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2012-04-22 11:34:31 AM
Better a plague of armored catfish than a plague of Dunkleosteus.
 
2012-04-22 12:08:35 PM
Sounds like them thar folk best git to noodlin'.
 
2012-04-22 12:14:16 PM
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Not impressed....
 
2012-04-22 12:48:51 PM
live with it
cement or stone shore
drain the lake
drag the lake
poison the lake
restock later

YAWN
dumb, cheap, white people problems
 
2012-04-22 01:04:04 PM
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That looks like the plecostomus from my aquarium

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2012-04-22 01:14:41 PM

whyRpeoplesostupid: That looks like the plecostomus from my aquarium


Same-same and that's where they came from. Well, maybe not your aquarium, but...

/don't dump unwanted fish in the canals thankyouverymuch
 
2012-04-22 01:21:49 PM

PacManDreaming: Better a plague of armored catfish than a plague of Dunkleosteus.


these are so awesome

Richard Saunders: whyRpeoplesostupid: That looks like the plecostomus from my aquarium

Same-same and that's where they came from. Well, maybe not your aquarium, but...

/don't dump unwanted fish in the canals thankyouverymuch


so basically the people who used these to keep the pools clean in empty houses then just dumped the fish when they were done?
LOLOLOL talk about poetic justice
 
2012-04-22 02:59:58 PM
Compared to the released/feral giant pythons they have, released/feral plecos can't be that bad.
 
2012-04-22 03:01:23 PM
Yup, them there are pleccos, here's one of mine when he was quite young:
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2012-04-22 03:04:14 PM
I had a couple of those in tanks too, dumped them in the pond when they started getting big.
 
2012-04-22 03:04:38 PM
Haha, it doesn't get cold enough in the winter to kill the gorillas. Sux 2 b u Florida!
 
2012-04-22 03:19:40 PM
"She acknowledges the need, but balks at the expense.

"People are not wanting to pay this," she said."


Anyone want to bet this lady is a Tea Partier?
 
2012-04-22 03:30:59 PM
Newsflash: You're living an a swamp, and nature is trying to take it back, with or without the help of transplanted species.
 
2012-04-22 03:31:07 PM

BumpInTheNight: Yup, them there are pleccos, here's one of mine when he was quite young:
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Different fish, but similar. Compare the eyes of the pleco to the eyes of the fish in TFA and you'll spot the difference. They probably come from the same ecosystem since plecos are south american.
 
2012-04-22 03:32:24 PM
But even the birds don't really care for armored catfish - because they actually are armored,

That's some good journalism there, Lou.

/Holy plecostomus!
 
2012-04-22 03:37:29 PM
You can eat the backstraps but it's really more trouble than it's worth ,we have lakes full of tilapia round here Central Fl)
Much more tasty and fun to gig.
 
2012-04-22 03:38:30 PM
"Perhaps the only thing that eats them is ospreys. But even the birds don't really care for armored catfish - because they actually are armored, with modified scales along their backs and spikey fins. Plus, they aren't very meaty, LaPrairie said."

I'm thinking gene therapy

/what could go wrong, you ask?
//flying fish with spikey fins
///500 pound flying fish with spikey fins.
////you flying in a plane with a warning about increased threat of fish strikes
 
2012-04-22 03:42:53 PM

Taima: But even the birds don't really care for armored catfish - because they actually are armored,

That's some good journalism there, Lou.

/Holy plecostomus!


Actually this is true. Due to US Navy anti-piracy efforts, in Somalia, they are starting to mount old WWII anti-aircraft guns on 30' plecos and then go out to take over vessels on the high seas. They are called sea technicals, or bahari technicals, or البحر العربات
 
2012-04-22 03:44:00 PM

mongbiohazard: BumpInTheNight: Yup, them there are pleccos, here's one of mine when he was quite young:
[img14.imageshack.us image 604x453]

Different fish, but similar. Compare the eyes of the pleco to the eyes of the fish in TFA and you'll spot the difference. They probably come from the same ecosystem since plecos are south american.


Of course they're different fish, that one came from a lake in Florida and mine's still sitting hanging around my tank sucking on the walls :P
 
2012-04-22 03:44:30 PM

TravisBickle62: I had a couple of those in tanks too, dumped them in the pond when they started getting big.


Meh I dumped my over weight ex in Florida last week
 
2012-04-22 03:44:49 PM

mongbiohazard: BumpInTheNight: Yup, them there are pleccos, here's one of mine when he was quite young:
[img14.imageshack.us image 604x453]

Different fish, but similar. Compare the eyes of the pleco to the eyes of the fish in TFA and you'll spot the difference. They probably come from the same ecosystem since plecos are south american.


The pictured is a leopard pleco. I have a rather nice chocolate one in my tank, had it for what, six years now I think. People who dump plecos are morons and should be forced to get spiked by one as a lesson in introducing non-native species into the ecosystem. These things live as far north as Salt Springs, where they grow to about three feet long in the wild and look like bloody sharks when they're swimming under you.

I knew someone who kept one in their tank until it was about that size-- had it in a long, skinny 40 gal tank, and fed it potato chunks.

That being said, this article is so full of bullshiat it isn't funny! WTF are residents doing walking in shallow marsh near retention ponds in South FL? that's an invitation to getting eaten by a 'gator, or worse-- an anaconda, the other favorite dumped specie here. No, if they're doing that, a sprained ankle or broken leg is the least of their worries.
Next: Plecos don't eat plants so much as dead matter and semi-rotting vegetation. Mine won't eat my live plants, but does a great job of eating the dead leaves. It has also reduced a dead log I put in my 40 tall from about 20" long to a friggin' stump, a mm at a time, day by day, night by night. I feed him well, but he still likes to snack on the native oak I put in there as a (former) decoration.

The leading cause of these things getting dumped are dumbass beginners who get their cute little 2-inch "algae eaters" as "companion fish" to clean up after nasty-ass Mal*Wart goldfish, and then can't handle it when they either 1) kill the goldfish, an animal which they love to suck on, which drives the goldfish insane and into "jump out" or beat-self-to-death mode, or 2) outgrow the bowl or tank, the natural end to the love.

Then again, I don't think retailers should be allowed to sell those adorable little redtail catfish either; when they're done eating everything else in the tank, they get to be about 6' - 10' long in the wild (originally from the Rio Grande and other S.A. rivers), and will outgrow any tank you put 'em in. Unless you're prepared to catch, cook, clean, and eat it, there's no point in owning one.
 
2012-04-22 03:45:02 PM
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Catatafish has 38 AP against your spearfishing attack.
 
2012-04-22 03:45:50 PM

whyRpeoplesostupid: [i196.photobucket.com image 640x326]

That looks like the plecostomus from my aquarium

[i196.photobucket.com image 640x302]


That's because it's precisely what it is.

Evidently, according to TFA, they can be really destructive with their nesting habits. That's really the only problem. Sounds like a lot of overreacting to me...
 
2012-04-22 03:50:26 PM
On the other hand, people releasing animals into ecosystems they are not indigenous to, warrants a cock punch. People have no idea how stupid they can be with that sort of nonsense. And it's been going on for as long as humans have been migrating.

Oddly enough - that's not a comparatively long time. But humans have muttled the ecosystems of the planet to near destruction so many times, it cannot be counted.

This bit with algae eating catfish is a fairly minor event.
 
2012-04-22 03:52:45 PM
I once got a deal on a juvenile Bengal Tiger but it started to get too big, I released it in the Glades.

I figured, what's the worse that can happen?
 
2012-04-22 03:53:08 PM

durbnpoisn: Evidently, according to TFA, they can be really destructive with their nesting habits. That's really the only problem. Sounds like a lot of overreacting to me...


If anything, they need to be a LOT more worried about the Snakehead problems. I saw quite a few dead ones here about two years ago after the summer rains tricked them out into the St. Johns at low tide, and when the high tide came back in, the salt killed them before they could get back upstream. If we have snakeheads in the St. Johns tributaries, it's only a matter of time before every river in FL is over-run :(

/Damn Vietnamese idiots, bringing over their live food!
 
2012-04-22 03:53:42 PM
Gators, pythons, bugs, horrid heat / humidity, lizards, nut cases enough to get it's own tag, old people, hurricanes, and drugs.
Welcome to Florida
 
2012-04-22 03:54:29 PM

namatad: PacManDreaming: Better a plague of armored catfish than a plague of Dunkleosteus.

these are so awesome

Richard Saunders: whyRpeoplesostupid: That looks like the plecostomus from my aquarium

Same-same and that's where they came from. Well, maybe not your aquarium, but...

/don't dump unwanted fish in the canals thankyouverymuch

so basically the people who used these to keep the pools clean in empty houses then just dumped the fish when they were done?
LOLOLOL talk about poetic justice


Actually, it is more likely some escaped from a fish farm due to storm damage or flooding. Fish farming for the aquarium trade is, or used to be, a big business in Florida. One tank of fry alone could be the source, never mind a half acre pond. Lots of fish in Florida are introduced that way.

In fact, a popular game fish down there is known as the Oscar in the aquarium trade. Originally from South America, it has a reputation as a good fighter when caught on a hook.
 
2012-04-22 03:54:39 PM
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Wanted for questioning
 
2012-04-22 03:55:56 PM

TravisBickle62: I once got a deal on a juvenile Bengal Tiger but it started to get too big, I released it in the Glades.

I figured, what's the worse that can happen?


It could cross-breed with Panthers, and create the dreaded Bengal Pantera Floridensis, who can then only be defeated by a Blue-Eyes White Dragon and a Gorilla Dog...
 
2012-04-22 03:56:06 PM
So no rules against over fishing then?
 
2012-04-22 04:01:48 PM

tomWright: In fact, a popular game fish down there is known as the Oscar in the aquarium trade. Originally from South America, it has a reputation as a good fighter when caught on a hook.


I have personally seen S. Am Rainbow Bass in Salt Springs, along with the sadly afore-mentioned plecos. What I can't figure out is how the hell they got here, since that isn't exactly a fish farm or aquarium trade special. Oscars get dumped all the time just because they also get too damned big, which is a tragedy, because Oscars are awesome pets, but you *really* need a minimum 75 gallon tank for them to live well.

Another one I see quite often in the wild that does not belong: Silver Dollars, and their other Pacu relatives. We had a tribe of them in a retention pond where I used to work, and they ran off all the other big bass, catfish, and bream when we'd start to feed them bread or whatever. Friggin' monsters! Size of a turkey platter or better. I remember about 20 years ago when there was a "Piranha panic" when a Pacu got caught in the Pottsburg Creek, a fish that surely would not survive a typical North FL winter.
 
2012-04-22 04:05:29 PM

All_Farked_Up: So no rules against over fishing then?


Hard to catch. Spearing is about the only thing you can do, unless you get lucky with a net, or can get a permit to run electric current or poison through the water. They're vegetarians, like the other invasive monster: the Tilapia. Don't get me wrong, a well-cleaned Tilapia is good eating, but when they go to nest, they run off native bass. I have watched them take over the shallower springs over the past three decades, like clockwork every winter - springtime. The real catch: spearguns are totally illegal in freshwater, so despite there being no bag limit on tilapia, you have to be a genius at netting, gigging, spearing/bow hunting to catch the little veggie-eating bastards.
 
2012-04-22 04:17:26 PM

thespindrifter: Salt Springs


Yeah, it doesn't take much to start a colony so it could be from aquarium owners releasing a single fish here and there, that happen to meet up.

But considering how interconnected all the water in Florida is, (I am sure you know better than me), fish could migrate from one area to another a hundred miles away. A colony might only form where they find a lack or predators in addition to food and the correct habitat. Some fish can be very picky about where they breed and lay eggs. others not so much.
 
2012-04-22 04:19:15 PM
I caught a Tilapia on a fly rod once, certain time of year they school up in the ponds and I just dragged a little bug across the school until one of them got angry at it and bit.

/you can catch small alligators on a plug the same way, critters just don't like having lures dragged over their heads
 
2012-04-22 04:20:46 PM
Well, they could always throw a couple of Snakeheads in there. That'll get rid of them catfish.

/kidding.
 
2012-04-22 04:21:31 PM

mongbiohazard: BumpInTheNight: Yup, them there are pleccos, here's one of mine when he was quite young:
[img14.imageshack.us image 604x453]

Different fish, but similar. Compare the eyes of the pleco to the eyes of the fish in TFA and you'll spot the difference. They probably come from the same ecosystem since plecos are south american.


Pterygoplichthys
Hypostomus

Hypostominae

so yah, they arent really sure where to draw the tree branches
certainly they are all part of the same sub-family and we can bet tons of money they came from someones tank or swimming pool
farktards
 
2012-04-22 04:28:19 PM

killiemary: Well, they could always throw a couple of Snakeheads in there. That'll get rid of them catfish.

/kidding.


bwahahahahahahahaahaha
and some pythons to eat the snakeheads ??
 
2012-04-22 04:43:37 PM

namatad: PacManDreaming: Better a plague of armored catfish than a plague of Dunkleosteus.

these are so awesome

Richard Saunders: whyRpeoplesostupid: That looks like the plecostomus from my aquarium

Same-same and that's where they came from. Well, maybe not your aquarium, but...

/don't dump unwanted fish in the canals thankyouverymuch

so basically the people who used these to keep the pools clean in empty houses then just dumped the fish when they were done?
LOLOLOL talk about poetic justice


......

......... WHAT AN AWESOME IDEA!

/looks like I'm goin' net fishing this weekend, and spend the summer bein lazy and swimming with my catfish.
//Kidding... mostly. Neighbors trees are over our pool, and said trees are on power lines... city says power company is responsible, power company says we are responsible... tree companies won't do it for a sane price. Our pool is clean maybe a week out of a year no matter how much we dump chemicals and try to keep on top of leaves. I'm actually kinda surprised we haven't been invaded by walking catfish or something.
///White people problems
 
2012-04-22 04:48:13 PM

safeforwork: /looks like I'm goin' net fishing this weekend, and spend the summer bein lazy and swimming with my catfish.
//Kidding... mostly. Neighbors trees are over our pool, and said trees are on power lines... city says power company is responsible, power company says we are responsible... tree companies won't do it for a sane price. Our pool is clean maybe a week out of a year no matter how much we dump chemicals and try to keep on top of leaves. I'm actually kinda surprised we haven't been invaded by walking catfish or something.
///White people problems


burn their house down, spread their ashes over the earth
 
2012-04-22 04:50:12 PM

safeforwork:
......

......... WHAT AN AWESOME IDEA!

/looks like I'm goin' net fishing this weekend, and spend the summer bein lazy and swimming with my catfish.
//Kidding... mostly. Neighbors trees are over our pool, and said trees are on power lines... city says power company is responsible, power company says we are responsible... tree companies won't do it for a sane price. Our pool is clean maybe a week out of a year no matter how much we dump chemicals and try to keep on top of leaves. I'm actually kinda surprised we haven't been invaded by walking catfish or something.
///White people problems


If I lived in a warm enough climate that they wouldn't die over the winter I'd be totally into trying a pleco-maintained pool. Really the only thing they do is suck on stuff and poop. Just can't combine them with chemicals, they don't much care for chemicals.
 
2012-04-22 05:01:58 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x270]

Wanted for questioning


Look for him to sashay across the sargassum.
 
2012-04-22 05:10:58 PM

TravisBickle62: I caught a Tilapia on a fly rod once, certain time of year they school up in the ponds and I just dragged a little bug across the school until one of them got angry at it and bit.

/you can catch small alligators on a plug the same way, critters just don't like having lures dragged over their heads


Is wild-caught tilapia any better than restaurant quality? I've always hated any tilapia I've had at restaurants... but I grew on mullet and snook so I may just not have a taste for it.
 
2012-04-22 05:18:06 PM
This whole thread and not a single recipe

I don't remember all of the details, but they are ok eating if you roast them whole and then crack open the armored exterior
 
2012-04-22 05:56:31 PM

whyRpeoplesostupid: [i196.photobucket.com image 640x326]

That looks like the plecostomus from my aquarium

[i196.photobucket.com image 640x302]


I thought the exact same thing. Those suckers (literally) would get so big I'd have to give them away to someone with a larger tank and start over. No armor that I can recall though.
 
2012-04-22 05:57:20 PM
I was about to start cheering, until I realized it said "armored" & not "armed"...

/Dr. Z already tried this. No go.
 
2012-04-22 06:05:26 PM

RogermcAllen: This whole thread and not a single recipe

I don't remember all of the details, but they are ok eating if you roast them whole and then crack open the armored exterior


Yeah, they're popular in the Caribbean. I was visiting relatives in Florida and the bought a bunch of them for dirt cheap from the ethnic store. I soon realized why they were so dirt cheap when they needed tin snips to clean/cut them open and take off their spikes, before they stewed them in coconut milk and curry sauce.

Maybe they could net and grind them up for fertilizer?
 
2012-04-22 06:29:30 PM

thespindrifter: TravisBickle62: I once got a deal on a juvenile Bengal Tiger but it started to get too big, I released it in the Glades.

I figured, what's the worse that can happen?

It could cross-breed with Panthers, and create the dreaded Bengal Pantera Floridensis, who can then only be defeated by a Blue-Eyes White Dragon and a Gorilla Dog...


You forgot man-bear-pig.
 
2012-04-22 06:35:54 PM

The English Major: Keizer_Ghidorah: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 400x270]

Wanted for questioning

Look for him to sashay across the sargassum.


While planning revenge on his friends.
 
2012-04-22 06:38:33 PM

thespindrifter: durbnpoisn: Evidently, according to TFA, they can be really destructive with their nesting habits. That's really the only problem. Sounds like a lot of overreacting to me...

If anything, they need to be a LOT more worried about the Snakehead problems. I saw quite a few dead ones here about two years ago after the summer rains tricked them out into the St. Johns at low tide, and when the high tide came back in, the salt killed them before they could get back upstream. If we have snakeheads in the St. Johns tributaries, it's only a matter of time before every river in FL is over-run :(

/Damn Vietnamese idiots, bringing over their live food!



That's two sides of the exact same discussion. Although, snakeheads are a MUCH worse problem. Those things eat anything they can fit in their mouth, they grow fast, and can live through some pretty harsh conditions. In other words, they can out-compete all the indigenous animals in a few short decades.

If it's any comfort though... Mother Nature had her own way of coping with this sort of thing. Snakeheads come in. Kill everything. Then starve to death for lack of things to prey on. Then, the indigenous animals will return. At least... That's the way it normally works...
 
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