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2012-04-23 08:41:36 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: USP .45: your implication that the 'neighborhood watch' is something to be held with any additional regard compared to a lawful citizen is embarrassing.

I happen to be quite pleased with my neighborhood watch. They give of their time in the middle of the night to keep an eye on things around here. The FIRST NIGHT I moved into my house, they stopped by and chatted me up, making sure I was legit and not just ransacking an empty house. Can they do anything besides being a good witness? No. But it's nice to know that, at 2 AM, there's a chance of someone spotting a prowler in my neighborhood and calling the cops and scaring him off BEFORE he decides to come in through my kids bedroom window. Organized, properly run neighborhood watches are a great asset in any community.


thank you for confirming that they're just normal people acting on reasonable judgement in a somewhat organized fashion. The fact that you would deny anyone that 'title' to make some sort of point is laughable, and again, embarrassing.

Oh fer Chrissakes. HE WASN'T PART OF A NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH!

eeeek a mouse, eeeeek
 
2012-04-23 08:43:09 AM

Dr. Mojo PhD: Then there's also the perfectly plausible scenario that both people felt legitimately threatened by the other, both took reasonable action to defend themselves...


This is the heart of the issue for many people: why did Zimmerman feel "legitimately threatened" by a young man walking through his neighbourhood in the rain to the point where he ended up in a confrontation shooting him?

Who was entitled to feel "legitimately threatened"? The one profiling and following a stranger, or the one being followed by a stranger while walking home?
 
2012-04-23 08:44:57 AM

Natsumi: WTF is a white Hispanic? Is Obama a white African American?

clearly you've never seen South Africans

There are even some in Namibia.

/yes i am a white African. I was born here (Africa) therefore i am a African.


Hey, how are those fondue sets we sent over years ago? You guys getting some use out of them? I have some spare sterno cans if you need some.
 
2012-04-23 08:45:31 AM

Anthropolologist: Dr. Mojo PhD: Then there's also the perfectly plausible scenario that both people felt legitimately threatened by the other, both took reasonable action to defend themselves...

This is the heart of the issue for many people: why did Zimmerman feel "legitimately threatened" by a young man walking through his neighbourhood in the rain to the point where he ended up in a confrontation shooting him?

Who was entitled to feel "legitimately threatened"? The one profiling and following a stranger, or the one being followed by a stranger while walking home?


It has been pointed out to me that it is perfectly legal to follow a person around in your car and call the cops on them because they are carrying a can of iced tea. There's absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your car to follow the person when he leaves the road. How could anyone feel threatened by the person who is rolling up behind you then pursuing you on foot when you just want to go home and check out the post-game show?
 
2012-04-23 08:47:48 AM

Mi-5: Darth Macho: AverageAmericanGuy: I hope blacks can look past their rage and let the justice system do its work unimpeded.

Part of being part of society is accepting the rulings of the court system, even when it goes against you. They didn't understand this after Rodney King, let's hope they understand it 21 years later.

Yeah. If a mob wants to exact extrajudicial race-based revenge they need to follow the time-tested protocol of using a tree, a noose, and completely reverse the ethnicities of the parties involved. That way an average american guy wouldn't be offended.

You are truly a scholar, my friend. I think you have put it in exactly the way I think AverageAmericanGuy needs to get through his obvious race bias.

/Seriously.."blacks"? How about "Americans" no matter which race you are?


Should I have said "the blacks"?
 
2012-04-23 08:48:35 AM

9beers:
Is Obama a white African American?


I do believe he is Kenyan-American. Hawaiian, to be specific.

Gracie: Mr. Burns. There a Hawaiian on the phone for you.
George: How do you know he's Hawaiian?
Gracie: He says he's "Brown, From the morning Sun."
 
2012-04-23 08:51:21 AM
There are no winners in this case except the media and Internet tough guys.
 
2012-04-23 08:56:10 AM

I_C_Weener: There are no winners in this case except the media and Internet tough guys.


And us internet milquetoasts. Don't forget us (most people do).
 
2012-04-23 08:56:46 AM
Perhaps the seemingly unwarranted second degree murder charge (rather than manslaughter) is intended to intimidate Zimmerman into taking a plea deal?
 
2012-04-23 08:58:16 AM

Natsumi: /yes i am a white African. I was born here (Africa) therefore i am a African.


Actually, you are an European-African.
 
2012-04-23 08:58:29 AM
Watching Farkers rage when Zimmerman either pleads to lesser charge with time served or acquitted is going to be screen shot worthy.

// Tot Mom 2.0
 
2012-04-23 08:58:34 AM

gimmegimme: Anthropolologist: Dr. Mojo PhD: Then there's also the perfectly plausible scenario that both people felt legitimately threatened by the other, both took reasonable action to defend themselves...

This is the heart of the issue for many people: why did Zimmerman feel "legitimately threatened" by a young man walking through his neighbourhood in the rain to the point where he ended up in a confrontation shooting him?

Who was entitled to feel "legitimately threatened"? The one profiling and following a stranger, or the one being followed by a stranger while walking home?

It has been pointed out to me that it is perfectly legal to follow a person around in your car and call the cops on them because they are carrying a can of iced tea. There's absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your car to follow the person when he leaves the road. How could anyone feel threatened by the person who is rolling up behind you then pursuing you on foot when you just want to go home and check out the post-game show?


The fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman took place on February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, US. Trayvon Martin was a 17-year-old African American male who was unarmed;[2] George Zimmerman is a 28-year-old biracial Hispanic[3] American who, at the time of the shooting, was the community watch coordinator for the gated community where the shooting took place.[4][5][6][7][8]

While on a private errand Zimmerman saw Martin walking inside the gated community where he was visiting, along with his father, the latter's fiancée. Zimmerman called the Sanford Police Department, describing Martin's appearance and behavior as suspicious. Shortly afterwards there was an altercation which ended with Zimmerman fatally shooting Martin once in the chest at close range



I've highlighted the relevant parts. Treyvon was a stranger (albeit guest) in that gated community. Zimmerman was the watch coordinator. His duty is pretty much ENTIRELY to keep an eye on strangers at night and call the cops if they look suspicious. Do none of ya'll realize what neighborhood watch means?
 
2012-04-23 08:58:36 AM

Uglybarnacle: 9beers: hbk72777: White Hispanics

WTF is a white Hispanic? Is Obama a white African American?

clearly you've never seen South Africans


i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-23 08:58:55 AM
Just going to give people one thing to think about.

Why do different judges from all over the country decide to allow cameras in their court rooms for cases that are already reaching a rolling boil in the public consciousness? Does that seem a little irresponsible to anyone else?

Cause then all the people in the court stop being cogs in the machine, as they are supposed to be, and become actors and actresses. The prosecution will try and earn its stars so that he/she can liason this high profile case to a political career, maybe DA. The defense may have taken this case either pro bono or very cheap JUST to get the chance to win this thing and make a name for themselves a la the OJ lawyers. Think we'd even know how huge Kim's ass would be if not for that case? The Judge will have to let that exposure factor into sentencing. The Jury has to let it impact them as well. This is why the prosecution went for Murder 2, and not the easy win of Manslaughter. And this is why the plea deal that was offered, if one was offered (idk) was apparently unsatisfactory to the defense (or perhaps it was built to be such by the prosecution to avoid a plea).

It's a circus, not a trial.

I have a fairly strong conviction that we shouldn't televise our justice system... *sometimes*. All the time, or none of the time. When we pick and choose we kind of chip away at the integrity of the system.
 
2012-04-23 09:00:40 AM

keenerb: Perhaps the seemingly unwarranted second degree murder charge (rather than manslaughter) is intended to intimidate Zimmerman into taking a plea deal?


Has anyone said whether or not manslaughter is off the table?
 
2012-04-23 09:00:44 AM

Anthropolologist: Who was entitled to feel "legitimately threatened"? The one profiling and following a stranger, or the one that hid so he could bash in the head of that stranger instead of running home?


FTFY
 
2012-04-23 09:01:03 AM

wademh: 9beers: hbk72777: White Hispanics

WTF is a white Hispanic? Is Obama a white African American?

Rather than asking the same question again and again, you could look it up. It's a long used term in population demographics.

Or pe,rhaps you'd like a history lesson?
The term Hispanic has to do with Spanish origins, or in some cases, origins from a country that was part of the Spanish empire. Let's stick with Spanish origins for now.

Back in the middle ages, after the fall of the Roman Empire, parts of Europe were invaded from the South. Spain, in particular, was occupied and held as "Moorish" territory. As often happens, men among the invaders take up with the local women. In this case, as the invaders were dark skinned, the children of these couplings tended to have darker skin than the Caucasian natives of Spain.


Not that I really totally disagree with you, but I'm pretty sure if you look at most of today's Berber's can pretty easily pass for white. I've also heard the theory that Islamic Spain was so tolerant and multi-cultural was because the Moors had to be. due to their small numbers. And contrary to what Quentin Tarantino thinks, the Moors were not actually black.
 
2012-04-23 09:01:06 AM

doglover: gimmegimme: Anthropolologist: Dr. Mojo PhD: Then there's also the perfectly plausible scenario that both people felt legitimately threatened by the other, both took reasonable action to defend themselves...

This is the heart of the issue for many people: why did Zimmerman feel "legitimately threatened" by a young man walking through his neighbourhood in the rain to the point where he ended up in a confrontation shooting him?

Who was entitled to feel "legitimately threatened"? The one profiling and following a stranger, or the one being followed by a stranger while walking home?

It has been pointed out to me that it is perfectly legal to follow a person around in your car and call the cops on them because they are carrying a can of iced tea. There's absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your car to follow the person when he leaves the road. How could anyone feel threatened by the person who is rolling up behind you then pursuing you on foot when you just want to go home and check out the post-game show?

The fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman took place on February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, US. Trayvon Martin was a 17-year-old African American male who was unarmed;[2] George Zimmerman is a 28-year-old biracial Hispanic[3] American who, at the time of the shooting, was the community watch coordinator for the gated community where the shooting took place.[4][5][6][7][8]

While on a private errand Zimmerman saw Martin walking inside the gated community where he was visiting, along with his father, the latter's fiancée. Zimmerman called the Sanford Police Department, describing Martin's appearance and behavior as suspicious. Shortly afterwards there was an altercation which ended with Zimmerman fatally shooting Martin once in the chest at close range



I've highlighted the relevant parts. Treyvon was a stranger (albeit guest) in that gated community. Zimmerman was the watch coordinator. His duty is pretty much ENTIRELY to keep an eye on stran ...


So you think that everyone you don't know is suspicious? Walking on the sidewalk in the early evening is a suspicious act?

This is why I'm not a Republican. I don't want to be scared of everything all the time.
 
2012-04-23 09:02:02 AM

s2s2s2: Anthropolologist: Who was entitled to feel "legitimately threatened"? The one profiling and following a stranger, or the one that hid so he could bash in the head of that stranger instead of running home?

FTFY


Martin was not obligated to flee. Florida's Stand Your Ground law gave him the right to fight back.
 
2012-04-23 09:02:22 AM

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Yes, once he's found not guilty because the prosecution are incompetent, vindictive morons in lieu of the O.J. Simpson trial--bad things will happen. God bless Common Law.


Citation needed.
 
2012-04-23 09:02:32 AM
For those keeping score:

Evidence Zimmerman followed after agreeing not to: Dead Trayvon.
Evidence Martin attacked first: Broken nose(confirmed)/Bashed in head(confirmed).
 
2012-04-23 09:03:13 AM

Satanic_Hamster: liam76: On top of that the only eyewitness to see the struggle and to see someoen call for help has confirmed it was Zimmerman calling for help.

Oh come on, lliam. This thread has nothing to do with Israel, why do you have to lie about things?


Then why bring it up?

"The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help, help.' I told him to stop, I was calling 911," John told the TV station. Zimmerman was wearing red.

Your ignorance doesn't make what I say a lie.
 
2012-04-23 09:03:16 AM

s2s2s2: For those keeping score:

Evidence Zimmerman followed after agreeing not to: Dead Trayvon.
Evidence Martin attacked first: Broken nose(confirmed)/Bashed in head(confirmed).


I suppose you're right. Zimmerman spent an awful lot of time in the hospital after he was beaten.
 
2012-04-23 09:03:17 AM

keenerb: Perhaps the seemingly unwarranted second degree murder charge (rather than manslaughter) is intended to intimidate Zimmerman into taking a plea deal?


Could be, but why would he want to take a plea? I'm no law talking guy, but it seems to me that he's going to walk rather easily, if the jury does what they are supposed to do. There just isn't a case here, even manslaughter is a stretch.
 
2012-04-23 09:03:46 AM

nekulor: vwarb: I am getting ready for an increasingly ridiculous series of Mr. Magoo-like brushes with death.

I expect several people to attempt to weed-whack him to death, followed, by several attempted shootings and a wood chipper accident a la Tucker and Dale Vs. Evil.

Zimmerman better work on the going half-blind and constantly losing his glasses, if he's going to pull the Magoo angle to save himself.


Away yeah. Tucker and Dale reference with my morning coffee.
 
2012-04-23 09:04:01 AM

BeesNuts: Just going to give people one thing to think about.

Why do


It is the law in Florida that cameras are allowed in the court room.
 
2012-04-23 09:04:04 AM

Zizzowop: He can always shack up with Casey Anthony.


I could think of a lot worse to shack up with. I'd wipe left-over nut in her hair.
 
2012-04-23 09:05:31 AM

BeesNuts: I have a fairly strong conviction that we shouldn't televise our justice system... *sometimes*. All the time, or none of the time. When we pick and choose we kind of chip away at the integrity of the system.


I think it is inhumane to publicize people, like defendants, who have no way to opt out. In my city, we've got a "psychiatric institution" (read that as insane asylum to be more accurate) that houses some seriously ill people. On Saturdays, you can pay a $10 entry fee to wander the corridors, largely unsupervised, and watch the people in their cells. There's some really heartbreaking sights to see in there too -- like the woman who is constantly turning around suddenly, as though she thinks there's always someone behind her. She looks exhausted and so sad. I don't think it is right for the institution to profit from the tours, which they justify by saying it provides the patients with external stimulation. If it were up to me, I wouldn't go, but my ten year old son loves the visits, and its about the only time we get to spend together after the divorce.
 
2012-04-23 09:06:19 AM
doglover

Treyvon was a stranger (albeit guest) in that gated community. Zimmerman was the watch coordinator. His duty is pretty much ENTIRELY to keep an eye on strangers at night and call the cops if they look suspicious. Do none of ya'll realize what neighborhood watch means?

Do you people really call the police for someone walking down the street?

Yeah, I said it.
 
2012-04-23 09:06:46 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I hope blacks can look past their rage and let the justice system do its work unimpeded.

Part of being part of society is accepting the rulings of the court system, even when it goes against you. They didn't understand this after Rodney King, let's hope they understand it 21 years later.


Wtf am I reading...
 
2012-04-23 09:06:52 AM

Bathia_Mapes: Pointy Tail of Satan: I still don't understand how a Hispanic guy gets a name that's the German form of "Carpenter".

From Wikipedia: George Michael Zimmerman was born on October 5, 1983, in Manassas, Virginia, and is the son of Robert Zimmerman Sr, a retired Virginia magistrate, and Peruvian-born Gladys Zimmerman.


Wow. He is just a kid, I have not paid much attention. I was stationed at Quantico and commuted to the base when he was born. Small world...
 
2012-04-23 09:07:21 AM
Blah blah blah, blah blah, BLAH! Blah guilty blah blah BLAH innocent, blah blah?
 
2012-04-23 09:07:34 AM

liam76: Then why bring it up?

"The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help, help.' I told him to stop, I was calling 911," John told the TV station. Zimmerman was wearing red.

Your ignorance doesn't make what I say a lie.


Oh, if a person named "John" that has only talked to Fox News says he saw this after waiting months to come forward, then it's obvious that Martin was a violent criminal who deserved to be shot.

Come on Liam, in the honor of the American soldier, why don't you just stop making so much stuff up?
 
2012-04-23 09:08:02 AM

doglover: gimmegimme: Anthropolologist: Dr. Mojo PhD: Then there's also the perfectly plausible scenario that both people felt legitimately threatened by the other, both took reasonable action to defend themselves...

This is the heart of the issue for many people: why did Zimmerman feel "legitimately threatened" by a young man walking through his neighbourhood in the rain to the point where he ended up in a confrontation shooting him?

Who was entitled to feel "legitimately threatened"? The one profiling and following a stranger, or the one being followed by a stranger while walking home?

It has been pointed out to me that it is perfectly legal to follow a person around in your car and call the cops on them because they are carrying a can of iced tea. There's absolutely nothing wrong with leaving your car to follow the person when he leaves the road. How could anyone feel threatened by the person who is rolling up behind you then pursuing you on foot when you just want to go home and check out the post-game show?

The fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman took place on February 26, 2012, in Sanford, Florida, US. Trayvon Martin was a 17-year-old African American male who was unarmed;[2] George Zimmerman is a 28-year-old biracial Hispanic[3] American who, at the time of the shooting, was the community watch coordinator for the gated community where the shooting took place.[4][5][6][7][8]

While on a private errand Zimmerman saw Martin walking inside the gated community where he was visiting, along with his father, the latter's fiancée. Zimmerman called the Sanford Police Department, describing Martin's appearance and behavior as suspicious. Shortly afterwards there was an altercation which ended with Zimmerman fatally shooting Martin once in the chest at close range



I've highlighted the relevant parts. Treyvon was a stranger (albeit guest) in that gated community. Zimmerman was the watch coordinator. His duty is pretty much ENTIRELY to keep an eye on stran ...


And the first thing Neighborhood Watch groups tell their people is that they are not police officers and they have no authority to confront anyone. Their job is to observe and report, and that's where it ends. He negated any cover from them the second he got out of his truck.

But hey, when you've got a gun and a need to overcompensate, I guess the rules don't apply.
 
2012-04-23 09:08:21 AM

gimmegimme: I suppose you're right. Zimmerman spent an awful lot of time in the hospital after he was beaten.


Because that is how physical injuries are confirmed! When I lost 4 pints of blood after a simple fall that split 3 muscular arteries in my scalp, I was in the hospital for about 3 hours total, including going back to get my stitches out.

I guess that means it never happened, and my life was never in danger.
 
2012-04-23 09:08:38 AM

ElLoco: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Yes, once he's found not guilty because the prosecution are incompetent, vindictive morons in lieu of the O.J. Simpson trial--bad things will happen. God bless Common Law.

The only reason he is being tried is because if he wasn't charged, there would be riots over it. Now, he has to jump through all the hoops of a full trial, be found 'not guilty' of Murder 2, then wisely invest the proceeds from the book deal. Of course, instead of all the cheering like what happened with the OJ deal, there will still be riots... just itty bitty ones compared to what it would have been were he not charged.

Murder 2 isn't gonna fly regardless of the prosecution's competence unless the jury gets stacked. If they really wanted him, they would have charged him with a slightly lesser crime that is sure to stick.


Why wouldn't murder in the second degree work?
 
2012-04-23 09:09:08 AM

s2s2s2: BeesNuts: Just going to give people one thing to think about.

Why do

It is the law in Florida that cameras are allowed in the court room.


So it is. Silly me. Now the meat of the point. In that case, is our national press just hungrily watching Florida for any sort of dramatic homicide, ready to beat the war drums and build enough interest in the case to warrant pulling every minute of footage they can out of that courtroom and ring 2, maybe 5 extra months out of the story?

/Cause that seems like what they're doing to me
 
2012-04-23 09:12:11 AM

Drummer: Uh oh.. LA Riots v2.0 ?


How dare they release him on bail in accordance with the law and the eight amendment of the constitution.
 
2012-04-23 09:12:47 AM

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: I suppose you're right. Zimmerman spent an awful lot of time in the hospital after he was beaten.

Because that is how physical injuries are confirmed! When I lost 4 pints of blood after a simple fall that split 3 muscular arteries in my scalp, I was in the hospital for about 3 hours total, including going back to get my stitches out.

I guess that means it never happened, and my life was never in danger.


Wow...I'm glad you're okay. Tell me. When you hurt your scalp, was there any evidence? Did you need a Band-Aid? Did any blood get on your clothes? Did you look like the end of Fargo?
 
2012-04-23 09:13:10 AM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: Tray should have kept his hands to himself and not been a thug. The truth will come out. The lie will be shown for what they are.

/ I've been wrongly been called racist a hundred times


How many white people have you called "Thug" in the last year? It's like a code word at this point.
 
2012-04-23 09:13:22 AM

9beers: divx88: Funny that they use a picture of Trayvon at 12 years of age.

Good job posting a picture that was proven to not be Martin weeks ago.


You just earned +internets in my book.
 
2012-04-23 09:13:38 AM

LordJiro: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: LordJiro: 9beers: strathmeyer: How come when you make stuff up it's facts but when we try to describe to you what happened it's speculation? You're ignorant because this is a simple cause of right and wrong that you are obviously injecting your bias into.

I've never said that any of the things I've speculated on are facts. What I just said is that unlike those of the mob, my speculations aren't being shot down left and right. It is a simple case of right and wrong. Zimmerman was within his rights and Martin was wrong for attacking somebody.

Except NOBODY has any facts, one way or the other, as to who started the fight. The eyewitness didn't see the start of the fight.

The only account we have about how the fight began is from Zimmerman, and considering the circumstances, his word on that matter is unreliable.

The whole case rests on whether or not Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. If not, fine; Zimmerman was acting in self-defense. If he did, then Martin was the one acting in self-defense, and Zimmerman is a murderer.

So yes, you're speculating just as much as anyone else here.

What makes gz unreliable? His bail was based on the fact that he was reliable. It appears his been honest and cooperative the whole time.

You can't force it man. Just go with the flow man. BE COOL MAN!

His account of how the fight started is unreliable because the fight ENDED with him killing Martin. If he initiated the confrontation and told the officers that he did so, he'd have been behind bars on day one and we'd never have heard of the case.

He has clear incentive to lie about the events.


Started the confrotation by asking a simple confrotation? Unreliable? What's he supposed to do? Not talk? You are making less sense every word you type. Sorry man, I'm from earth. Thought you were too.
 
2012-04-23 09:14:19 AM
If I was Zimmerman's attorney, I would be telling my client to be open to accepting a plea deal. The prosecution's case does not look very strong, not for Murder 2 anyways. However, that does not mean farkall . I do not think I would be overly faithful in the jury's ability to base their decision of Guilt or Innocence based on the evidence presented and the law, and not emotions or other outside influences.

It would not surprise me that even if Zimmerman is acquitted, he will be slapped with a Wrongful Death lawsuit (Not that I don't think he is at least partially responsible for Martin's death).
 
2012-04-23 09:14:28 AM

s2s2s2: gimmegimme: I suppose you're right. Zimmerman spent an awful lot of time in the hospital after he was beaten.

Because that is how physical injuries are confirmed! When I lost 4 pints of blood after a simple fall that split 3 muscular arteries in my scalp, I was in the hospital for about 3 hours total, including going back to get my stitches out.

I guess that means it never happened, and my life was never in danger.


Anytime someone has a serious head injury, be it a car wreck or "being bashed against the concrete," standard protocol for EMTs is to take them in for a head scan. That protects them from liability if they treat someone who appears to be fine at the scene, and that person goes home with a concussion and dies in their sleep.

Now, if the pummeling is as violent as you guys are claiming, it would be only common sense that he'd be taken in, rather than just being given a few bandages and cleaned up.
 
2012-04-23 09:15:48 AM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: In before the thousand liberal comments. Hahahahahahah. Can't wait til he gets off free no charges. Can't cry and make him guilty. Not the way it works. Sorry. Tray should have kept his hands to himself and not been a thug. The truth will come out. The lie will be shown for what they are.

/ I've been wrongly been called racist a hundred times from cry baby racist that can't have an intelligent conversation based on fact and not imagination.

// have a great Monday buddy.


I feel like someone is cheeking their meds ...
 
2012-04-23 09:16:03 AM
He'd be smart to get out of a state where you can kill someone and then say you felt threatened for your life. What a twist of events that'd be.
 
2012-04-23 09:16:58 AM

scotzrewl: If I was Zimmerman's attorney, I would be telling my client to be open to accepting a plea deal. The prosecution's case does not look very strong, not for Murder 2 anyways. However, that does not mean farkall . I do not think I would be overly faithful in the jury's ability to base their decision of Guilt or Innocence based on the evidence presented and the law, and not emotions or other outside influences.

It would not surprise me that even if Zimmerman is acquitted, he will be slapped with a Wrongful Death lawsuit (Not that I don't think he is at least partially responsible for Martin's death).


I don't think the lawsuit would be a possibility as he would have civil immunity (if not convicted) as I understand it.
 
2012-04-23 09:17:13 AM

Bathia_Mapes: divx88: brainscab: I want to know if this guy studied the self defense laws before he went out to pick a fight with a gun in his pocket,

Curious if any of you have half a brain.

Court system swayed by lynch mobs and slant media, prosecutors not submitting all evidence to a case (which is illegal), dead or alive bounties (which is illegal). Obnoxious "murder 2" charge, when the only thing really unclear is if Zimmerman provoked Trayvon; which in that case it'd be man slaughter.

Funny that they use a picture of Trayvon at 12 years of age.

[sadhillnews.com image 547x410]

So yes, put down your STOLEN skittles and tea and stop acting shady.

Can't really play the black card either given no charges have been brought on the leader of the BP for issuing a dead or alive bounty.

That picture isn't of the Trayvon Martin who was killed. It's of another person named Trayvon Martin and was being circulated by the Neo-Nazi site, Stormfront. Even Brietbart said it wasn't a picture of the correct Trayvon Martin.


But in a totally non-racist context, amirite?
 
2012-04-23 09:18:07 AM

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: LordJiro: OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: LordJiro: 9beers: strathmeyer: How come when you make stuff up it's facts but when we try to describe to you what happened it's speculation? You're ignorant because this is a simple cause of right and wrong that you are obviously injecting your bias into.

I've never said that any of the things I've speculated on are facts. What I just said is that unlike those of the mob, my speculations aren't being shot down left and right. It is a simple case of right and wrong. Zimmerman was within his rights and Martin was wrong for attacking somebody.

Except NOBODY has any facts, one way or the other, as to who started the fight. The eyewitness didn't see the start of the fight.

The only account we have about how the fight began is from Zimmerman, and considering the circumstances, his word on that matter is unreliable.

The whole case rests on whether or not Zimmerman initiated the confrontation. If not, fine; Zimmerman was acting in self-defense. If he did, then Martin was the one acting in self-defense, and Zimmerman is a murderer.

So yes, you're speculating just as much as anyone else here.

What makes gz unreliable? His bail was based on the fact that he was reliable. It appears his been honest and cooperative the whole time.

You can't force it man. Just go with the flow man. BE COOL MAN!

His account of how the fight started is unreliable because the fight ENDED with him killing Martin. If he initiated the confrontation and told the officers that he did so, he'd have been behind bars on day one and we'd never have heard of the case.

He has clear incentive to lie about the events.

Started the confrotation by asking a simple confrotation? Unreliable? What's he supposed to do? Not talk? You are making less sense every word you type. Sorry man, I'm from earth. Thought you were too.


I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you spend a lot of time posting on Yahoo! Answers.
 
2012-04-23 09:18:18 AM

Satanic_Hamster: liam76: Then why bring it up?

"The guy on the bottom, who I believe had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help, help.' I told him to stop, I was calling 911," John told the TV station. Zimmerman was wearing red.

Your ignorance doesn't make what I say a lie.

Oh, if a person named "John" that has only talked to Fox News says he saw this after waiting months to come forward, then it's obvious that Martin was a violent criminal who deserved to be shot.


He also talked tt the poplice (on the 911 call referenced, and when they were interviewsing witnesses afterwards), but thanks for makling up lies to back up your BS. You have moved from ignorance to outright dishonesty, doesn't suprise me. Way to top off your dishonesty with your strawman of "deserved to be shot".
 
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