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2012-04-23 02:42:17 AM

Giant Clown Shoe: not guilty


Guilty. Looks like someone scraped him with their fingernails in defense. No way those look like attack wounds.
 
2012-04-23 02:43:08 AM

9beers: TheJoe03: I also found it funny that dumb ole 9Beers was ignorant enough to not know there where white latinos and he actually thought such an idea was unbelievable.

Yeah, I'm the ignorant one, not a moron like you that's been speculating on this case from the beginning and being proven to be an idiot every time new information comes out.


You've been speculating too. You cannot deny that fact.
 
2012-04-23 02:43:33 AM

doglover: So if I fire a shotgun at you, but I miss, it's no harm no foul? Bullshiat.

Just because Treyvon wasn't very good at pounding people's heads off concrete doesn't make it a non-lethal attack to do so. You can easily die hitting your head by accident on a stone or pavement. Anyone who does the bouncing for you is trying to kill you and you should treat them as such.

The sad fact is, Treyvon might have been young, but all evidence points to the shooting being as clean cut as police initially treated it. The outrage has brought it to a Murder 2 trial instead of a manslaughter, but nothing has come to light that points at Zimmerman as anything but honest. Every new development and bit of info points to Treyvon basically working hard to get shot that night.


How come everyone who supports Zimmerman has to make up facts? Do you think we don't know about the story? Doesn't it just make it more obvious to us that he's guilty?
 
2012-04-23 02:43:37 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: And Zimmerman is......Nope, no spanish or indians in Peru. lol.


Wait. I bet you had a point. I'll wait for you to make it.


Uhhhh, what? You obviously missed it because I brought up Mexicans because some dude wanted to start calling the Mexicans that come across the borders white cracker Christians. I honestly could care less about where Zimmerman's ancestors come from, it doesn't change the fact that some unarmed kid was killed. I was having a side conversation that your ignorant ass decided to chime in on and you ended up looking foolish.
 
2012-04-23 02:44:03 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: TheJoe03: Mexicans are mixed (Spanish and Indian)

And Zimmerman is......Nope, no spanish or indians in Peru. lol.


Wait. I bet you had a point. I'll wait for you to make it............................ ..................... ................... ........................... ............. ............


Plus, "indians" in the sense of the people that were in the Americas before the Europeans arrived are considered white anyhow. The three "races" from back when the term actually had a non self-identification meaning were white, black, and yellow (or Shemites, Hamites, and Jacobites after the three sons of Noah if you're more religiously inclined). Sure, everyone was still immediately suspicious of basically anyone that didn't look like the people from their hometown in any way, but the majority of that's always been cultural or entirely geography-based.

A lot of the weirder and culty-er branches of Christian thought actually bent themselves into their strange shapes because they were trying to explain why the new world was populated by racially "white" people, but it also had the side effect of no one feeling particularly bad about marrying into the native families or vice-versa, whereas you didn't see quite as much when white colonies were set up in places regarded as black or yellow.
 
2012-04-23 02:44:27 AM

strathmeyer: Giant Clown Shoe: not guilty

Guilty. Looks like someone scraped him with their fingernails in defense. No way those look like attack wounds.


Oooooo, look everybody - an internet-based medical expert!
 
2012-04-23 02:44:28 AM

9beers: Maybe you should actually read the farking article.


I did, it sounded like heresy, especially the incident in Baldimore.
 
2012-04-23 02:44:47 AM

Bathia_Mapes: You've been speculating too. You cannot deny that fact.


You also can't deny that none of my speculations have been proven false.
 
2012-04-23 02:45:10 AM

9beers: Yeah, I'm the ignorant one, not a moron like you that's been speculating on this case from the beginning and being proven to be an idiot every time new information comes out.


How come when you make stuff up it's facts but when we try to describe to you what happened it's speculation? You're ignorant because this is a simple cause of right and wrong that you are obviously injecting your bias into.
 
2012-04-23 02:46:13 AM

Atomic Spunk: strathmeyer: Giant Clown Shoe: not guilty

Guilty. Looks like someone scraped him with their fingernails in defense. No way those look like attack wounds.

Oooooo, look everybody - an internet-based medical expert!


Expects don't express their opinions, but obviously you're no expect.
 
2012-04-23 02:46:30 AM

TheJoe03: I did, it sounded like heresy,


What?
 
2012-04-23 02:47:02 AM

9beers: Bathia_Mapes: You've been speculating too. You cannot deny that fact.

You also can't deny that none of my speculations have been proven false.


I speculate that in the year 2056 Abraham Lincoln will rise from the grave and save us from the maneating hordes of Martians. You can't prove this false, therefore I am correct.
 
2012-04-23 02:47:40 AM

Jim_Callahan: Plus, "indians" in the sense of the people that were in the Americas before the Europeans arrived are considered white anyhow.


Race is entirely made up, and our current society does not consider Indians to white, not even on the Census. Ethnic groups at least make sense, race does not, at least not to me.
 
2012-04-23 02:48:45 AM

doglover: Zizzowop: 'Cause he cut himself shaving? My old lady bleeds more than that every month.

So if I fire a shotgun at you, but I miss, it's no harm no foul? Bullshiat.

Just because Treyvon wasn't very good at pounding people's heads off concrete doesn't make it a non-lethal attack to do so. You can easily die hitting your head by accident on a stone or pavement. Anyone who does the bouncing for you is trying to kill you and you should treat them as such.

The sad fact is, Treyvon might have been young, but all evidence points to the shooting being as clean cut as police initially treated it. The outrage has brought it to a Murder 2 trial instead of a manslaughter, but nothing has come to light that points at Zimmerman as anything but honest. Every new development and bit of info points to Treyvon basically working hard to get shot that night.


George put himself in that situation. I have had friends that got into fights, broken nose, even broken jaw, but they both lived because no one was packin a gun.
 
2012-04-23 02:48:51 AM

9beers: What?


Haha, autocorrect is a biatch, I meant hearsay
 
2012-04-23 02:49:40 AM

strathmeyer: How come when you make stuff up it's facts but when we try to describe to you what happened it's speculation? You're ignorant because this is a simple cause of right and wrong that you are obviously injecting your bias into.


I've never said that any of the things I've speculated on are facts. What I just said is that unlike those of the mob, my speculations aren't being shot down left and right. It is a simple case of right and wrong. Zimmerman was within his rights and Martin was wrong for attacking somebody.
 
2012-04-23 02:50:09 AM

TheJoe03: I was having a side conversation that your ignorant ass decided to chime in on and you ended up looking foolish.


Also wow, you were the guy I made that comment to, so now I'm just confused as to why you said what you said entirely.
 
2012-04-23 02:50:17 AM

divx88: brainscab: I want to know if this guy studied the self defense laws before he went out to pick a fight with a gun in his pocket,

Curious if any of you have half a brain.

Court system swayed by lynch mobs and slant media, prosecutors not submitting all evidence to a case (which is illegal), dead or alive bounties (which is illegal). Obnoxious "murder 2" charge, when the only thing really unclear is if Zimmerman provoked Trayvon; which in that case it'd be man slaughter.

Funny that they use a picture of Trayvon at 12 years of age.

[sadhillnews.com image 547x410]

So yes, put down your STOLEN skittles and tea and stop acting shady.

Can't really play the black card either given no charges have been brought on the leader of the BP for issuing a dead or alive bounty.


ooooooo, a new troll account.

You'd be less obvious if you didn't just paste the same incorrect thing in every Zimmerman thread. Why not just use one of the other accounts instead of outing a new one?
 
2012-04-23 02:50:59 AM

ultraholland: Tupac hologram stole everybody's attention. Nobody cares about this guy now.


Wait till Hologram Bradley Nowell comes back with "April 29, 1992" but instead it is "February 26th, 2012"

/might be going to Hell for that one...
 
2012-04-23 02:51:09 AM

TheJoe03: Haha, autocorrect is a biatch, I meant hearsay


Still, what? The article states that the suspect told investigators. Are you claiming that the newspaper is lying?
 
2012-04-23 02:51:20 AM

doglover: The sad fact is, Treyvon might have been young, but all evidence points to the shooting being as clean cut as police initially treated it. The outrage has brought it to a Murder 2 trial instead of a manslaughter, but nothing has come to light that points at Zimmerman as anything but honest. Every new development and bit of info points to Treyvon basically working hard to get shot that night.


Does enough reasonable doubt that it was legitimate self-defense rather than murder in the heat of passion exist that he'll probably be acquitted? Probably yes, especially now that there's been a media lynch mob out for blood for a few weeks-- that would make the hardest-core jury in the world question their own impartiality, I'd think (not to make assembling said jury a huge pain in the ass).

But don't pretend that the evidence is all that strongly tilted in favor of the guy being an innocent victim, either. Honestly, the preponderance of evidence seems to indicate the dude got into the fight intentionally as a result of near-terminal stupidity, makind it manslaughter at minimum. Fortunately for Mr. Zimmerman he's charged with murder 2 and not a tort claim or something, so the preponderance of evidence standard doesn't apply, and a reasonable doubt gets him off because that's how the US courts work.

Plus, given that the public information indicates manslaughter and the man was charged with murder 2, it would seem that the DA knows something we don't as well.
 
2012-04-23 02:52:18 AM

Satanic_Hamster: divx88: brainscab: I want to know if this guy studied the self defense laws before he went out to pick a fight with a gun in his pocket,

Curious if any of you have half a brain.

Court system swayed by lynch mobs and slant media, prosecutors not submitting all evidence to a case (which is illegal), dead or alive bounties (which is illegal). Obnoxious "murder 2" charge, when the only thing really unclear is if Zimmerman provoked Trayvon; which in that case it'd be man slaughter.

Funny that they use a picture of Trayvon at 12 years of age.

[sadhillnews.com image 547x410]

So yes, put down your STOLEN skittles and tea and stop acting shady.

Can't really play the black card either given no charges have been brought on the leader of the BP for issuing a dead or alive bounty.

ooooooo, a new troll account.

You'd be less obvious if you didn't just paste the same incorrect thing in every Zimmerman thread. Why not just use one of the other accounts instead of outing a new one?


It's funny how the losers always make you out to be a troll, racist or alt when they know they're losing.
 
2012-04-23 02:53:11 AM
After being arrested, Hayes told police he was upset by the Trayvon Martin case and beat the man up because he was white, Cook County State's Attorney's office spokeswoman Tandra Simonton said, citing court records.
 
2012-04-23 02:53:25 AM

Jim_Callahan: Plus, "indians" in the sense of the people that were in the Americas before the Europeans arrived are considered white anyhow.


Bullshiat. Native Americans have Asian roots.

/biracial N.A./Latina
 
2012-04-23 02:54:53 AM

9beers: Bathia_Mapes: You've been speculating too. You cannot deny that fact.

You also can't deny that none of my speculations have been proven false.


Doesn't make them any less speculations, true or false.

Everyone is speculating, whether true or false, on these Zimmerman/Martin threads because none of us have access to the actual evidence in the case. True, there have been photos posted online, but that's it. Unless one of us ends up on the jury (highly unlikely, IMHO), or the judge allows cameras in the courtroom, we will continue speculating until the trial is over, just as we did with O.J.

None of us posting here are forensic experts, yet some act as though they are.
 
2012-04-23 02:55:17 AM

TheJoe03: Jim_Callahan: Plus, "indians" in the sense of the people that were in the Americas before the Europeans arrived are considered white anyhow.

Race is entirely made up, and our current society does not consider Indians to white, not even on the Census. Ethnic groups at least make sense, race does not, at least not to me.


In our current society racial identity is determined by self-identification (i.e. it's made up) but that wasn't the case when the central and south american genetic families came into being (by mixing local and European family lines). So that outlook is probably more relevant to this particular discussion.

But yeah, sure, if I write in "martian" for race on my census form that's my official race/ethnicity as far as the government, etc is concerned, if that's what you're talking about.
 
2012-04-23 02:55:25 AM

9beers: Still, what? The article states that the suspect told investigators. Are you claiming that the newspaper is lying?


So does that mean that black on white, racially motivated, crime is on the uptick? Those were two cases, and the 2nd one came off has incredibly bogus. I don't know about you but I wish to do my best to help maintain peace in our nation, and articles like what you posted only increase tensions, just as the actions of some of the black "leaders" and groups in America. I certainly have not heard anything about increased racial tension in the Bay Area or the west coast in general (where I live), so please stop blowing these tensions out of proportion or they might just be provoked to reach that level
 
2012-04-23 02:55:31 AM

strathmeyer: Atomic Spunk: strathmeyer: Giant Clown Shoe: not guilty

Guilty. Looks like someone scraped him with their fingernails in defense. No way those look like attack wounds.

Oooooo, look everybody - an internet-based medical expert!

Expects don't express their opinions, but obviously you're no expect.


What the hell did you just type?
 
2012-04-23 02:58:07 AM

Zizzowop: doglover: Zizzowop: 'Cause he cut himself shaving? My old lady bleeds more than that every month.

So if I fire a shotgun at you, but I miss, it's no harm no foul? Bullshiat.

Just because Treyvon wasn't very good at pounding people's heads off concrete doesn't make it a non-lethal attack to do so. You can easily die hitting your head by accident on a stone or pavement. Anyone who does the bouncing for you is trying to kill you and you should treat them as such.

The sad fact is, Treyvon might have been young, but all evidence points to the shooting being as clean cut as police initially treated it. The outrage has brought it to a Murder 2 trial instead of a manslaughter, but nothing has come to light that points at Zimmerman as anything but honest. Every new development and bit of info points to Treyvon basically working hard to get shot that night.

George put himself in that situation. I have had friends that got into fights, broken nose, even broken jaw, but they both lived because no one was packin a gun.


this . he put himself there looking for a fight antagionizing this young man till he attacked. then killed him . he's a killer , prosecute him.
 
2012-04-23 03:01:00 AM

Lorelle: Jim_Callahan: Plus, "indians" in the sense of the people that were in the Americas before the Europeans arrived are considered white anyhow.

Bullshiat. Native Americans have Asian roots.

/biracial N.A./Latina


Yeah, but European colonization happened from the 1600s to the early 1800s, our mastery of neither genetics nor geography was quite up to figuring out that that was the case (well, probably the case, there's still some argument over the land-bridge-followed-by-complete-isolation idea versus theories involving later colonists mixing in as well). Americans were pale and round-eyed, which made them White for the same reason that having wings and nesting made bats members of the "bird" category. Genetic standards are really relelvant since genetics... well, didn't exist.
 
2012-04-23 03:01:31 AM

Jim_Callahan: But yeah, sure, if I write in "martian" for race on my census form that's my official race/ethnicity as far as the government, etc is concerned, if that's what you're talking about.


That's not the full view of it though. Race is not only self identification but also how society at large identifies you. Society determines what a race is, like how white (in American society) went from Anglo-Saxon to currently any European ethnic group. White and black means other things in other regions as well.
 
2012-04-23 03:01:41 AM
arent. _arent_ relevant. Apparently I fail typing today.
 
2012-04-23 03:02:33 AM

Confabulat: God I've never been more bored by a story that won't go away this much since ever.


Ditto.

I'd say wait till the trial, but since the media and Fark already have him tried and convicted of First Degree Murder with Aggravating Circumstances plus Being White While Killing a Black Man, all that's left is to get a rope and a tree.
 
2012-04-23 03:03:12 AM

Jim_Callahan: Americans were pale and round-eyed, which made them White


Ever heard of the Washington Redskins?
 
2012-04-23 03:03:14 AM

divx88: So yes, put down your STOLEN skittles and tea and stop acting shady.


Posting pics that aren't him and lying about what happened makes you look like you're going for the "9beers troll of the thread" award.
 
2012-04-23 03:03:18 AM

9beers: Passive Aggressive Larry: I'll say this about Trayvon Martin, the kid had good taste in snacks. That Arizona tea is the best damn stuff to cure a case of cotton mouth.

The Sweet Tea is awesome and so is their Lemonade.


I like their Arnold Palmer. Tasty!
 
2012-04-23 03:05:52 AM
He cleared because he's innocent.
 
2012-04-23 03:05:58 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I hope blacks can look past their rage and let the justice system do its work unimpeded.

Part of being part of society is accepting the rulings of the court system, even when it goes against you. They didn't understand this after Rodney King, let's hope they understand it 21 years later.


Well it isn't like they have jobs to distract them from their rage. (Snap).
 
2012-04-23 03:08:05 AM

JuggleGeek: Posting pics that aren't him and lying about what happened makes you look like you're going for the "9beers troll of the thread" award.


Yep, keep throwing out the T word because you can't make one valid argument to support what you think happened that night.
 
2012-04-23 03:08:39 AM
I find it interesting you can follow someone around until they turn on you pissed off, then just kill them, totally legal. So intriguing, if you're willing to go through the trouble.
 
2012-04-23 03:10:09 AM
He = He's.
 
2012-04-23 03:10:20 AM
I lived in San Diego when the LA Riots happened. I had a free weekend and was going to go to LA. I got a late start, things kept happening that were delaying my trip for some reason, then I got one of those sixth since things that warn of trouble. I decided not to go and stayed home. My room mates had the TV on and I was glad I stayed home because the places I wanted to go, some were in the middle of riots.

I had a coworker who had a home in Paramount, he took time off so that him and his neighbors could protect their part of the neighborhood.

The footage of the truck driver getting bricks thrown at him, people shooting from the roof tops of their stores as they were looted was surreal.

I knew the violence would end because the mail couldn't get through and the first was check day. I ended going up a couple weeks later. Glass on most places was fixed but the burned out buildings were a grim reminder how something could happen in an instant.
 
2012-04-23 03:10:38 AM

bonefish: I find it interesting you can follow someone around until they turn on you pissed off, then just kill them, totally legal. So intriguing, if you're willing to go through the trouble.


Only in some states. In some states, you'll be looking at a murder charge.
 
2012-04-23 03:11:53 AM

9beers: Bathia_Mapes: You've been speculating too. You cannot deny that fact.

You also can't deny that none of my speculations have been proven false.


Says TimeCube Guy.
 
2012-04-23 03:14:39 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I hope blacks can look past their rage and let the justice system do its work unimpeded.

Part of being part of society is accepting the rulings of the court system, even when it goes against you. They didn't understand this after Rodney King, let's hope they understand it 21 years later.


4.bp.blogspot.com

(should have been the first, last and only response to your comment)
 
2012-04-23 03:16:42 AM

9beers: hbk72777: White Hispanics

WTF is a white Hispanic? Is Obama a white African American?


Rather than asking the same question again and again, you could look it up. It's a long used term in population demographics.

Or perhaps you'd like a history lesson?
The term Hispanic has to do with Spanish origins, or in some cases, origins from a country that was part of the Spanish empire. Let's stick with Spanish origins for now.

Back in the middle ages, after the fall of the Roman Empire, parts of Europe were invaded from the South. Spain, in particular, was occupied and held as "Moorish" territory. As often happens, men among the invaders take up with the local women. In this case, as the invaders were dark skinned, the children of these couplings tended to have darker skin than the Caucasian natives of Spain. The occupation of Spain lasted a long time. There was much mingling. Because of this, many Spaniards are darker than typical Caucasians, however, as is ever typical, societies develop various social tiers and those of Hispanic (from Spain) are no exception. The lighter your skin color, the more upper-class you were treated in Spain. This has been reproduced throughout Latin America where, in addition to variation in skin color from old Moorish heritage, further intermarriage between Africans and Native Americans has produced a broad variation in racial heritage for many who still match the classification of "Hispanic".

To simplify somewhat, Hispanic refers to a shorter term country of origin going back to either Spain or a Spanish colony. "White" or "Caucasian" refers to longer term racial heritage.

I'm not going to charge you this time, but next time try not to repeat questions that are actually part of a basic grammar school education, especially if you are going to ask it in a way that is trying to imply the term is somehow stupid. Because that level of a lack of awareness of self makes many of us very very sad.
 
2012-04-23 03:18:09 AM

sithon: Zizzowop: doglover: Zizzowop: 'Cause he cut himself shaving? My old lady bleeds more than that every month.

So if I fire a shotgun at you, but I miss, it's no harm no foul? Bullshiat.

Just because Treyvon wasn't very good at pounding people's heads off concrete doesn't make it a non-lethal attack to do so. You can easily die hitting your head by accident on a stone or pavement. Anyone who does the bouncing for you is trying to kill you and you should treat them as such.

The sad fact is, Treyvon might have been young, but all evidence points to the shooting being as clean cut as police initially treated it. The outrage has brought it to a Murder 2 trial instead of a manslaughter, but nothing has come to light that points at Zimmerman as anything but honest. Every new development and bit of info points to Treyvon basically working hard to get shot that night.

George put himself in that situation. I have had friends that got into fights, broken nose, even broken jaw, but they both lived because no one was packin a gun.

this . he put himself there looking for a fight antagionizing this young man till he attacked. then killed him . he's a killer , prosecute him.


He is already being prosecuted, you twit
 
2012-04-23 03:19:20 AM

doglover: Just because Treyvon wasn't very good at pounding people's heads off concrete doesn't make it a non-lethal attack to do so


Trayvon was standing his ground against some strange man who came after him with a gun in the middle of the night.

Zimmerman was the aggressor.
 
2012-04-23 03:19:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: bonefish: I find it interesting you can follow someone around until they turn on you pissed off, then just kill them, totally legal. So intriguing, if you're willing to go through the trouble.

Only in some states. In some states, you'll be looking at a murder charge.


The whole thing stinks of a high stakes version of sticking your finger in someone's face... Kind of wild it is even slightly legal, looking for trouble, playing cop what have you.
 
2012-04-23 03:21:26 AM

sonorangal: I lived in San Diego when the LA Riots happened. I had a free weekend and was going to go to LA. I got a late start, things kept happening that were delaying my trip for some reason, then I got one of those sixth since things that warn of trouble. I decided not to go and stayed home. My room mates had the TV on and I was glad I stayed home because the places I wanted to go, some were in the middle of riots.

I had a coworker who had a home in Paramount, he took time off so that him and his neighbors could protect their part of the neighborhood.

The footage of the truck driver getting bricks thrown at him, people shooting from the roof tops of their stores as they were looted was surreal.

I knew the violence would end because the mail couldn't get through and the first was check day. I ended going up a couple weeks later. Glass on most places was fixed but the burned out buildings were a grim reminder how something could happen in an instant.


Oh, that was an awesome couple days. I was doing a medic internship in Long Beach Memorial ER; a couple of my friends were at King/Drew Medical Center and Daniel Freeman. The guys at Freeman were the ones who dragged Denney off his truck after the gangbanger and his friends drove him there (the truck wouldn't fit under the ER canopy). My friend at King was there for 50 hours and was doing IVs one-handed by the end of it all, and got to treat gunshot wounds all by himself.

What I recall was going back to Long Beach the two days later, when the Marines were outside the door and treating a paramedic for exhaustion after they'd run something like 40 calls in 48 hours--he sat down and couldn't stand back up again. That and hearing the C-130's landing at Los Alamitos all night long bringing in the National Guard.

Of course my favorite memory is doing a thesis paper a few years later, analyzing why it was mostly Daryl Gates' fault the whole debacle happened in the first place. Dumbass cop.
 
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