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(MSNBC)   Sam Wo's, the San Francisco restaurant that once featured "the world's rudest waiter" set to close its door after 100 years. How rude was he? "The Soup Nazi is the Dalai Lama compared to Edsel Ford Fung"   (usnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 135
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2012-04-21 01:17:18 PM  
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2012-04-21 01:19:32 PM  
FTFA: David Ho, a descendent of one of the restaurant's original owners, decided to shut down after officials demanded extensive health and safety upgrades.

You know, I hate hairnets as much as the next person but that's no reason to close up shop.
 
2012-04-21 01:20:07 PM  
for subby
Link
 
2012-04-21 01:20:28 PM  
Welcome to the big city, where assholicity confers status whether you're a waiter or a tycoon.

/just don't try it if you're middleclass
 
2012-04-21 01:20:58 PM  
So was the food actually good? Or one of those places people just keep going to despite shiatty food "just because"?
 
2012-04-21 01:23:08 PM  
Only 3 grammatical errors. Not bad, subby
 
2012-04-21 01:25:48 PM  
Never understood the attraction of going to a restaurant to be abused. I can get that at home.
 
2012-04-21 01:26:12 PM  
Rude waiter eh? Well, no tip for you.

/ gasp; no tip; I must be worse than hitler
 
2012-04-21 01:29:36 PM  

rocketpants: for subby
Link


Thanks for the informative link about commas. Although, I would have thought the "it's door" would be more interesting to a grammarian.
 
2012-04-21 01:30:27 PM  
ohhhh, I've seen plenty of Asian cuisine kitchens that do some very dicey things. I once saw a guy cutting raw chicken, it must have been 50 or 60 pounds of it on a very large table....really guy, do you think you can cut all that before it hits room temp? I saw a bucket of frozen octopus just sitting on the floor thawing, no running water on it, just sitting there. I saw their walk-in cooler, nothing was covered, labeled, and things stored on the floor. Asian restaurants scare me.
 
2012-04-21 01:31:45 PM  

Teknowaffle: So was the food actually good? Or one of those places people just keep going to despite shiatty food "just because"?


Typical American style Chinese food nothing special but they were open until 4am so it was a place to go after a night of drinking in North Beach.
 
2012-04-21 01:32:27 PM  
I saw a great line in a Fark thread one time by someone else. "Are we actors in our community, or are we just wards of the state?"

Stories like this always make me think of the fact that we are all basically just wards of the state. Here we have a century-old resteraunt, apparently popular enough that people line up for hours to get one of the last meals served there, and along comes The State (city, county, whatever) and says, "Nope, against the rules". And We, as wards of the state, just say, "Thank you sir, may I have another!" I'm not saying we should allow some place to serve Rat-shiat stew, but at some point The State just needs to leave people and businesses the hell alone. You want to eat there despite very good ventilation for the fryer, fine. Your clothes may stink, but it's not outright dangerous. I'm speaking in generalities of course, I don't know the details behind the decision to close this place, but you get my point I hope.

Same kind of thing when some local government bureaucracy demands that some pensioner tear up their front yard garden. Or a citizen is cited by the police for directing traffic around an accident at an intersection. We just live here, sometimes literally at the whim of the government (again, local, county, state, whatever) that is ostensibly there to serve us.
 
2012-04-21 01:32:39 PM  

Ed Finnerty: FTFA: David Ho, a descendent of one of the restaurant's original owners, decided to shut down after officials demanded extensive health and safety upgrades.

You know, I hate hairnets as much as the next person but that's no reason to close up shop.


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2012-04-21 01:33:18 PM  

Delay: rocketpants: for subby
Link

Thanks for the informative link about commas. Although, I would have thought the "it's door" would be more interesting to a grammarian.


I will not buy this closed, it is door.

hovercraft, eels etc.
 
2012-04-21 01:33:26 PM  
No wonton soup for you?
 
2012-04-21 01:34:45 PM  

Teknowaffle: So was the food actually good? Or one of those places people just keep going to despite shiatty food "just because"?


Probably the latter. Sounds nasty: nasty environment, nasty service, nasty food, It's a wonder they were allowed to break health codes this long in the first place. Wonder what the real story is about the shut down? Who didn't get paid off?
 
2012-04-21 01:35:42 PM  
My family and I ate at Sam Wo regularly back in the 70s when I was a kid in San Jose, CA. The somewhat long drive was no big deal -- not when there were fabulous rice noodles in a savoury broth with delectable pork and veggies. Back then, you could get an enormous bowl of the stuff and a pot of tea for about $3.00. The last time I ate there (and the last time I was in San Francisco) was around 1989, and the price had gone up to about $7.00, still a bargain in San Francisco.

I don't remember a rude waiter, although I do have a dim memory of Sam himself, who was very old when I was a kid. I also remember the slogan printed on the menu: "No Booze ... No Jive, No Coffee, Milk, Soft Drinks, Fortune Cookies." If you wanted something other than tea to drink, you could get it at a little convenience store across the street and bring it into the restaurant with you. The last time I was there, my ex and I picked up a six-pack of Heineken and drank it with our noodles. Damn, I'm going to miss that place.
 
2012-04-21 01:37:20 PM  

LeroyBourne: ohhhh, I've seen plenty of Asian cuisine kitchens that do some very dicey things. I once saw a guy cutting raw chicken, it must have been 50 or 60 pounds of it on a very large table....really guy, do you think you can cut all that before it hits room temp? I saw a bucket of frozen octopus just sitting on the floor thawing, no running water on it, just sitting there. I saw their walk-in cooler, nothing was covered, labeled, and things stored on the floor. Asian restaurants scare me.


Tell me about it. Last time I ordered fried dumplings, they gave me 6 fried dog testicles.

I mean come on, like anyone can eat more than four fried dog testicles.
 
2012-04-21 01:37:42 PM  

pudding7: I'm not saying we should allow some place to serve Rat-shiat stew,


No. That's precisely what you're saying.
 
2012-04-21 01:39:39 PM  
 
2012-04-21 01:40:18 PM  
I found this from The Chronicle (I never understood why people hate on this paper):

The health inspection report noted a series of violations ranging from employees not washing their hands and contaminating food to rodent feces in the kitchen and improper food storage.

But the fact of the matter is, the restaurant is "too old. Everything's too old," said David Ho, 56. And bringing the rickety, three-story building into this century will be costly.

"My understanding is that a lot of the violations require a large infusion of money to fix," Shields said. "They're major fixes - everything from venting to plumbing to electrical all need to be upgraded."


Knowing that, I don't know why people would want to eat there but then again I'm not a local so I probably don't understand.

Is the nostalgia factor the only reason it's still alive?
 
2012-04-21 01:42:03 PM  

dudemanbro: SF's Sam Wo restaurant might get chance to reopen


Aw damn, a minute too late...
 
2012-04-21 01:45:10 PM  
Meanwhile, here in Portland, the biggest debate is whether you should be able to get booze at a roach coach.

/Signs point to "yes".
 
2012-04-21 01:45:59 PM  

Dafatone: pudding7: I'm not saying we should allow some place to serve Rat-shiat stew,

No. That's precisely what you're saying.


Pff. He could prove that he wasn't trying to say that (which he wasn't, of course), and yet you still wouldn't believe him. All because what he's saying goes against what you think. Nothing more.
 
Slu
2012-04-21 01:46:43 PM  
Sounds like an awful place.
 
2012-04-21 01:48:43 PM  

Delay: rocketpants: for subby
Link

Thanks for the informative link about commas. Although, I would have thought the "it's door" would be more interesting to a grammarian.



My head exploded before I made it that far into the headline.
 
2012-04-21 01:49:00 PM  
"I know change is good, but sometimes you want to hold onto the happy memories," said customer Darlene Lee, 71, who had been coming to the restaurant for 60 years and said its inexpensive fare was comfort food that reminded her of going home.

i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-21 01:49:32 PM  
But what if it IS door?
 
2012-04-21 01:50:44 PM  

Erebus1954: No wonton soup for you?


No. I prefer wanton soup.
 
2012-04-21 01:54:39 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I found this from The Chronicle (I never understood why people hate on this paper):


Their entertainment/dining news is top notch. The rest of it? Not so much.
 
2012-04-21 01:55:49 PM  

theBigBigEye: Dafatone: pudding7: I'm not saying we should allow some place to serve Rat-shiat stew,

No. That's precisely what you're saying.

Pff. He could prove that he wasn't trying to say that (which he wasn't, of course), and yet you still wouldn't believe him. All because what he's saying goes against what you think. Nothing more.


Uh. Okay. He said "I'm not saying we should allow some place to violate health code rules, but we should allow some place to violate health code rules. Because freedom."

I'm sorry that my thinking health codes are a good thing apparently offends you.
 
2012-04-21 01:56:13 PM  

CigaretteSmokingMan: "I know change is good, but sometimes you want to hold onto the happy memories," said customer Darlene Lee, 71, who had been coming to the restaurant for 60 years and said its inexpensive fare was comfort food that reminded her of going home.

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I've had "cat stew" in korea, it was a local village and highly popular with the older generation - not so much the younger, was a bit surprised when I found out.
Cat meat, noodles and cabbage, tasted like nothing really, more like a stew with no real flavor.

/meow
 
2012-04-21 01:59:19 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Teknowaffle: So was the food actually good? Or one of those places people just keep going to despite shiatty food "just because"?

Probably the latter. Sounds nasty: nasty environment, nasty service, nasty food, It's a wonder they were allowed to break health codes this long in the first place. Wonder what the real story is about the shut down? Who didn't get paid off?


It wasn't nasty just old. You walked through the kitchen to get to the up stairs dining area the place was very clean. SFDPH wanted them to update the kitchen and eliminate the customer walk through which would coast millions.
 
2012-04-21 02:03:29 PM  
Cocksucka!
 
2012-04-21 02:09:47 PM  

Tillmaster: Never understood the attraction of going to a restaurant to be abused. I can get that at home.


There were some places where abuse was part of the ambience. My sister-in-law likes to illustrate how much of a prick my brother is by telling the story of a visit to some restaurant that featured rude servers. Apparently, their server was a sharp-tongued, somewhat heavy lady who poked fun at their hillbilly accents. While the server was busy in the kitchen, my brother got all the folks in her section to push their tables and chairs as close to the walls as possible. When she returned and demanded to know what had happened, he told her that she was such a good waitress that they all decided to give her a hand by making it a lot easier to get her fat ass up and down the aisle.
 
2012-04-21 02:11:45 PM  

El Brujo: Cocksucka!


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2012-04-21 02:13:21 PM  

Phoenix_M: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Teknowaffle: So was the food actually good? Or one of those places people just keep going to despite shiatty food "just because"?

Probably the latter. Sounds nasty: nasty environment, nasty service, nasty food, It's a wonder they were allowed to break health codes this long in the first place. Wonder what the real story is about the shut down? Who didn't get paid off?

It wasn't nasty just old. You walked through the kitchen to get to the up stairs dining area the place was very clean. SFDPH wanted them to update the kitchen and eliminate the customer walk through which would coast millions.


Random folks walking in through the kitchen is not clean.
That's great for home, but keep it at home.

Mrtraveler01's excerpt mentioned 'rodent feces', 'improper food storage' and 'not washing their hands'. Fk all that. I remember when a bakery in my old hometown was busted for rodent feces and improper food handling..... broke my heart. I no longer remember that bakery with nostalgia, I remember it with bile choking my throat. Every great memory wiped away, destroyed, because they didn't have the respect enough to have a clean facility. Cook how you want, be as slobby as you want, at home. I have no problem with that.

But when you start cooking food professionally, I have a real problem with unclean facilities. The biggest game changer for me in Mrtraveler01's excerpt is actually *not washing their hands*.

There's a chain of local fried chicken restaurants in town. The one on campus was busted for fecal material in the lemonade. Did I go back? Hell no. Did I shrug my shoulders and say 'good times, good food'? Hell no.

It'd be like if the Frontier on Central were busted for any of the violations which this restaurant was busted for. No way I'd go back.

San Francisco is weird. If y'all can shrug off the careless ingestion of other mammals' bodily fluids and solids, and clammer for the place to reopen so you all can go *back* to the same nasty environment, hey -- it takes all types. But I'd be pissed if I were taken there, knowing what I know now.
 
2012-04-21 02:14:11 PM  
Jesus Christ!

"it's" means "it is"

"its" means "belonging to it"

LEARN THAT
 
2012-04-21 02:18:07 PM  

Dafatone: theBigBigEye: Dafatone: pudding7: I'm not saying we should allow some place to serve Rat-shiat stew,

No. That's precisely what you're saying.

Pff. He could prove that he wasn't trying to say that (which he wasn't, of course), and yet you still wouldn't believe him. All because what he's saying goes against what you think. Nothing more.

Uh. Okay. He said "I'm not saying we should allow some place to violate health code rules, but we should allow some place to violate health code rules. Because freedom."

I'm sorry that my thinking health codes are a good thing apparently offends you.


Strange. The idea I got from him was, "health codes are fantastic, but at some point it's not good to regulate something to the point that the state may as well own the place, and that the owner is nothing more than the ward of what he/she created."

And I don't want funky chemicals and rat shiat in my stew, please.
 
2012-04-21 02:18:11 PM  

wellreadneck: Tillmaster: Never understood the attraction of going to a restaurant to be abused. I can get that at home.

There were some places where abuse was part of the ambience. My sister-in-law likes to illustrate how much of a prick my brother is by telling the story of a visit to some restaurant that featured rude servers. Apparently, their server was a sharp-tongued, somewhat heavy lady who poked fun at their hillbilly accents. While the server was busy in the kitchen, my brother got all the folks in her section to push their tables and chairs as close to the walls as possible. When she returned and demanded to know what had happened, he told her that she was such a good waitress that they all decided to give her a hand by making it a lot easier to get her fat ass up and down the aisle.


Sounds like the S&M version of Hooters..... except instead of a topless bar without the topless, you've got dommes and subs without the cat o nine tails.

/no bueno
//but if that's what they're willing to pay for and are happy with it....
 
2012-04-21 02:24:35 PM  
Or as we in Asia like to call them; "Regular Waiters"
 
2012-04-21 02:28:45 PM  
David Ho, a descendent of one of the restaurant's original owners, decided to shut down after officials demanded extensive health and safety upgrades. confirming a common stereotype.
 
2012-04-21 02:29:05 PM  

theBigBigEye: Dafatone: theBigBigEye: Dafatone: pudding7: I'm not saying we should allow some place to serve Rat-shiat stew,

No. That's precisely what you're saying.

Pff. He could prove that he wasn't trying to say that (which he wasn't, of course), and yet you still wouldn't believe him. All because what he's saying goes against what you think. Nothing more.

Uh. Okay. He said "I'm not saying we should allow some place to violate health code rules, but we should allow some place to violate health code rules. Because freedom."

I'm sorry that my thinking health codes are a good thing apparently offends you.

Strange. The idea I got from him was, "health codes are fantastic, but at some point it's not good to regulate something to the point that the state may as well own the place, and that the owner is nothing more than the ward of what he/she created."


And I don't want funky chemicals and rat shiat in my stew, please.



www.zerohedge.com

Oh, you...you're such a bon vivant!
 
2012-04-21 02:29:20 PM  
With six you get salmonella.
 
2012-04-21 02:31:55 PM  
nooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
2012-04-21 02:32:30 PM  

pudding7: I'm not saying we should allow some place to serve Rat-shiat stew, but at some point The State just needs to leave people and businesses the hell alone. You want to eat there despite very good ventilation for the fryer, fine. Your clothes may stink, but it's not outright dangerous. I'm speaking in generalities of course, I don't know the details behind the decision to close this place, but you get my point I hope.


I know two things about your point:

You seem to be unaware that fryer ventilation standards have f*ck-all to do with customers wanting their shirts to not smell bad.

You know nothing of HAACP codes and health codes and how common sense and perfectly reasonable they are.
 
2012-04-21 02:34:02 PM  

theBigBigEye: Strange. The idea I got from him was, "health codes are fantastic, but at some point it's not good to regulate something to the point that the state may as well own the place, and that the owner is nothing more than the ward of what he/she created."


Horsesh*t.
 
2012-04-21 02:35:23 PM  
I'd rather eat unsanitary Asian food than hang out with an A-hole grammar nazi.

/Little World, 13th S State, SLC. Best ever, for quality of food and questionable sanitation.
 
2012-04-21 02:36:16 PM  
There is an odd thing about Sam Wo's. It is three stories tall. From the sidewalk patrons enter through the kitchen and climb stairs to one of several dining areas.

The whole place was about 10 feet wide.

Fong would just glare at his customers. One could order anything, but the meal that came to the table was at his discretion. Mediocre, but cheap. A San Francisco Treat.
 
2012-04-21 02:38:08 PM  
I don't think I want to let the free market sort out an e.coli outbreak.
 
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