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(Torrent Freak)   Months after the military raid and seizures of its assets... turns out the MegaUpload case may never go to trial at all because the FBI forgot the little detail that it's illegal to sue a foreign company in the US   (torrentfreak.com ) divider line
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2012-04-21 12:11:38 PM  
pffft


My headline was better
 
2012-04-21 12:15:45 PM  
And you think they'll let that stop them?
 
2012-04-21 12:21:41 PM  
Don't worry. Kim Dotcom can still be charged by the fashion police.
 
2012-04-21 12:30:43 PM  
He's still a thief.
 
2012-04-21 12:39:31 PM  

cman: My headline was better


Obviously not.
 
2012-04-21 12:41:52 PM  
They only wanted the server logs so they can then prosecute American citizens.
 
2012-04-21 12:44:43 PM  

foo monkey: He's still a thief.


no, he is - at worst - a copyright infringer. nothing was stolen, hence he is not a 'thief'.

"My understanding as to why they haven't done that is because they can't. We don't believe Megaupload can be served in a criminal matter because it is not located within the jurisdiction of the United States," Rothken says

and that right there is something RIAA would like us all to forget about - you cannot enforce US laws in other countries. sorry - RIAA but you guys are f*cked.
 
2012-04-21 12:47:28 PM  
Ugh. Used to be that MegaUpload + SideReel = better than TV. I miss it still. ;__;
 
2012-04-21 12:48:39 PM  

balisane: Ugh. Used to be that MegaUpload + SideReel = better than TV. I miss it still. ;__;


You do realize that YouTube has a treasure trove of legal and illegal uploads of many tv series?
 
2012-04-21 12:52:58 PM  

foo monkey: He's still a thief fat.

 
2012-04-21 12:58:19 PM  

cman: balisane: Ugh. Used to be that MegaUpload + SideReel = better than TV. I miss it still. ;__;

You do realize that YouTube has a treasure trove of legal and illegal uploads of many tv series?


Yeah, but on MU, you could reliably find them both subtitled and in HD, which seems to be (or was at that time) a rare combination otherwise. I have a mild auditory processing disorder and closed captioning is a must.
 
2012-04-21 01:00:22 PM  
the FBI broke so many laws on this one, i'm amazed someone hasn't lost their job.
 
2012-04-21 01:05:41 PM  

balisane: cman: balisane: Ugh. Used to be that MegaUpload + SideReel = better than TV. I miss it still. ;__;

You do realize that YouTube has a treasure trove of legal and illegal uploads of many tv series?

Yeah, but on MU, you could reliably find them both subtitled and in HD, which seems to be (or was at that time) a rare combination otherwise. I have a mild auditory processing disorder and closed captioning is a must.


Ah, I understand.

Google introduced some shiatty speech-to-text program in YouTube videos. The cool part is that if you come upon a video in Russian, you can convert the speech-to-text subtitles to English. The not so cool part about it is that the program doesnt work that well at all
 
2012-04-21 01:11:34 PM  
Next up: Kim Dotcom sues the Feds for damages and emotional distress and false arrest and God knows what else. The taxpayers will pick up the tab, and the RIAA will go on conducting business as usual.
 
2012-04-21 01:14:34 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Next up: Kim Dotcom sues the Feds for damages and emotional distress and false arrest and God knows what else. The taxpayers will pick up the tab, and the RIAA will go on conducting business as usual.


Can a foreigner can file a civil suit against the US Government?
 
2012-04-21 01:22:09 PM  

Weaver95: the FBI broke so many laws on this one, i'm amazed someone hasn't lost their job.


I'm sure someone has, just no one we've heard of.
 
2012-04-21 01:25:34 PM  

SilentStrider: Weaver95: the FBI broke so many laws on this one, i'm amazed someone hasn't lost their job.

I'm sure someone has, just no one we've heard of.


I just hope that it was prefaced by one of those action movie tirades usually reserved for pissed-off police captains.

"DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY LAWS YOU BROKE? HAND OVER YOUR BADGE! NOW!"
 
2012-04-21 01:25:55 PM  
I was wondering how a US court thought it had jurisdiction in NZ. That never did make any sense to me.
 
2012-04-21 01:27:07 PM  

make me some tea: I was wondering how a US court thought it had jurisdiction in NZ. That never did make any sense to me.


I'm still not sure how or why the FBI is involved in this case at all. it's a civil matter in a foreign country. NONE of this involves the FBI's mandate or charter.
 
2012-04-21 01:27:37 PM  

make me some tea: I was wondering how a US court thought it had jurisdiction in NZ. That never did make any sense to me.


Americans aren't very good with world geography.
 
2012-04-21 01:46:34 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: SilentStrider: Weaver95: the FBI broke so many laws on this one, i'm amazed someone hasn't lost their job.

I'm sure someone has, just no one we've heard of.

I just hope that it was prefaced by one of those action movie tirades usually reserved for pissed-off police captains.

"DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY LAWS YOU BROKE? HAND OVER YOUR BADGE! NOW!"


Nah. I justbthink they were quietly fired, then when the time is right, their name will be leaked as a form of damage control.
 
2012-04-21 01:47:18 PM  
I really wish my space bar properly worked instead of adding the letter b.
 
2012-04-21 01:47:42 PM  

make me some tea: I was wondering how a US court thought it had jurisdiction in NZ. That never did make any sense to me.


They figured they'd get a judge who would look past that or assumed because it was used here that it magically made it a US case.

Is it just me, or has anyone else been more inclined to watch stuff online since this shiat and SOPA? If they're going to treat me like a criminal, I figure it's worth actually acting like one.
 
2012-04-21 01:51:26 PM  
Obviously the solution is declare these folks terrorists. Al Qaida, I'm sure, enjoyed a few episodes of Community and Parks and Recreation on MegaUpload, and probably a few movies as well. That's giving aid and comfort, and we should just get them extradited here, and with extraordinary rendition, get them into Gitmo.

It's the only way to preserve copyright law, and without copyright law, the entire entertainment industry will be in chaos. Dogs. Cats. Living together.

Best part?

FOREVER...
 
2012-04-21 01:56:33 PM  

GAT_00: Is it just me, or has anyone else been more inclined to watch stuff online since this shiat and SOPA? If they're going to treat me like a criminal, I figure it's worth actually acting like one.


I haven't really changed my habits as yet, but a friend of mine did turn me on to an interesting-looking darknet system I intend to check out at some point.

And of course like anything of this nature, the more they try to clamp down on open file-sharing, darknet solutions will be come more robust.
 
2012-04-21 01:58:50 PM  

make me some tea: GAT_00: Is it just me, or has anyone else been more inclined to watch stuff online since this shiat and SOPA? If they're going to treat me like a criminal, I figure it's worth actually acting like one.

I haven't really changed my habits as yet, but a friend of mine did turn me on to an interesting-looking darknet system I intend to check out at some point.

And of course like anything of this nature, the more they try to clamp down on open file-sharing, darknet solutions will be come more robust.


Ok, I hate to sound old, but I had never heard of a darknet before. Interesting.
 
2012-04-21 02:00:31 PM  

GAT_00: Ok, I hate to sound old, but I had never heard of a darknet before. Interesting.


There's been a darknet for over 10 years now. That's about all I'm going to say about that in a public discussion thread.
 
2012-04-21 02:05:09 PM  

make me some tea: GAT_00: Ok, I hate to sound old, but I had never heard of a darknet before. Interesting.

There's been a darknet for over 10 years now. That's about all I'm going to say about that in a public discussion thread.


i'm familar with the concept but haven't had any direct contact with it.
 
2012-04-21 02:08:29 PM  
Retarded headline is retarded.
 
2012-04-21 02:18:25 PM  

Weaver95: I'm still not sure how or why the FBI is involved in this case at all. it's a civil matter in a foreign country. NONE of this involves the FBI's mandate or charter.


Its not just a civil matter. They are being charged with CRIMINAL copyright infringement, money laundering, and racketeering.
 
2012-04-21 02:36:35 PM  

ShawnDoc: Weaver95: I'm still not sure how or why the FBI is involved in this case at all. it's a civil matter in a foreign country. NONE of this involves the FBI's mandate or charter.

Its not just a civil matter. They are being charged with CRIMINAL copyright infringement, money laundering, and racketeering.


so why didn't the NZ government make those charges? why is the United States FBI involved?
 
2012-04-21 03:00:55 PM  
From a nearby article: If Judge O'Grady is to be believed all this damage could very well have been for nothing because the authorities simply can't serve foreign companies. This could lead one to wonder whether the whole setup was to simply destroy Mega's businesses.

Ya think?

Seems to me that even if they never manage to lock up Kim Dotcom & Co, they've already achieved what they set out to do. Megaupload is offline, and what's left of their company will rot in the proverbial evidence lockers for years until all the legal issues resulting from this mess are resolved.
 
2012-04-21 03:06:11 PM  

cman: Marcus Aurelius: Next up: Kim Dotcom sues the Feds for damages and emotional distress and false arrest and God knows what else. The taxpayers will pick up the tab, and the RIAA will go on conducting business as usual.

Can a foreigner can file a civil suit against the US Government?


I do not know, but I've never heard of one, so probably not.
 
2012-04-21 03:20:19 PM  

Lukeonia1: From a nearby article: If Judge O'Grady is to be believed all this damage could very well have been for nothing because the authorities simply can't serve foreign companies. This could lead one to wonder whether the whole setup was to simply destroy Mega's businesses.

Ya think?

Seems to me that even if they never manage to lock up Kim Dotcom & Co, they've already achieved what they set out to do. Megaupload is offline, and what's left of their company will rot in the proverbial evidence lockers for years until all the legal issues resulting from this mess are resolved.


And it *still* won't stop file trading.
 
2012-04-21 03:32:22 PM  
So if they can't prove a crime was committed in their jurisdiction, can they restore the business that was taken apart?

/Because I suspect we're on the hook for this.
/Lawyer party, yay!
 
2012-04-21 03:36:43 PM  

cman: Marcus Aurelius: Next up: Kim Dotcom sues the Feds for damages and emotional distress and false arrest and God knows what else. The taxpayers will pick up the tab, and the RIAA will go on conducting business as usual.

Can a foreigner can file a civil suit against the US Government?


Judging by this Gitmo case, they can sue. Winning is another issue.

There will definitely be lawyers on a suit like this, and the EFF and ACLU will probably take interest.
 
2012-04-21 03:38:50 PM  

foo monkey: He's still a thief.


Except he's not.
 
2012-04-21 03:41:34 PM  

Weaver95: make me some tea: I was wondering how a US court thought it had jurisdiction in NZ. That never did make any sense to me.

I'm still not sure how or why the FBI is involved in this case at all. it's a civil matter in a foreign country. NONE of this involves the FBI's mandate or charter.


Have you never watched a legit VHS/DVD/BlueRay movie in your life? Right at the beginning is a giant full page warning about how the FBI will kill you if you copy the movie.
 
2012-04-21 03:42:22 PM  

make me some tea: There's been a darknet for over 10 years now.


There have been darknets for as long as computer networks have existed.
 
Skr
2012-04-21 03:42:39 PM  
I'm rooting for him, though they'll more than likely just change the law or find a way to ignore it entirely.

He seems to be a lynch pin, or at least a test of the waters to see if the world police can crack down on anyone anywhere with impunity.
 
2012-04-21 03:44:57 PM  
Nice job by the feds once again. The shiatty thing is that there's no recourse for Megaupload if this entire matter gets tossed.
 
2012-04-21 03:48:03 PM  

slayer199: Nice job by the feds once again. The shiatty thing is that there's no recourse for Megaupload if this entire matter gets tossed.


i'm pretty sure that if the United States keeps this shiat up, there will be negative consequences for us. most countries take that whole 'sovereignity' thing seriously and if we keep acting like our domestic laws apply everywhere in the world, well...we can't invade EVERYONE who tells us to piss off. And you know what? if RIAA wants to invade someone over file trading, then they can do it themselves.
 
2012-04-21 03:50:43 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: SilentStrider: Weaver95: the FBI broke so many laws on this one, i'm amazed someone hasn't lost their job.

I'm sure someone has, just no one we've heard of.

I just hope that it was prefaced by one of those action movie tirades usually reserved for pissed-off police captains.

"DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY LAWS YOU BROKE? HAND OVER YOUR BADGE! NOW!"


Yeah, but in true Blofeld fashion, they'd fire some guy who didn't break any laws at all, just to set an example.
 
2012-04-21 03:50:56 PM  
Megaupload's crime was not file trading. It was that major artists were learning that they could use it as a distribution model and go around the fraud and robbery that the RIAA record company members inflict upon actual artists and creators. That is why he had to be shut down with a swat team.
 
2012-04-21 03:53:00 PM  

slayer199: The shiatty thing is that there's no recourse for Megaupload if this entire matter gets tossed.


not to mention sites where I could watch some of my Aussie shows that were not available anywhere else that just said "thats it, sorry folks" and shut as they did not want the possibility of being raided.
sigh.
rip sea patrol and rescue: special ops
 
2012-04-21 03:54:37 PM  

GAT_00: make me some tea: GAT_00: Is it just me, or has anyone else been more inclined to watch stuff online since this shiat and SOPA? If they're going to treat me like a criminal, I figure it's worth actually acting like one.

I haven't really changed my habits as yet, but a friend of mine did turn me on to an interesting-looking darknet system I intend to check out at some point.

And of course like anything of this nature, the more they try to clamp down on open file-sharing, darknet solutions will be come more robust.

Ok, I hate to sound old, but I had never heard of a darknet before. Interesting.


It banged Frances McDormand and can't stay in sunlight longer than 99 minutes.
 
2012-04-21 03:56:09 PM  

cman: Google introduced some shiatty speech-to-text program in YouTube videos. The cool part is that if you come upon a video in Russian, you can convert the speech-to-text subtitles to English. The not so cool part about it is that the program doesnt work that well at all


Its allies drug the postman and they have delivery, then open self-contained resort
 
2012-04-21 03:56:57 PM  

Weaver95: ShawnDoc: Weaver95: I'm still not sure how or why the FBI is involved in this case at all. it's a civil matter in a foreign country. NONE of this involves the FBI's mandate or charter.

Its not just a civil matter. They are being charged with CRIMINAL copyright infringement, money laundering, and racketeering.

so why didn't the NZ government make those charges? why is the United States FBI involved?


Because the victims are US corporations. It's the same thing when an American citizen gets murdered overseas... The FBI steps in and the US courts have jurisdiction, in addition to the foreign courts.
 
2012-04-21 04:03:02 PM  
Um... no shiat, Sherlock. I didn't need a court to tell me that other countries are not subject to US law. I mean, I know the media can't ever comprehend why other countries are not actually US states and have legal systems that work differently from America's and are not inclined to run their legal systems like America's... but come on now.
 
2012-04-21 04:10:52 PM  

IlGreven: Yeah, but in true Blofeld fashion, they'd fire some guy who didn't break any laws at all, just to set an example.


Complete with a horrible post-firing pun!
 
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