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2012-04-21 10:53:40 AM
The US seems working very hard to take itself back to the 18th Century.
 
2012-04-21 11:12:31 AM
Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.
 
2012-04-21 11:39:32 AM
From the article: "She got a $280 medical bill in error and was told she didn't have to pay it." My database errors over amounts that are less than a single car payment shouldn't be enough to have you thrown in jail is the point, Shostie. Though, yes I agree with you, never ignore an order to appear as judges don't like that.
 
2012-04-21 11:54:41 AM

Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.


Yeah, this is made up bullshiat. If you don't pay fines or restitution for a criminal conviction, you go to jail because you failed to meet the conditions of your release, not because you are a 'debtor'.

In civil matters, once you get a judgment against you have to come in to court to account for your assets. If you blow it off, a sheriff comes around and tells you you have a court date and you better show or you get held in jail until they can reset it. If you don't show for that, guess what happens?

But if you really have no assets, you show up and your creditor walks away empty handed, and you go home.

That is not the same thing as going to jail because you are too poor to pay your creditors, which is what debtor's prison was.
 
2012-04-21 11:55:01 AM
An order to appear in court will come directly from the court, right? Not from some lawyer's office?
 
2012-04-21 11:56:19 AM
What they describe as "debtors prison" is, in reality, yet another penalty for being an idiot.

Life is full of them. Film at 11.
 
2012-04-21 12:08:40 PM
When prisons became an industry, how could this not be far behind?
 
2012-04-21 12:16:42 PM

Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.


Failure to appear for a civil suit, such as owing a debt, means you admit guilt and you're screwed. They can then throw down restitution on your pay checks, seize assets, and so on. They can't lob you in jail. That's debtors prison which is illegal. Not hard to understand here
 
2012-04-21 12:18:00 PM

jaylectricity: An order to appear in court will come directly from the court, right? Not from some lawyer's office?


Yes. you will get served with papers, not sent a letter in the mail
 
2012-04-21 12:21:46 PM

gilgigamesh: Yeah, this is made up bullshiat. If you don't pay fines or restitution for a criminal conviction, you go to jail because you failed to meet the conditions of your release, not because you are a 'debtor'.

In civil matters, once you get a judgment against you have to come in to court to account for your assets. If you blow it off, a sheriff comes around and tells you you have a court date and you better show or you get held in jail until they can reset it. If you don't show for that, guess what happens?

But if you really have no assets, you show up and your creditor walks away empty handed, and you go home.

That is not the same thing as going to jail because you are too poor to pay your creditors, which is what debtor's prison was.


Serious question. Is this true for *civil* court? People and companies blow off civil court all the time. You get a summary judgement, and its up to the creditor to find a way to get their money.

I've always been taught that if you lose a civil case and the winner is awarded $X from you... its up to them to collect.
 
2012-04-21 12:30:17 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: When prisons became an industry, how could this not be far behind?


Yep, and once you're there you get to work for 30 cents an hour for some corporation. This country is well and truly farked.
 
2012-04-21 12:34:48 PM
Under the law, debtors aren't arrested for nonpayment, but rather for failing to respond to court hearings, pay legal fines, or otherwise showing "contempt of court" in connection with a creditor lawsuit.

IIRC, if you don't respond to a civil suit don't you just automatically lose? Why are disputes over bills going to criminal courts? Most places go to arbitration, not court.

The feds need to address this issue because there are fraudsters who will call people and threaten them with being charged with certain crimes unless they pay. Most people don't know what's legal and illegal and that's how fraudsters get them. The government needs to get involved and stop the practice of jailing people who don't respond to civil suits because ultimately, it's the tax payers on the hook.
 
2012-04-21 12:43:36 PM
Don't be a negative nelly.
www.mittromney.com

Those debtors are using public money for their prosecution. They should be fined.
 
2012-04-21 12:44:25 PM
Looks like I'd better get in all the Australia jokes that I can. And fast!
 
2012-04-21 12:51:14 PM

adamgreeney: jaylectricity: An order to appear in court will come directly from the court, right? Not from some lawyer's office?

Yes. you will get served with papers, not sent a letter in the mail


When I was sued, I got a summons from the court sent registered mail, which I had to sign for. No process server, no sheriff's deputy.

/I won

Britney Spear's Speculum: Under the law, debtors aren't arrested for nonpayment, but rather for failing to respond to court hearings, pay legal fines, or otherwise showing "contempt of court" in connection with a creditor lawsuit.

IIRC, if you don't respond to a civil suit don't you just automatically lose? Why are disputes over bills going to criminal courts? Most places go to arbitration, not court.

The feds need to address this issue because there are fraudsters who will call people and threaten them with being charged with certain crimes unless they pay. Most people don't know what's legal and illegal and that's how fraudsters get them. The government needs to get involved and stop the practice of jailing people who don't respond to civil suits because ultimately, it's the tax payers on the hook.


The feds have addressed the issue with collectors and threatening people with being arrested. It's against the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act (new window, PDF). It is illegal for a collector to engage in a harassing pattern, for them to call you at work if you tell them not to, for them to call at odd hours, for them to threaten or use profane language or tell anyone about your debts. The list of the things they cannot do is lengthy. If you are told you owe a debt, you are allowed within 30 days to demand the collector show proof of the debt and they cannot demand collection until the proof has been provided. You can also send a "cease and desist" letter telling the collector to stop attempting to contact you.

FDCPA - Know it, learn it, use it

/Not an attorney
 
2012-04-21 01:04:37 PM

dustman81: adamgreeney: jaylectricity: An order to appear in court will come directly from the court, right? Not from some lawyer's office?

Yes. you will get served with papers, not sent a letter in the mail

When I was sued, I got a summons from the court sent registered mail, which I had to sign for. No process server, no sheriff's deputy.

/I won

Britney Spear's Speculum: Under the law, debtors aren't arrested for nonpayment, but rather for failing to respond to court hearings, pay legal fines, or otherwise showing "contempt of court" in connection with a creditor lawsuit.

IIRC, if you don't respond to a civil suit don't you just automatically lose? Why are disputes over bills going to criminal courts? Most places go to arbitration, not court.

The feds need to address this issue because there are fraudsters who will call people and threaten them with being charged with certain crimes unless they pay. Most people don't know what's legal and illegal and that's how fraudsters get them. The government needs to get involved and stop the practice of jailing people who don't respond to civil suits because ultimately, it's the tax payers on the hook.

The feds have addressed the issue with collectors and threatening people with being arrested. It's against the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act (new window, PDF). It is illegal for a collector to engage in a harassing pattern, for them to call you at work if you tell them not to, for them to call at odd hours, for them to threaten or use profane language or tell anyone about your debts. The list of the things they cannot do is lengthy. If you are told you owe a debt, you are allowed within 30 days to demand the collector show proof of the debt and they cannot demand collection until the proof has been provided. You can also send a "cease and desist" letter telling the collector to stop attempting to contact you.

FDCPA - Know it, learn it, use it

/Not an attorney


What were you sued for? I know card companies and such won't get you served. If you don't show, you just lose. I had a personal loan that went into a business which I was sued over. That was a different situation, but there was no threat of jail for not showing.
 
2012-04-21 01:15:36 PM

adamgreeney: dustman81: adamgreeney: jaylectricity: An order to appear in court will come directly from the court, right? Not from some lawyer's office?

Yes. you will get served with papers, not sent a letter in the mail

When I was sued, I got a summons from the court sent registered mail, which I had to sign for. No process server, no sheriff's deputy.

/I won

Britney Spear's Speculum: Under the law, debtors aren't arrested for nonpayment, but rather for failing to respond to court hearings, pay legal fines, or otherwise showing "contempt of court" in connection with a creditor lawsuit.

IIRC, if you don't respond to a civil suit don't you just automatically lose? Why are disputes over bills going to criminal courts? Most places go to arbitration, not court.

The feds need to address this issue because there are fraudsters who will call people and threaten them with being charged with certain crimes unless they pay. Most people don't know what's legal and illegal and that's how fraudsters get them. The government needs to get involved and stop the practice of jailing people who don't respond to civil suits because ultimately, it's the tax payers on the hook.

The feds have addressed the issue with collectors and threatening people with being arrested. It's against the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act (new window, PDF). It is illegal for a collector to engage in a harassing pattern, for them to call you at work if you tell them not to, for them to call at odd hours, for them to threaten or use profane language or tell anyone about your debts. The list of the things they cannot do is lengthy. If you are told you owe a debt, you are allowed within 30 days to demand the collector show proof of the debt and they cannot demand collection until the proof has been provided. You can also send a "cease and desist" letter telling the collector to stop attempting to contact you.

FDCPA - Know it, learn it, use it

/Not an attorney

What were you sued for? I know card companies an ...


Ex-landlord sued me for a month's rent. It didn't even make it to trial. I gave my attorney the summons and my lease. Less than a week later, the suit was dropped.
 
2012-04-21 01:22:09 PM
How are the Muppets gonna talk Ebeneezer Scrooge outta THIS one?
 
2012-04-21 01:37:18 PM

adamgreeney: Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.

Failure to appear for a civil suit, such as owing a debt, means you admit guilt and you're screwed. They can then throw down restitution on your pay checks, seize assets, and so on. They can't lob you in jail. That's debtors prison which is illegal. Not hard to understand here


Right, so what happens after you ignore the court summons and the judgment against you and fail to comply with the judgment?
 
2012-04-21 01:38:37 PM
Debt collectors are slightly above child molesters on the low forms of life scale.

/nope, debt free.
 
2012-04-21 01:42:27 PM
"A consumer that has been arrested or jailed can't pay a debt."

This. In Montana, and elsewhere, I'm sure, people who fall behind on their child support can get their driver's licenses taken away and lose other licenses and certification that would allow them to make good on the debt. I have two friends who had their ability to pay child support taken away, because, hey! Justice!
 
2012-04-21 01:49:37 PM

adamgreeney: Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.

Failure to appear for a civil suit, such as owing a debt, means you admit guilt and you're screwed. They can then throw down restitution on your pay checks, seize assets, and so on. They can't lob you in jail. That's debtors prison which is illegal. Not hard to understand here


None of that is true.

Failure to appear can mean a default judgment is taken. But you're hardly screwed; defaults are pretty shaky. Seizing assets and garnishing wages is pretty extreme and there are other ways of satisfying a judgment before courts will look to them. And they CAN put you in jail for contempt of a court order.
 
2012-04-21 01:49:58 PM

Shostie: adamgreeney: Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.

Failure to appear for a civil suit, such as owing a debt, means you admit guilt and you're screwed. They can then throw down restitution on your pay checks, seize assets, and so on. They can't lob you in jail. That's debtors prison which is illegal. Not hard to understand here

Right, so what happens after you ignore the court summons and the judgment against you and fail to comply with the judgment?


Then they garnish wages. If you don't have any, than the creditor is screwed. Lending money is a risk. If you can't collect or make a bad call, then its on you for lending it. Sending someone to jail for not being able to repay it is illegal and morally reprehensible
 
2012-04-21 01:50:14 PM
At least they don't kidnap your children and send them to labor camps, yet.
 
2012-04-21 01:52:08 PM

Lane83: adamgreeney: Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.

Failure to appear for a civil suit, such as owing a debt, means you admit guilt and you're screwed. They can then throw down restitution on your pay checks, seize assets, and so on. They can't lob you in jail. That's debtors prison which is illegal. Not hard to understand here

None of that is true.

Failure to appear can mean a default judgment is taken. But you're hardly screwed; defaults are pretty shaky. Seizing assets and garnishing wages is pretty extreme and there are other ways of satisfying a judgment before courts will look to them. And they CAN put you in jail for contempt of a court order.


But court orders don't refer to debts. they can order or approve payments, garnishment, etc, but unless it's a criminal fine, you won't get locked up. Not paying child support gets you locked up, not paying Visa won't.
 
2012-04-21 01:52:09 PM

adamgreeney: Shostie: adamgreeney: Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.

Failure to appear for a civil suit, such as owing a debt, means you admit guilt and you're screwed. They can then throw down restitution on your pay checks, seize assets, and so on. They can't lob you in jail. That's debtors prison which is illegal. Not hard to understand here

Right, so what happens after you ignore the court summons and the judgment against you and fail to comply with the judgment?

Then they garnish wages. If you don't have any, than the creditor is screwed. Lending money is a risk. If you can't collect or make a bad call, then its on you for lending it. Sending someone to jail for not being able to repay it is illegal and morally reprehensible


It's a contempt order! They keep you for (in most cases) a maximum of a day (three on a weekend) so that you show up to the next hearing.
 
2012-04-21 01:56:22 PM

Shostie: adamgreeney: Shostie: Weird. It's like, if someone sues you for something and you don't show up they can throw you in jail for contempt of court. That seems like something made up just now and not something that's been around for centuries.

Failure to appear for a civil suit, such as owing a debt, means you admit guilt and you're screwed. They can then throw down restitution on your pay checks, seize assets, and so on. They can't lob you in jail. That's debtors prison which is illegal. Not hard to understand here

Right, so what happens after you ignore the court summons and the judgment against you and fail to comply with the judgment?


Then the plaintiff can seize assets & whatnot. Now there are times in a civil suit in which the judge makes a particular order for an individual to appear or provide information. If they fail to appear or provide said information, then the judge swears out a bench warrant for them.

I sued my previous employer for backpay, vacation pay, and some unpaid invoices. They never showed up in court, I got a default judgement, and then used that judgement to empty out one of their bank accounts.

While I was researching things, I discovered that the CEO had a bench warrant out for his arrest for failing to provide financial information to the court in a large civil suit.

Last I checked, the company had about $4-5 million in judgements against them. The only thing keeping them afloat today is them being a communications provider for US SOCOM.
 
2012-04-21 02:00:34 PM

dudemanbro: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When prisons became an industry, how could this not be far behind?

Yep, and once you're there you get to work for 30 cents an hour for some corporation. This country is well and truly farked.



uh, if the evil corporations actually pay you anything then sign me up for that over the liberal treatment you get in California.
in the peoples republic of California the local government charges you about $150 a day for keeping you in jail. it's almost like they want you return to a life of crime to pay off your debts you incurred when they charged you for keeping you in jail so they can catch you again and throw you back in jail and start charging you $150 a day for being there again.
in California your debt to society isn't paid off once you are released from jail after serving your sentence, it's actually larger than ever at that moment.
but yeah, only corporations or evil. your brand of big liberal government isn't at all.
 
GBB
2012-04-21 02:06:04 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: The feds need to address this issue because there are fraudsters who will call people and threaten them with being charged with certain crimes unless they pay.


Unfortunately, these tactics work, and those that are able to pay, but have decided to refuse, begin to think twice when they hear of stories like these.

If no one ever enforced their collection policies, then no one would have any reason to pay back their debts. If you think otherwise, can I borrow a few grand, ole chap??
 
2012-04-21 02:07:49 PM
dudemanbro
Yep, and once you're there you get to work for 30 cents an hour for some corporation.

How farking stupid do people have to be to actually work, under these conditions?
 
2012-04-21 02:08:01 PM
To those of you who are defending this disgusting practice with words like "They aren't going to jail for not paying a biil. They're going to jail for not going to court.", I present this comment FTA:

"What many people do not understand is that in many states you are served court papers with "process servers"..these servers only have to deliver the papers to your property...I have a friend who found papers under a bush on the side of the house when mowing the lawn! (good thing it wasnt windy that day)....many people may be aware they owe a debt, but are NOT aware of these court dates due to this. A supeona on the other hand must be delivered and signed for. I do feel for this woman, this is utterly ridiculous."

This is how these collection agencies operate. They "deliver" the orders to appear in court in a very sloppy way, yet YOU are somehow expected to be a clairvoyant and be able to know exactly where they hid these papers like a proverbial easter egg. Cuz if you don't find where they hid those papers, it's off to jail for you!

In many cases, the collection agencies know they won't get a dime from you, so if they can't get their money, they'll tear your life apart and put you into a living Hell simply to serve as a brutal warning to others of what may happen to them if they don't cough up and do it quick.
 
2012-04-21 02:08:34 PM
GBB
If no one ever enforced their collection policies, then no one would have any reason to pay back their debts. If you think otherwise, can I borrow a few grand, ole chap??

Credit rating, how the fark does it work?
 
2012-04-21 02:08:55 PM

dustman81: FDCPA - Know it, learn it, use it


This. This x1000. Seriously, take an hour or so with google and familiarize yourself with this law. If you ever have to deal with a collector (especially on a debt you don't owe) you'll be really glad you got yourself some learnin' on this.
 
2012-04-21 02:10:09 PM
How are we ever going to get rid of poverty, if people keep deciding to be poor? We've tried our best to stygmatize the poor, and we have TV shows that glorify being rich, but still people choose to be poor. Social pressure just isn't working, and policy makers are at their wits' end. The only approach left to this problem is to criminalize being poor. It's the only thing we can do if we really care about ending poverty.
 
2012-04-21 02:10:17 PM
Hey, it's not all bad. She gets free healthcare, right? I'm sure they'll clear that cancer right up.

/Best healthcare system in the world. IN THE WORLD!
 
2012-04-21 02:10:29 PM

Forgot_my_password_again: Debt collectors are slightly above child molesters on the low forms of life scale.

/nope, debt free.


If I walked into a room and saw Kony, Ahmadinejad, and a debt collector in there, and I had a gun with three bullets in it, I'd shoot the debt collector, three times.
 
2012-04-21 02:11:44 PM

gilgigamesh: What they describe as "debtors prison" is, in reality, yet another penalty for being an idiot.

Life is full of them. Film at 11.


This.

Pay what you owe and don't try to shirk your responsibilities.
 
2012-04-21 02:12:59 PM
Trance750
Pay what you owe and don't try to shirk your responsibilities.

Yeah, because every problem is individual.
 
2012-04-21 02:13:21 PM

relcec: dudemanbro: MaudlinMutantMollusk: When prisons became an industry, how could this not be far behind?

Yep, and once you're there you get to work for 30 cents an hour for some corporation. This country is well and truly farked.


uh, if the evil corporations actually pay you anything then sign me up for that over the liberal treatment you get in California.
in the peoples republic of California the local government charges you about $150 a day for keeping you in jail. it's almost like they want you return to a life of crime to pay off your debts you incurred when they charged you for keeping you in jail so they can catch you again and throw you back in jail and start charging you $150 a day for being there again.
in California your debt to society isn't paid off once you are released from jail after serving your sentence, it's actually larger than ever at that moment.
but yeah, only corporations or evil. your brand of big liberal government isn't at all.


I can only find evidence of a single county, Riverside, that proposed such a charge. Do you have a link to anything about the charge being statewide?

/and I called it an industry, not a corporation. There's a difference
 
2012-04-21 02:13:28 PM

Trance750: gilgigamesh: What they describe as "debtors prison" is, in reality, yet another penalty for being an idiot.

Life is full of them. Film at 11.

This.

Pay what you owe and don't try to shirk your responsibilities.


Wait till some collection agency decides to shake you down for a debt you never owed (collection agencies pull that crap, a lot). You'll liberal up pretty damn quick, I'm sure.
 
2012-04-21 02:20:42 PM

dustman81: The feds have addressed the issue with collectors and threatening people with being arrested. It's against the Fair Debt Collections Practices Act (new window, PDF). It is illegal for a collector to engage in a harassing pattern, for them to call you at work if you tell them not to, for them to call at odd hours, for them to threaten or use profane language or tell anyone about your debts. The list of the things they cannot do is lengthy. If you are told you owe a debt, you are allowed within 30 days to demand the collector show proof of the debt and they cannot demand collection until the proof has been provided. You can also send a "cease and desist" letter telling the collector to stop attempting to contact you.

FDCPA - Know it, learn it, use it

/Not an attorney


I know this already and my point (that I didn't make clear) was that the feds need to step in and stop the practice of people disputing bills in courts where a failure to appear = jail vs you just lose automatically.

The tax payers are then on the hook for the dead beats while no one gets their money anyway. You don't have a right to an attorney in these types of cases yet you're still liable to go to jail for not navigating the civil courts properly. That isn't right.

My point about the fraudsters threatening jail was to show that there are people susceptible to being suckered into paying a debt they don't owe in addition to real creditors trying shady ways to collect a debt. That practice deserves jail time
 
2012-04-21 02:22:31 PM
How sad is it that I'm surprised it took until the 2nd post for someone to defend this?

Weep for the "future"...
 
2012-04-21 02:23:44 PM
Ask any father who is a nickel behind in child support...prison comes quickly.

Birth mothers on welfare sit on their arse, buying designer handbags and the kids get thrift store clothing.

Dad gets a striped suit and loses everything.

Orwellian and present day.
 
2012-04-21 02:24:36 PM

TV's Vinnie: Trance750: gilgigamesh: What they describe as "debtors prison" is, in reality, yet another penalty for being an idiot.

Life is full of them. Film at 11.

This.

Pay what you owe and don't try to shirk your responsibilities.

Wait till some collection agency decides to shake you down for a debt you never owed (collection agencies pull that crap, a lot). You'll liberal up pretty damn quick, I'm sure.


CSB:

A friend of mine was once sent a bill for $0.00; she called to complain, and the company said it was a computer error, and they cancelled the bill. The story behind it was she always overpaid her bills every month, so by December, she would have a negative account that would be enough to pay for that month's bill, that way she wouldn't have any bills and could use her entire paycheck for Christmas gifts. Since her amount due was $0.00, she didn't pay it. The computer generated a notice stating that there was no payment received that month, and automatically produced a notification letter for an overdue payment (with overdue charges). For the next several months, she kept getting letters from the company stating that she was overdue, and if she didn't pay the allotted $0.00, they would freeze her account. Every time, she would call, they would claim it was a computer error, and cancel the "debt." After several months of this, she started getting calls from debt collection agencies over her $0.00 bill. She would call, they would say it was an error, and they would cancel it. Another month would pass by, and she'd get a call from a different collection agency over the same $0.00 bill. They even started to ding her credit rating. Eventually, she just sent in a check for $0.00, and it all stopped.

/True story.
//Her husband was pissed that she actually wrote a check for $0.00
///He was kind of an asshole.
/slashies!
 
2012-04-21 02:28:56 PM

GBB: Britney Spear's Speculum: The feds need to address this issue because there are fraudsters who will call people and threaten them with being charged with certain crimes unless they pay.

Unfortunately, these tactics work, and those that are able to pay, but have decided to refuse, begin to think twice when they hear of stories like these.


That's not my point. My point is that there are fake creditors who will claim a person has a debt and will threaten a person (who may have absolutely zero debt in their name) with jail time in order to get money out of people who didn't do anything. The feds had to step in and say "this practice is illegal" because...it is. You can't go to jail for debt.


If no one ever enforced their collection policies, then no one would have any reason to pay back their debts. If you think otherwise, can I borrow a few grand, ole chap??

This statement shows you don't even know what credit means or entails. Credit =/= taking money from a person in order to pay it back. The creditor takes a risk lending money to a person. If that person fails to pay it back the creditor tells other creditors (via various methods) to not give person X any more money.

"Enforcing their collection policies" means "ok, you can't have money from me and I'm telling everyone else you're a dead beat.
 
2012-04-21 02:29:58 PM

RanDomino: dudemanbro
Yep, and once you're there you get to work for 30 cents an hour for some corporation.

How farking stupid do people have to be to actually work, under these conditions?


If you refuse to work they take away "privileges" like staying out of solitary confinement for the duration of your sentence. We're talking about for-profit imprisonment remember, corruption is an intrinsic part of it and you are not allowed to decline participation after you have been selected to participate.
 
2012-04-21 02:30:21 PM

RanDomino: Trance750
Pay what you owe and don't try to shirk your responsibilities.

Yeah, because every problem is individual.


Well when you let the bills pile up, while you blow your paycheck on fun and games....
 
2012-04-21 02:30:24 PM

TV's Vinnie: Trance750: gilgigamesh: What they describe as "debtors prison" is, in reality, yet another penalty for being an idiot.

Life is full of them. Film at 11.

This.

Pay what you owe and don't try to shirk your responsibilities.

Wait till some collection agency decides to shake you down for a debt you never owed (collection agencies pull that crap, a lot). You'll liberal up pretty damn quick, I'm sure.


And God forbid if your parents die and the agency demand that you pay the debts that your parents owe. Even if your parents didn't leave anything for you in the will. Yes it is illegal but it hasn't stop them from trying.
 
2012-04-21 02:33:16 PM
Money is a piss poor god.
 
2012-04-21 02:33:20 PM
gaslight: The US seems working very hard to take itself back to the 18th Century.

Yup, and there's one party, specifically their base, that wants to rock it like it's 1599.

Rolling back the enlightenment and re-framing it is policy #1 for them.
 
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