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2012-04-22 08:48:10 PM  
Rick Scott makes Jeb Bush look like a hero. He cuts 30% of colleges budgets and opens a new one. Some favor for one of his cronies
 
2012-04-22 08:51:33 PM  
hedgephone.com
 
2012-04-22 08:54:30 PM  
Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.
 
2012-04-22 08:55:44 PM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Although they probably do through donations.
 
2012-04-22 09:00:05 PM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Yeah, nerds just go to universities to learn and teach things. What do they think college is for?
Stay home and read a book, Poindexter.
 
2012-04-22 09:03:19 PM  
Gotta get rid of them liberals at all costs.
 
2012-04-22 09:29:45 PM  
What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.
 
2012-04-22 09:31:22 PM  

IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.


Idiocracy is looking downright prophetic these days.
 
2012-04-22 09:39:39 PM  
Really the problem here is that these universities are inherently for-profit institutions with not-for-profit tax statuses.
 
2012-04-22 10:16:37 PM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


I blame the women's sports programs. If entitlement 8 wasn't around schools could cut nonprofitable programs and the sports program wouldn't need funding.
 
2012-04-22 10:23:51 PM  

Ambivalence: IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.

Idiocracy is looking downright prophetic these days.


I first heard about that movie from Fark. I saw it mentioned repeatedly, so I finally watched it. I thought it was a terrible, terrible movie.
 
2012-04-22 11:17:45 PM  
Given the "quality" of a UF education, nobody would bother going there if the sports teams sucked.
 
2012-04-22 11:46:37 PM  

Ambivalence: IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.

Idiocracy is looking downright prophetic these days.


You realize he's supporting Scott here and the 'idiots' he's referring to are the 'academic liberal elitists' or whatever the specific dog whistle is.
 
2012-04-23 12:04:34 AM  
Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's higher education system. If there was one thing that the state had going for it, it was that it was set up so that pretty much any resident could go to college if they wanted to, and in the 2 years governor Voldemort has been in office, he's been busy dynamiting the universities, even after claiming he wanted the funding to go to STEM programs.
 
2012-04-23 12:06:23 AM  
I think the real question here is, how long until the new university's football team can be competitive?
 
2012-04-23 12:10:03 AM  

IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.


You mean "Republicans".
 
2012-04-23 12:10:30 AM  

rynthetyn: Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's higher education system


Just trimming that down a little.
 
2012-04-23 12:20:19 AM  

Mugato: rynthetyn: Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's higher education system

Just trimming that down a little.


True. My brother works for the state, he's constantly complaining about one thing or another that Rick Scott is up to.
 
2012-04-23 12:23:46 AM  

Ambivalence: Nerds, not so much.


Actually they can make tons of money for a university.
 
2012-04-23 12:44:27 AM  
OMG.

You want to know why the US is on the downhill side? Here y'go.

We'd be a lot better off if we revisited the end of the Civil War, and just let the South go.

Except for New Orleans. We get to keep that.
 
2012-04-23 12:51:46 AM  

Relatively Obscure: Ambivalence: IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.

Idiocracy is looking downright prophetic these days.

I first heard about that movie from Fark. I saw it mentioned repeatedly, so I finally watched it. I thought it was a terrible, terrible movie.


Yes, terrible and disturbingly prophetic.
 
2012-04-23 12:56:58 AM  
Being the stereotypical neanderthal jock gives you all the skills you need to run a modern business.

In today business world, being an arrogant ignorant bully is an asset.
 
2012-04-23 12:57:06 AM  

CantConfirmOrDeny: just let the South go.


The South ends right around Gainesville you know. Then you start going North again. I'm glad we have the good people of Pennsylvania to show us the way.
 
2012-04-23 12:58:13 AM  

Ambivalence: IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.

Idiocracy is looking downright prophetic these days.


But it's not waiting 500 years to happen.
 
2012-04-23 12:58:18 AM  
f*ck science, right guys?

USA! UAS! SAU!

f*cking nerds!
 
2012-04-23 12:59:23 AM  
Well Computer Science, I mean, it's not like that's a growth industry or anything, right? Sure, they're fun for toying around with but will computers really be important to society overall?
 
2012-04-23 12:59:56 AM  
Ambivalence

Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives.
 
2012-04-23 01:00:20 AM  
Oh shiat, I have a funny feeling this just might give Scott Walker an idea or two...
 
2012-04-23 01:00:38 AM  

rynthetyn: Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's higher education system. If there was one thing that the state had going for it, it was that it was set up so that pretty much any resident could go to college if they wanted to, and in the 2 years governor Voldemort has been in office, he's been busy dynamiting the universities, even after claiming he wanted the funding to go to STEM programs.


Reagan pulled it off in California in the 60's. Why shouldn't his protege try to emulate the monster?

ZOMBIE REAGAN FTW!!!!
 
2012-04-23 01:00:39 AM  

rynthetyn: Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's higher education system. If there was one thing that the state had going for it, it was that it was set up so that pretty much any resident could go to college if they wanted to, and in the 2 years governor Voldemort has been in office, he's been busy dynamiting the universities, even after claiming he wanted the funding to go to STEM programs.


Heh. I can relate.

After spending 7 years building the CS curriculum from the ground up at a Chicagoland parochial high school, I got laid off while they simultaneously started a STEM program and renamed the school as a college prep.

/Idiocy in educational institutions isn't limited to Florida or the collegiate level.
//Why yes, I was replaced by a 64-year-old librarian, thanks for asking.
 
2012-04-23 01:01:16 AM  
Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

However, I do think that middle school and high school should heavily emphasize on nutrition, basic body science and basic understanding of exercises; such as knowing the difference between aerobic, anarobic and flexibility. Especially co-ordination and balance.
 
2012-04-23 01:02:01 AM  

Horatio Entwhistle: rynthetyn: Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's higher education system. If there was one thing that the state had going for it, it was that it was set up so that pretty much any resident could go to college if they wanted to, and in the 2 years governor Voldemort has been in office, he's been busy dynamiting the universities, even after claiming he wanted the funding to go to STEM programs.

Heh. I can relate.

After spending 7 years building the CS curriculum from the ground up at a Chicagoland parochial high school, I got laid off while they simultaneously started a STEM program and renamed the school as a college prep.

/Idiocy in educational institutions isn't limited to Florida or the collegiate level.
//Why yes, I was replaced by a 64-year-old librarian, thanks for asking.


Because the internet is for porn?
 
2012-04-23 01:02:13 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Ambivalence: Nerds, not so much.

Actually they can make tons of money for a university.


especially if/when they develop a new patent or new technology. but research isn't 'sexy'. it doesn't have cheerleaders, it's not 'kewl'. intelligence and education certainly aren't respected anymore.

nope, we're just gonna say 'f*ck education' and keep outsourcing key jobs. Because hey, i'm sure that won't ever weaken this country, right?
 
2012-04-23 01:04:08 AM  
As a UCF student, I am expecting something like this it happen any day now. I very much hope that Rick Scott gets thrown out of office; unfortunately, with so many old people living here, I doubt it.
 
2012-04-23 01:04:34 AM  

rynthetyn: Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's PUBLIC higher education system.


FTFY. He's all about giving tax money to his cronies.
 
2012-04-23 01:06:34 AM  

Weaver95: f*ck science, right guys?

USA! UAS! SAU!

f*cking nerds!


HIS PUNCTUATIONS IS CORRECT, HE'S ONE OF THEM1
 
2012-04-23 01:08:06 AM  
I should note that university of florida is often ranked in playboy as #9 party school of the US out of hundreds of universities in the US

/ Predictably, BYU won most stone cold sober for the 12th year in the row.
// Naturally, playboy's system isn't academic.
/// Oddly the stone cold sober almost is, thanks to Princeton Review.
 
2012-04-23 01:08:08 AM  
Florida's athletic department funds itself. It's not as if someone decided to take $2 million from CS and give it to athletics. They're different budgets.
 
2012-04-23 01:08:20 AM  

Smackledorfer: Weaver95: f*ck science, right guys?

USA! UAS! SAU!

f*cking nerds!

HIS PUNCTUATIONS IS CORRECT, HE'S ONE OF THEM1


I doant knew what yer talkin' 'bout thar mein....I rn't one o'them nerd!s
 
2012-04-23 01:09:14 AM  
Farking math. How does it work?
 
2012-04-23 01:09:23 AM  

Weaver95: Smackledorfer: Weaver95: f*ck science, right guys?

USA! UAS! SAU!

f*cking nerds!

HIS PUNCTUATIONS IS CORRECT, HE'S ONE OF THEM1

I doant knew what yer talkin' 'bout thar mein....I rn't one o'them nerd!s


It's too late. Lets make litter out of this literati!

/oops
 
2012-04-23 01:09:46 AM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Hahaha. Retards actually think this. Precious.
 
2012-04-23 01:10:39 AM  

Confabulat: CantConfirmOrDeny: just let the South go.

The South ends right around Gainesville you know. Then you start going North again. I'm glad we have the good people of Pennsylvania to show us the way.


Gainesville is such a weird town. It's pretty much half rednecks and half people connected to UF, with a certain level of overlap between the two. Plus, the same city that produced the crazy Koran burning guy also elected the only openly gay mayor in the state, and it's not the least bit surprising that both things are true.
 
2012-04-23 01:10:45 AM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Cut all research funding a school gets over the course of a year. See just how quick it kills the school.

Cut all athletic funding, boo hoo no more sports. Cut all academic funding, no more school.
 
2012-04-23 01:11:45 AM  

Lou Brown: Florida's athletic department funds itself. It's not as if someone decided to take $2 million from CS and give it to athletics. They're different budgets.


yes, but the point here is that the athletic department never faces financial difficulty while an ENTIRE COMPUTER DEGREE PROGRAM is being eliminated. not budget cut. not reorganized. eliminated. gone. never to return.

notice that you're using a computer right now? ever seen anyone in the country use computer technology during your working day? ya might think that maybe developing the skills and talents of American students in the computer field would be important for the further development of the US computer industry. But then...if you thought like that, you wouldn't be a Republican legislator.
 
2012-04-23 01:13:02 AM  
In Florida, the universities are dumping some programs that are being picked up by the state college system (former community colleges)...the former comm. colleges now can offer 4-yr Bachelor degrees

I bet that Santa Fe State College....also in Gainesville....will pick up the programs

This stuff has been happening before Rick Scott took over

Now, the new FL Polytech is just the old Univ of South FL branch campus that offered technical degrees. They wanted to break from USF for years...finally...good move
 
2012-04-23 01:17:00 AM  

Weaver95: especially if/when they develop a new patent or new technology. but research isn't 'sexy'. it doesn't have cheerleaders, it's not 'kewl'.


Did you ever wonder what would happen if universities had their tech and science departments work with their filthy liberal arts departments and put out summaries of of all of their advancements in a way that the average person could read and understand (while at the same time being overseen so that it doesn't have the standard idiot journalist disregard for what the studies actual show or suggest, of course) and make that available over the internet, and maybe even a free community newsletter for people interested in subscribing?

Its like with NASA. NASA is worth far more than the money spent on it, but when nobody has a clue about all the things resulting from that work, everyone thinks its not that important.

It wouldn't have to be special or fancy, just a regular reminder. I think a lot of people, if they were given that kind of information, would value universities more highly. I also think many people who don't trust the science and tech journalism as a general rule might still be interested in learning it. It would improve the quality of our journalists as well.

I think it would be worth the cost the university to do such a thing. Might even motivate some alumni to kick in a little more.
 
2012-04-23 01:17:13 AM  

Weaver95: WhyteRaven74: Ambivalence: Nerds, not so much.

Actually they can make tons of money for a university.

especially if/when they develop a new patent or new technology. but research isn't 'sexy'. it doesn't have cheerleaders, it's not 'kewl'. intelligence and education certainly aren't respected anymore.

nope, we're just gonna say 'f*ck education' and keep outsourcing key jobs. Because hey, i'm sure that won't ever weaken this country, right?


--------------------------------------------------------------------

Reality is that science grads do not contribute money to the school after graduation

The biggest donors on the academic side of a college/univ are the same ones who are the biggest donors on the athletic side. Which is why every university president at a major school is now so involved with athletics.....those people who fund the sports are the ones that fund the geeks, too
 
2012-04-23 01:17:22 AM  
Because everyone knows now that even an ex-addict, college cheerleader with mediocre grades
and a record of multiple failed businesses can can grow up to become President..
 
2012-04-23 01:18:33 AM  
To be fair, some of the worst programmers I've worked with have been formally educated in it.
 
2012-04-23 01:18:46 AM  
FTA: "Now, I'm not saying that UF has chosen football over science. (Imagine the outcry, though, if UF cut a major sport instead of a major science department.) Actually, the real villains here are the Florida state legislators, who have cut the budget for their flagship university by 30% over the past 6 years."

Horseshiat. Football is a total waste of time.
 
2012-04-23 01:18:50 AM  

clancifer: IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.

You mean "Republicans".


Ahem......

This. Same as yesterday. Tomorrow? Pretty much the same.
 
2012-04-23 01:19:27 AM  
All that rape ain't gonna pay for itself.
 
2012-04-23 01:19:45 AM  

Weaver95: WhyteRaven74: Ambivalence: Nerds, not so much.

Actually they can make tons of money for a university.

especially if/when they develop a new patent or new technology. but research isn't 'sexy'. it doesn't have cheerleaders, it's not 'kewl'. intelligence and education certainly aren't respected anymore.

nope, we're just gonna say 'f*ck education' and keep outsourcing key jobs. Because hey, i'm sure that won't ever weaken this country, right?


UF has a massive patent portfolio, to the point that there's a law firm in Gainesville that exists almost entirely to handle UF's patents. You'd think that our idiot politicians would know that, considering the number of them who went to UF, but I think they're all the frat boys who spent their college years making UF one of the top 10 party schools, not the ones who were developing the university's patent portfolio.

/My UF EE grad student cousin is currently working on researching something really ridiculously complicated that NASA needs for their future space probes
 
2012-04-23 01:22:04 AM  
oh sure you farkers don't say anything to the drunk guy that thinks he's smrt!
 
2012-04-23 01:22:48 AM  
I'm told that Learjet (now Smith's Aerospace) is having serious problems finding qualified aerospace engineers who are also US citizens (You must be a US citizen to gain the required security clearances for military planes). In a desperate, parsimonious attempt to scrounge up as many qualified people as they can, they have literally forked the entire company into the US citizen half and the non-US citizen half. All the non-US citizens work on civilian projects while all the US citizens work for military projects. And they still don't have enough.

I think this effect is partially why we're seeing such a major undertaking to uptick STEM graduates recently. When it gets to the point where we can't keep planes in the air, because there aren't enough engineers who know how they work, the air force turns around and simply says 'f*ck you, we'll just do it ourselves.'

I don't predict an onset of Idiocracy. Quite the contrary, if we get much more flashback against this anti-intellectualism, we may see a new Golden age.
 
2012-04-23 01:23:42 AM  
I have a bachelor's degree from UF. I've never bothered to use it for anything and I leave it off resumes because it just confuses people.
 
2012-04-23 01:23:49 AM  
And the Great Simplification continues.

/Who needs that fancy book learnin' when we can be playing football?
 
2012-04-23 01:24:38 AM  

IronTom: It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.


can't it be both?

/the GOP has worked hard on both fronts lately, its not fair to credit them for only half the strides they have made recently.
 
2012-04-23 01:26:56 AM  

Smackledorfer: Weaver95: Smackledorfer: Weaver95: f*ck science, right guys?

USA! UAS! SAU!

f*cking nerds!

HIS PUNCTUATIONS IS CORRECT, HE'S ONE OF THEM1

I doant knew what yer talkin' 'bout thar mein....I rn't one o'them nerd!s

It's too late. Lets make litter out of this literati!

/oops


Smackledorfer: "He's one of them! (In an effeminate voice) 'Oh, f*ck science, right guys?'"

Weaver95: "I don't talk like that."

Smackledorfer: "'I don't talk like that'"

Secret Service Thug: "shiat, I thought there was two of you."
 
2012-04-23 01:27:05 AM  
Florida is a state dedicated to the furtherance of criminal enterprise. Cutting their computer science programs can only help the world.
 
2012-04-23 01:27:47 AM  
I see alot of blame going around and none towards the people who watch college sports like it is the pinnacle of entertainment and trivia knowledge.

The market has spoken.
 
2012-04-23 01:28:42 AM  
Gee, I hope we can elect a republican president to send the whole farking country on an ass-backwards course.

/I wonder whom we will be at war with by the end of the idiot republican president's first term?
//probably ourselves
 
2012-04-23 01:28:56 AM  
Athletic departments bring in big alumni bucks, and that's all those evil, greedy corporate college owners care about. The government needs to take over University of Florida, or at least impose heavy regulations, because, ya know, the government is benevolent and cares about us.
 
2012-04-23 01:29:34 AM  

ChuDogg: I see alot of blame going around and none towards the people who watch college sports like it is the pinnacle of entertainment and trivia knowledge.

The market has spoken.


College football IS one of the pinnacles of entertainment on a good Saturday.
 
2012-04-23 01:30:33 AM  
Florida is little more than a giant nursing home where geezers from all over go to wait to die. And people who get Comp. Sci. degrees don't want to work in retirement communities or wear Mickey Mouse costumes in 90-degree heat. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised this happened.
 
2012-04-23 01:31:35 AM  
Let's be honest: it's not like anything good has ever come out of the state of Florida anyway. Who cares if their colleges suck too?
 
2012-04-23 01:33:11 AM  
BS in Applied Information Technology, current grad CS student. Been miffed about 1-and-done athletes for years, finally figured out why:

I don't care if somebody wants to go to school for 1 year then "chase their dream" -- what's it to me? The whole 'what will they do when they retire w/o a degree' is their problem. Who am I to give them advice??

Actually, I'm a taxpayer and (currently) a student. If Billy wants to enroll for a year and split, so be it. BUT if a state university actively recruits BIlly, gives him a scholarship + room + board + books + fees... great for Billy: stay and finish yer cotten-pickin' degree. You leave early, pay it back so some serious student can attend.

Colleges are a de facto Minor League for the pros. Does anybody really believe otherwise? Acknowledge what is the plain truth and be done with it. Pro teams want to recruit college kids? Fine: repay their scholarships and stuff. Pissing away scholarships for athletes means less monies for kids (or adults) who could really use the help in getting a degree.

I don't begrudge Billy for being able to play a game well. I don't begrudge him for getting a free ride to play a game. I don't even begrudge him for trying to look over my shoulder in Calc II (as long as he doesn't get me busted: I won't actively move my paper for him to see beter, though). I do begrudge Billy for taking money away from students who are going to school to learn something, all the while knowing he won't be there long enough to learn where the bathrooms are in the library. Further, I begrudge the AD for actively looking for next year's replacement Billy upon whom to shower freebies without any academic responsibilities.

/gets off of soapbox
//goes back to homework
 
2012-04-23 01:33:55 AM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


This is not true. Most universities lose money on maintaining their athletic programs:

"[N]early all universities lose money on sports. Recently the NCAA reported that only 14 Division I-A programs clear a profit, while no college or university in the United States has an athletic department that is financially self-sustaining. Nobody in Division I -- not Alabama, not Auburn, not Oklahoma, nobody -- has an athletic department that pays its own way. "

But you'd know this, if you'd focused more on your own academics.
 
2012-04-23 01:34:05 AM  

cmb53208: Florida is little more than a giant nursing home where geezers from all over go to wait to die. And people who get Comp. Sci. degrees don't want to work in retirement communities or wear Mickey Mouse costumes in 90-degree heat. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised this happened.


Have you ever BEEN to Florida? That joke hasn't been relevant since the early 1980s.
 
2012-04-23 01:36:32 AM  
I don't have a problem with college athletics, I have a problem with them cutting the CS program and cutting funding for the engineering school, while at the same time my tuition increases and they increase funds for the athletic programs.
 
2012-04-23 01:36:46 AM  

jayhawk88: Well Computer Science, I mean, it's not like that's a growth industry or anything, right? Sure, they're fun for toying around with but will computers really be important to society overall?


My father actually told me computers and video games were a fad back in the 80's. He was a complete idiot.
 
2012-04-23 01:37:07 AM  

Confabulat: cmb53208: Florida is little more than a giant nursing home where geezers from all over go to wait to die. And people who get Comp. Sci. degrees don't want to work in retirement communities or wear Mickey Mouse costumes in 90-degree heat. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised this happened.

Have you ever BEEN to Florida? That joke hasn't been relevant since the early 1980s.


I agree. Now its now a melting pot of senior, idiots, and assholes.
 
2012-04-23 01:39:52 AM  
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Before I sing the national anthem, I'd just like to say that college football diverts funds that are badly-needed for education and the arts!

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www.vistaseeker.com

Wait a second, she's right!

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.....The next day:

26.media.tumblr.com


/not the correct pictures, but the best I could do with what the internet gave me.
 
2012-04-23 01:41:49 AM  

LordOfThePings: To be fair, some of the worst programmers I've worked with have been formally educated in it.


The very worst programmers have comp. sci. degrees. Writing code is not hard. Comp. sci degrees don't teach practical problem solving, they teach theory and gadgetry. I pick a physicist who can write code over a comp. sci. grad everytime with zero regrets.

Now if you want to build up a team of 20+ people who have to all work together on a large project in a highly collaborative fashion, you want your comp. sci. grad. However, also hire one good programming physicist to write a working prototype that they can all ridicule and spend the 2 years trying to replicate the functionality that one guy can produce in 6 months.
 
2012-04-23 01:42:25 AM  

Corporate Self: Now its now a melting pot of senior, idiots, and assholes


Sometimes all three in one!

And don't forget meth heads.
 
2012-04-23 01:43:15 AM  

CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.


Did they also abolish the English Department?
 
2012-04-23 01:46:54 AM  
Muhahahahahahahahahahha!!!!!!

First Wisconsin, now Florida!!!!

/UF CS alum
// sob
 
2012-04-23 01:50:44 AM  
The problem is that Florida doesn't have enough jobs for Computer Scientists. The state subsidizes their education, but they take that education elsewhere and out-of-state. The state doesn't get anything back for their investment.

Football on the other hand...
 
2012-04-23 01:51:51 AM  

Sim Tree: I'm told that Learjet (now Smith's Aerospace) is having serious problems finding qualified aerospace engineers who are also US citizens



I think you mean Engineers that are willing to work for 1/4th what they should. That's the sad truth that all companies don't want to admit. They claim it's a shortage of workers, but it's a shortage of cheap labor.
 
2012-04-23 01:54:42 AM  

fusillade762: CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

Did they also abolish the English Department?


Drunk, deaf and used to closed captioning typically reserved for 9th graders. I pretty much had to teach english grammar to myself since most of the teachers I had believed that deaf people would not understand english. To their credit I do understand their reasoning, since we as the deaf is kinda farked and the english is a mish mash of german/romanic rules and words.
 
2012-04-23 01:55:29 AM  

mc6809e: The problem is that Florida doesn't have enough jobs for Computer Scientists. The state subsidizes their education, but they take that education elsewhere and out-of-state. The state doesn't get anything back for their investment.

Football on the other hand...


Florida relies on government handouts. If it wasn't for social security and NASA/military, the only things holding up the economy in the private sector are tourism and illegal drugs.
 
2012-04-23 01:57:35 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-23 01:58:34 AM  

mc6809e: The problem is that Florida doesn't have enough jobs for Computer Scientists. The state subsidizes their education, but they take that education elsewhere and out-of-state. The state doesn't get anything back for their investment.

Football on the other hand...


Here's the ridiculous thing. Gainesville just lured a big tech company to the area precisely because of UF's comp sci and engineering programs, and then UF promptly decided that it would be smart to run things into the ground.
 
2012-04-23 02:03:46 AM  

ChuDogg: I see alot of blame going around and none towards the people who watch college sports like it is the pinnacle of entertainment and trivia knowledge.

The market has spoken.


The invisible hand shows people will pay for college sports: for the junk, and through advertising. That is the sum total of market forces in this situation. Barriers to entry, massive regulations (hey, lets make millions off of people we don't pay!), and the like keep it from being anything close to a functioning market. The money brought in from students is higher than it perhaps should be (thanks to loans, though that may be a worthwhile cost in order to achieve increased education numbers). Finally, the scientific knowledge of universities is essentially free R&D to businesses in many cases (see the pharm industry).


James F. Campbell: Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.

This is not true. Most universities lose money on maintaining their athletic programs:

"[N]early all universities lose money on sports. Recently the NCAA reported that only 14 Division I-A programs clear a profit, while no college or university in the United States has an athletic department that is financially self-sustaining. Nobody in Division I -- not Alabama, not Auburn, not Oklahoma, nobody -- has an athletic department that pays its own way. "

But you'd know this, if you'd focused more on your own academics.


Only if we assume all donations to the schools would be the same if it weren't for the sports. That is an awfully big assumption.
 
2012-04-23 02:06:01 AM  
Even the University of Cincinnati, a school known for its Engineering department cut Computer Science. They thought Software Engineering and Computer Engineering would handle it. Unfortunately neither of those departments do great algorithmic research that I believe is important to computing.

The people I know that went to Software Engineering at my school couldnt handle the algorithms in Computer Science.
 
2012-04-23 02:06:06 AM  

intelligent comment below: Sim Tree: I'm told that Learjet (now Smith's Aerospace) is having serious problems finding qualified aerospace engineers who are also US citizens


I think you mean Engineers that are willing to work for 1/4th what they should. That's the sad truth that all companies don't want to admit. They claim it's a shortage of workers, but
it's a shortage of cheap labor.


Just wanted to make sure everyone saw that. It's always the issue. Afraid someone might be getting paid what they're worth seems to be a traditional corporate paranoia.
See Henry Ford vs striking workers, any coal mining strike, newspaper strikes, and our latest boon for corporate 'merika, the financial collapse of '08 when, by 2010 you'd be happy to be flipping burgers.
 
2012-04-23 02:08:56 AM  

CrispFlows: fusillade762: CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

Did they also abolish the English Department?

Drunk, deaf and used to closed captioning typically reserved for 9th graders. I pretty much had to teach english grammar to myself since most of the teachers I had believed that deaf people would not understand english. To their credit I do understand their reasoning, since we as the deaf is kinda farked and the english is a mish mash of german/romanic rules and words.


Dammit! The one time I try to be snarky and I end up picking on a disabled person. Apologies.
 
2012-04-23 02:15:25 AM  
Colleges and universities don't all need to have all possible courses of study in their curriculum. If a school has a great program that turns out high quality graduates, then they should keep going. If a school has a department that's just not very good, they should shut it down and let the students transfer to colleges with actual worthwhile degree programs.

Too many "universities" got caught up in the "universal" idea of education. Just because you can hand out degrees in something doesn't mean you should...

This also returns to the Fark thread earlier today (and many previous ones) about those students with college degrees and no/lousy jobs. There are a lot of colleges with degree programs in (insert subject here), churning out graduates who are incapable of actually doing professional-quality work.

Most of the worst are almost completely staffed by previous graduates from the same school. One of the best ways to measure the quality of a college is to see where the professors got their education. If most or all of them are alumni of the same department? Run away...
 
2012-04-23 02:19:54 AM  
Why don't we just set up athletics universities, and real universities?
 
2012-04-23 02:20:59 AM  

Smackledorfer: Weaver95: especially if/when they develop a new patent or new technology. but research isn't 'sexy'. it doesn't have cheerleaders, it's not 'kewl'.

Did you ever wonder what would happen if universities had their tech and science departments work with their filthy liberal arts departments and put out summaries of of all of their advancements in a way that the average person could read and understand (while at the same time being overseen so that it doesn't have the standard idiot journalist disregard for what the studies actual show or suggest, of course) and make that available over the internet, and maybe even a free community newsletter for people interested in subscribing?

Its like with NASA. NASA is worth far more than the money spent on it, but when nobody has a clue about all the things resulting from that work, everyone thinks its not that important.

It wouldn't have to be special or fancy, just a regular reminder. I think a lot of people, if they were given that kind of information, would value universities more highly. I also think many people who don't trust the science and tech journalism as a general rule might still be interested in learning it. It would improve the quality of our journalists as well.

I think it would be worth the cost the university to do such a thing. Might even motivate some alumni to kick in a little more.


They do. NASA does too. Any university or government research agency that depends on tax dollars or donations publishes all the stuff they do, and it's usually in a very layman-friendly format. The problem is that they can create the material, but without advertising budgets that rival the campaign money that politicians have access to, the average person isn't going to hear about it. The information is available if people bother to look, but very few people bother.
 
2012-04-23 02:23:17 AM  

fusillade762: CrispFlows: fusillade762: CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

Did they also abolish the English Department?

Drunk, deaf and used to closed captioning typically reserved for 9th graders. I pretty much had to teach english grammar to myself since most of the teachers I had believed that deaf people would not understand english. To their credit I do understand their reasoning, since we as the deaf is kinda farked and the english is a mish mash of german/romanic rules and words.

Dammit! The one time I try to be snarky and I end up picking on a disabled person. Apologies.


You're not supposed to treat discapabled people (or whatever this week's PC term is) any differently than other people. They are just as able to take snark as normals.
 
2012-04-23 02:23:50 AM  

Lou Brown: Florida's athletic department funds itself. It's not as if someone decided to take $2 million from CS and give it to athletics. They're different budgets.


Not only this, but the University Athletic Association at UF gives several million dollars per year of athletics profit back to the university to use on academics.

You can say a lot of things about athletics vs. academics, but saying that UF athletics harms the academic programs is not one of them. They turn a profit, give money back to the university, and are the reason for a large chunk of donations to the school.

All that being said, it sucks to see this happening. But this follows the current popular trend of slashing public education -- hey, Rick Scott and friends can pay for private school, so why should their tax dollars help educate the rest of the nation? This is one of the things that happens when you cut 30% from a school's budget, you need to make tough choices and cut some really important programs.
 
2012-04-23 02:26:39 AM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Weaver95: WhyteRaven74: Ambivalence: Nerds, not so much.

Actually they can make tons of money for a university.

especially if/when they develop a new patent or new technology. but research isn't 'sexy'. it doesn't have cheerleaders, it's not 'kewl'. intelligence and education certainly aren't respected anymore.

nope, we're just gonna say 'f*ck education' and keep outsourcing key jobs. Because hey, i'm sure that won't ever weaken this country, right?

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Reality is that science grads do not contribute money to the school after graduation

The biggest donors on the academic side of a college/univ are the same ones who are the biggest donors on the athletic side. Which is why every university president at a major school is now so involved with athletics.....those people who fund the sports are the ones that fund the geeks, too


That's right everybody, colleges exist in order to create funding for themselves and produce pro athletes that go on to play for multi-billion dollar sports teams. Fark the pure sciences, those eggheads never made any money for anyone anyway.

USA! USA!
 
2012-04-23 02:27:38 AM  

Corporate Self: Being the stereotypical neanderthal jock gives you all the skills you need to run a modern business.

In today business world, being an arrogant ignorant bully is an asset.


you probably mean this ironically, but really, when has this not been true?
 
2012-04-23 02:27:48 AM  

buckler: Why don't we just set up athletics universities, and real universities?


Right, kick ass. Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your fark profile that you're farked up. Ah, you talk like a fig (NTTAWWT), and your shiat's all retarded. What I'd do, is just like... like... you know, like, you know what I mean, like...
 
2012-04-23 02:29:04 AM  

IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.


What has happened to America? It's like it's been taken over by idiots or people who don't like universities.
 
2012-04-23 02:29:35 AM  

artifishy: [i.imgur.com image 640x468]


holy fark thats beautiful
 
2012-04-23 02:30:34 AM  
Anyone know what's really going on here?

I assume cutting Comp Sci was calling Scott's bluff, to show him: you cut our budget, here's where we have to cut--to cause an outcry?

Because I can't imagine that cut was a serious response to the situation. It had to be a "card" they were playing.

Right?
 
2012-04-23 02:33:03 AM  

fusillade762: CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

Did they also abolish the English Department?


No shiat, I was going to make a snarky retort which would be best read in David Spade's voice.
 
2012-04-23 02:34:26 AM  

soupbone: buckler: Why don't we just set up athletics universities, and real universities?

Right, kick ass. Well, don't want to sound like a dick or nothin', but, ah... it says on your fark profile that you're farked up. Ah, you talk like a fig (NTTAWWT), and your shiat's all retarded. What I'd do, is just like... like... you know, like, you know what I mean, like...


[jack_chick]

HAW HAW!

[/jack_chick]
 
2012-04-23 02:36:11 AM  

Christian Bale: Anyone know what's really going on here?

I assume cutting Comp Sci was calling Scott's bluff, to show him: you cut our budget, here's where we have to cut--to cause an outcry?

Because I can't imagine that cut was a serious response to the situation. It had to be a "card" they were playing.

Right?


I can see that. Scott was saying months ago they needed to get rid of liberal arts and focus on real technology anyway. This could be the university cutting off its nose to spite his Luthor face.
 
2012-04-23 02:39:40 AM  
I've never met any UF CS grads, so I don't know immediately if this is a good thing or a bad thing.

We desperately need more quality programmers in this country, so this seems like a colossal failure.
 
2012-04-23 02:46:21 AM  
The more I think about it, the more I wonder if the whole university budget slashing thing is at least in part due to resentment from the current crop of tea party lawmakers. UF (and to a lesser extent, FSU) alumni have historically had a stranglehold on control of politics in the state and a lot of the political wannabe types who didn't get into those schools carry a chip on their shoulder against those who could (especially if we're talking about the lawyers who could only manage to get into Stetson). Those people who have been carrying a chip on their shoulder about not going to UF or FSU got into office on waves of tea party resentment and promptly went about cutting UF and FSU's funds while turning around and giving a bunch of money to spin off USF Polytechnic into its own separate school.

In the end, I don't think this is about athletics, I think this is about the fact that Rick Scott and the tea partiers in the legislature have an inferiority complex about their own backgrounds and are taking it out on the state's flagship university.
 
2012-04-23 02:48:48 AM  
Given the nerd jihad against intellectual property (eliminate all patents! copyrights is evil!), perhaps the university is being pragmatic. Universities traditionally made money out of licensing patents & nerds are always arguing that you shouldn't be able to patent IT stuff. Why pour money into a hole where the profits are accumulated by outfits that appropriate the ideas of others like Google when you can get real money out of an athletics program?
 
2012-04-23 02:50:16 AM  
Stupid Republicans. Biology is the worst enemy of Christianity, not computer science. You can't force social change by burning books if you can't read to know which books to burn.
 
2012-04-23 02:52:37 AM  

fusillade762: Dammit! The one time I try to be snarky and I end up picking on a disabled person. Apologies.


HA!

It's is an unfair trump card for me to use.

I would rather my deficiencies to be undetected without any regard to my disability. Any constructive criticism you give and any in the future would be greatly welcomed.

You should see my English 3 years ago - it's completely atrocious. If anything, your 'picking' on me is actually helpful.
 
2012-04-23 02:55:30 AM  

Smackledorfer: Only if we assume all donations to the schools would be the same if it weren't for the sports. That is an awfully big assumption.


From the same article:

"The money-pit aspect of big collegiate sports occurs despite the flow of booster contributions to "athletic foundations" and similar accounts. Booster funds not only fail to make collegiate sports self-sustaining, they may harm the colleges overall -- since many alumni and boosters who might donate to the general endowment or the scholarship campaign of Maryland or Miami or Wisconsin donate instead to the booster organizations. Over the years, billionaire T. Boone Pickens has donated nearly $500 million to Oklahoma State, his alma mater -- but most of the money has gone to athletics, not academics. The donation that UNC-Charlotte requires, in addition to the PSL fee? It goes to the booster fund, not to academics. At many colleges and universities, athletic programs cannibalize donations that might have gone to education."

If someone is donating to a school because of athletics, that money is more than likely going to be used solely for athletics anyway. Besides, your response smacks of the broken window fallacy given that the vast majority of schools are already losing money by having athletic departments.
 
2012-04-23 03:00:28 AM  

Confabulat: I can see that. Scott was saying months ago they needed to get rid of liberal arts and focus on real technology anyway. This could be the university cutting off its nose to spite his Luthor face.


Very possible, though I know nothing about Florida politics. When the US Congress gets in a tiff and the government shuts down, the agencies always make sure that all the tourist attractions, national parks, etc are closed. It's called Washington Monument Syndrome. They do it to get the public mad and force Congress to pass a budget.
 
2012-04-23 03:00:52 AM  

narkor: Given the nerd jihad against intellectual property (eliminate all patents! copyrights is evil!), perhaps the university is being pragmatic. Universities traditionally made money out of licensing patents & nerds are always arguing that you shouldn't be able to patent IT stuff. Why pour money into a hole where the profits are accumulated by outfits that appropriate the ideas of others like Google when you can get real money out of an athletics program?


Oh, trolling much are we?
 
2012-04-23 03:01:46 AM  
So, in other words, they only increased their athletic budget by a paltry 3 million?
 
2012-04-23 03:02:42 AM  
Er, .3 million that is.

If only my school had spent more on education?
 
2012-04-23 03:20:34 AM  

scalpod: So, in other words, they only increased their athletic budget by a paltry 3 million?


Hardly keeps up with inflation, you know.
 
2012-04-23 03:23:20 AM  
Just to be clear about who donates money to alma maters...

Melinda Gates, 209M$+ to Duke since 1998

Seriously, I'd ask how dumb you can get, but it's Florida so that's anyone's guess. Can someone find me an athlete who gave anything close to as much to any philanthropic cause? Anyone? Here's a hint, there aren't any. By the time football players are washed up, they've put all their earnings into hookers and coke.

Just damn man, wtf is up with the stupid people ruining the country? I daresay Florida is looking to keep its synonym for idiot firmly in place.
 
2012-04-23 03:25:15 AM  
The day is coming, and probably not that far off, when we'll have to start sending our kids abroad for a decent college education. You know why? Because America has quit giving a shiat about STEM or whatever the look-we-really-do-care term of the day is.

Back during the Cold War we decided it was time to get our shiat together and beat the USSR. We couldn't do it on manpower or horsepower alone -- we had to get smart fast. Government and the defense industry funded the best and brightest and the result was forty years or so of leadership in technical fields, men on the moon, all that great, world-changing stuff that we look back on and wish we could have again.

But starting around 1980 or so, the culture wars really started in earnest, and the people who traditionally believed in big defense budgets (the Republicans) were suddenly also the people who were suspicious of all those eggheads again. For awhile they were able to coast on the residual technical momentum from the golden age, but around the mid-90s things really started to fall apart. Compare Apollo in the 1960s and the Voyager and Viking missions in the 1970s and 1980s to the string of aborted, failed and ignored missions from 2000 on. We couldn't get our own space station Freedom up, so we had to collaborate with other countries on the ISS. Now we can't get our astronauts to the space station we don't own without more help.

I don't think that has really sunk in for people yet. As of the landing of Discovery several months ago, we are not currently a spacefaring nation. We went from a late start to winning the "space race" to pissing it all away, because America doesn't care about that kind of stuff any more. We just don't. And I can't even really blame our elected leaders, because I can see they're just putting it where their constituents tell them to on the priority list.

I just took the family to visit the Udvar-Hazy Annex of the Smithsonian Air and Space museum. They have an SR-71 Blackbird there. It's a cool plane -- but it's a museum piece now. The plane it was supposed to help replace, the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service because we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s. The SR-71 was likewise unretired for awhile because its successors (satellites and drones) couldn't fill the role they were supposed to, when they were needed.

We're flying almost 60-year-old spy plane designs because they can do things nothing designed since then can do. We have to rent cabin space from the country that was the reason we went into space in the first place. And now there's a full-on war against education by a large coalition of ideologues with the tacit or explicit support of a large part of the citizenry. You can't go much further down this road before somebody like Canada just walks in and takes over because "why the hell not? None of their technology is worth a damn any more, it'd be stupid to let that kind of opportunity just sit there and take a chance they'll wake up and grow a functioning high-tech industry again."
 
2012-04-23 03:25:44 AM  
I have met quite a few football fans and IT professionals in my time. Im not 100% convinced that the wrong decision was made here.
 
2012-04-23 03:32:48 AM  

Urinal Cake Mix: Let's be honest: it's not like anything good has ever come out of the state of Florida anyway. Who cares if their colleges suck too?


This came out of Florida. © Me

i1177.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-23 03:36:53 AM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Nerds in general actually make the majority of money for most Universities, the school takes between 1/2 and 2/3 of any research grant to subsidize undergrads and administration, neither of which produce any money whatsoever (yes, tuition is high for an unemployed teenager, no, it doesn't really cover the entire cost of teaching you). And that 1/2 is massively larger than athletic program income if you aren't UT Austin, OU, or USC (or maybe Florida).

Computer Science specifically doesn't pull much research funding nowadays, though. Frankly there's not really a whole lot of first-principles work to be done with software anymore, it's on the verge of not really meriting its own academic category at all and getting folded into various other departments in most places. There are almost no non-cross-disciplinary CS projects anymore.
 
2012-04-23 03:39:07 AM  
FTA: Let's get this straight: in the midst of a technology revolution, with a shortage of engineers and computer scientists...

There is no shortage of engineers and computer scientists. Or there is a shortage just like there's a shortage of elite players in professional sports. Those that hire engineers and computer scientists want miracleworkers that are willing to work for peanuts.
 
2012-04-23 03:45:08 AM  

Kensey: the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service because we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s.


Nonsense. Satellites can do everything the U2 can and then some. The U2 was essentially obsolete as a spy plane at the time Gary Powers got shot down in one.

The U2 still gets used but not as a reconnaissance plane. It's doing scientific research.
 
2012-04-23 03:46:01 AM  
submitted this with the headline "stay poor, deep south"

/i still like mine better
 
2012-04-23 03:53:16 AM  

KrmtDfrog: submitted this with the headline "stay poor, deep south"

/i still like mine better


Except again, you missed the Deep South by several hundred miles. The Florida peninsula is not the Deep South.
 
2012-04-23 03:54:10 AM  

Befuddled: FTA: Let's get this straight: in the midst of a technology revolution, with a shortage of engineers and computer scientists...

There is no shortage of engineers and computer scientists. Or there is a shortage just like there's a shortage of elite players in professional sports. Those that hire engineers and computer scientists want miracleworkers that are willing to work for peanuts.


I'm sorry you feel so bad about being treated like literally every other tech profession on the planet since Ug's boss was getting on his ass about the wheel project being behind schedule and implied that he might be making a smoke-signal to cro magnon resources if there wasn't more progress soon.
 
2012-04-23 03:55:24 AM  
The University of Florida hasn't seen cuts like this since Danny Rolling came to town...

/now I feel horrible...
//slaps self
 
2012-04-23 04:04:25 AM  

Befuddled: Kensey: the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service bo the scene.ecause we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s.

Nonsense. Satellites can do everything the U2 can Only not as fast to the target and then some. The U2 was essentially obsolete as a spy plane at the time Gary Powers got shot down in one. No

The U2 still gets used but not as a reconnaissance plane. It's doing scientific research.

No, it is still being used for recon. Scheduled to be phased out by 2015 but most likely will be extended.

From USA Today "The Obama administration has nearly doubled its request to fund the 32-airplane fleet to $91 million to keep the U-2 aloft. The 80 Air Force pilots qualified to fly the tricky-to-handle plane can expect to continue their spy missions until 2015."
 
2012-04-23 04:10:17 AM  
Makes sense. If they did not cut the CSC department they would have been spending $3.7 million for both CSC and PE. But, by cutting the CSC department they are clearly saving $1.7 million!

Wow, I have no idea how I was able to type that with a straight face.
 
2012-04-23 04:13:24 AM  

Befuddled: Kensey: the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service because we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s.

Nonsense. Satellites can do everything the U2 can and then some. The U2 was essentially obsolete as a spy plane at the time Gary Powers got shot down in one.


Nope. Satellites can't be retasked quick enough. In the time it takes to wait for a satellite to make a pass (or use one's limited maneuvering fuel to reposition it), a U-2 can get in and out and the film can be in the analysts' hands. Also, that imagery will be higher quality because it will be shot from much closer to the ground.

It's still very much in use for intel activities, although it is finally starting to look like it can be retired in the not-terribly-distant future since the Global Hawks that were supposed to start replacing it a decade ago are finally getting to be up to the task... maybe... we think. Oops, just kidding! We're actually canceling the Global Hawks and keeping the U-2's around till 2023, because "'[the Global Hawk] is good at long-endurance flight with its so-so sensors,' the source said. 'They are currently and will continue to be well below par.' ...Additionally, the Global Hawk doesn't have the U-2 Optical Bar Camera, which creates 6-foot-long wet-film images of the ground."

Third Fourth Fifth time's the charm?
 
2012-04-23 04:20:00 AM  

wademh: The very worst programmers have comp. sci. degrees. Writing code is not hard. Comp. sci degrees don't teach practical problem solving, they teach theory and gadgetry. I pick a physicist who can write code over a comp. sci. grad everytime with zero regrets.

Now if you want to build up a team of 20+ people who have to all work together on a large project in a highly collaborative fashion, you want your comp. sci. grad. However, also hire one good programming physicist to write a working prototype that they can all ridicule and spend the 2 years trying to replicate the functionality that one guy can produce in 6 months.


I tend to disagree, working in a software company (one that has both CS and non-CS people writing code) and seeing the quality of code written by various individuals. There are certainly overlap - the top of the non-CS curve is higher than the bottom of the CS-curve, but the CS as a whole are ahead.

You're correct in that writing code by itself is not hard. Neither is writing English - your average third grader can do it. However, that hardly means your average third grader could write a great novel. Writing code is only the first of many things one needs to know to actually write good code. Or to quote the Vorlon, "A stroke of the brush does not guarantee art from the bristles".

The design is really far more important than the coding, and much harder to pick up. A poorly designed project is a pestilence upon your code base until the end of time (or until some poor sap rips it out and rewrites it). That's where the real art in programming lies, and it makes the difference between code that works when it's written but breaks every time it's so much as looked at versus code that withstands the test of time robustly.
 
2012-04-23 04:52:02 AM  

Befuddled: Kensey: the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service because we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s.

Nonsense. Satellites can do everything the U2 can and then some. The U2 was essentially obsolete as a spy plane at the time Gary Powers got shot down in one.

The U2 still gets used but not as a reconnaissance plane. It's doing scientific research.


My cousin, who finished U2 pilot training semi-recently, is getting a kick out of your comment.
 
2012-04-23 05:01:04 AM  

Corporate Self: Confabulat: cmb53208: Florida is little more than a giant nursing home where geezers from all over go to wait to die. And people who get Comp. Sci. degrees don't want to work in retirement communities or wear Mickey Mouse costumes in 90-degree heat. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised this happened.

Have you ever BEEN to Florida? That joke hasn't been relevant since the early 1980s.

I agree. Now its now a melting pot of senior, idiots, and assholes. who keep moving here from up North.


FTFY

soupbone: Ambivalence

Don't worry, scrote. There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick-ass lives.


i445.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-23 05:01:07 AM  
Oh terrific. Does anyone know how FIT works in relation to the other Florida schools? I thought it was private and potentially not affected by some of the a$$-hattery. I'm supposed to start there this fall in Oceanography and wanted to take a bunch of CS courses. I think I'll be ok but Im going to be there for 4 years, a lot can happen.

/Have to go where the people are and my advisor rocks!
 
2012-04-23 05:11:17 AM  

Sim Tree: All the non-US citizens work on civilian projects while all the US citizens work for military projects. And they still don't have enough.


Personally, I really LIKE this, because it keeps me and my fellow co-workers in high demand.

And it's not just the aerospace guys that have to do this - SAIC is split into "normal" and "secure" groups the same way, with all the Indian and Russian guys over on the non-clearance stuff and the ex-military EEs on the cleared side.
 
2012-04-23 05:18:07 AM  

IronTom: What has happened to our universities Republican Party? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.


FTFY

/I think this is it for me, really. To live in a place where there are enough people who thought it was a good idea to vote for Rick Scott, well, it makes me want to puke whenever I think about it. House is for sale.
 
2012-04-23 05:18:53 AM  

GoSurfing: This came out of Florida


Just more proof. A godzillion dollar boondoggle that never accomplished jack squat, and now is a museum piece.
 
2012-04-23 05:21:16 AM  

Confabulat: KrmtDfrog: submitted this with the headline "stay poor, deep south"

/i still like mine better

Except again, you missed the Deep South by several hundred miles. The Florida peninsula is not the Deep South.


You are just as wrong as you can be. Except South Florida, of course, which is either Caribbean or Latin America depending on your point of view.

The norther you go in Floriduh, the Souther you are.
 
2012-04-23 05:29:33 AM  

Cinletharwi: Befuddled: Kensey: the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service because we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s.

Nonsense. Satellites can do everything the U2 can and then some. The U2 was essentially obsolete as a spy plane at the time Gary Powers got shot down in one.

The U2 still gets used but not as a reconnaissance plane. It's doing scientific research.

My cousin, who finished U2 pilot training semi-recently, is getting a kick out of your comment.


I know I'm paranoid, but I would never have shared that (your cousin finishing u2 pilot training)...and might actually be a bigger deal than you think. This is public, after all.

SevenizGud: GoSurfing: This came out of Florida

Just more proof. A godzillion dollar boondoggle that never accomplished jack squat, and now is a museum piece.


fark off dolt.
 
2012-04-23 05:30:19 AM  

fusillade762: CrispFlows: fusillade762: CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

Did they also abolish the English Department?

Drunk, deaf and used to closed captioning typically reserved for 9th graders. I pretty much had to teach english grammar to myself since most of the teachers I had believed that deaf people would not understand english. To their credit I do understand their reasoning, since we as the deaf is kinda farked and the english is a mish mash of german/romanic rules and words.

Dammit! The one time I try to be snarky and I end up picking on a disabled person. Apologies.


I once laid into a grocery-store cashier who was getting everything wrong. Wasn't paying attention, confused the produce, just was having a miserable time. I berated her, loudly, and when a manager came over to fix the problem, she stepped back from the register....
...and that was when I saw she was eight months pregnant.
 
2012-04-23 05:44:07 AM  

GoSurfing: Cinletharwi: Befuddled: Kensey: the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service because we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s.

Nonsense. Satellites can do everything the U2 can and then some. The U2 was essentially obsolete as a spy plane at the time Gary Powers got shot down in one.

The U2 still gets used but not as a reconnaissance plane. It's doing scientific research.

My cousin, who finished U2 pilot training semi-recently, is getting a kick out of your comment.

I know I'm paranoid, but I would never have shared that (your cousin finishing u2 pilot training)...and might actually be a bigger deal than you think. This is public, after all.

SevenizGud: GoSurfing: This came out of Florida

Just more proof. A godzillion dollar boondoggle that never accomplished jack squat, and now is a museum piece.

fark off dolt.


this
 
2012-04-23 05:59:44 AM  
To be fair, does anyone really go to the University of Florida to get an education?
 
2012-04-23 06:11:05 AM  

Corporate Self: Being the stereotypical neanderthal jock gives you all the skills you need to run a modern business. In today business world, being an arrogant ignorant bully is an asset.


I would argue with you if I could.
 
2012-04-23 06:19:51 AM  
A university can run a computer science department on a budget of $1.7 million?
 
2012-04-23 06:20:04 AM  

GoSurfing: Cinletharwi: Befuddled: Kensey: the U-2, is not in the museum -- in fact it's still in active service. It's still in active service because we haven't come up with anything that can replace it since it was put in service in the 1950s.

Nonsense. Satellites can do everything the U2 can and then some. The U2 was essentially obsolete as a spy plane at the time Gary Powers got shot down in one.

The U2 still gets used but not as a reconnaissance plane. It's doing scientific research.

My cousin, who finished U2 pilot training semi-recently, is getting a kick out of your comment.

I know I'm paranoid, but I would never have shared that (your cousin finishing u2 pilot training)...and might actually be a bigger deal than you think. This is public, after all.

SevenizGud: GoSurfing: This came out of Florida

Just more proof. A godzillion dollar boondoggle that never accomplished jack squat, and now is a museum piece.

fark off dolt.


"Space exploration is a godzillion-dollar boondoggle that will never accomplish schitt."

I hardly know what to say to that. Perhaps these smart people can explain it better than I can.
 
2012-04-23 06:24:55 AM  

IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.


No, they've discovered the miracle of making money under the guise of being "not for profit". You know, like churches.
 
2012-04-23 06:27:31 AM  
I also agree that i don't see a lot of incentives to be an undergrad CS major..Not when projects for
newbie programmers are shipped off shore to be done. Graduate work in CS though is a different story.
As someone said above, the algorithm work and development stuff is in demand.

What I find funny about that is that the algorithm and mathematical work is what should be shunted
off to India and the creative programming should be done here. In my experience with Indian students,
they are amazing at doing complex math, but the creative and disciplined side needed for programming
isn't as well ingrained. That just seems to be a cultural and learning style difference between us.
 
2012-04-23 06:27:45 AM  
Hopefully, we can get rid of this useless governor in a couple years. Rick Scott barely won the election in 2010, and even that was an accident of running at the height of the Tea Party's popularity. Anybody who could think for just one second voted for the other candidate.
 
2012-04-23 06:38:44 AM  
UF appears to be all about sports, not education, looking in from the outside. The local TV stations devote 10 minutes of every newscast to UF sports. Sports seems to be the lifeblood of the university.

But, they are an outstanding agricultural land grant university. They should tout this more than sports but they don't. I think it is a big mistake to whittle down computer sciences. It just doesn't make sense.
 
2012-04-23 06:44:43 AM  

ghare: Confabulat: KrmtDfrog: submitted this with the headline "stay poor, deep south"

/i still like mine better

Except again, you missed the Deep South by several hundred miles. The Florida peninsula is not the Deep South.

You are just as wrong as you can be. Except South Florida, of course, which is either Caribbean or Latin America depending on your point of view.

The norther you go in Floriduh, the Souther you are.


That was the point I was making. The South ends at Gainesville, but the Deep South is waaay up north from there.
 
2012-04-23 06:45:56 AM  
And I suppose there's no hillbillies in Pennsylvania or Ohio?
 
2012-04-23 06:46:52 AM  
Ok, I'll give you Polk County, if you'll take it.
 
2012-04-23 07:10:45 AM  
Was it announced on the same day? That's what happened last week at my university when they announced a tuition raise and a raise for the football coach
 
2012-04-23 07:17:33 AM  

Weaver95: Lou Brown: Florida's athletic department funds itself. It's not as if someone decided to take $2 million from CS and give it to athletics. They're different budgets.

yes, but the point here is that the athletic department never faces financial difficulty while an ENTIRE COMPUTER DEGREE PROGRAM is being eliminated. not budget cut. not reorganized. eliminated. gone. never to return.

notice that you're using a computer right now? ever seen anyone in the country use computer technology during your working day? ya might think that maybe developing the skills and talents of American students in the computer field would be important for the further development of the US computer industry. But then...if you thought like that, you wouldn't be a Republican legislator.


Yes, I fully understand the ramifications of cutting the CS department. Yes, you can point to it as a sign that the nation's priority's are out of whack. My point is that the budget of the athletic department has absolutely nothing to do with funding for the CS program, and it makes little sense to mention the two in the same article. Heck, the athletic fundraising arm of UF even gave $6 million to the general University fund last year.
 
2012-04-23 07:33:38 AM  
grown men playing a game with a little ball-ridiculous!
 
2012-04-23 07:45:43 AM  
I may be wrong, but my guess is that this is a game of legislative chicken. I work for a large land-grant in the planning department. When we look to cut departments, we usually look at departments with high lab or instructor costs and declining enrollment. Instructor fees are a bit high in computer science, but they don't require labs at all and we see slightly expanding enrollment. It doesn't make sense to kill a cs program. All it would really do is provoke voter backlash. This article is already shifting blame to the legislature and governor for gutting higher ed budgets. The president is going to throw up his hands and say, "I'd like to keep this highly visible, highly popular program that adds money to the state economy, but the mean old legislature won't let me. Gosh, if I could just find 2 million more dollars in my billion dollar budget, I could keep it, but what can I do? Those budget slashers in the legislature just keeps cutting my budget." He's hoping that the legislature backs down and ups his budget or at least stops the bleeding. If he was looking for real budget solutions, chemistry and the ag sciences are more obvious targets, but 'University of Florida shuts down soil sciences department" isn't going to bring in legislative bucks.
 
2012-04-23 07:47:51 AM  
This is nothing new for that university, in all honesty. When I was there they were cutting foreign language programs, because what good is an education in Asian languages in the world today, amirite? Same thing happened that year too---athletic budget continued to increase, while they were throwing teachers out the door.

It's really just run by a worthless bureaucracy, because UF wastes millions of dollars on frivolous nonsense, while cutting essential areas of education. Re: Paying some d-bag $150,000 to speak to the students for 30 minutes.

/universities doing this sort of thing is nothing new, but still an OUTRAGE
 
2012-04-23 07:49:57 AM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Nerds get patents, patents make money. Maybe not as profitable per student as a successful football program, but it *is* profitable to have a good engineering department.
 
2012-04-23 07:50:12 AM  

fjnorton: Rick Scott makes Jeb Bush look like a hero. He cuts 30% of colleges budgets and opens a new one. Some favor for one of his cronies


Scott didn't open a new university, he simply bowed to pressure from one legislator to take USF's Lakeland campus away and make it independent.
 
2012-04-23 07:51:53 AM  
Go Gators.
 
2012-04-23 08:00:12 AM  

LordOfThePings: To be fair, some of the worst programmers I've worked with have been formally educated in it.


Some of the very worst programers I've worked with were not formally educated in it. Learning to code and learning a programing language is not hard. A good CS program is going to teach you to problem solve but its also going to teach you how to learn, particularly new languages and technologies. Those not formally trained tend to learn one language "to get a job" and get stuck in it for the rest of their careers.

Dont get me started on those that get a bachelors "off-shore" and then come to the U.S. for a masters in CS or EE, then claim to be "Computer Scientists". Particularly those who graduated in the past 10 years.

Everything looks like a nail to them because all they have is a hammer named Java. They come from what they claim are prestigious universities but the programs are so specialized at this point that they are little more than a 6-8 year vocational education that could be obtained with a couple of books, a laptop, and a few months of dedicated evenings.

I wish I had a nickel for every multi-megabyte war, ear, and jar file I've seen to solve a relatively simple problem that could have been written in a 25 line shell script. These people stay or 6 months, create this mess and leave when they are offered a dime an hour more access the street. Yes this still happens in this economy.
 
2012-04-23 08:01:22 AM  

cmb53208: Florida is little more than a giant nursing home where geezers from all over go to wait to die. And people who get Comp. Sci. degrees don't want to work in retirement communities or wear Mickey Mouse costumes in 90-degree heat. Sadly, I'm not at all surprised this happened.


You're an idiot. And I say that as a software engineer who moved to Florida in 2002 because there were no software engineering jobs to be had in Southern freakin' California.

Yes, I've been laid off several times in the last 10 years, but the longest I've been out of work is about six weeks. And I get phone calls every week from recruiters looking to fill jobs in Tampa, Jacksonville, Orlando, and South Florida.
 
2012-04-23 08:03:07 AM  
The establishment of the Idiotacracy is well underway.
 
2012-04-23 08:15:23 AM  
It will work out.
They are going to graduate a lot of MBAs.

/Mouth breathing assholes.
 
2012-04-23 08:19:34 AM  

rynthetyn: Rick Scott seems to be doing his dead level best to destroy Florida's higher education system. If there was one thing that the state had going for it, it was that it was set up so that pretty much any resident could go to college if they wanted to, and in the 2 years governor Voldemort has been in office, he's been busy dynamiting the universities, even after claiming he wanted the funding to go to STEM programs.


We don't have the best schools here, but generally -- like most of the big public universities -- they're solid. And unlike a lot of states, they've historically been quite affordable. It's been sad watching that go away.

rynthetyn: Gainesville is such a weird town. It's pretty much half rednecks and half people connected to UF, with a certain level of overlap between the two. Plus, the same city that produced the crazy Koran burning guy also elected the only openly gay mayor in the state, and it's not the least bit surprising that both things are true.


Yep. Gainesville and Tallahassee are both this way. Once you get more than a few miles from UF or FSU, you're basically in Alabama. The cores around the schools are basically Berkeley with a slight twang though.

The rest of the big schools in FL are in major metro areas, and they're strangely more conservative.
 
2012-04-23 08:22:35 AM  
Obviously the Computer Science program is not in the Circle of Trust...
 
2012-04-23 08:24:00 AM  
Wow, before you know it, who is gonna pick up the tab for drinking will end up as a left v right debate.

/You guys are all being idiotic
//Its about right versus wrong. Someone should tell whoever was behind this to pull their head out of their ass
 
2012-04-23 08:31:09 AM  

Confabulat: And I suppose there's no hillbillies in Pennsylvania or Ohio?


Pennsylvania is a given, Ohio they only reside in the SE part of the state


/where I am from
//They make good moonshine and will overhaul an engine for cheap
///it's the poser rednecks that I hate
 
2012-04-23 08:32:11 AM  

TV's Vinnie: Ambivalence: IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.

Idiocracy is looking downright prophetic these days.

But it's not waiting 500 years to happen.


You know idiocracy is commentary on parts of modern day america, right?
 
2012-04-23 08:33:32 AM  
Maybe they just realized that a CS degree doesn't really help you build a career in Computers? I know only a few people in IT that have degrees in CS and they aren't even the best I've known.
 
2012-04-23 08:40:57 AM  

Lou Brown: My point is that the budget of the athletic department has absolutely nothing to do with funding for the CS program, and it makes little sense to mention the two in the same article.


It does satisfy certain agendas, even if it's as ridiculous as biatching that MIT is weak in intercollegiate sports.

Even jocks can read the handwriting on the wall - most of them, even at their level, are not going to make a career out of athletics. But they are in a state full of old people with disposable income who want to stay healthy and active.
 
2012-04-23 08:54:04 AM  
Hell, we can boat over a jillion Indians to do that internet stuff, but have you ever seen one throw a football? PATHETIC!

First priority is to the 75,000 people in the stadium stands, the other 300 million can get farked! OTOH could you imaging the OUTRAGE and protests if the UF Prez said, "Sorry, we're cutting the football budget"

Gov Scott would be lynched.
 
2012-04-23 08:55:18 AM  

Lou Brown: Florida's athletic department funds itself. It's not as if someone decided to take $2 million from CS and give it to athletics. They're different budgets.


Fungible, like Planned Parenthood. If it didn't go to a sport's program, where would it go? General fund budget where ACADEMIC departments might be able to get a slice to, you know, educate students.

Though, honestly this is small potatoes. The small school I work for as an adjunct just cancelled health insurance for the faculty and staff. Still have football, and skiing, and volleyball, and basketball and endless other sports programs though.

E'ffd up. Simply beyond comprehension.

Higher education? Indeed.
 
2012-04-23 08:56:14 AM  
What a stupid headline. Per ONE OF THE LINKS IN THE ARTICLE, the Athletic Department has actually given the university $60m since 1990, including a $6m donation this year.

Yes, you read that right. The Athletic Department actually makes so much money that they are giving money to the university to help fix budget problems. So it's pretty stupid to try and blame this on football. But reading is hard. I get it.
 
2012-04-23 09:00:50 AM  
Just as a note, UC Santa Cruz has no football team, and very little in the way of a sports program. I'm glad my kiddo chose there to get her education.

Go Banana Slugs!!!
 
2012-04-23 09:00:59 AM  

sparkeyjames: Gotta get rid of them liberals at all costs.


Individuals with undergraduate education (more than high school, less than graduate degrees) are strongly Republican.
 
2012-04-23 09:02:45 AM  

CantConfirmOrDeny: We'd be a lot better off if we revisited the end of the Civil War, and just let the South go.


Nah, we shouldn't have fallen for the lies that the whites were being oppressed during reconstruction.
 
2012-04-23 09:07:53 AM  

Kensey: We're flying almost 60-year-old spy plane designs because they can do things nothing designed since then can do. We have to rent cabin space from the country that was the reason we went into space in the first place. And now there's a full-on war against education by a large coalition of ideologues with the tacit or explicit support of a large part of the citizenry. You can't go much further down this road before somebody like Canada just walks in and takes over because "why the hell not? None of their technology is worth a damn any more, it'd be stupid to let that kind of opportunity just sit there and take a chance they'll wake up and grow a functioning high-tech industry again."


This is why I always have to shake my head when we get bent out of shape that North Korea (or Iran or whomever) wants to test an ICBM. We've had them for 60 years. Despite our best efforts, the knowledge exists. Don't you think a nation is going to solve that puzzle eventually? 60 years is almost enough time for us to get from Kitty Hawk to the farking moon. Yet we seem to be stuck on this idea that no one else should have missiles rather than preparing for the day they do get them and accepting them into the brotherhood of nations to reach such heights.
 
2012-04-23 09:08:02 AM  
You don't really expect UF to do the hard stuff.
Like teaching what is necessary.
What, and leave all that nice athletic money just lying there?

Athletic departments make money because boosters are farked.
Ipso, we are farked.
 
2012-04-23 09:22:21 AM  
It's absolutely amazing that this comes out at the same time as an article stating that 50% of college grads are un- or under-employed. If you read that article, the group that is most likely to be successfully and profitibly employed post-graduation includes CS students.

My guess would be that maybe 5% of student-atheletes are professionally employeed in athletic endeavors from UF post-graduation (if they graduate).

Don't get me wrong, I love college athletics, but this makes me want to toss them all away and make our University system like Germany's - low cost, no athletics, hard to get into but when you graduate you've actually done something.
 
2012-04-23 09:25:07 AM  

CantConfirmOrDeny: We'd be a lot better off if we revisited the end of the Civil War, and just let the South go.


ImOKwithThis.jpg
 
2012-04-23 09:36:12 AM  
And I'm sure that the SEC's media deal increasing school payouts last year to $20 million had nothing to do with the increased budget for the Gators. Or that Florida was the 13th most profitable athletic department in the nation last year. Or that in 2010, Florida was one of only 14 athletic departments in Division I that operated in the black. Throwing the Gators into this article was a cheap rhetorical tactic, but the fact is that the athletic program doesn't need to take any money from the Computer Science Department. Put the blame where it belongs, with a state government that doesn't give a shiat about education.
 
2012-04-23 09:39:17 AM  
images5.fanpop.com

on the plus side... the VEX Robotics college world championships were held in Anaheim this past weekend. Lots of teams from Mexico... New Zealand was well represented... american colleges and universities... not so much...

Vex Robotics College World Championship 2012 (results)
 
2012-04-23 09:40:41 AM  
You have the power, people. Stop caring so damned much about WATCHING and TALKING ABOUT college sports, stop spending so damn much money on it, stop making it such an enormous BUSINESS and trust me, you'll stop seeing so much money be spent on it.

Idiocracy, sure, but there's a trace of Untraceable in there too.

Priorities, people. Stop biatching about something when YOU'RE part of the problem!
 
2012-04-23 09:41:26 AM  

austin_millbarge: CantConfirmOrDeny: We'd be a lot better off if we revisited the end of the Civil War, and just let the South go.

ImOKwithThis.jpg


Yeah, its not like Abraham Lincoln was a smart guy, or something
 
2012-04-23 09:44:50 AM  

tfrumbacher: Fungible, like Planned Parenthood. If it didn't go to a sport's program, where would it go? General fund budget where ACADEMIC departments might be able to get a slice to, you know, educate students.


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Please explain how money paid to a university's athletics department for football and basketball TV contracts, BCS payouts, bowl payouts, gate revenue, and donations for athletics is fungible such that if athletics did not exist that money would flow to the general operating fund?

Which academic department will Nike pay $10 million a year to sponsor? What academic contest will 110,000 people pay to come watch? Will Academic Decathlon get a $2 billion TV contract next year?

I'm not trying to deride academics - they are definitely more important than the athletics - but society is willing to pay for entertainment thus we have athletics. It is an economic reality not some kind of judgement against intelligence.

And all of the moronic whargarble upthread about allocation of monies even in the face of the fact that the budgets are completely separate is stunning. I've been avoiding the Politics tab because it's become a circle jerk of stupidity but didn't think it had spread so badly to the other tabs.
 
2012-04-23 09:44:53 AM  

GoodyearPimp: This is why I always have to shake my head when we get bent out of shape that North Korea (or Iran or whomever) wants to test an ICBM. We've had them for 60 years. Despite our best efforts, the knowledge exists. Don't you think a nation is going to solve that puzzle eventually? 60 years is almost enough time for us to get from Kitty Hawk to the farking moon. Yet we seem to be stuck on this idea that no one else should have missiles rather than preparing for the day they do get them and accepting them into the brotherhood of nations to reach such heights.


It is more that they have so many people starving and malnourished that their height keeps going down. Instead of spending that money on food for their people, they blow it on missile research.

wademh: LordOfThePings: To be fair, some of the worst programmers I've worked with have been formally educated in it.

The very worst programmers have comp. sci. degrees. Writing code is not hard. Comp. sci degrees don't teach practical problem solving, they teach theory and gadgetry. I pick a physicist who can write code over a comp. sci. grad everytime with zero regrets.

Now if you want to build up a team of 20+ people who have to all work together on a large project in a highly collaborative fashion, you want your comp. sci. grad. However, also hire one good programming physicist to write a working prototype that they can all ridicule and spend the 2 years trying to replicate the functionality that one guy can produce in 6 months.


You must have met some crappy CS majors then. From my experience, in general, the CS majors have way better coding standards and are better coders than non-CS majors. They understand how to make more efficient, maintainable code. Even engineering majors, I have found, don't write nearly the level of code CS majors do. The program I went to taught problem solving and how to write maintainable code, and the theories and how they apply (and can be applied) to every day problems.
 
2012-04-23 09:46:50 AM  
But thank god they're keeping the Liberal Arts & Sciences school, amirite?
 
2012-04-23 09:48:13 AM  

Smackledorfer: I think it would be worth the cost the university to do such a thing. Might even motivate some alumni to kick in a little more.


+1. I'm going to ask my scientist girlfriend about this when I see her later.

NASA definitely suffers from this. Trying to get data from NASA to say, make an iPhone app about something cool is entirely too hard. Data.gov is a great step in the right direction (and probably the best thing Obama did during his first term), but more visibility would be better. Apps in the store, or web apps with little NASA badges would lend the agency a lot more credibility.
 
2012-04-23 09:50:38 AM  

slykens1: tfrumbacher: Fungible, like Planned Parenthood. If it didn't go to a sport's program, where would it go? General fund budget where ACADEMIC departments might be able to get a slice to, you know, educate students.

[ThatWordDoesn'tMeanWhatYouThinkItMeans.jpg]

Please explain how money paid to a university's athletics department for football and basketball TV contracts, BCS payouts, bowl payouts, gate revenue, and donations for athletics is fungible such that if athletics did not exist that money would flow to the general operating fund?

Which academic department will Nike pay $10 million a year to sponsor? What academic contest will 110,000 people pay to come watch? Will Academic Decathlon get a $2 billion TV contract next year?

I'm not trying to deride academics - they are definitely more important than the athletics - but society is willing to pay for entertainment thus we have athletics. It is an economic reality not some kind of judgement against intelligence.

And all of the moronic whargarble upthread about allocation of monies even in the face of the fact that the budgets are completely separate is stunning. I've been avoiding the Politics tab because it's become a circle jerk of stupidity but didn't think it had spread so badly to the other tabs.


Your argument would make a lot more sense if these athletic programs were self sufficient, but they aren't, Some money that could be going to other areas is being used for athletics. I happen to think athletics, when done right, is a great thing, but in an institute of higher learning education should always come first.
 
2012-04-23 09:51:07 AM  

tfrumbacher: Fungible, like Planned Parenthood. If it didn't go to a sport's program, where would it go? General fund budget where ACADEMIC departments might be able to get a slice to, you know, educate students.


For all the rage directed at the University of Texas for their Longhorn Network, that contract allows them to allocate $5 million a year back to the University general fund. Guess what the response of the state legislature is? "That's $5 million we don't have to pay them!"

Athletics are not the problem.
 
2012-04-23 09:53:48 AM  

wademh: However, also hire one good programming physicist to write a working prototype that they can all ridicule and spend the 2 years trying to replicate the functionality that one guy can produce in 6 months


Scientists are surprisingly bad at computer programming, as your post shows. It shouldn't take anyone six months to produce a prototype. It should take two weeks.
 
2012-04-23 09:54:18 AM  
University of Florida ranks 39th in the US for graduate computer science. Much of the ranking is based on research dollars that pour into the university for graduate CS. As a recent Vanderbilt CS PhD, and Vanderbilt is only 58th on that list, I can tell you from experience that our program brings in the most research money of any in engineering at our school (many dozens of millions of dollars per year). I can only imagine what the UF CS department was bringing in.

This is truly mind boggling. CS is one of the highest growth rate fields out there. I locked a 6 figure job before I even graduated, before I even started applying to industry. This is NOT the department you want to cut.
 
2012-04-23 10:09:05 AM  

IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.


The NFL and NBA have gotten colleges to subsidize their minor league teams. Colleges make a lot of money from it.
 
2012-04-23 10:24:31 AM  
Time to outsource all that computer code to India, China, Pakistan, why, I'll bet Russia has some fair computer programmers that could help us out with a little shortfall in the weapons system arena. No need for us to program our own weapons systems...especially since we are coding and compiliing and documenting code on computers and networks and routers that were built in China...what could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-04-23 10:26:12 AM  
I don't know what to say except this kind of stupidity makes me weep for the future of the U.S.
 
2012-04-23 10:27:12 AM  
Oh, and the Florida athletic department is run by the University Athletic Association, Inc. which returns over $6 million a year back to the University.

Really, if anyone is looking for damning evidence that athletics are destroying our universities, Florida is the worst possible example you could choose save maybe Texas.
 
2012-04-23 10:33:55 AM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Not true. Athletics actually costs almost all colleges more than any revenue they receive.
 
2012-04-23 10:34:46 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Ambivalence: Nerds, not so much.

Actually they can make tons of money for a university.


Just ask Stanford.
 
2012-04-23 10:40:57 AM  

Nightsweat: Not true. Athletics actually costs almost all colleges more than any revenue they receive.


This. One of my friends has a parent who is quite high up at a major state university that loves to wave the 'athletics brings so much money to the school' bullshiat in everyone's face.

My friend's father did the math and looked at the paper trails (his position gives him open access to donations, budgets, etc) and it became incredibly apparent that the money pulled in by athletics cannot even support the athletic department, much less anything else at the university.

Research, on the other hand, provides enough to sustain itself and supplement athletics. Research is where the money is. Athletics is where the money goes.
 
2012-04-23 10:41:22 AM  
This is utterly mind boggling... Not a UF fan, but this is just total insanity. I can see cutting some smaller, less popular departments and merging them with other departments, but Comp Sci? Really?
 
2012-04-23 10:45:12 AM  
STEM programs are a bad answer to any problem. We already graduate lots of STEM majors. Once you fill up that skill set with many more majors you can, ready for this?, pay them less because you'll have more to go around.

Shocking that the GOP would support something that will ultimately lower wages in a good-paying set of jobs.
 
2012-04-23 10:53:03 AM  

Weaver95: miBrown: Florida's athletic department funds itself. It's not as if someone decided to take $2 million from CS and give it to athletics. They're different budgets.

yes, but the point here is that the athletic department never faces financial difficulty while an ENTIRE COMPUTER DEGREE PROGRAM is being eliminated. not budget cut. not reorganized. eliminated. gone. never to return.

notice that you're using a computer right now? ever seen anyone in the country use computer technology during your working day? ya might think that maybe developing the skills and talents of American students in the computer field would be important for the further development of the US computer industry. But then...if you thought like that, you wouldn't be a Republican legislator.


Not true. If the athletic department were to suffer a revenue shortfall, it would be forced to cut spending. Particularly in UF's case, where the UAA is a private organization. Unlike the rest of the university, it must live within its means, without subsidy from a government entity. There is no connection between the two, and is nothing more than a red herring to get people frothed up.

There is not an unlimited pool of money in the State of Florida (or anywhere). The state universities budget remains over $3 billion per year. UF receives quite a lot of that. There is no dictate from the governor or state legislature on how that money is to be spent. These are supposed to be the best and brightest running the state universities. Perhaps they should be held to account for deciding this is the best way to make do with a smaller subsidy. (or, perhaps the reason is justified. None of us really knows, which is probably the more salient point here).
 
2012-04-23 10:54:03 AM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Unless those nerds create patents for the university and those patents make millions of dollars for years to come. But cutting the computer science department is a little short sighted.
 
2012-04-23 10:56:49 AM  
One question.
How is Rick Scott profiting off of this?

I know he is, somehow, some way, backhanded, devious, sociopathic, duplicitous farker does not breathe unless it is profotable.

/it is a sentence 'cause I say it is
 
2012-04-23 10:59:36 AM  
Here's an Update: I spoke to the UF Computer Sciences department. They're saying that they're not eliminating the CS program completely. Instead, they are just merging it with the Engineering department and eliminating a few jobs because of budget cuts. They also said that everything is being proposed right now, meaning that this is not official yet. Here's some more info on it:
Link
 
2012-04-23 11:06:39 AM  

Ruiizu: It's really just run by a worthless bureaucracy, because UF wastes millions of dollars on frivolous nonsense, while cutting essential areas of education. Re: Paying some d-bag $150,000 to speak to the students for 30 minutes.


I think I may misunderstand you (and I hope I do), but are you asking why a full professor can make this much money without a heavy teaching load? Is is this one of those "they hired X off of Jersey Shore" things? I'm hoping it's the latter, but if it's the former, I'll happily explain it.
 
2012-04-23 11:18:13 AM  
A list of majors you can take at UF

Accounting
Advertising
Aerospace Engineering
Agricultural and Biological Engineering
Agricultural Education and Communication
Agricultural Operations Management
American Indian and Indigenous Studies (IDS)
Animal Sciences
Anthropology
Applied Physiology and Kinesiology
Architecture
Art
Art Education
Art History
Astronomy
Athletic Training
Biochemistry
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology (IDS)
Biological Illustration (IDS)
Biology
Botany
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
Building Construction
Business Administration, General Studies
Business Administration, Online
Chemical Engineering
Chemistry
Civil Engineering
Classical Studies
Communication Sciences and Disorders
Computer Engineering
Computer Science
Criminology and Law
Dance, Bachelor of Arts
Dance, Bachelor of Fine Arts
Digital Arts and Sciences
East Asian Languages and Literatures
Economics
Education, Unified Early Childhood Education ProTeach (Pre-K - Grade 3)
Education, Unified Elementary/Special Education ProTeach (Grades K-6)
Electrical Engineering
Engineering, Undecided (IDS)
English
Entomology and Nematology
Environmental Engineering
Environmental Management in Agriculture and Natural Resources (IS)
Environmental Science
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
Family, Youth and Community Sciences
Film and Media Studies (IDS)
Finance
Fire and Emergency Services
Food and Resource Economics
Food Science and Human Nutrition
Forest Resources and Conservation
French and Francophone Studies
Geography
Geology
Geomatics
German
Golf and Sports Turf Management (IS)
Graphic Design
Health Education and Behavior
Health Science
History
Horticultural Science
Industrial and Systems Engineering
Information Systems
Interdisciplinary Studies, College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

-Environmental Management in Agriculture and Natural Resources
-Golf and Sports Turf Management

Interdisciplinary Studies, College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

-American Indian and Indigenous Studies
-Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
-Biological Illustration
-Film and Media Studies
-Latin American Studies
-Medieval and Early Modern Studies
-Middle Eastern Languages and Cultures
-Modern European Studies
-Neurobiological Sciences
Interior Design
International Studies
Jewish Studies
Journalism
Landscape and Nursery Horticulture
Landscape Architecture
Linguistics
Management
Marketing
Materials Science and Engineering
Mathematics
Mechanical Engineering
Medieval and Early Modern Studies (IDS)
Microbiology and Cell Science
Middle Eastern Languages and Cultures (IDS)
Modern European Studies (IDS)
Music, Bachelor of Arts
Music, Bachelor of Music
Music Education
Natural Resource Conservation
Neurobiological Sciences (IDS)
Nuclear and Radiological Sciences
Nuclear Engineering
Nursing
Packaging Science
Pharmacy - Preprofessional
Philosophy
Physics
Plant Science
Political Science
Portuguese
Psychology
Public Relations
Recreation, Parks and Tourism
Religion
Russian
Sociology
Soil and Water Science
Spanish
Sport Management
Statistics
Sustainability and the Built Environment
Sustainability Studies
Telecommunication
Theatre, General
Theatre Performance
Visual Art Studies
Wildlife Ecology and Conservation
Women's Studies
Zoology

Yeah, I can see how the computer-y stuff sticks out as more useless...
 
2012-04-23 11:26:08 AM  

tfrumbacher: Lou Brown: Florida's athletic department funds itself. It's not as if someone decided to take $2 million from CS and give it to athletics. They're different budgets.

Fungible, like Planned Parenthood. If it didn't go to a sport's program, where would it go? General fund budget where ACADEMIC departments might be able to get a slice to, you know, educate students.


I don't think a fan donating $1000 per year to get premium seating for football would generally be donating that to academics if sports didn't exist, though. ESPN/CBS definitely aren't going to pay $20 million to each SEC school to televise quiz bowl competitions.
 
2012-04-23 11:26:21 AM  

Nightsweat: Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.

Not true. Athletics actually costs almost all some colleges more than any revenue they receive.


FTFY

And UF is not one of those colleges. The athletics department exists entirely on its own, and gives roughly $6 million per year to the university, free and clear. It would be more were it not for Title IX.
 
2012-04-23 11:29:12 AM  
They need to expand their economics department so subtard can understand why the computer science department wasn't cut further.
 
2012-04-23 11:30:43 AM  

guitardedx69: Here's an Update: I spoke to the UF Computer Sciences department. They're saying that they're not eliminating the CS program completely. Instead, they are just merging it with the Engineering department and eliminating a few jobs because of budget cuts. They also said that everything is being proposed right now, meaning that this is not official yet. Here's some more info on it:
Link


Weird. Because the article would deftly imply that CS is being completely eliminated from the university's curriculum, and the savings are being funneled directly into athletics. The link you provided must be wrong.
 
2012-04-23 11:33:48 AM  
Remembers when the CS degree was the bobby prize for not being able to hack EE and SE programs....
 
2012-04-23 11:43:02 AM  

Nightsweat: A list of majors you can take at UF

Accounting
Advertising
Aerospace Engineering
Agricultural and Biological Engineering
Agricultural Education and Communication
Agricultural Operations Management
American Indian and Indigenous Studies (IDS)
Animal Sciences
Anthropology
Applied Physiology and Kinesiology
Architecture
Art
Art Education
Art History
Astronomy
Athletic Training
Biochemistry
Biochemistry and Molecular Biology (IDS)
Biological Illustration (IDS)
Biology
Botany
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
Building Construction
Business Administration, General Studies
Business Administration, Online
Chemical Engineering
Chemistry
Civil Engineering
Classical Studies
Communication Sciences and Disorders
Computer Engineering
Computer Science
Criminology and Law
Dance, Bachelor of Arts
Dance, Bachelor of Fine Arts
Digital Arts and Sciences
East Asian Languages and Literatures
Economics
Education, Unified Early Childhood Education ProTeach (Pre-K - Grade 3)
Education, Unified Elementary/Special Education ProTeach (Grades K-6)
Electrical Engineering
Engineering, Undecided (IDS)
English
Entomology and Nematology
Environmental Engineering
Environmental Management in Agriculture and Natural Resources (IS)
Environmental Science
College of Agricultural and Life Sciences
Family, Youth and Community Sciences
Film and Media Studies (IDS)
Finance
Fire and Emergency Services
Food and Resource Economics
Food Science and Human Nutrition
Forest Resources and Conservation
French and Francophone Studies
Geography
Geology
Geomatics
German
Golf and Sports Turf Management (IS)
Graphic Design
Health Education and Behavior
Health Science
History
Horticultural Science
Industrial and Systems Engineering
Information Systems
Interdisciplinary Studies, College of Agricultural and Life Sciences

-Environmental Management in Agriculture and Natural Resources
-Golf and Sports Turf Management

Interdisciplinary Studies, College of Liberal Arts and Sciences

-American Indian and Ind ...


www.starpulse.com
Thinks that it should be totally eliminated...
 
2012-04-23 11:44:01 AM  

The Sofa King: Nightsweat: Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.

Not true. Athletics actually costs almost all some colleges more than any revenue they receive.

FTFY

And UF is not one of those colleges. The athletics department exists entirely on its own, and gives roughly $6 million per year to the university, free and clear. It would be more were it not for Title IX.


Nope. Sorry - you're excluding costs -
Take the University of Florida. During the 2009-2010 school year it raked in $44 million from football and $2 million from men's basketball-but lost $2.8 million on women's basketball, $5.3 million on other men's sports, and $10 million on other women's sports. And that's before you include the cost of coaches' salaries ($17.4 million), aid to student athletes ($7.5 million), and recruiting ($1.4 million).

Reason, October 14, 2011

Plus side - $44m (football) + $2M (basketball) = $46m to the good
Minus side - $2.8m + $5.3m + $10m + $17.4m + $7.5m + $1.4m = $44.4 to the bad

At BEST, UF is making 1.6m on it's programs. not 6m. And that's a major outlier. Let U of F have a few bad seasons and the program will bleed red ink.

Bloomberg found 43/56 programs losing money, and that's after forcing students to pay fees like U VA's $1000 fee to every student, whether they ever see the inside of a gym or sit in the stands once or not.

Add to the fact that the "student-athletes" in the high profile sports are really unpaid pros and you have a pretty good argument that high profile college sports are a sinkhole.
 
2012-04-23 11:51:59 AM  

The Sofa King: guitardedx69: Here's an Update: I spoke to the UF Computer Sciences department. They're saying that they're not eliminating the CS program completely. Instead, they are just merging it with the Engineering department and eliminating a few jobs because of budget cuts. They also said that everything is being proposed right now, meaning that this is not official yet. Here's some more info on it:
Link

Weird. Because the article would deftly imply that CS is being completely eliminated from the university's curriculum, and the savings are being funneled directly into athletics. The link you provided must be wrong.


So a Forbes article that's obviously using sensationalism to gain interest and readers must be more credible than the UF Computer Sciences department head that I spoke to and the official UF Engineering Department website. Hmm, I think you have a point.
 
2012-04-23 12:12:02 PM  
There's something about the site being made from WordPress that makes me sad.

/CS Major
//uses Notepad / vim when on a terminal
 
2012-04-23 12:48:40 PM  
'merica!!!! fark yeah!!! coming to save the mother farking day again!!!

...BOOKS!!... (silence)
 
2012-04-23 01:04:07 PM  

Nightsweat: The Sofa King: Nightsweat: Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.

Not true. Athletics actually costs almost all some colleges more than any revenue they receive.

FTFY

And UF is not one of those colleges. The athletics department exists entirely on its own, and gives roughly $6 million per year to the university, free and clear. It would be more were it not for Title IX.

Nope. Sorry - you're excluding costs -
Take the University of Florida. During the 2009-2010 school year it raked in $44 million from football and $2 million from men's basketball-but lost $2.8 million on women's basketball, $5.3 million on other men's sports, and $10 million on other women's sports. And that's before you include the cost of coaches' salaries ($17.4 million), aid to student athletes ($7.5 million), and recruiting ($1.4 million).
Reason, October 14, 2011

Plus side - $44m (football) + $2M (basketball) = $46m to the good
Minus side - $2.8m + $5.3m + $10m + $17.4m + $7.5m + $1.4m = $44.4 to the bad

At BEST, UF is making 1.6m on it's programs. not 6m. And that's a major outlier. Let U of F have a few bad seasons and the program will bleed red ink.

Bloomberg found 43/56 programs losing money, and that's after forcing students to pay fees like U VA's $1000 fee to every student, whether they ever see the inside of a gym or sit in the stands once or not.

Add to the fact that the "student-athletes" in the high profile sports are really unpaid pros and you have a pretty good argument that high profile college sports are a sinkhole.


You should check your facts better, genius...

FTFY

Note that, for one, your revenue numbers are WAYYYYY off. Also note one of the expenditures. "Contribution to UF."
 
2012-04-23 01:24:28 PM  
Florida universities are cutting faculty salaries and raising tuition by double-digit percentages. Florida is going to lose whatever brains it had left.

I guess that means fewer Democrats and left-leaning independents... well played.
 
2012-04-23 01:36:12 PM  

PsyLord: -Golf and Sports Turf Management


Don't laugh. There's quite a bit of info there, like how to properly spray pesticides, and how to keep grass green in the summer, and which chemicals do not interact well. It's a bit of a grass-focused Chemistry degree.

If you're very good and very lucky, you can make $150K per year plus free house, car, medical, the works. Now the other 99% will get screwed, and be working minimum wage jobs for the rest of their life.

You'll be working 70 hours/7 days per week doing hard physical labor 90% of your life either way, but that's your choice.

/Dad did this.
//decided that he would rather raise his kids than get a promotion.
///Is currently making $30K plus medical as the assistant super at a golf course where none of the mowers have brakes and equipment routinely bursts into flames as you're using it.
 
2012-04-23 01:52:57 PM  
Also, for those who are saying that CS programs suck, my experience has been that there are 3 types of CS programs

1) Math and theory. They don't actually teach you to write code, they teach you theory. ANd this is fine for the 5 people in the entire program who understand what the hell is going on, and will be able to get research jobs.

2) Java schools. They basically teach you a language, and then beat the language into you instead of saying "Hi, I need a webpage in a week" and forcing you to learn Javascript from scratch off Google in a week. (Actually had a course that did this with PHP, Ajax, and Javascript. Had another one that wanted us to write Javascript viruses without teaching us Javascript first. Yeah, that was fun).

I'm also picking on the Java schools because I think that Java is the absolute WORST language they can use for this. It doesn't teach the nitty-gritty of pointers and memory management ala C/C++, and doesn't provide the type flexibility of an interpreted language like Javascript, PHP, Python, Lisp, etc.

3) CS = Software Engineering. They usually start low with a C++ (though they can start high. MIT uses Scheme and Lisp),and slowly build up through concepts, stressing design, modularity, and readability at every turn. There might be a couple of theory courses, but the focus is largely on first providing tools (a language or two plus a basic understanding of algorithms and datastructures) and then showing you HOW to apply these concepts to various real-world applications. (So for Operating Systems, we wrote our own thread library, our own virtual memory manager, and our own multithreaded file system based around Berkeley Sockets and pthreads).
 
2012-04-23 02:54:01 PM  

JackieRabbit: Remembers when the CS degree was the bobby prize for not being able to hack EE and SE programs....


I'm so auld skool, I remember when computer science was actually scientific and yielded reproducible results. And computer programmers didn't need to inflate their own egos by calling themselves engineers.
 
2012-04-23 03:14:41 PM  

The Sofa King: Nightsweat: The Sofa King: Nightsweat: Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.

Not true. Athletics actually costs almost all some colleges more than any revenue they receive.

FTFY

And UF is not one of those colleges. The athletics department exists entirely on its own, and gives roughly $6 million per year to the university, free and clear. It would be more were it not for Title IX.

Nope. Sorry - you're excluding costs -
Take the University of Florida. During the 2009-2010 school year it raked in $44 million from football and $2 million from men's basketball-but lost $2.8 million on women's basketball, $5.3 million on other men's sports, and $10 million on other women's sports. And that's before you include the cost of coaches' salaries ($17.4 million), aid to student athletes ($7.5 million), and recruiting ($1.4 million).
Reason, October 14, 2011

Plus side - $44m (football) + $2M (basketball) = $46m to the good
Minus side - $2.8m + $5.3m + $10m + $17.4m + $7.5m + $1.4m = $44.4 to the bad

At BEST, UF is making 1.6m on it's programs. not 6m. And that's a major outlier. Let U of F have a few bad seasons and the program will bleed red ink.

Bloomberg found 43/56 programs losing money, and that's after forcing students to pay fees like U VA's $1000 fee to every student, whether they ever see the inside of a gym or sit in the stands once or not.

Add to the fact that the "student-athletes" in the high profile sports are really unpaid pros and you have a pretty good argument that high profile college sports are a sinkhole.

You should check your facts better, genius...

FTFY

Note that, for one, your revenue numbers are WAYYYYY off. Also note one of the expenditures. "Contribution to UF."


Don't try to convince me, convince Bloomberg and Reason magazine. I'm just breaking the news to you, "genius".
 
2012-04-23 03:17:56 PM  
Came here for the Florida hate, leaving satisfied.

And to answer everyone's question about whether this is the Deep South:
Florida is the 4th most populated state in the union. It has just about everything you can imagine. Gainesville's population is around 120,000, of which a majority are associated in some way with the university. Once you're outside of the city limits, it is pretty rural in every direction. The closest metropolitan areas are Jacksonville to the east and Tampa to the south. Rural Florida is pretty much on par with rural anywhere else; you're going to have more than your share of crazy. Religious fundamentalism is more prevalent, as is illiteracy. It is simply inevitable.

Yes, hispanic culture is pervasive in Miami. You should visit, it's fun.
Orlando is a fun city too, try market street in the downtown area.
Tampa and St. Pete have a great nightlife for young professionals. First Friday in St. Petersburg is always a blast.
Between Gasparilla, Fantasy Fest, Ultra, etc., there is always a festival or party within driving distance.

For all the scared middle Americans that visit Fark:

1. It is not likely that you will be robbed, shot, or maimed in any way upon visiting Florida
2. Once you have conquered that fear of the unknown by visiting, you will likely respond like every other snowbird by not leaving.

/You're welcome
 
2012-04-23 03:43:02 PM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Weaver95: WhyteRaven74: Ambivalence: Nerds, not so much.

Actually they can make tons of money for a university.

especially if/when they develop a new patent or new technology. but research isn't 'sexy'. it doesn't have cheerleaders, it's not 'kewl'. intelligence and education certainly aren't respected anymore.

nope, we're just gonna say 'f*ck education' and keep outsourcing key jobs. Because hey, i'm sure that won't ever weaken this country, right?

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Reality is that science grads do not contribute money to the school after graduation

The biggest donors on the academic side of a college/univ are the same ones who are the biggest donors on the athletic side. Which is why every university president at a major school is now so involved with athletics.....those people who fund the sports are the ones that fund the geeks, too


that's because with rare exceptions most CS graduates don;t end up making $10 million/ yr shooting or throwing some round ball around.
 
2012-04-23 04:14:47 PM  
Computer Science is gay. all you need is iTUnes University
 
2012-04-23 04:14:54 PM  
Keep it up, and they'll be as GREAT AS PENN STATE!!!
 
2012-04-23 04:31:16 PM  

meyerkev: 3) CS = Software Engineering. They usually start low with a C++ (though they can start high. MIT uses Scheme and Lisp),


Damn, we started with Ada and machine code at USF.
 
2012-04-23 05:03:12 PM  

Nightsweat: The Sofa King: Nightsweat: The Sofa King: Nightsweat: Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.

Not true. Athletics actually costs almost all some colleges more than any revenue they receive.

FTFY

And UF is not one of those colleges. The athletics department exists entirely on its own, and gives roughly $6 million per year to the university, free and clear. It would be more were it not for Title IX.

Nope. Sorry - you're excluding costs -
Take the University of Florida. During the 2009-2010 school year it raked in $44 million from football and $2 million from men's basketball-but lost $2.8 million on women's basketball, $5.3 million on other men's sports, and $10 million on other women's sports. And that's before you include the cost of coaches' salaries ($17.4 million), aid to student athletes ($7.5 million), and recruiting ($1.4 million).
Reason, October 14, 2011

Plus side - $44m (football) + $2M (basketball) = $46m to the good
Minus side - $2.8m + $5.3m + $10m + $17.4m + $7.5m + $1.4m = $44.4 to the bad

At BEST, UF is making 1.6m on it's programs. not 6m. And that's a major outlier. Let U of F have a few bad seasons and the program will bleed red ink.

Bloomberg found 43/56 programs losing money, and that's after forcing students to pay fees like U VA's $1000 fee to every student, whether they ever see the inside of a gym or sit in the stands once or not.

Add to the fact that the "student-athletes" in the high profile sports are really unpaid pros and you have a pretty good argument that high profile college sports are a sinkhole.

You should check your facts better, genius...

FTFY

Note that, for one, your revenue numbers are WAYYYYY off. Also note one of the expenditures. "Contribution to UF."

Don't try to convince me, convince Bloomberg and Reason magazine. I'm just breaking the news to youblindly regurgitating what I read in blogs as fact, "genius".


Fixed.
 
2012-04-23 05:08:16 PM  

Mugato: meyerkev: 3) CS = Software Engineering. They usually start low with a C++ (though they can start high. MIT uses Scheme and Lisp),

Damn, we started with Ada and machine code at USF.


You can go high or low, it doesn't matter. It's just that the java kids are missing out on the really cool stuff that dynamic typing and interpreted languages in general let you do (even if you do have to deal with 2 + 2 = 22 errors), while also missing out on the low-level instructions/memory management that C/C++ forces on you.

I'm very happy that Michigan does C++ and not C/assembly. It's close enough that you can basically treat it as C for certain projects (We spent most of a semester not being allowed to use C++-strings for example), but you still get the niceness of classes and member functions. That and C isn't really worth spending a semester on. I think I've had a grand total of 2 weeks and 1 project of dedicated C (plus a few professors who delighted in using the same API's for projects for the last 23 years, and were using C code), and there's not a whole lot that I missed out on in those 2 weeks.

/I think there is an optional class freshman year that does Assembly programming. I did not take it. I wrote a 6000-line PacMan ripoff instead.
//Sadly, I've since lost the source.
 
2012-04-23 05:49:18 PM  

CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

However, I do think that middle school and high school should heavily emphasize on nutrition, basic body science and basic understanding of exercises; such as knowing the difference between aerobic, anarobic and flexibility. Especially co-ordination and balance.


"My college got the right priorities"?

Did they drop the English grammar department? Shouldn't it be "my college has..."?
 
2012-04-23 07:32:14 PM  
Sure, let's just get rid of all that money-losing education and make all colleges minor league football, basketball and baseball teams. We don't need doctors or engineers or lawyers or accountants or scientists, etc.

We need more people who want to play professional sports.

America, fark yeah!
 
2012-04-23 08:13:12 PM  
It seems more like the lefties at UF are trying to punish the Republicans (and America) for messing with education budgets.
 
2012-04-23 08:25:21 PM  

Smelly Pirate Hooker: and make all colleges minor league football, basketball and baseball teams.


Minor league players get paid.
 
2012-04-23 09:34:48 PM  

ArminiusTheGreat: Came here for the Florida hate, leaving satisfied.


Don't look at me, I'm defending Florida. SEC for life yo.
 
2012-04-23 10:59:55 PM  

awakeinsd: CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.

However, I do think that middle school and high school should heavily emphasize on nutrition, basic body science and basic understanding of exercises; such as knowing the difference between aerobic, anarobic and flexibility. Especially co-ordination and balance.

"My college got the right priorities"?

Did they drop the English grammar department? Shouldn't it be "my college has..."?


I already addressed this.
 
2012-04-24 12:47:18 AM  

CrispFlows: Funny, My university did the oppisite, they cut athletic classes including muay thai and kenpo. All the traditionals like spirit and track is preserved.

The rest of the funding went to the brand new science building.

My college got the right priorities.


You know what my university did? They leveraged their recent athletic success into self-sufficiency, got an invitation to the premiere athletic conference, increased their enrollment over multiple years due to increased exposure of the athletic programs, AND they built a brand new science building. When you manage things well, it doesn't have no be a zero sum game between athletics and academics.
 
2012-04-24 02:28:35 AM  

Mentat: You know what my university did? They leveraged their recent athletic success into self-sufficiency, got an invitation to the premiere athletic conference, increased their enrollment over multiple years due to increased exposure of the athletic programs, AND they built a brand new science building. When you manage things well, it doesn't have no be a zero sum game between athletics and academics.


I do agree that it does bring exposure and more enrollment, the odd thing is - enrollment is increasing faster than what the university can be able to bring in, which necessitates the new building - this is right after we built a more updated library and a new track field.

Occasionally, I do wonder whether or not if the university is expanding too fast but I don't have enough training or knowledge to know if my concern is valid. However, I wondered - BYU corners the market on football - if UVU builds a football stadium and do all the hoops and steps to get into NCAA football, would it even work?

I mean, what state has two NCAA football home teams within a 5 mile radius?
 
2012-04-24 03:41:44 PM  

Ambivalence: Sports programs make money for a university. Nerds, not so much.


Nerds are the raison d'etre for universities. Sports programs, not so much.
 
2012-04-24 03:41:50 PM  
Is this on? OK...

*ahem* suck it haters! Go Gators!!!
 
2012-04-24 03:45:02 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Ambivalence: IronTom: What has happened to our universities? It is like they've been taken over by idiots or people who don't like America.

Idiocracy is looking downright prophetic these days.

I first heard about that movie from Fark. I saw it mentioned repeatedly, so I finally watched it. I thought it was a terrible, terrible movie.


You, sir, have no sense of humor.
 
2012-04-24 03:48:13 PM  

GoSurfing: Urinal Cake Mix: Let's be honest: it's not like anything good has ever come out of the state of Florida anyway. Who cares if their colleges suck too?

This came out of Florida. © Me

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A Buick backing up out of a parking space?
 
2012-04-24 06:51:36 PM  

CrispFlows: I mean, what state has two NCAA football home teams within a 5 mile radius?


Duke, UNC and NCSU would probably be the next closest.
 
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