way south: No one wants to be... uh... whoever the dude was that ran with Kerry.

I do.

That guy gets loads of tail.

The race to the bottom continues.
Neither of these clowns wants to be the next Sarah Palin, having become completely unelectable and dependent on Roger Ailes for a regular paycheck.
Keep on sucking, Sarah. He'll tell you when you're done.

way south: propasaurus: Here's why I've said all along that Rubio is at the top of the VP list.

Its also a good reason for him to keep his powder dry. Mitt is a sinking ship and Obama is going to throw a billion dollars of campaign funding at making sure he's seen as the least popular man alive. No one wants to inherit that legacy.

...But Obama has a problem. His VP is not viable for 2016, which will force the Democrats into a power struggle. Meanwhile the public will have had eight years to get fed up with democrats.

So if your GOP its a great moment to run.
Almost too good, because I think its sapped this cycles list of candidates.
2016 is going to be a repeat of what 2008 was but in the Republicans favor.
Right now we are replaying 2004 in the democrats favor and Mitt is the Republican version of Kerry.

No one wants to be... uh... whoever the dude was that ran with Kerry.

I disagree. You've got a lot of great future candidates coming up for the Democrats in 2016. The Republicans still have nothing, especially since every Presidential election cycle they've always run the second place finisher from the previous cycle. In 2016's case, that would be Rick Santorum whose brand of crazy will seem even more outdated and archiac than it did this time around.

You might get people like Chris Christie to run, but America dislikes ugly candidates. Mitch Daniels might be another contender if he's still around, but I wouldn't exactly place my bets on that one just yet.

If Rubio gets the VP nod, he might make a good run, but I don't see the base endorsing him in the primaries.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Serious Black: With Rubio, you get a suspect Hispanic guy who would make for a double Mormon ticket. And with Bush, you get another Bush. Tough choice.

I've had it with the Bush name...but he did a damn find job running this state. Then he handed it to Crist, who wiped his ass with it. And now Skeletor is just raping its corpse.

That's not his fault. It's the voters' fault.

Bill_Wick's_Friend: way south: No one wants to be... uh... whoever the dude was that ran with Kerry.

I do.

That guy gets loads of tail.

So will his cellmate in Club Fed

Serious Black: With Rubio, you get a suspect Hispanic guy who would make for a double Mormon ticket. And with Bush, you get another Bush. Tough choice.

These are Rmoney's choices?

*ziiiip*

fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap f ap

Kumana Wanalaia: Serious Black: With Rubio, you get a suspect Hispanic guy who would make for a double Mormon ticket. And with Bush, you get another Bush. Tough choice.

These are Rmoney's choices?

*ziiiip*

fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap f ap

I've been calling for Rand Paul as Veep pick for a while but now I'm not so sure anyone with a day job would want the gig. RP really doesn't need the profile boost and it might seriously impact his chances in 2016. Starting to think Huckabee now. He's white, southern, friendly with the "social conservative" set and not completely unpalatable to the deranged teatards. Plus when he loses he just goes back to his cushy gig at FOX News with perhaps a slight bump in pay.

way south: ...But Obama has a problem. His VP is not viable for 2016, which will force the Democrats into a power struggle. Meanwhile the public will have had eight years to get fed up with democrats.

Nothing stopping Obama from taking on a new veep at the last minute....I know it will never happen, but I would love to see him go cross ticket and pull someone like Rubio. Never in a million farking years, but god, that would be epic.

thatboyoverthere: That's not his fault. It's the voters' fault.

He endorsed Crist. He had so much of the voters faith do to his successes that the state went "Okay." I still can't figure out how the fark skeletor got elected. I have met exactly one person who admits to having voted for him.

quatchi: I've been calling for Rand Paul as Veep pick for a while but now I'm not so sure anyone with a day job would want the gig. RP really doesn't need the profile boost and it might seriously impact his chances in 2016. Starting to think Huckabee now. He's white, southern, friendly with the "social conservative" set and not completely unpalatable to the deranged teatards. Plus when he loses he just goes back to his cushy gig at FOX News with perhaps a slight bump in pay.

Why do people ever vote based on the VP pick? They generally don't play that significantly into the big ticket administration stuff...the only time a VP has ever factored into my decision was to vote AGAINST someone like Palin being a heartbeat away.

dogdaze: propasaurus: Here's why I've said all along that Rubio is at the top of the VP list.

Rubio's been my odds on favorite for the VP nod too.

/subby
//Obama 2012!

From the GOP's perspective he is probably the best choice, but does he want to risk his political future, which would definitely be hurt by any failed VP bid.

propasaurus: Bill_Wick's_Friend: Freepers, WingNutDaily fans and others on the hard right think Rubio is an anchor baby who has lied about his heritage and his family history.

In other words:

¿donde está la partida de nacimento?
¿dond?
\ /
o
|
/ \

And, magically, they won't think that anymore when Rubio is on the ticket and he's the only hope they have of having any conservative anywhere near the White House.

Oh, sure, for some^H^H^H^Hmost of them, but you'd be surprised.

Better to be on the top of the car than to be on the top of the menu.

Doggie bag for Obama!

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Why do people ever vote based on the VP pick? They generally don't play that significantly into the big ticket administration stuff...the only time a VP has ever factored into my decision was to vote AGAINST someone like Palin being a heartbeat away.

Traditionally a Veep pick "fills in the blanks". In Obama's case Biden was picked because of the charges of "newb" flying at Obama in the campaign. Biden's days in DC were seen as backing up Obama's lack of same.

Palin was picked as a desperate gamble after the Lieberman pick was rejected as pants-on-head retarded. For the most part the thinking there was that she had a "historical" factor to counter Obama's "first black POTUS" narrative and because some in the GOP naively felt that she could draw women voter's despite her anti-feminist policy stances because she also had a vagina.

Mitt is weak in the south and with the base. Ergo he can't pick another Noreastener elite like himself. He needs a teatard or a fundocrat to hang around his neck to get the rest of the pack to like him or at least stop growling so loud.

It's also the first real decision any POTUS candidate makes that has any real impact and it's ramifications should always be looked at very closely regardless of whether or not the position amounts anything more than the proverbial "pitcher of warm spit".

subsetzero: Better to be on the top of the car than to be on the top of the menu.

Doggie bag for Obama!

Good boy!

Bringing that derptastic talking point all the way here and then dropping it at Fark's feet like a dead rat with doggie drool all over it.

Here, have a snausage. Now, shhhh....



/Hot.

quatchi: Traditionally a Veep pick "fills in the blanks". In Obama's case Biden was picked because of the charges of "newb" flying at Obama in the campaign. Biden's days in DC were seen as backing up Obama's lack of same.

No no, I understand why a veep gets put on the ticket....I don't understand why anyone is gullible enough to actually VOTE based on the veep. In this instance: I would vote for Jeb Bush in a heart beat given his track record in Florida. If he were on the top of the ticket. Putting him on the bottom of the ticket to balance Romney..well...no, I won't vote for him. Because I'm not gullible enough to think the veep really matters that much.

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: quatchi: Traditionally a Veep pick "fills in the blanks". In Obama's case Biden was picked because of the charges of "newb" flying at Obama in the campaign. Biden's days in DC were seen as backing up Obama's lack of same.

No no, I understand why a veep gets put on the ticket....I don't understand why anyone is gullible enough to actually VOTE based on the veep. In this instance: I would vote for Jeb Bush in a heart beat given his track record in Florida. If he were on the top of the ticket. Putting him on the bottom of the ticket to balance Romney..well...no, I won't vote for him. Because I'm not gullible enough to think the veep really matters that much.

I don't really understand why people would vote for somebody because of who they picked for VP, but I can understand voting against somebody because of who they picked for VP. Even if I had not been leaning Obama early in the season, his choice of Sarah Palin for VP scared the hell out of me. I do not trust her with nuclear weapons.

Serious Black: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: quatchi: Traditionally a Veep pick "fills in the blanks". In Obama's case Biden was picked because of the charges of "newb" flying at Obama in the campaign. Biden's days in DC were seen as backing up Obama's lack of same.

No no, I understand why a veep gets put on the ticket....I don't understand why anyone is gullible enough to actually VOTE based on the veep. In this instance: I would vote for Jeb Bush in a heart beat given his track record in Florida. If he were on the top of the ticket. Putting him on the bottom of the ticket to balance Romney..well...no, I won't vote for him. Because I'm not gullible enough to think the veep really matters that much.

I don't really understand why people would vote for somebody because of who they picked for VP, but I can understand voting against somebody because of who they picked for VP. Even if I had not been leaning Obama early in the season, his choice of Sarah Palin for VP scared the hell out of me. I do not trust her with nuclear weapons.

I believe you and I are experiencing a case of violent agreement.

hubiestubert: quatchi: subsetzero: Better to be on the top of the car than to be on the top of the menu.

Doggie bag for Obama!

Good boy!

Bringing that derptastic talking point all the way here and then dropping it at Fark's feet like a dead rat with doggie drool all over it.

Here, have a snausage. Now, shhhh....

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x286]

/Hot.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x324]

but but bush!

Best part... forver.

hubiestubert: [PaineQuote]

Nice, I usually go with "never try to reason someone out a position they were never reasoned into in the first place" but yours is good too!

/Also it has now been stolen.
//Right *click* Yoink!
///TYVM! ^__^

hubiestubert: quatchi: subsetzero: Better to be on the top of the car than to be on the top of the menu.

Doggie bag for Obama!

Good boy!

Bringing that derptastic talking point all the way here and then dropping it at Fark's feet like a dead rat with doggie drool all over it.

Here, have a snausage. Now, shhhh....

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 400x286]

/Hot.

[lh4.googleusercontent.com image 640x324]

*right click, save as*

quatchi: Nice, I usually go with "never try to reason someone out a position they were never reasoned into in the first place" but yours is good too!

*ctrl+c*

this thread delivers.

subsetzero: Better to be on the top of the car than to be on the top of the menu.

Doggie bag for Obama!

Yes, because Obama, at the age of six, invented the Indonesian tradition of eating dog meat.

/Either that, or he used his time machine to invent it before he was born.

propasaurus: hubiestubert: The problem with Rubio is that in order to get behind him, then a fairly substantial portion of the Birthers will have to give up on their pipe dream of calling out Obama as not being a "natural born citizen" and that won't do, if folks want to court the Crazy Train, and they obviously do...

At its core, birtherism has always been about the notion that a black man with an African/Arab name just can't possibly be an American deserving of the Presidency. Call it racism or just 'otherism,' he's just not one of us. Everything else is just window dressing. Which is why there's been so much goal post shifting. Why won't he release the birth certificate? Here it is. But it's not the long form birth certificate. Here's that. But it's forged, we can tell by the pixels. No it's not. Well even if it's real, yada yada yada...
All of the 'Constitutional' arguments are just a way of deflecting from the idea that they're opposed to this man on a gut level, and an attempt to paint themselves as super patriots in the process. So none of those "natural born citizen" arguments will be called into serious play with Rubio. Birtherism is not about the Constitution, not about eligibility, not about anything else except a visceral hatred of Obama.

The tough part is that WingNutDaily has already claimed that Rubio is ineligible. It would be wonderful to see if they go after him if he gets the VP nomination, or if they do yet another about-face and leave him alone.

propasaurus: HighOnCraic: propasaurus: hubiestubert: The problem with Rubio is that in order to get behind him, then a fairly substantial portion of the Birthers will have to give up on their pipe dream of calling out Obama as not being a "natural born citizen" and that won't do, if folks want to court the Crazy Train, and they obviously do...

At its core, birtherism has always been about the notion that a black man with an African/Arab name just can't possibly be an American deserving of the Presidency. Call it racism or just 'otherism,' he's just not one of us. Everything else is just window dressing. Which is why there's been so much goal post shifting. Why won't he release the birth certificate? Here it is. But it's not the long form birth certificate. Here's that. But it's forged, we can tell by the pixels. No it's not. Well even if it's real, yada yada yada...
All of the 'Constitutional' arguments are just a way of deflecting from the idea that they're opposed to this man on a gut level, and an attempt to paint themselves as super patriots in the process. So none of those "natural born citizen" arguments will be called into serious play with Rubio. Birtherism is not about the Constitution, not about eligibility, not about anything else except a visceral hatred of Obama.

The tough part is that WingNutDaily has already claimed that Rubio is ineligible. It would be wonderful to see if they go after him if he gets the VP nomination, or if they do yet another about-face and leave him alone.

They also said Obama was eligible and the birth certificate was real when they thought Hilary might get the nomination.

That's my favorite part of Birthermania!

/They also said that Bill Clinton was the Anti-Christ.
//They also said that Barack Obama was the Anti-Christ.
///The also said that two hunters had shot Bigfoot and were keeping the body in a cooler.
////They also said . . . fark it, I could waste hours pointing out all the derp they've said.

The Republicans used a lot of bribes to clear the field for Romney. So what do you think they'll do to get someone to be Romney's VP? Jeb has probably written off politics for the foreseeable future, and Rubio might have a chance in 2016 regardless if he runs on the Republican ticket. It's easy to buy off party members who are desperate enough to make a half-hearted run for the presidency. But what are the promises of a pathetic dying party to people who still has a political career ahead of them?

This is the next real problem the Republicans have. They already anointed their chosen, but the constant 'no, you' of the VP nod is becoming embarrassing. They can't really go for any safe choices like an elder statesman (like Cheney) or a Palin-like unknown because those will be linked to the last few Republican disasters. And most up-and-comers are backing off from the Obama juggernaut. This whole VP thing looks to be the one thing the Republicans can't really buy their way out of. The only person that seems to want it is Paul 'Whipping Boy' Ryan who is already an enormous failure and poster boy for kicking the elderly in the teeth to appease his rich masters.

ox45tallboy: Why do you think he quit rather than hope for a brokered convention?


1) He's hoping that at the next election he'll be the presumptive nominee as the nomination often goes to the guy who came in 2nd at the previous election.

2) His daughter with the genetic disorder is seriously ill and is unlikely to live that long. Even Santorum is human enough to want to be with his family rather than campaigning.

HighOnCraic: propasaurus: HighOnCraic: propasaurus: hubiestubert: The problem with Rubio is that in order to get behind him, then a fairly substantial portion of the Birthers will have to give up on their pipe dream of calling out Obama as not being a "natural born citizen" and that won't do, if folks want to court the Crazy Train, and they obviously do...

At its core, birtherism has always been about the notion that a black man with an African/Arab name just can't possibly be an American deserving of the Presidency. Call it racism or just 'otherism,' he's just not one of us. Everything else is just window dressing. Which is why there's been so much goal post shifting. Why won't he release the birth certificate? Here it is. But it's not the long form birth certificate. Here's that. But it's forged, we can tell by the pixels. No it's not. Well even if it's real, yada yada yada...
All of the 'Constitutional' arguments are just a way of deflecting from the idea that they're opposed to this man on a gut level, and an attempt to paint themselves as super patriots in the process. So none of those "natural born citizen" arguments will be called into serious play with Rubio. Birtherism is not about the Constitution, not about eligibility, not about anything else except a visceral hatred of Obama.

The tough part is that WingNutDaily has already claimed that Rubio is ineligible. It would be wonderful to see if they go after him if he gets the VP nomination, or if they do yet another about-face and leave him alone.

They also said Obama was eligible and the birth certificate was real when they thought Hilary might get the nomination.

That's my favorite part of Birthermania!

/They also said that Bill Clinton was the Anti-Christ.
//They also said that Barack Obama was the Anti-Christ.
///The also said that two hunters had shot Bigfoot and were keeping the body in a cooler.
////They also said . . . fark it, I could waste hours pointing out all the derp they've said.

Liar, nobody could point out all the derp they've said. There is just too much of it.

ox45tallboy: The Frothy One is everything needed to appeal to the Tea Party and to the fundies

...while rallying the Democratic base.

There is a big challenge for the GOP, they want someone who a) won't scare the tea baggers and friends away to either not bother voting or pick some third party guy; while simultaneously b) not scare everyone else into running to the polls to vote for Obama. It is a hard balance to achieve.

I do love how our precious repubs are trying desperately to make the 'OMFG Obama ate dog' thing turn into some kind of meme or negative, and being met with glassy stares and moving on to the next topic. Dont worry guys, there will be another chicken soon, just fark your hand till then.

ox45tallboy: The Frothy One is everything needed to appeal to the Tea Party and to the fundies. Why do you think he quit rather than hope for a brokered convention?

He's out of money?

Carth: Why would you want to be the VP on a failed ticket in 2012 when you can run yourself in 2016?

Bingo. Who wants to be this election's Sarah Palin, only not as pretty? Don't all shout a Mitt down at once now...come on...look, I ain't gonna wait all night...

andrewagill: ox45tallboy: The Frothy One is everything needed to appeal to the Tea Party and to the fundies. Why do you think he quit rather than hope for a brokered convention?

He's out of money?

They'd "basically raised almost no money."

Heh. That's far more amusing than it should be.

Fuggin Bizzy: andrewagill: ox45tallboy: The Frothy One is everything needed to appeal to the Tea Party and to the fundies. Why do you think he quit rather than hope for a brokered convention?

He's out of money?

They'd "basically raised almost no money."

Heh. That's far more amusing than it should be.

I hear Gru in my head saying "There are rumors that the bank is no longer funding us. I want to put these rumors to rest. The rumors are true."

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: I would vote for Jeb Bush in a heart beat given his track record in Florida. If he were on the top of the ticket. Putting him on the bottom of the ticket to balance Romney..well...no, I won't vote for him. Because I'm not gullible enough to think the veep really matters that much.

I used to think like you but then I took a Cheney to the knee.

I am wondering where the heck I can get me some dog meat in this town.

Southern San Joaquin Valley represent!!

quatchi: I used to think like you but then I took a Cheney to the knee.

Like I said, the only time the veep figures into my decision is to vote AGAINST someone who I don't want a heartbeat away. A Cheney redux would satisfy that requirement.

Everyone can see a Romney failure coming, no one wants to attached themselves to that anchor. Santorum will probably try to do a Romney in 2016 and turn his losing bid into a winning one for the next election. So we need a character whose political career is going nowhere...

Paging Herman Cain to the black courtesy phone...

Mittens can try and get some black vote, plus provide the nation with another fantastic VP debate. The memes will be epic.

NewportBarGuy: Obama=
[i44.tinypic.com image 640x416]

Rmoney=

[i40.tinypic.com image 640x373]

Your pic reminded met that I ran across this the other day. Gosh, I love the French sometimes:



Full size

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: quatchi: I used to think like you but then I took a Cheney to the knee.

Like I said, the only time the veep figures into my decision is to vote AGAINST someone who I don't want a heartbeat away. A Cheney redux would satisfy that requirement.

I understand. That's the rule but there are exceptions.

Case in point, Palin. While she overall dragged the ticket down by turning off moderates and indies in droves she also managed to bring out more of the base than McCain coulda brought out without a red meat tossing darling of the social conservative set for Veep.

There were people who came to out vote specifically for her, just not as many as she turned off.

quatchi: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: I would vote for Jeb Bush in a heart beat given his track record in Florida. If he were on the top of the ticket. Putting him on the bottom of the ticket to balance Romney..well...no, I won't vote for him. Because I'm not gullible enough to think the veep really matters that much.

I used to think like you but then I took a Cheney Palin to the knee.