animals. I know we could probably clone one or two of each species but the chances of finding intact DNA in enough indivduals to make for a sustainable breeding stock, I just don't see it.

The ones that were diven into extention in the last 200 years is more than posible.

/Wouldnt mind going passenger pigeon hunting. Flocks so large that all you had to do was point your shotgun at the mass... sure to get something.
//Also wouldn't mind hunting a dodo.

who wants to hunt mammoth with me? ... spears only!!

Tom_Slick: HairBolus: The dodo is the only one of those that makes any economic sense to resurrect. Dodos were giant relatives of the pigeon and quite docile so I guess it would be trivial to raise them and they would probably taste a little different than turkeys.

I think the Passenger Pigeon is another that would be worth while to resurrect, very close relative in the Morning Dove, the biggest problem is you would have to clone hundreds of them to create a sustainable mating culture.

To reestablish them in the wild, you'd need millions. They evolved in an environment where they could leave their flock at any time and would easily come across another flock. So you'd need enough released that they would not get lost.

Caelistis: Cythraul: Think of the possibilities! Imagine the profitability of genetic engineering. The amount you could make if you could corner the industry would be similar if you could patent the wheel.

Ever read Ophiuchi Hotline by John Varley?

I have. I figure the whale probe/rescue thing in one of the Star Trek IV movie was inspired by Varley's "Invaders".

On genetic engineering - my young son has expressed an interesting programming (computers, of course). I told him that he should study microbiology because I believe the next wave of "programmer" pioneers are already out there, coding up new forms of wetware. If you find writing code to make computers to do things to be gratifying, then consider the thrill of programming *life*.

Saiga410: //Also wouldn't mind hunting a dodo.
You seem about as full of the joy of killing as Dick Cheney on a canned hunt. Nobody ever hunted a dodo. They just walked up to it and clubbed it on the head, or maybe they herded some onto their ship so they would have fresh meat during their voyage.

Saiga410: Also wouldn't mind hunting a dodo.



what hunting a dodo might look like.

When people talk about resurrecting megafauna, I like to point out to them that we aren't even taking care of the existing megafauna. Apparently, people who never go outside have some kind of vague God Given Right to pave the planet, mostly because it pisses off people they never meet in real life.

Tax Boy: what hunting a dodo might look like.

Also what hunting a dodo might look like.

HairBolus: Tom_Slick: HairBolus: The dodo is the only one of those that makes any economic sense to resurrect. Dodos were giant relatives of the pigeon and quite docile so I guess it would be trivial to raise them and they would probably taste a little different than turkeys.

I think the Passenger Pigeon is another that would be worth while to resurrect, very close relative in the Morning Dove, the biggest problem is you would have to clone hundreds of them to create a sustainable mating culture.

For what possible (economic) reason? Passenger Pigeons existed in huge huge huge flocks (a hundred thousand would be considered small) that could be quite destructive just from their mass and crap. If they were resurrected in the wild then they would probably have to live off farm crops which would annoy a lot of farmers.

they were supposedly delicious

CraicBaby: No one ate dodos. From what I've read, they tried to, but the meat was greasy and tasted awful.

So like an avian version of BK?

I'm not sure Neanderthals would want to live with us.

Khazar-Khum: I'm not sure Neanderthals would want to live with us.

Thanks a lot, GEICO

Cybernetic: I want a saber-toothed cat that can eat my neighbor's pit bulls.


Laughs at your pit bull.

Dimensio: vartian: doglover: vartian: Neanderthal: The Neanderthal is perhaps the most controversial extinct species eligible for cloning and resurrection, primarily due to logistics: The surrogate species would be us.

I honestly can't think of a worse idea than this.

Why?

People tend to treat those they see as inferior rather poorly. I can't imagine how we would begin to abuse a resurrected biological ancestor.

Homo neanderthalensis is not a biological ancestor of homo sapiens sapiens.

You are aware there are extensive studies showing that neanderthal interbred with our European ancestors, right?

KellyX: If they cloned Neanderthals, they'd have to keep them separate...

I imagine zoos of sorts, which I think most people would object to, since they're so "human like"... I think the better thing to do would but them in a large sealed preserve of some type to project them from us and protect us from them, mostly them from us...

I imagine if they could introduce them to some type of technology and let them gradually adjust (if they can, that's debatable I guess), if they was able to adjust enough to integrate into our society, then that could be done on a trial basis, but to just throw them into our world wouldn't workout well. They'd be extinct against in a decade.

What, do you think they're going to clone a fully formed adult, club in hand, and send him out hunting wild animals? Don't be farking stupid. They weren't around THAT long ago, and there's no reason to think that their minds would work that much differently from ours. No, take a neanderthal baby and raise it like a normal human child. The most difficult part will be when it comes time to explain to it why it doesn't look like a single other living person.

Contents Under Pressure: When people talk about resurrecting megafauna, I like to point out to them that we aren't even taking care of the existing megafauna. Apparently, people who never go outside have some kind of vague God Given Right to pave the planet, mostly because it pisses off people they never meet in real life.

KellyX: If they cloned Neanderthals, they'd have to keep them separate...

I imagine zoos of sorts, which I think most people would object to, since they're so "human like"... I think the better thing to do would but them in a large sealed preserve of some type to project them from us and protect us from them, mostly them from us...

I imagine if they could introduce them to some type of technology and let them gradually adjust (if they can, that's debatable I guess), if they was able to adjust enough to integrate into our society, then that could be done on a trial basis, but to just throw them into our world wouldn't workout well. They'd be extinct against in a decade.

Why would they need to gradually adjust, any more than a homo sapiens baby would need to gradually adjust? The big issue would be whether they have the cognitive abilities to manage in our society.

StrangeQ: Dimensio: vartian: doglover: vartian: Neanderthal: The Neanderthal is perhaps the most controversial extinct species eligible for cloning and resurrection, primarily due to logistics: The surrogate species would be us.

I honestly can't think of a worse idea than this.

Why?

People tend to treat those they see as inferior rather poorly. I can't imagine how we would begin to abuse a resurrected biological ancestor.

Homo neanderthalensis is not a biological ancestor of homo sapiens sapiens.

You are aware there are extensive studies showing that neanderthal interbred with our European ancestors, right?

KellyX: If they cloned Neanderthals, they'd have to keep them separate...

I imagine zoos of sorts, which I think most people would object to, since they're so "human like"... I think the better thing to do would but them in a large sealed preserve of some type to project them from us and protect us from them, mostly them from us...

I imagine if they could introduce them to some type of technology and let them gradually adjust (if they can, that's debatable I guess), if they was able to adjust enough to integrate into our society, then that could be done on a trial basis, but to just throw them into our world wouldn't workout well. They'd be extinct against in a decade.

What, do you think they're going to clone a fully formed adult, club in hand, and send him out hunting wild animals? Don't be farking stupid. They weren't around THAT long ago, and there's no reason to think that their minds would work that much differently from ours. No, take a neanderthal baby and raise it like a normal human child. The most difficult part will be when it comes time to explain to it why it doesn't look like a single other living person.

They didn't have our larynx so they developed telepathy.

/obscure