There is a pestilence on this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress in this period in history.

p the boiler: I get it you were a nerd, people picked on you and now you are an engineer so you want to try to be the bully.

We get it. You were a cool kid in school, took some BS degree so you could party and you're bitter about not having a high paying job handed to you. Could you please hurry up with my coffee?

Finity999: Before you cry "Oh woe is me!" about the job market, start applying for any opportunity that is remotely relative to your skill set. I guess more and more people my age are prone to wanting to live at home with mommy and daddy until they can get their $50k a year dream job.

Even the good tech jobs are getting scarce.

My son just graduated college and started a job with 1,800 people under him. He mows the lawn at the cemetery.
/old joke
//old guy

Atomic Spunk:
Not all healthcare jobs are fun. In fact, I'd guess very few jobs in that field are fun. At least not for me. I love talking about money, so being a CPA is more my speed. And I never have to deal with anyone's piss or poop as a part of my job.

yellow and brown = green

I see a lot of talk of an "Engineering" degree, but no one ever mentions specifics. Chemical? Electrical? Structural? Network?

I did a lot of engineering in WoW while I still played, I wonder if that counts...

itsfullofstars: We need to be telling these kids that there are very few people who are fortunate enough to get paid to do what most people do for beer money at best. We also need to let them know that work is work, and getting paid for something you love isn't always as great as it sounds.

Absolutely, grind them down while kids, don't want them to start getting any crazy ideas that they might enjoy their careers or that they won't be working til the day they die to pay for the baby boomers health costs..

I love the Lib Arts bashing. I get it you were a nerd, people picked on you and now you are an engineer so you want to try to be the bully.

I've heard there are some job openings in the Secret Service.

Mock26: Every single programming language ever created.

speaking of programming languages, have you missed some of the horribly coded websites?

Sites like this one:

Horrible artwork, horrible!

numbone: Go buy a weed eater and a lawnmower. I don't care if my lawn care guy has a nose ring.

Jose and Paco can do it cheaper and quicker.

UCFRoadWarrior:
All this push for Science and Math degrees in a service-based economy is GOP Business Socialist nonsense. As one manager of a business so succinctly put it: "Why do I want to hire a Mathematician at $70,000 when I can use the calculator on my cell phone to do my computations?"

The modern computer, a gift from mathematical minds
He has used it for fark, and pron, so many times
As he pounds on his keyboard, making a horrendous clatter
He says: Numbers... they really don't matter!

The_Original_Roxtar:
From what i've been able to discern, in order to work in HR, you have to have the following qualities:
1. Be a moron
2. Be a sadist
3. Be offended by everything
4. Desire that no other person has any fun whatsoever

So Texas Chainsaw Massacre wasn't a horror movie, but an HR training video?

Kar98:
And how, I wonder, do people gain the time and leisure to create art?

They shouldn't have to "gain the time and leisure to create art", it should be an integral part of the society, as in "this is important enough to us that we will pay these people to help make our civilization more pleasant for the now, and more lasting for the future". Not extra, but essential.

Because when the aliens visit what's left of our world 100,000 years after we've killed ourselves off, what will tell them more about who we were - a pile of broken steel and concrete, or a Chuck Berry record and a Hemingway novel?

Digital Communist: You can always do arts stuff when it was meant, in your spare time.


Fark you sideways, in your spare time. I won't even BEGIN to try to explain to your dumb ass the ways in which everything you see, hear, live in, read, wear, drive, use or touch that was made by humans has the hands and mind of an artist in it.

Find me one farking thing that hasn't been created in part or in whole by an artist, designer, architect or other college arts graduate that should have done art "in their spare time". Go ahead. I farking DARE YOU.

/graphic designer
//had it up to here with this dumb sh*t
//farking moran

verbaltoxin: Too_many_Brians: The_Original_Roxtar: verbaltoxin: Yoyo: ThematicDevice: Yoyo:
From what i've been able to discern, in order to work in HR, you have to have the following qualities:
1. Be a moron
2. Be a sadist
3. Be offended by everything
4. Desire that no other person has any fun whatsoever


Hey now, be careful or I might have to bring Pam and her dolphin into this thread....

She's too busy deleting resumes off the company's job board for the applicants not having exactly 3 and a half years experience with twelve different certifications.

That is entirely too meticulous to be Pam.

/shiatsnacks!

Let's figure this out.

Student "A" goes into the guidance counselors office. " I want to be a creative writer". He says.

The guidance counselor looks at his computer. There are 46 empty seats in the English Department. 46 seats times $200,000 in tuition equals $9,200,000.00

Guidance Counselor begins "Creative Writing is a hot field right now. This is where you belong. Sign here."

verbaltoxin: Yoyo: ThematicDevice: Yoyo: Ergo, if everyone got an engineering degree, then all employers could just hire engineers for everything.

You really can't. The only people who think that way are the substandard engineering managers who steadily run their department into the ground because they're not able to correctly assess peoples strengths and motivations in order to place them in the right job.

Sure, there are some engineers that suck at personnel management, but there are also some engineers that do it well. Just 'cause one guy or gal can't do a particular job, doesn't mean that they all can't. You don't need to major in HR to manage people.

What job is there that requires only a bachelor's degree that will not accept an engineering bachelor's?

If there is one thing that will bring the engineering and creative arts Farkers together, it's their hatred of human resources.

From what i've been able to discern, in order to work in HR, you have to have the following qualities:
1. Be a moron
2. Be a sadist
3. Be offended by everything
4. Desire that no other person has any fun whatsoever

Bob_Laublaw: A friend's 22-year-old son finished up a poli-sci degree last year and landed a job alongside his 25-year-old HS dropout brother, working the oilfields for about 60K to start. Not many folks care for 3 weeks on/1 week off in the far north, but the 25-year-old now owns his house outright. My point? Don't have one, just biding time between fapping sessions.

Are they hiring wolf hunters? I'd like to be a pipeline wolf hunter.

Creative writing?

Maybe this is what we get for telling youngsters they can grown up to be anything they want..

tootse: UCFRoadWarrior: p the boiler: I love the Lib Arts bashing. I get it you were a nerd, people picked on you and now you are an engineer so you want to try to be the bully.

Yes...and lets see the Engineer people come down to my area of Florida and see if they can find work after NASA scaled down.

All this push for Science and Math degrees in a service-based economy is GOP Business Socialist nonsense. As one manager of a business so succinctly put it: "Why do I want to hire a Mathematician at $70,000 when I can use the calculator on my cell phone to do my computations?"

Are you and your manager confusing Arithmetic with Mathematics again?

/never seen a more wrong and hilarious use of the word 'succinct'.

Reminds me of my friend who is an assistant to a hospital administrator. The administrator was all like, "Why should I hire a doctor at $220K when I can just use WebMD? Look, I even have it bookmarked."

Learn a foreign language. I doubled in finance and mandarin. The ability to speak a language from an up and coming super power has secured me more job opportunities than anything.

sk8r: I want a year's worth of references from anywhere to demonatrate that you understand the concept of a job.

Would membership in various socialist and communist organizations be sufficient to "demonatrate" my commitment to larger organizations?

Gramma: I live near Detroit. Am I screwed?

Obviously.

JorgiX: I'm starting college this fall at a top university and the thought of not finding a job after graduation stresses the shiat out of me even now. It may be the fact that in the back of my head I know my major is not particularly lucrative in most cases or that my long-term plan for my life doesn't look as good as it did a few years ago (poli sci major that wanted to go to law school but with the legal market the way it is...). I don't consider myself part of the "snowflakes" that just want success to rain down on them due to the fact that the possess a degree either, I've had a difficult life and I've always worked hard in networking and career planning yet I still feel tons of pressure knowing that I might still end up unemployed.

I don't know if this awareness is a positive or a negative but I do know that not everyone is as careful and some people are getting balls deep in debt to study photography and expect to make a living out of that.

/some career advice other than "study engineering" would be greatly appreciated.

become a doctor

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The difference... I do not see it

The Chron f'd up. This news story is in every paper and newscast today. All the rest of them used the headline:

1 in 2 new graduates are jobless or underemployed

Chron has since updated the headline. Perhaps they should hire this creative writer/barista to check their work for them.

Digital Communist: There is a lot of creativity in engineering, you get to design and build things that never existed before.

Yeah, and instead of the hot little co-ed girls in your class you get a bunch of asian kids and indian teachers who can barely speak english...

Why are these kids looking for a job right after graduation? Shouldn't they be taking a year or so to find themselves and touring Europe?
Pssst, hint, the military is always looking for educated folks.

mc_madness: Get your kids focused on a healthcare profession.

America is getting fatter and older and Americans generally take shiatty care of themselves.

Healthcare profession jobs are guaranteed bank and fun.

Csb...

Before I received my degree in accounting, I used to work as a sales rep for a propane company. One of my larger clients was an elderly care home. I was taking a walk around their facility with the chief engineer when he was pulled away for an emergency phone call. As I was sitting in a hallway waiting, an old man with dementia approached me slowly, while babbling something and reaching out his hand. I thought maybe he needed help steadying himself, so I reached out to grad his hand. It was damp. He was wearing a hospital gown and I saw brown liquid running down his leg. I looked at my hand, and it had brown liquid on it.

Not all healthcare jobs are fun. In fact, I'd guess very few jobs in that field are fun. At least not for me. I love talking about money, so being a CPA is more my speed. And I never have to deal with anyone's piss or poop as a part of my job.

FTA

a lot of young graduates have shown up at job placement centers in tears

That's the kind of can-do attitude that employers are after.

If Im hiring through a placement center, I hope they show me the professional courtesy of pointing out to me the ones that came in blubbering.

lilplatinum: Kar98: lilplatinum: Kar98: Well, the rise of Western civilization didn't root in being able to draw farking ferns into overpriced coffee, but from the art of building shiat.

More like the art of growing plants, which doesn't indicate that being a farmer is the highest goal today.

More like, not? You don't build empires by growing cabbages.

The "root" of western civilization was when people stopped being transient and started growing their own food, only then did they start building shiat.

Not that any of that has any bearing on a jobs value today.

'k, so let's try to have a healthy economy based on cutting each others hair and drawing ferns into coffee.

Fluid: Perhaps the job market is just saturated with graduates?

No... it's clear that all graduates are entitled parasites scheming to destroy the philosophy of hard work and innovation that made this nation great.

Imagine if you were both jobless AND unemployed.
Maybe the guy with the writing degree could take the author's job.