Time to upgrade from federal republic to proxy representative democracy.

Subby has weakened my faith in our public schools.

Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.

I like how the guy got utterly farked by Mitch Daniels and the bank, yet blames Obama instead who is the only one in that list of problems who tried to help him.

Weaver95: GAT_00: I like how the guy got utterly farked by Mitch Daniels and the bank, yet blames Obama instead who is the only one in that list of problems who tried to help him.

Because SOCALISMS OMG SO MANY SOCALISMS...that's why.

Which is strange, because I'm not aware of anything positive Mitch Daniels has ever done. All of his so-called economic genius is bullshiat handwaving. A stopgap by selling of a turnpike, which will cause all kinds of long term problems in that state. The private company has already doubled the tolls since they bought it. You ought to like him though. Handwaving, massive budget cuts, hurting the people who can afford it least...it's classic GOP economic policy. Small government, reduced oversight, all of it. All it's done is hurt people.

Weaver95: casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.

when you look at how wall street and our financial institutions have behaved...there's just no way to defend them. NOTHING they've done is good for their customers, or the economy as a whole. they've broken too many laws to list and none of the CEOs or fiscal people involved will ever see the inside of a jail cell. Not to mention that when they bother explaining their actions, they use a weak and shallow justification defense along the lines of 'hey, i'm a capitalist get over it', and then expect that to shut down all discussion on the subject.

And yet...people I know, people that are on my facebook friends list...people who live lives that the GOP moralists and business people literally hate...those people vote straight ticket Republican. seriously - how can you vote for a political party when these candidates get up on stage and say they hate you?

I almost feel like we could start our own party. What's the odds on culling the fiscals from the GOP and the socials frrom the left? Oh, I know, zero -_-

Weaver95: balance in all things. balance in government, balance between business interests, balance between state/government power, balance between individual rights and interests of social order. that simple enough for you to understand or should I dumb it down further for you?

Define balance. Because I view balance as heavy regulation, the only way they can be held in place. We do not have balance now, we have corporations riding roughshod over us. How is that not going to be worse with a smaller government?

unlikely: casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.

I spent much of my early Fark time defending the GOP and I've actually lost real-world friends for washing my hands of it.
I went to the republican caucus here to see if my old standby, "The local level is not crazy, it's just the people who have to dance for Fox" was still true. It isn't; the locals are nuts now too.

I joined fark in 1999, and I remember unlikely and especially Weaver, fighting to keep the faith. The fact that I was able to watch you slowly walk away gives me hope.

Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.

GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.

What are those? I think his ideas are not only spot on, but 100% needed for the US to survive.

adamgreeney: GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.

What are those? I think his ideas are not only spot on, but 100% needed for the US to survive.

He's also said he would toss the EPA and has said that any created jobs are worth any degree of environmental damage. That and his whole thing is hopelessly naive. You have to strap these things down, you can't give corporations any leeway, because they are inherently immoral. They have to be blocked and carefully controlled because they are the most harmful part of our system. I will never trust a corporation and I find it foolish for anyone to do the same. As I cannot trust them, I cannot in good conscience let them have a free reign.

Weaver95: getting rid of soft money completely is a pretty damn good start towards fixing a very big problem with how this country is run.

Which will never work. They'll find a way. You can't just ban soft money, you have to ban hard money and anything except publicly funded elections with set spending limits. That's the only way it would ever work.

GAT_00: adamgreeney: GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.

What are those? I think his ideas are not only spot on, but 100% needed for the US to survive.

He's also said he would toss the EPA and has said that any created jobs are worth any degree of environmental damage. That and his whole thing is hopelessly naive. You have to strap these things down, you can't give corporations any leeway, because they are inherently immoral. They have to be blocked and carefully controlled because they are the most harmful part of our system. I will never trust a corporation and I find it foolish for anyone to do the same. As I cannot trust them, I cannot in good conscience let them have a free reign.

Ok, the EPA thing is nuts, but what "whole thing" is naieve?

Before we can make or enforce meaningful regulations (which 99% of the time I agree with you about), we need money out of politics. You cant tell me that we can do anything you want until corporations can't buy their way into what they want.

adamgreeney: You cant tell me that we can do anything you want until corporations can't buy their way into what they want.

Because I don't believe an official ban on soft money will do anything. They'll find another way unless you officially ban everything. They'll find a new loophole to give money. Unless you completely ban all money in politics, to where no corporation, no religion, nobody besides the official party and candidate can run ads and that's all off of a set bundle of money that is the same for everyone, nothing will change. And then when that happens, I'm sure there will suddenly have other parties appear out of nowhere and back the candidates. So a candidate or party can only back their own candidate.

Why does everyone think just banning soft money will fix everything?

fta: Four years later, McShurley has little regret. "Why wasn't I more honest with voters?" she asks. It's a rhetorical question: "They didn't want to hear it." Voters may have lost faith in their leaders, but the leaders, too, have lost faith in the people. McShurley didn't trust voters to accept the truth in 2007, so she danced around it. It's no wonder that just 19 percent of the voting-eligible public cast ballots in last year's mayoral race. And it's a national problem: After a 50-year decline, just 14 percent of respondents in a 2011 Gallup Poll said that the federal government could be trusted "a great deal." It's a vicious cycle. Voters don't like hard truths; so politicians spin us; so we don't trust politicians; so politicians pander and lie to us.

Good, albeit depressing, read.

Well you know, you better free your mind instead.

Tree of Liberty, etc etc etc....nah, thats too much work. I could be watching TV instead.

Well that was a long depressing read.

The problem is, no one knows when to leave well enough alone. When unions had the upper hand they pushed their advantage until they actually made companies uncompetitive and buried municipalities under mountains of entitlements and unnecessary debt. When management goit the upper hand, they returned the favor in spades. The problem we have right now is that management has won, yet they still continue to act as though they are fighting a desperate rearguard battle against the union. In the old days management would shaft the workers, the workers would go out on strike, management would bring in scabs, the workers break the heads of anyone trying to cross the picket lines, management would hire strikebreakers to break union heads, and so on. Now management shafts the workers and the workers are either too afraid of permanently losing their jobs to fight back or they do strike and management simply shuts down the factories and reopens them in Mexico. So management successfully shafts the workers some more, and then some more, with no repercussions. The reason OWS put such fear into the hearts of plutocrats everywhere was that it looked like the start of a violent response to the excesses of capitalism. It looked like the first tentative steps towards something analogous to the Anarchist movement of the early years of the last century. The prospect of an actual shooting class war put the fear of God into America's captains of industry back in the 1930's and it led to the victory of organized labor: $30/hour assembly line jobs, weeks of paid vacation and generous sick leave, secure retirement. When the local governments decided to shut down the Occupy camps and the Occupyers allowed themselves to be shut down, wealthy douchebags all over the country gave a sigh of relief; they were, after all, dealing with wimps. Had the shutdown attempts been met with riots and molotov cocktails, OWS would have considerably more clout and a frightened ruling class would be more amenable to their demands. The point is, people have to be willing to die... and people have to be willing to kill. The Libyans, Egyptians and Tunisians didn't overthrow their oppressors by wiggling their fingers in the air. So long as the American left clings to a civilized, pacifist attitude, the American right will laugh at them while they continue to disenfranchise, marginialize and intimidate their political enemies into submission. The thing is, the American people still have things pretty sweet, so no one's willing to cross the line into actual economic rebellion. But the right still doesn't know how to leave well enough alone, so in a few years when the majority of Americans have been pushed into third world economic straits and have literally nothing to lose, we will see an actual shooting war.

Best part?

Forever.

Okay fine. So you're losing faith in public institutions. The alternative is?

Notabunny:

We should spend the next 1/3 century defunding those institutions until they're crippled, and simultaneously use a purpose-built media machine to tell everyone how the institutions we crippled are struggling to do their jobs. That's a sure way make those lazy institutions all boot-strappy.

Was coming in to say this.

A) Slash a programs budget.

B) Rant and rave to your constituents about how said program is inefficient and isn't doing its job.

C) Voters agree and start encouraging their leaders to dissolve said program.

D) Next...

all the shirt rending over those crazy rethuglicans!!1! from people who in the same post assert that they are going to vote for or support democrats is rather disheartening. its as though you believe that one party by itself could have so drastically altered the political landscape of this country. the reality is that the donks have been 'triangulating' to the center with meek non-opposition the entire time. from cursing to the depths of hell dick nixon, who got us out of vietnam and seriously used the phrase 'full employment budget', to working your ass off to elect obama, who said that social security is 'on the table' and signed a health 'reform' bill that would've had you torching cars ~20 years ago. and somehow someway you think just one more round of democrats will somehow stop or even slow down this trajectory. as if they are not themselves largely knowing participants in the whole affair.

to paraphrase a fark meme, both* sides are bad, so vote for literally anything else. yes it might mean taking a hard one to the chin this go around, but a bunch of rabbit punches from the donks are hardly preferable. and even if you do keep donks in for a while eventually theyll lose one and you're getting the haymaker anyway. that energy would be better spent constructing a left party that can actually hit back now and again. or participating in a single issue social movement. hell even doing literally nothing would be better than offering your consent in the form of votes to the half of the duopoly whos aesthetics you prefer.

* 'both; is a particularly insidious assertion here. as if the two parties we have represent the entirety of possible political thought. if not shiat sandwich then giant douche. no thanks, fark the lot of you


/i want you to know that in 20 years when we are all in prison camps together i am going to be pissing in you gruel.

Back in the 1990's I had to walk away from a house I had bought. Lost the down payment and the a few years of mortgage payments.

Shiat happens. It was crappy at the time but my wife and I picked up and moved on and things got better for us eventually.

I am tired of these sob stories.

The other thing is true. There is no confidence in Govt organizations.

"Americans have lost control of the government, and governments that are not controlled by the people are not democracies."

As George Orwell said, "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

We have lost our gods," says Laura Hansen, an assistant professor of sociology at Western New England University in Springfield, Mass. "We lost [faith] in the media: Remember Walter Cronkite? We lost it in our culture: You can't point to a movie star who might inspire us, because we know too much about them. We lost it in politics, because we know too much about politicians' lives. We've lost it-that basic sense of trust and confidence-in everything."


I noticed this around 20 years ago; how is this journalist only noticing now?

I have no idea how all of this will play out, but it has been really fun watching it all fall apart.

Obama's FAA is going to institute more user fees that rape independent pilots and businesses.

More failure.

Ned Stark: to paraphrase a fark meme, both* sides are bad, so vote for literally anything else let the greater of two evils win

Fixed that for reality.

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Ned Stark: to paraphrase a fark meme, both* sides are bad, so vote for literally anything else let the greater of two evils win

Fixed that for reality.

if you had read just one more sentence you would have gotten the part where i said pretty much that.

Ned Stark: if you had read just one more sentence you would have gotten the part where i said pretty much that.

Sorry, but I'm a believer in Duvarger's law, so I get a chuckle anytime the 'third party' or 'a pox on both their houses' comes up.

I have faith in our institutions.

Americans are losing faith in the institutions that made this country great.

Maybe if certain jackwagons in the GOP would stop trying to abolish those very institutions that made this country great, from affordable healthcare to even the right to a public education, we might actually have some respect for this country again.

Weaver95: I swear, it's like you LITERALLY cannot understand the color grey....

Thanks Dorian.

Ned Stark: all the shirt rending over those crazy rethuglicans!!1! from people who in the same post assert that they are going to vote for or support democrats is rather disheartening. its as though you believe that one party by itself could have so drastically altered the political landscape of this country. the reality is that the donks have been 'triangulating' to the center with meek non-opposition the entire time. from cursing to the depths of hell dick nixon, who got us out of vietnam and seriously used the phrase 'full employment budget', to working your ass off to elect obama, who said that social security is 'on the table' and signed a health 'reform' bill that would've had you torching cars ~20 years ago. and somehow someway you think just one more round of democrats will somehow stop or even slow down this trajectory. as if they are not themselves largely knowing participants in the whole affair.

to paraphrase a fark meme, both* sides are bad, so vote for literally anything else. yes it might mean taking a hard one to the chin this go around, but a bunch of rabbit punches from the donks are hardly preferable. and even if you do keep donks in for a while eventually theyll lose one and you're getting the haymaker anyway. that energy would be better spent constructing a left party that can actually hit back now and again. or participating in a single issue social movement. hell even doing literally nothing would be better than offering your consent in the form of votes to the half of the duopoly whos aesthetics you prefer.

* 'both; is a particularly insidious assertion here. as if the two parties we have represent the entirety of possible political thought. if not shiat sandwich then giant douche. no thanks, fark the lot of you


/i want you to know that in 20 years when we are all in prison camps together i am going to be pissing in you gruel.

Dude, relax. Don't lose your head over it.

People live in a world they don't understand and are constantly exposed to sound bites and over simplifications.

It's hard to breed confidence in most things when the non-domain expert individual hears everything that's wrong but doesn't have enough background knowledge to fully understand what is happening or how to fix it other than parroting oversimplified plans that are sold to them as "solutions". When those fail to elicit the believed effect, trust is further eroded.

So many magnitudes more of the things about how our world works that were once limited by our communication technology or societal prohibitions are now stored, streamed, and opined over shallowly and endlessly. This discontent is the side effect of the increased transparency, openness, and connectivity our new technology provides us.

Like the author of the piece mentions, lack of trust comes when society shifts (or technology changes), and the effect is cyclical. I believe we'll get past this. Our "new world" created by our communication technology and openness is in its infancy, and we as a society just haven't caught up.

how the hell was this poor bastard paying $635 a month for a $40,000 house?

the only way I can get that payment to generate that high for a 30 years mortgage is by jacking the interest rate up to 17.5%.

I guess what they say is true to some extent, the dim subsidize the cleverer. I almost feel bad for the poor bastard.

20 years from now, people may wonder why we chose to pass on RON PAUL.

DavidVincent: 20 years from now, people may wonder why we chose to pass on RON PAUL....and then realize that it was probably the fact the guy is a neo-confederate who wants to destroy our economy by going back to the Gold Standard even though it didn't seem to work the last time.

FTFY

/RON PAUL!

neoconfederate? sounds like fun. what does that actually mean? he dresses up at those reenactments or something?


mrtraveler: *ron paul is the boogie man! be very afraid!
who am I? well I'm the liberal that has come to save you from yourself and the evil that lurks in the world, sambo!
take cover under my skirt! come with me! all you have to give up is independent thought and personal responsibility!*

Gee, people are losing faith as in government as an explosion of exploitative, trolling political coverage has canvased the internet? Who would have guessed?

Funk Brothers: I still believe in the GOP. To blame the GOP is like blaming them for the destruction of the WTC and that's not right. They are people too just like the African Americans whom fought for their civil rights in the 1960s. The real threat is segregating and boycotting anyone who is a Republican and then completely attacking them for no reason even though they have the freedom of speech in this country. Obama is basically to plot the final solution during his second term on the GOP just like Hitler did with the Jews and it's not going to benefit anyone at all here in the United States.

In the end, we'll get our own state just like the Jews.

Huh?

casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.

For me, washing my hands of the GOP came after three events: 1) quitting drinking, 2) Hurricane Katrina, and 3) taking my medication as prescribed.

When I put the bottle down, I began to realize that few in the GOP really cared about getting government out of my life, they just wanted me to be dumb enough to believe it. In the aftermath of Katrina, I saw both their ineptitude and callousness on display. Taking the meds helped me stay away from them while avoiding other bad decisions.

When I decided that Scott Walker here in Wisconsin was a sack of shiat, I also lost some friends. But I also realized that the GOP wants nothing, absolutely nothing to do with smaller government: the reality is they want a government so big it's in your face 24/7.

I'm not sure I would quite qualify as a liberal, what with supporting gun rights, hating bicyclists but liking gas guzzlers, and hating smoking bans. But one thing I'm sure of is that I cannot support the utter freak show that is the contemporary GOP.

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Funk Brothers: I still believe in the GOP. To blame the GOP is like blaming them for the destruction of the WTC and that's not right. They are people too just like the African Americans whom fought for their civil rights in the 1960s. The real threat is segregating and boycotting anyone who is a Republican and then completely attacking them for no reason even though they have the freedom of speech in this country. Obama is basically to plot the final solution during his second term on the GOP just like Hitler did with the Jews and it's not going to benefit anyone at all here in the United States.

In the end, we'll get our own state just like the Jews.

Huh?

Ya, I know. Can you believe he said that Obama throwing the GOP into concentration camps wouldn't benefit anyone here in the States.

The problem is regulatory capture - that is, the agencies that were intended to regulate corporate activities in the interest of the public, have instead been subverted by the entities these agencies are supposed to be regulating.

The problem is pervasive; the entire government is wholly corrupt. They know it, we know it, the corporate whore media knows it - they pretend everything is fine, maybe they genuinely believe that piling more bullshiat on is going to convince people otherwise.

It isn't.

cmb53208: I'm not sure I would quite qualify as a liberal, what with supporting gun rights,

That's fine.

cmb53208: hating bicyclists

That's silly to say, and you are a retard if you actually hold hatred for something as minor as cyclists.

cmb53208: liking gas guzzlers

Liking them for what? If you need a truck, buy a truck. If you have a small penis and it embarrasses you, buy some counseling. If you just like to drive a fast car, buy a fast car because its fast, not because its a gas guzzler - of course, I drive faster than 90% of the people on the road and I drive a civic. It's fun to pass all the 'tards with mustangs, camaros, etc. Mileage regulations and emissions regulations have been around for a long time, and kickass fast cars still exist.

cmb53208: and hating smoking bans

That's fine.

GilRuiz1: I noticed this around 20 years ago; how is this journalist only noticing now?

I have no idea how all of this will play out, but it has been really fun watching it all fall apart.

What's annoying is living your entire adult life to it. I was born into Reagan, watched as a kid as our government sold arms to fund murderers with no one punished. Then Bush - a poorly prosecuted war. Then Clinton - a wasted presidency. Then 9/11, which had us honestly afraid like no one's been since the 1960's. Then Obama - finally someone bright who wouldn't screw up. So the republicans, the people of Reagan, Bush, Bush II and Newt Gingrich, they came in and screwed it up instead!

T. Dawg: Subby has weakened my faith in our public schools.

So his wife lost her government job and he says he was doing the bank a favor by abandoning his property before it was foreclosed????

If you actually read TFA and dont understand what youre reading, good luck, because youre going to end up like this guy.

Freedom means paying the price when you makes mistakes.

cmb53208: casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.

For me, washing my hands of the GOP came after three events: 1) quitting drinking, 2) Hurricane Katrina, and 3) taking my medication as prescribed.

When I put the bottle down, I began to realize that few in the GOP really cared about getting government out of my life, they just wanted me to be dumb enough to believe it. In the aftermath of Katrina, I saw both their ineptitude and callousness on display. Taking the meds helped me stay away from them while avoiding other bad decisions.

When I decided that Scott Walker here in Wisconsin was a sack of shiat, I also lost some friends. But I also realized that the GOP wants nothing, absolutely nothing to do with smaller government: the reality is they want a government so big it's in your face 24/7.

I'm not sure I would quite qualify as a liberal, what with supporting gun rights, hating bicyclists but liking gas guzzlers, and hating smoking bans. But one thing I'm sure of is that I cannot support the utter freak show that is the contemporary GOP.

concern trolling.

Pretty sick of hardcore liberals coming on here to bash repubs for everything while giving democrats a free pass. Nothing in your posts identifies you as anything but a lifelong socialist.


Reaching back to Katrina is really a stretch.

I'm losin' status at the high school
I used to think that it was my school . . .
BOW WOW WOW WOW!
I was the king of every school activity
But that's no more . . . oh mama!
What will come of me?

The other night we painted posters
They played some records by the Coasters
BOW WOW WOW WOW!
A bunch of pom-pom girls looked down their nose at me.
They had painted tons of posters; I had painted three.
I hear the secret whispers everywhere I go
My school spirit is at an all-time low . . . BLA-A-A-A!

I'm losing status at the high school
I used to think that it was my school . . .
BOW WOW WOW WOW!
Everyone in town knows I'm a hand-some football star
I sing & dance & spray my hair & drive a shiny car
I'm friendly & I'm charming . . . I belong to De Molay
I'm gonna try like mad to get my status back today!
Status back baby
Status back baby
Status back baby
Status back baby
MOI - FZ

saintstryfe: GilRuiz1: I noticed this around 20 years ago; how is this journalist only noticing now?

I have no idea how all of this will play out, but it has been really fun watching it all fall apart.

What's annoying is living your entire adult life to it. I was born into Reagan, watched as a kid as our government sold arms to fund murderers with no one punished. Then Bush - a poorly prosecuted war. Then Clinton - a wasted presidency. Then 9/11, which had us honestly afraid like no one's been since the 1960's. Then Obama - finally someone bright who wouldn't screw up. So the republicans, the people of Reagan, Bush, Bush II and Newt Gingrich, they came in and screwed it up instead!

Bullshiat. Obama had both houses for 2 years and couldn't even pass a budget. He did have time to extend the Patriot Act twice, increase drone killings, increase the government's ability to warrant-less wiretap our phones, indefinitely hold US citizens and now even kill US citizens.

He has done plenty. Just not what you like so you pretend it isn't there. Since Bush I, maybe earlier, every President has worked for the same leaders pushing to squeeze us dry. Obama was selected by this group and you were all given Hope and Change shiat that you willingly swallowed.

Why dont these dickbags take some personal responsibility? I am sick of the whining. They should sell their organs to people who deserve them and feel lucky that real Americans are willing to support their whining freeloading at all.

TV's Vinnie
Maybe if certain jackwagons in the GOP would stop trying to abolish those very institutions that made this country great

Rahm Emanuel is the driving force behind the destruction of Chicago's public school system.

You reap what you sow.

When you vote with your bigotry you deserve what you get. When you believe the lies (trickle down, etc.) you cause this mess.

This mess is entirely our fault. If you invite the thieves into your home you deserved to get robbed.

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: I like how the guy got utterly farked by Mitch Daniels and the bank, yet blames Obama instead who is the only one in that list of problems who tried to help him.

Because SOCALISMS OMG SO MANY SOCALISMS...that's why.

Which is strange, because I'm not aware of anything positive Mitch Daniels has ever done. All of his so-called economic genius is bullshiat handwaving. A stopgap by selling of a turnpike, which will cause all kinds of long term problems in that state. The private company has already doubled the tolls since they bought it. You ought to like him though. Handwaving, massive budget cuts, hurting the people who can afford it least...it's classic GOP economic policy. Small government, reduced oversight, all of it. All it's done is hurt people.

I like how you say you hate it when people make bullshiat assumptions about your philosophies...and then turn around and make bullshiat assumptions about other people. that's just awesome man!

*sigh*

balance in all things. balance in government, balance between business interests, balance between state/government power, balance between individual rights and interests of social order. that simple enough for you to understand or should I dumb it down further for you?

right now, we don't HAVE any sort of balance. we're an authoritarian culture that despises intellectual pursuits and half our government thinks being raped by a corporation is an honor to be aspired too rather than an insult to be avoided. meanwhile, religious idiots are trying to turn as many states into theocratic fiefdoms while corporations shift as many jobs overseas as fast as possible.

But hey, you keep right on thinking that YOU alone have the right idea and that nobody else can ever possibly agree that we've got a problem in this country that needs fixing. Either everyone agrees with you completely or they're the enemy, right?

...Holy shiat. What the fark did GAT ever do to you, Weaver?

Animatronik:

Pretty sick of hardcore liberals coming on here to bash repubs for everything while giving democrats a free pass. Nothing in your posts identifies you as anything but a lifelong socialist.


Reaching back to Katrina is really a stretch.

Katrina a stretch? It was in 2005. And it wasn't just the Repubs who screwed that up, it was Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco who also didn't do their jobs.

In my profile I noted that while all should have access to health care and a basic safety net, no one should be guaranteed prosperity. And in the post you refer to, I stated that I part from liberal orthodoxy on two things: guns, and the fact that I rather like large luxury vehicles (I rather like the Toyota Avalon for some odd reason)

Your post actually shows what's wrong with the contemporary GOP: anyone who doesn't agree with the ENTIRE platform is a socialist, the enemy. I saw this happen with Colin Powell back in the 90's and I should've known something was up.

AirForceVet: gameshowhost: If only a certain political party weren't hellbent on destroying those institutions.

I'm sorry that some of you have lost faith in the Republican Party you all supported originally, like Weaver95. I would prefer another party opposed to the Democrats that helped counter-balance us if we get too carried away with too far left, crazy stuff.

Well, first off, what sort of "far left, crazy stuff" could be crazier than forced violation of women who make a simple choice and a policy that openly says it does nothing to help Americans?

And second, if you want another party, MAKE ONE.

Mr. Whitmire from TFA claims his problems are the cause of his mortgage company and lack of support from his state and federal government and he's angry. I"m sure he is but like so many other people similarly situated he's not willing to look inwardly and accept any responsibility for his situation.

A few examples I can glean from TFA:

1) He bought a $40,000 house without putting any money down telling me that he had no savings when things were apparently going well for him.
2) He apparently had terrible credit at the time he purchased the house given the payment of $620 on a $40,000 mortgage. I say that because even allowing for a $200 monthly escrow payment, leaving his P&I at $420, that backs into an interest rate of about 12.5% at a time when interest rates were about 8%
3) He has no post-secondary education, either academic or trade-related and thus limited his employment options throughout his life and more importantly when he needed it most.
4) He obtained a mortgage modification which could have kept him from losing the house but apparently couldn't make the first 3 reduced payments timely and his lender yanked the trial plan.
5) He didn't take his lawyer's advice and live FOR FREE in the house during the time the foreclosure and bankruptcy were in process, missing a good opportunity to actually save some significant cash when he was not making the loan payments.
6) The house was his until the foreclosure was complete, the $300 bill was his. Had he been living in it and maintaining it the $300 yard bill wouldn't exist.


This can all be reasonably discerned from TFA. In his own words he wants no free lunch yet he's done so little to help himself. What a great republican voter he'll make this fall.

IlGreven: ...Holy shiat. What the fark did GAT ever do to you, Weaver?

Hold him accountable for the times in which he goes straight off the deep end libertarian and remind of those times at later dates when he complains there aren't enough rules applied to corporations?

RanDomino: "I don't believe in a free lunch," Whitmire says. He moved out, leaving the keys on the kitchen table. "I thought the bank should have them."

farkING. IDIOT.

Yeah paying your bills on time for years, and then getting ripped off by the banks. Obviously you staying in your bank for an extra month is trying to get a free lunch.

I also love that the right has convinced themselves that tax payer paid social services and healthcare is just people trying to get a free lunch. If no one's making a profit at your expense it's a free lunch.

jmr61: Mr. Whitmire from TFA claims his problems are the cause of his mortgage company and lack of support from his state and federal government and he's angry. I"m sure he is but like so many other people similarly situated he's not willing to look inwardly and accept any responsibility for his situation.

A few examples I can glean from TFA:

1) He bought a $40,000 house without putting any money down telling me that he had no savings when things were apparently going well for him.
2) He apparently had terrible credit at the time he purchased the house given the payment of $620 on a $40,000 mortgage. I say that because even allowing for a $200 monthly escrow payment, leaving his P&I at $420, that backs into an interest rate of about 12.5% at a time when interest rates were about 8%
3) He has no post-secondary education, either academic or trade-related and thus limited his employment options throughout his life and more importantly when he needed it most.
4) He obtained a mortgage modification which could have kept him from losing the house but apparently couldn't make the first 3 reduced payments timely and his lender yanked the trial plan.
5) He didn't take his lawyer's advice and live FOR FREE in the house during the time the foreclosure and bankruptcy were in process, missing a good opportunity to actually save some significant cash when he was not making the loan payments.
6) The house was his until the foreclosure was complete, the $300 bill was his. Had he been living in it and maintaining it the $300 yard bill wouldn't exist.


This can all be reasonably discerned from TFA. In his own words he wants no free lunch yet he's done so little to help himself. What a great republican voter he'll make this fall.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

All of it.

AirForceVet
Personally, I'm not bothered by drone killings or taking out Americans in foreign countries who are working to make war upon their nation.

If only there was some kind of mechanism for determining if someone had committed a crime and, if so, what their punishment would be.

Obviously you've forgotten how war works.

undeclared war is undeclared