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2012-04-21 07:36:59 PM  
Time to upgrade from federal republic to proxy representative democracy.
 
2012-04-21 07:48:30 PM  
Subby has weakened my faith in our public schools.
 
2012-04-21 07:51:22 PM  
That's what happens when you have bad institutions.
 
2012-04-21 07:57:59 PM  
Institutions that are designed and operated for the exclusive purpose of funneling wealth out of the hands of most people and into the Cayman accounts of just a few?

Institutions that are designed and operated to put caviar on the table at a CEO's daughters debutante ball by forcing families into economic states that make dumpster diving a real consideration?

I can't figure why people would have a problem with trusting those.
 
2012-04-21 07:58:15 PM  
1) their institutions have failed them more noticeably than at any time in at least the last 3 generations, I'd say

2)there's a major political party attacking every single one of them, mercilessly, because it is promoting some kind of "cult of the individual" (ie, = good politics). See, we don't need institutions b/c they impede liberty. Billy Bob can set his own monetary policy just fine, thank you very much, and I'll set my own. Just like the Founders intended.
 
2012-04-21 08:00:19 PM  

DamnYankees: That's what happens when you have bad institutions.


I keep trying to explain to my more Republican friends that the Founding Fathers said (in very clear terms) that corporations and banks were necessary evils. the key bit being 'evils', and that it would be unwise for the country to ever let those necessary evils have a larger say in government than was absolutely necessary.

*sigh*

but no. despite the fact that one of them is a low level government employee who still lives with his remaining parent and the other is an unemployed artist who dabbles in softcore porn to make ends meet (who ALSO still lives with his parents), they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP. In fact, both of them firmly believe that it's a great honor to get screwed over by a corporation. Personally, I don't understand their viewpoint. But that's what they believe - corporations can never do wrong, and Obama is always the bad guy.
 
2012-04-21 08:05:56 PM  

Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP


I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.
 
2012-04-21 08:09:16 PM  

casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.


I spent much of my early Fark time defending the GOP and I've actually lost real-world friends for washing my hands of it.
I went to the republican caucus here to see if my old standby, "The local level is not crazy, it's just the people who have to dance for Fox" was still true. It isn't; the locals are nuts now too.
 
2012-04-21 08:30:24 PM  
I like how the guy got utterly farked by Mitch Daniels and the bank, yet blames Obama instead who is the only one in that list of problems who tried to help him.
 
2012-04-21 08:35:02 PM  

casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.


when you look at how wall street and our financial institutions have behaved...there's just no way to defend them. NOTHING they've done is good for their customers, or the economy as a whole. they've broken too many laws to list and none of the CEOs or fiscal people involved will ever see the inside of a jail cell. Not to mention that when they bother explaining their actions, they use a weak and shallow justification defense along the lines of 'hey, i'm a capitalist get over it', and then expect that to shut down all discussion on the subject.

And yet...people I know, people that are on my facebook friends list...people who live lives that the GOP moralists and business people literally hate...those people vote straight ticket Republican. seriously - how can you vote for a political party when these candidates get up on stage and say they hate you?
 
2012-04-21 08:35:58 PM  

GAT_00: I like how the guy got utterly farked by Mitch Daniels and the bank, yet blames Obama instead who is the only one in that list of problems who tried to help him.


Because SOCALISMS OMG SO MANY SOCALISMS...that's why.
 
2012-04-21 08:43:11 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: I like how the guy got utterly farked by Mitch Daniels and the bank, yet blames Obama instead who is the only one in that list of problems who tried to help him.

Because SOCALISMS OMG SO MANY SOCALISMS...that's why.


Which is strange, because I'm not aware of anything positive Mitch Daniels has ever done. All of his so-called economic genius is bullshiat handwaving. A stopgap by selling of a turnpike, which will cause all kinds of long term problems in that state. The private company has already doubled the tolls since they bought it. You ought to like him though. Handwaving, massive budget cuts, hurting the people who can afford it least...it's classic GOP economic policy. Small government, reduced oversight, all of it. All it's done is hurt people.
 
2012-04-21 08:45:17 PM  

Weaver95: casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.

when you look at how wall street and our financial institutions have behaved...there's just no way to defend them. NOTHING they've done is good for their customers, or the economy as a whole. they've broken too many laws to list and none of the CEOs or fiscal people involved will ever see the inside of a jail cell. Not to mention that when they bother explaining their actions, they use a weak and shallow justification defense along the lines of 'hey, i'm a capitalist get over it', and then expect that to shut down all discussion on the subject.

And yet...people I know, people that are on my facebook friends list...people who live lives that the GOP moralists and business people literally hate...those people vote straight ticket Republican. seriously - how can you vote for a political party when these candidates get up on stage and say they hate you?


I almost feel like we could start our own party. What's the odds on culling the fiscals from the GOP and the socials frrom the left? Oh, I know, zero -_-
 
2012-04-21 08:50:37 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: I like how the guy got utterly farked by Mitch Daniels and the bank, yet blames Obama instead who is the only one in that list of problems who tried to help him.

Because SOCALISMS OMG SO MANY SOCALISMS...that's why.

Which is strange, because I'm not aware of anything positive Mitch Daniels has ever done. All of his so-called economic genius is bullshiat handwaving. A stopgap by selling of a turnpike, which will cause all kinds of long term problems in that state. The private company has already doubled the tolls since they bought it. You ought to like him though. Handwaving, massive budget cuts, hurting the people who can afford it least...it's classic GOP economic policy. Small government, reduced oversight, all of it. All it's done is hurt people.


I like how you say you hate it when people make bullshiat assumptions about your philosophies...and then turn around and make bullshiat assumptions about other people. that's just awesome man!

*sigh*

balance in all things. balance in government, balance between business interests, balance between state/government power, balance between individual rights and interests of social order. that simple enough for you to understand or should I dumb it down further for you?

right now, we don't HAVE any sort of balance. we're an authoritarian culture that despises intellectual pursuits and half our government thinks being raped by a corporation is an honor to be aspired too rather than an insult to be avoided. meanwhile, religious idiots are trying to turn as many states into theocratic fiefdoms while corporations shift as many jobs overseas as fast as possible.

But hey, you keep right on thinking that YOU alone have the right idea and that nobody else can ever possibly agree that we've got a problem in this country that needs fixing. Either everyone agrees with you completely or they're the enemy, right?

no wonder this country is f*cked. right wing/left wing...both sides have the same gotdamn 'all or nothing' attitude.
 
2012-04-21 09:05:43 PM  

Weaver95: balance in all things. balance in government, balance between business interests, balance between state/government power, balance between individual rights and interests of social order. that simple enough for you to understand or should I dumb it down further for you?


Define balance. Because I view balance as heavy regulation, the only way they can be held in place. We do not have balance now, we have corporations riding roughshod over us. How is that not going to be worse with a smaller government?
 
2012-04-21 09:06:04 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: because it is promoting some kind of "cult of the individual" (ie, = good politics)


Doubleplusgood politics.
 
2012-04-21 09:06:22 PM  

unlikely: casual disregard: Weaver95: they both vote straight ticket Republican and look down on me for abandoning the GOP

I tossed the GOP for mostly the same reasons you did. We might be publicly few, but I'd like to think there's still a few sane voters. I dislike leaving the GOP, but I hate what the GOP represents today.

I spent much of my early Fark time defending the GOP and I've actually lost real-world friends for washing my hands of it.
I went to the republican caucus here to see if my old standby, "The local level is not crazy, it's just the people who have to dance for Fox" was still true. It isn't; the locals are nuts now too.


I joined fark in 1999, and I remember unlikely and especially Weaver, fighting to keep the faith. The fact that I was able to watch you slowly walk away gives me hope.
 
2012-04-21 09:17:11 PM  
If only a certain political party weren't hellbent on destroying those institutions.
 
2012-04-21 09:39:22 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: balance in all things. balance in government, balance between business interests, balance between state/government power, balance between individual rights and interests of social order. that simple enough for you to understand or should I dumb it down further for you?

Define balance. Because I view balance as heavy regulation, the only way they can be held in place. We do not have balance now, we have corporations riding roughshod over us. How is that not going to be worse with a smaller government?


taking money out of politics would be an excellent start. all hard money - no exceptions. it all gets capped, it all gets tracked. non-profits, megachurches, corporations, individuals...all it get capped, it all gets tracked. No more soft money. no more hidden donations. that's a good start towards balance.

then I'd start enforcing the rules we've already got on the books. if we went after white collar criminals with the same zeal with which we prosecuted DUI offenders, how long do you think Goldman-Sachs would last? my guess is three months at the outside. then those motherfarkers would roll on each other for a sweet deal and witness protection. the point is that we all know there's more than sufficent evidence to sustain an investigation. we all suspect that more than a few VERY powerful members of the 1% have broken a lot of laws in order to stay up top of that heap of money they masturbate on every night. the problem isn't lack of evidence...it's that nobody in the regulator agencies wants to go after the big boys. we start enforcing the rules already on the books and you'll see things start to change.

those are two things off the top of my head. the point is that none of our problems are impossible to solve. it's just that all the best solutions offend a powerful group of various insiders. nobody wants to put the interests of the country ahead of their particular ideology. right wing, left wing, conservative, liberal, Republican, Democrat...they've all staked out their territory and defend it to the death. that's what we've got to break if we want to fix the country.
 
2012-04-21 09:42:55 PM  

Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.


Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.
 
2012-04-21 09:44:26 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.


What are those? I think his ideas are not only spot on, but 100% needed for the US to survive.
 
2012-04-21 09:47:11 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.


actually, you've never even bothered to understand my philosophies on good governance. you just make it up in your head what you think I believe, then go off the deep end ranting about it.

that aside, dude - getting rid of soft money completely is a pretty damn good start towards fixing a very big problem with how this country is run. wanna kneecap corporations and/or big money influence behind the scenes? outlaw soft money. that'll do bad things to the concept of legalized bribery we've got going on in this country these days.
 
2012-04-21 09:52:47 PM  

adamgreeney: GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.

What are those? I think his ideas are not only spot on, but 100% needed for the US to survive.


He's also said he would toss the EPA and has said that any created jobs are worth any degree of environmental damage. That and his whole thing is hopelessly naive. You have to strap these things down, you can't give corporations any leeway, because they are inherently immoral. They have to be blocked and carefully controlled because they are the most harmful part of our system. I will never trust a corporation and I find it foolish for anyone to do the same. As I cannot trust them, I cannot in good conscience let them have a free reign.
 
2012-04-21 09:55:06 PM  

Weaver95: getting rid of soft money completely is a pretty damn good start towards fixing a very big problem with how this country is run.


Which will never work. They'll find a way. You can't just ban soft money, you have to ban hard money and anything except publicly funded elections with set spending limits. That's the only way it would ever work.
 
2012-04-21 09:56:15 PM  

GAT_00: adamgreeney: GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.

What are those? I think his ideas are not only spot on, but 100% needed for the US to survive.

He's also said he would toss the EPA and has said that any created jobs are worth any degree of environmental damage. That and his whole thing is hopelessly naive. You have to strap these things down, you can't give corporations any leeway, because they are inherently immoral. They have to be blocked and carefully controlled because they are the most harmful part of our system. I will never trust a corporation and I find it foolish for anyone to do the same. As I cannot trust them, I cannot in good conscience let them have a free reign.


Ok, the EPA thing is nuts, but what "whole thing" is naieve?

Before we can make or enforce meaningful regulations (which 99% of the time I agree with you about), we need money out of politics. You cant tell me that we can do anything you want until corporations can't buy their way into what they want.
 
2012-04-21 10:10:53 PM  

adamgreeney: You cant tell me that we can do anything you want until corporations can't buy their way into what they want.


Because I don't believe an official ban on soft money will do anything. They'll find another way unless you officially ban everything. They'll find a new loophole to give money. Unless you completely ban all money in politics, to where no corporation, no religion, nobody besides the official party and candidate can run ads and that's all off of a set bundle of money that is the same for everyone, nothing will change. And then when that happens, I'm sure there will suddenly have other parties appear out of nowhere and back the candidates. So a candidate or party can only back their own candidate.

Why does everyone think just banning soft money will fix everything?
 
2012-04-21 10:18:26 PM  
Unless you're a Baptist, amirite!!!
 
2012-04-21 10:26:10 PM  
fta: Four years later, McShurley has little regret. "Why wasn't I more honest with voters?" she asks. It's a rhetorical question: "They didn't want to hear it." Voters may have lost faith in their leaders, but the leaders, too, have lost faith in the people. McShurley didn't trust voters to accept the truth in 2007, so she danced around it. It's no wonder that just 19 percent of the voting-eligible public cast ballots in last year's mayoral race. And it's a national problem: After a 50-year decline, just 14 percent of respondents in a 2011 Gallup Poll said that the federal government could be trusted "a great deal." It's a vicious cycle. Voters don't like hard truths; so politicians spin us; so we don't trust politicians; so politicians pander and lie to us.

Good, albeit depressing, read.
 
2012-04-21 10:26:51 PM  

gameshowhost: If only a certain political party weren't hellbent on destroying those institutions.


I'm sorry that some of you have lost faith in the Republican Party you all supported originally, like Weaver95. I would prefer another party opposed to the Democrats that helped counter-balance us if we get too carried away with too far left, crazy stuff.

I began as a Democrat mostly from family history, that was based on my Southern families being Dixiecrats, still mad at Republicans for freeing the slaves, you might say. But when the Democrats supported civil rights in the 60s and lost the Dixiecrats, I felt proud being a Democrat because we did the right thing, even if it cost the party the Southeast voting bloc. I felt even prouder when Nixon resigned.

Since then, the Republicans have been sliding further right and extreme, particularly after picking up the former American Independents who were the Dixiecrats originally. Anti-tax, anti-education, anti-immigrant, anti-homosexual, anti-everything. Blessed be Jesus, school prayer, creationism, fetuses, embryos, zygotes, guns, rifles, missionary position, home thermonuclear burglar alarms, stand your ground against imaginary hordes of skin colors other than pale white.

That's why I can't even think of voting for a Republican, even moderate ones who are decent politicians. Their party, their GOP, is running amok.
 
2012-04-21 10:29:09 PM  

DamnYankees: That's what happens when you have bad institutions.


We should spend the next 1/3 century defunding those institutions until they're crippled, and simultaneously use a purpose-built media machine to tell everyone how the institutions we crippled are struggling to do their jobs. That's a sure way make those lazy institutions all boot-strappy.
 
2012-04-21 10:37:54 PM  
Well you know, you better free your mind instead.
 
2012-04-21 10:46:05 PM  

Weaver95: when you look at how wall street and our financial institutions have behaved...there's just no way to defend them. NOTHING they've done is good for their customers, or the economy as a whole. they've broken too many laws to list and none of the CEOs or fiscal people involved will ever see the inside of a jail cell. Not to mention that when they bother explaining their actions, they use a weak and shallow justification defense along the lines of 'hey, i'm a capitalist get over it', and then expect that to shut down all discussion on the subject.

And yet...people I know, people that are on my facebook friends list...people who live lives that the GOP moralists and business people literally hate...those people vote straight ticket Republican. seriously - how can you vote for a political party when these candidates get up on stage and say they hate you?


NO NO. The entire market collapse happened because crafty poor blacks managed to trick naive trusting good Christian bankers into giving them loans they couldn't afford.
 
2012-04-21 10:49:19 PM  
Tree of Liberty, etc etc etc....nah, thats too much work. I could be watching TV instead.
 
2012-04-21 10:52:40 PM  
Well that was a long depressing read.

The problem is, no one knows when to leave well enough alone. When unions had the upper hand they pushed their advantage until they actually made companies uncompetitive and buried municipalities under mountains of entitlements and unnecessary debt. When management goit the upper hand, they returned the favor in spades. The problem we have right now is that management has won, yet they still continue to act as though they are fighting a desperate rearguard battle against the union. In the old days management would shaft the workers, the workers would go out on strike, management would bring in scabs, the workers break the heads of anyone trying to cross the picket lines, management would hire strikebreakers to break union heads, and so on. Now management shafts the workers and the workers are either too afraid of permanently losing their jobs to fight back or they do strike and management simply shuts down the factories and reopens them in Mexico. So management successfully shafts the workers some more, and then some more, with no repercussions. The reason OWS put such fear into the hearts of plutocrats everywhere was that it looked like the start of a violent response to the excesses of capitalism. It looked like the first tentative steps towards something analogous to the Anarchist movement of the early years of the last century. The prospect of an actual shooting class war put the fear of God into America's captains of industry back in the 1930's and it led to the victory of organized labor: $30/hour assembly line jobs, weeks of paid vacation and generous sick leave, secure retirement. When the local governments decided to shut down the Occupy camps and the Occupyers allowed themselves to be shut down, wealthy douchebags all over the country gave a sigh of relief; they were, after all, dealing with wimps. Had the shutdown attempts been met with riots and molotov cocktails, OWS would have considerably more clout and a frightened ruling class would be more amenable to their demands. The point is, people have to be willing to die... and people have to be willing to kill. The Libyans, Egyptians and Tunisians didn't overthrow their oppressors by wiggling their fingers in the air. So long as the American left clings to a civilized, pacifist attitude, the American right will laugh at them while they continue to disenfranchise, marginialize and intimidate their political enemies into submission. The thing is, the American people still have things pretty sweet, so no one's willing to cross the line into actual economic rebellion. But the right still doesn't know how to leave well enough alone, so in a few years when the majority of Americans have been pushed into third world economic straits and have literally nothing to lose, we will see an actual shooting war.

Best part?

Forever.
 
2012-04-21 10:54:50 PM  
Okay fine. So you're losing faith in public institutions. The alternative is?

Notabunny:

We should spend the next 1/3 century defunding those institutions until they're crippled, and simultaneously use a purpose-built media machine to tell everyone how the institutions we crippled are struggling to do their jobs. That's a sure way make those lazy institutions all boot-strappy.


Was coming in to say this.

A) Slash a programs budget.

B) Rant and rave to your constituents about how said program is inefficient and isn't doing its job.

C) Voters agree and start encouraging their leaders to dissolve said program.

D) Next...
 
2012-04-21 10:55:03 PM  

AirForceVet: gameshowhost: If only a certain political party weren't hellbent on destroying those institutions.

I'm sorry that some of you have lost faith in the Republican Party you all supported originally, like Weaver95. I would prefer another party opposed to the Democrats that helped counter-balance us if we get too carried away with too far left, crazy stuff.

I began as a Democrat mostly from family history, that was based on my Southern families being Dixiecrats, still mad at Republicans for freeing the slaves, you might say. But when the Democrats supported civil rights in the 60s and lost the Dixiecrats, I felt proud being a Democrat because we did the right thing, even if it cost the party the Southeast voting bloc. I felt even prouder when Nixon resigned.

Since then, the Republicans have been sliding further right and extreme, particularly after picking up the former American Independents who were the Dixiecrats originally. Anti-tax, anti-education, anti-immigrant, anti-homosexual, anti-everything. Blessed be Jesus, school prayer, creationism, fetuses, embryos, zygotes, guns, rifles, missionary position, home thermonuclear burglar alarms, stand your ground against imaginary hordes of skin colors other than pale white.

That's why I can't even think of voting for a Republican, even moderate ones who are decent politicians. Their party, their GOP, is running amok.


Our nation is pants-on-head right wing ATM and it's rarely faced any leftist political power of note... I'm not the least bit worried about needing a balance to the far left for a couple *generations*, if ever.
 
2012-04-21 11:02:29 PM  

clambam: When unions had the upper hand they pushed their advantage until they actually made companies uncompetitive and buried municipalities under mountains of entitlements and unnecessary debt.


Wow, in what fantasyland did *that* ever happen?

/the farthest unions ever got was to bring a modicum of bargaining power
//being compensated at the marginal product of your labor is neither an entitlement nor a saddling of unnecessary debt
i55.tinypic.com
 
2012-04-21 11:02:42 PM  
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2012-04-21 11:04:14 PM  
So the guy had a $620 a month mortgage. He got is bargained down to $473.87 a month, but was only able to keep that rate for three months before the deal collapsed. And after the three months, his lender sent him a bill for $1878.88 in back payments.

$620 - $473.87 = $146.13 a month less in payments. According to bank math $146.13 a month times three months comes out to over eighteen hundred dollars. I wouldn't trust that math either.
 
2012-04-21 11:17:20 PM  
all the shirt rending over those crazy rethuglicans!!1! from people who in the same post assert that they are going to vote for or support democrats is rather disheartening. its as though you believe that one party by itself could have so drastically altered the political landscape of this country. the reality is that the donks have been 'triangulating' to the center with meek non-opposition the entire time. from cursing to the depths of hell dick nixon, who got us out of vietnam and seriously used the phrase 'full employment budget', to working your ass off to elect obama, who said that social security is 'on the table' and signed a health 'reform' bill that would've had you torching cars ~20 years ago. and somehow someway you think just one more round of democrats will somehow stop or even slow down this trajectory. as if they are not themselves largely knowing participants in the whole affair.

to paraphrase a fark meme, both* sides are bad, so vote for literally anything else. yes it might mean taking a hard one to the chin this go around, but a bunch of rabbit punches from the donks are hardly preferable. and even if you do keep donks in for a while eventually theyll lose one and you're getting the haymaker anyway. that energy would be better spent constructing a left party that can actually hit back now and again. or participating in a single issue social movement. hell even doing literally nothing would be better than offering your consent in the form of votes to the half of the duopoly whos aesthetics you prefer.

* 'both; is a particularly insidious assertion here. as if the two parties we have represent the entirety of possible political thought. if not shiat sandwich then giant douche. no thanks, fark the lot of you


/i want you to know that in 20 years when we are all in prison camps together i am going to be pissing in you gruel.
 
2012-04-21 11:17:27 PM  
Back in the 1990's I had to walk away from a house I had bought. Lost the down payment and the a few years of mortgage payments.

Shiat happens. It was crappy at the time but my wife and I picked up and moved on and things got better for us eventually.

I am tired of these sob stories.

The other thing is true. There is no confidence in Govt organizations.

"Americans have lost control of the government, and governments that are not controlled by the people are not democracies."

As George Orwell said, "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
 
2012-04-21 11:17:46 PM  
We have lost our gods," says Laura Hansen, an assistant professor of sociology at Western New England University in Springfield, Mass. "We lost [faith] in the media: Remember Walter Cronkite? We lost it in our culture: You can't point to a movie star who might inspire us, because we know too much about them. We lost it in politics, because we know too much about politicians' lives. We've lost it-that basic sense of trust and confidence-in everything."


I noticed this around 20 years ago; how is this journalist only noticing now?

I have no idea how all of this will play out, but it has been really fun watching it all fall apart.
 
2012-04-21 11:20:53 PM  
I still believe in the GOP. To blame the GOP is like blaming them for the destruction of the WTC and that's not right. They are people too just like the African Americans whom fought for their civil rights in the 1960s. The real threat is segregating and boycotting anyone who is a Republican and then completely attacking them for no reason even though they have the freedom of speech in this country. Obama is basically to plot the final solution during his second term on the GOP just like Hitler did with the Jews and it's not going to benefit anyone at all here in the United States.

In the end, we'll get our own state just like the Jews.
 
2012-04-21 11:21:42 PM  
Obama's FAA is going to institute more user fees that rape independent pilots and businesses.

More failure.
 
2012-04-21 11:24:55 PM  

DamnYankees: That's what happens when you have bad institutions.


That's what happens when the people running the institutions belong IN them.
 
2012-04-21 11:25:25 PM  

Ned Stark: to paraphrase a fark meme, both* sides are bad, so vote for literally anything else let the greater of two evils win


Fixed that for reality.
 
2012-04-21 11:26:35 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Ned Stark: to paraphrase a fark meme, both* sides are bad, so vote for literally anything else let the greater of two evils win

Fixed that for reality.


if you had read just one more sentence you would have gotten the part where i said pretty much that.
 
2012-04-21 11:31:37 PM  

Ned Stark: if you had read just one more sentence you would have gotten the part where i said pretty much that.


Sorry, but I'm a believer in Duvarger's law, so I get a chuckle anytime the 'third party' or 'a pox on both their houses' comes up.
 
2012-04-21 11:33:39 PM  

GAT_00: adamgreeney: GAT_00: Weaver95: those are two things off the top of my head.

Neither of which address the problems you know I have with your philosophy.

What are those? I think his ideas are not only spot on, but 100% needed for the US to survive.

He's also said he would toss the EPA and has said that any created jobs are worth any degree of environmental damage. That and his whole thing is hopelessly naive. You have to strap these things down, you can't give corporations any leeway, because they are inherently immoral. They have to be blocked and carefully controlled because they are the most harmful part of our system. I will never trust a corporation and I find it foolish for anyone to do the same. As I cannot trust them, I cannot in good conscience let them have a free reign.


I swear, it's like you LITERALLY cannot understand the color grey....
 
2012-04-21 11:33:43 PM  

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I have faith in our institutions.
 
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