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(Boston.com)   Town that spent $1 million last year to switch to multispace parking meters will spend $100,000 this year to switch back to traditional meters   (boston.com) divider line 106
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2012-04-22 09:17:01 AM
They can't figure out how to use a pay and display machine? Holy f*ckballs. We have an ANCIENT median age here and these morans figured out how to use it, along with our millions of visitors.

Maybe you should just invest that money in euthanasia machines to cull your population?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-22 09:21:03 AM
NewportBarGuy

Massachusetts may have an assisted suicide question on the ballot in November. I'll vote for death.
 
2012-04-22 09:38:48 AM
Why is the "display" necessary? Our local RR station parking lot has pay stations where you key in your spot number, pay, and continue on your way, (not return to the car to display the tag/receipt/whatever).
 
2012-04-22 10:12:36 AM

ZAZ: NewportBarGuy

Massachusetts may have an assisted suicide question on the ballot in November. I'll vote for death.


So, you're not a cake fan then...
 
2012-04-22 10:16:12 AM

jchic: So, you're not a cake fan then...


THEY'RE ALL OUT OF CAKE!

They do have Portuguese sweetbread though.
 
2012-04-22 10:22:23 AM

NewportBarGuy: They can't figure out how to use a pay and display machine? Holy f*ckballs. We have an ANCIENT median age here and these morans figured out how to use it, along with our millions of visitors.

Maybe you should just invest that money in euthanasia machines to cull your population?


I've had to wait in line for upwards of five minutes just to pay for a parking spot with these shiatty machines. The thing locked up solid, then rebooted several times while people just stood there, unable to pay for their spots. This has happened numerous times since they were installed in a few areas in town as a test. They're getting removed in a few weeks, well before the official end of the trial period.

Fark that, those things are terrible.
 
2012-04-22 10:29:11 AM

John Paul Jones: Fark that, those things are terrible.


I'm not even trying to disagree. I'm not a fan. I have a town sticker, so I just park wherever I can find a free spot. It just seems like such a waste of cash for this town to have already sunk to pay more to switch back.

Glad you are able to get out of the trial period. Hope it didn't cost too much.

We just added credit card readers to our meters. So, you can charge your parking, while you charge your batteries at many of our fine establishments.

The only Pay and Display machines we have cover about 50 or so parking spaces. Everything else is a meter or a lot with an attendant.
 
2012-04-22 11:14:39 AM
The closest city to where I live pulled this exact same trick.
 
2012-04-22 11:15:22 AM
It's not about convenience or complaints. It's about money. Who got money putting in the multi-space machines, who gets money taking out the old new machines and putting in new old machines. It's about parkling revenue falling....


/why do I need to state the obvious?
 
2012-04-22 11:16:02 AM
Seattle has bs meters that frequently won't take paper money, only coins and credit cards. The sticker must be placed on the inside of the passenger window. It is a headache to try and dispute one of those tickets. blah and blah.
 
2012-04-22 11:18:07 AM
If you town is too chep to install reliable central meters instead of buggy ones from a 3rd-tier vendor and/or your populace is too stupid to understand how they work, then you don't get to join the modern world. Just kill yourself and make room for those who have the ability to move forward.

How are those demon telephones working out for you?
 
2012-04-22 11:18:18 AM
fta "People were just crazy," Lebow said of the frustration motorists felt from using the parking meters.

You should have been there when they tried to order a large orange drink at the drive-through.
 
2012-04-22 11:18:31 AM
kestas.kuliukas.com

"Multispace!"
 
2012-04-22 11:19:54 AM
If there's a hardware problem, as NewportBarGuy states, then maybe the manufacturer should figure out the problem.

However, I've used these things in parking lots in Houston and in certain parts of Philadelphia. In fact, the entire area encompassing my university switched to these types of meters and holy christ, I wish they had done this while I was at school. With no defined space anymore (as long as there is a meter on your side of the street [hell the meter even tells you what area it covers] you can park. As such, it has created much more parking "spots" and helped relieve some of the parking pressure caused by the University purchasing some properties, closing streets, and constructing new buildings.

If they went back to single space, there'd be a riot.
 
2012-04-22 11:20:50 AM

TheHighlandHowler: Why is the "display" necessary? Our local RR station parking lot has pay stations where you key in your spot number, pay, and continue on your way, (not return to the car to display the tag/receipt/whatever).



And weight sensors in the pavement to tell when the space is still occupied! No attendants. The machine sends the parking violation in the mail and it's alll gravy.(c)opyright 2012 Rich Cream (send royalties)
 
2012-04-22 11:21:50 AM
I work in Brookline, so I'm getting a kick out of this article.

/never dealt with the meters and had no idea this system was in place
 
2012-04-22 11:22:09 AM
Idiots. And I mean the people who are too stupid to pull a parking ticket. Also the meter maids who are too stupid "enforce" under this system.
 
2012-04-22 11:23:50 AM
FTFA: they jack these meters up to $22 for Red Sox games. I can't imagine paying $22 at a parking meter, for any event.

But then again I'm an Indians fan, which means we're so in need of fan support that ownership will probably start paying you for the privilege of valet parking your 1995 Chevy Beretta next year.
 
2012-04-22 11:24:29 AM
One of the things that bugs me with the multispace parking is how much the city skims off 'overlapped' parking.

In a traditional meter, when you run down to 10 minutes or so, and toss in another dollar for an hour, you end up with 1 hour 10 minutes.

With a receipt based system, you lose those 10 minutes.

It's especially farking annoying when you have to swipe your card 5 times to get it to register, wait 15s for it to 'authorize' then hit the button 9 times to get 9 hours on the space, but the machine bugs and starts printing the receipt at 5 hours. You then have to wait for another 15s authorization phase and end up with a 5 hour receipt.

You can't just buy another 4 hours, you have to then plan to leave work sometime before 5 hours, lose whatever overlap time you had, and get another receipt.

I hate those things. More so now that they replaced the 12 hour meters with 2 hour meters that are 50% more expensive.
 
2012-04-22 11:25:21 AM
But Kleckner said the town also saw a significant drop in revenue from parking tickets, in part because the multispace meters make it more difficult for enforcement officers to do their jobs.

50% of my favorite dreams involve choking a meter maid to death, so bravo, Brookline.

/"enforcement officers"?
//really?
 
2012-04-22 11:26:06 AM
Philadelphia has those new meters all over the city. I've used them 4 times so far, and every time it wouldn't take any of my $1 bills. One day I had at least a dozen 1's, some of them old but most of them new and a few that were brand new crispy and in sequence. The machine wouldn't accept any of them. I end up using my credit card to charge the $2 parking fee. I laugh cause I know the credit card company takes a percentage of the sale, so it gives the city less than if their machines would just accept my damn bills.
 
2012-04-22 11:26:17 AM

Rich Cream: It's not about convenience or complaints. It's about money. Who got money putting in the multi-space machines, who gets money taking out the old new machines and putting in new old machines. It's about parkling revenue falling....


/why do I need to state the obvious?


That was my first thought. Kleckner seems to have a vested interest in all of this.
 
2012-04-22 11:27:12 AM
Just like how self-service check-outs are going to go away.
 
2012-04-22 11:27:43 AM
I bet the real reason is that someone just now is realizing that they'll need fewer meter maids -- meter maids are one of the last bastions of patronage jobs because the work requires no level of educational attainment beyond high school and previous job experience.
 
2012-04-22 11:27:46 AM

NewportBarGuy: They can't figure out how to use a pay and display machine? Holy f*ckballs. We have an ANCIENT median age here and these morans figured out how to use it, along with our millions of visitors.

Maybe you should just invest that money in euthanasia machines to cull your population?


What's the best IPO name for a company manufacturing said machine?

Age of Enlightenment
Good Death
Without Suffering
 
2012-04-22 11:29:26 AM
They have these all over in Philly right now. Other than being reluctant to take somewhat crumpled cash, they work fine. No crashing or anything and pretty easy to figure out. It'd be nice if you could like tie your credit card to your license plate so you don't even have to put the slip in your window, but otherwise no issues.
 
2012-04-22 11:30:13 AM

Farking Brookline, MA, the second People's Republic in Massachusetts, right behind Cambridge. In Brookline there's no overnight street parking allowed, you have to go to city lot to park if you don't have your own garage or whatever. And as some have stated the multi meter issue probably has more to do with a revenue drop. Cambridge has had no issues with these multi space meters.


And Brookline is one of those well to do communities, so even though governments shouldn't be throwing away money on things, it's not like Brookline is hard up for cash like Chelsea, MA. The town will just revert back to the old meter and the old rich residents of Brookline will be happy again. Brookline is a nice place but sometimes is full of itself.

 
2012-04-22 11:31:31 AM

Rich Cream: It's not about convenience or complaints. It's about money. Who got money putting in the multi-space machines, who gets money taking out the old new machines and putting in new old machines. It's about parkling revenue falling....


/why do I need to state the obvious?


Because you came in here before I did.
 
2012-04-22 11:31:54 AM
Parking meter manufacturing company seen laughing all the way to the bank.
 
2012-04-22 11:32:19 AM

Marshall Willenholly: Philadelphia has those new meters all over the city. I've used them 4 times so far, and every time it wouldn't take any of my $1 bills. One day I had at least a dozen 1's, some of them old but most of them new and a few that were brand new crispy and in sequence. The machine wouldn't accept any of them. I end up using my credit card to charge the $2 parking fee. I laugh cause I know the credit card company takes a percentage of the sale, so it gives the city less than if their machines would just accept my damn bills.


Really? Just yesterday, I was thinking about what a good job those machines do of accepting my horrible, beat-to-crap bills. I fed one on Market St a few that a stripper would turn down.
 
2012-04-22 11:32:23 AM

thornhill: meter maids are one of the last bastions of patronage jobs because the work requires no level of educational attainment beyond high school


Why the hell do you need a high school education to be a meter maid?
 
2012-04-22 11:32:35 AM
The ones in Baltimore aren't bad, but then again I've only used them like 4 times. You don't have to use coins is the biggest perk. Fishing around for quarters, or just plain old braving the ticket when you didn't plan on parking is a biatch.
 
2012-04-22 11:32:37 AM

NewportBarGuy: They can't figure out how to use a pay and display machine? Holy f*ckballs. We have an ANCIENT median age here and these morans figured out how to use it, along with our millions of visitors.

Maybe you should just invest that money in euthanasia machines to cull your population?


It's not that they can't figure it out. It's that it's a huge pain in the ass. I've used one of those systems once. After that, I made sure to avoid the area that uses them. Park. Trek to the machine. Wait in line. Buy a ticket. Trek back to the car. Then finally go do your thing, often walking past the ticket machine again. Parking meters are bad enough but making me work for it? Screw that shiat.
 
2012-04-22 11:32:37 AM

Lost_in_Oregon


NewportBarGuy: They can't figure out how to use a pay and display machine? Holy f*ckballs. We have an ANCIENT median age here and these morans figured out how to use it, along with our millions of visitors.

Maybe you should just invest that money in euthanasia machines to cull your population?

What's the best IPO name for a company manufacturing said machine?


Selficide?

iMDead?

Go on a Die-et?

Kevorkinators?

Phil?
 
2012-04-22 11:33:44 AM
I originally hated those things but now prefer them. Who has enough change floating around all the time for the old meters? The new ones take bills and cards.
 
2012-04-22 11:34:50 AM

Dougie AXP: With no defined space anymore (as long as there is a meter on your side of the street [hell the meter even tells you what area it covers] you can park. As such, it has created much more parking "spots" and helped relieve some of the parking pressure caused by the University purchasing some properties, closing streets, and constructing new buildings.


So this.

All it takes is one dumbass driver not to properly park in a space to cause a cascade effect, creating open spaces without meters on a metered street.

Further, I'm seeing more and more Smart Cars in big cities; they're just going to further exasperate this problem.
 
2012-04-22 11:36:56 AM
New York and Philly both have multispace meters everywhere. They're great. They take both cash and credit cards. The farthest you have to walk to one is about 20 to 30 feet. Jesus, suck it up, Boston.
 
2012-04-22 11:37:01 AM

Tanishh: They have these all over in Philly right now. Other than being reluctant to take somewhat crumpled cash, they work fine. No crashing or anything and pretty easy to figure out. It'd be nice if you could like tie your credit card to your license plate so you don't even have to put the slip in your window, but otherwise no issues.


Interesting. Every Chicagoan I know hates the process. The meters only accept credit cards and coins, and waiting outside in a line during a Chicago winter is one of the least pleasant things in the world.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-22 11:37:03 AM
You can't just buy another 4 hours, you have to then plan to leave work sometime before 5 hours, lose whatever overlap time you had, and get another receipt.

There are street parking systems without time limits where you pay for only the time you spend parked. One I read about uses electronic displays visible from outside the car. You program your display to say "parked in zone 13", leave it on the dash or hang it from the mirror, and go do your business. While it displays the "legally parked" indication it subtracts money from a smart card. When you come back you turn it off.

One could also design a pay-and-display station that let you insert an unexpired ticket for a partial refund.
 
2012-04-22 11:37:32 AM

thornhill


Further, I'm seeing more and more Smart Cars in big cities; they're just going to further exasperate this problem.


*boggle*


exacerbate
 
2012-04-22 11:41:34 AM

kim jong-un: One of the things that bugs me with the multispace parking is how much the city skims off 'overlapped' parking.

In a traditional meter, when you run down to 10 minutes or so, and toss in another dollar for an hour, you end up with 1 hour 10 minutes.

With a receipt based system, you lose those 10 minutes.

It's especially farking annoying when you have to swipe your card 5 times to get it to register, wait 15s for it to 'authorize' then hit the button 9 times to get 9 hours on the space, but the machine bugs and starts printing the receipt at 5 hours. You then have to wait for another 15s authorization phase and end up with a 5 hour receipt.

You can't just buy another 4 hours, you have to then plan to leave work sometime before 5 hours, lose whatever overlap time you had, and get another receipt.

I hate those things. More so now that they replaced the 12 hour meters with 2 hour meters that are 50% more expensive.


At the same time you've been paying more in taxes and parking fees to pay for the cost of having a meter at every single parking spot, especially when they're sticking a credit card reader into each one.
 
2012-04-22 11:43:32 AM

NewportBarGuy: They can't figure out how to use a pay and display machine? Holy f*ckballs. We have an ANCIENT median age here and these morans figured out how to use it, along with our millions of visitors.

Maybe you should just invest that money in euthanasia machines to cull your population?



Weather is a large part of the equation. Sometimes these things can be up to a quarter mile away in my city, and when there's a bad thunderstorm or snowstorm out, the last thing you want to do is walk a half mile in this shiat. Just one more reason to stay home, really.

/But whatever, I guess killing people is a more reasonable approach to this issue.
//sheesh.
 
2012-04-22 11:45:19 AM
I studied these for a project in business school, they make a lot of sense for the city but there are newer toll pass like systems that will replace these eventually. Then you'll never get away without a ticket.
 
2012-04-22 11:48:02 AM
Calgary moved to these a few years ago, except we pay by mobile phone. No paying for extra time, and the meter maid is just a "google street view" like car that records every plate as it drives down a street. It sounds like Brookline just set it up poorly.
 
2012-04-22 11:50:21 AM

Tanishh: They have these all over in Philly right now. Other than being reluctant to take somewhat crumpled cash, they work fine. No crashing or anything and pretty easy to figure out. It'd be nice if you could like tie your credit card to your license plate so you don't even have to put the slip in your window, but otherwise no issues.


Yours take cash? Here in Austin, the geniuses bought machines that take credit cards and coins. Oh, and it's a three hour maximum here. "Come patronize our beloved local downtown businesses," the city council says. "Oh, but no more than a few at one go."
 
2012-04-22 11:53:00 AM
They're nice for the town but in a region that regularly gets 35 inches of rain, where the meter (for want of a better term) isn't under a roof, and if you for some reason happen to be in a rush (aka The Northeast) and where parking lot maintenance can be problematic, they pretty much suck.

Dont forget that your trying to read 10pt type on a defaced plaque in the rain/driving snowstorm in a hurry. Oh and the wind is blowing so now you're chasing the $8 ticket across the parking lot.
And your suit is now covered with snow because the plow driver packed the area in a snowbank 4' high and you have leather soled shoes and slipped clambering over the snowbank. NOW you're looking good for that interview that your entire future and ability to feed yourself depends on.


Other than that they're fine
 
2012-04-22 11:53:22 AM
My favorite Multispace meter story is when last year we pulled up to park, and someone had stolen the machine. So there was literally no way to pay for parking, and nowhere else to park.

So we parked anyway. When we got out of the restaurant, every car on the street was ticketed. The city insisted that it be paid, however, as they claimed that the lack of a method of paying does not excuse the fact that we didn't pay.

It was at that point when we all decided that it just wasn't worth it to go eat downtown anymore. So, good job, city.

/From a city that always complains that no one goes downtown for anything anymore.
 
2012-04-22 11:59:02 AM

MithrandirBooga: /But whatever, I guess killing people is a more reasonable approach to this issue.


Fine, they can all have a pretty flower.
 
2012-04-22 12:01:06 PM
Don't mess with the retardation of Boston liberal elites.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-04-22 12:06:41 PM
The city insisted that it be paid, however, as they claimed that the lack of a method of paying does not excuse the fact that we didn't pay.

That may be a fraud prevention measure. With old style meters people would jam slots and then say the meter was broke so they should park free. A rule saying you may only park at a working meter reduces the incentive to steal or break meters.

Or it could be mindless obedience to the rules. A town near me painted a parking space blocking the pedestrian entrance to the town lot and blocked the marked pedestrian path with a Jersey barrier. They also ticketed people who did the right thing and blocked the marked path (not really usable by pedestrians) to leave space for people to use the real path (marked as a parking space).
 
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