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(Slashdot)   The NSA would like to know who everyone in America is calling and emailing at all times, regardless of suspicion or content. Ha ha, just kidding, had you going there for a second huh? No, they're already doing this   (yro.slashdot.org) divider line 117
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2012-04-21 08:43:58 AM  
As long as they are going to read all my emails, maybe they could do something useful and back them up as well?

This way the next time Outlook throws away my address book, they could just send me a restore copy.
 
2012-04-21 08:59:28 AM  
He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion 'transactions' - phone calls, emails and other forms of data - from Americans.

How are they storing all this data? My collection of pirated legally purchased using legal tender shows and movies almost fills a 2 TB external hard drive, so what are they using?
 
2012-04-21 09:05:01 AM  
HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?
 
2012-04-21 10:54:17 AM  

cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?


And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house
 
2012-04-21 10:57:21 AM  

p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house


Hell no, they probably would have expanded it beyond its current position.

But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates
 
2012-04-21 12:10:48 PM  

cman: But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates


Exactly.
 
2012-04-21 12:17:50 PM  
They don't have to break the law. All they need to do is to get an ally to spy on Americans in agreement with them spying on the citizens of that country. We share information. No laws broken. Spying on your own citizens accomplished.
 
2012-04-21 12:36:09 PM  
ALEX: I'm getting this from anonymous crypto boards. Daedalus was supposed to beat the old content-recognition problem in surveillance; it was a program that could search all the terabytes of intercepted messages for subversive content.

JC DENTON: So what happened?

ALEX: Never panned out, as far as I know. The problem was just too hard. They blew through a lot of taxpayer money but finally had to scrap the whole project.
 
2012-04-21 12:37:47 PM  

cman: p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house

Hell no, they probably would have expanded it beyond its current position.

But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates


There are no third parties. Not sane ones anyway. Give us a viable on and people would jump on it.
 
2012-04-21 12:39:06 PM  
That's insane. Where exactly is the NSA plugged in so they can intercept like, my gmails? wouldn't the ISPs, or email providers somehow have to be complicit in this?
 
2012-04-21 12:42:40 PM  

depmode98: That's insane. Where exactly is the NSA plugged in so they can intercept like, my gmails? wouldn't the ISPs, or email providers somehow have to be complicit in this?


Yes.
 
2012-04-21 12:43:16 PM  

p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house


Are you serious? Who wouldn't want a mama grizzly safeguarding our nation's precious electronic communication assets?
She would make sure those darned internet pirates wouldn't get a hold of our sensitive financial information, transaction records, and personal communications.
Of course, for national security, the Guardian Angel of the Internets might have to review some of that information on America's enemies - foreign *and* domestic, if ya know what I mean. *wink*

i.imgur.com
 
2012-04-21 12:43:45 PM  

cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?


I was under no such illusion, but it would be remiss of me not mention that Libruls warned you guys when you basically shiat your pants in fear following 9-11 and signed us all up for this BS.
 
2012-04-21 12:43:58 PM  

adamgreeney: cman: p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house

Hell no, they probably would have expanded it beyond its current position.

But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates

There are no third parties. Not sane ones anyway. Give us a viable on and people would jump on it.


Exactly
 
2012-04-21 12:44:19 PM  
NSA: Better to be Safe than Sorta Free!
 
2012-04-21 12:45:43 PM  
Meanwhile, CNN is leading with F1 protests, Disney CEO resigning, and how to make a house out of beer cans.
 
2012-04-21 12:45:58 PM  
Wired magazine had a good article on this in the last issue. The have a facility with crazy massive storage built just for this. I'll post the link when I get home.
 
2012-04-21 12:47:45 PM  

adamgreeney: cman: p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house

Hell no, they probably would have expanded it beyond its current position.

But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates

There are no third parties. Not sane ones anyway. Give us a viable on and people would jump on it.


There aren't any sane third parties because anyone sane enough to have a chance of getting elected sticks with the crappy D or R.

We need to reform the voting system so people aren't afraid to vote for who they actually want to win. Preferential voting/instant runoff voting seems like a good fit.
 
2012-04-21 12:48:04 PM  
I don't give a shiat. What are they gonna do, come and get me? I refuse to live in fear of anyone or anything. I actually feel kinda sorry for the idiots who spend their lives compiling whatever stupid data they're compiling for whatever idiotic reason. In other words, fark 'em.
 
2012-04-21 12:49:37 PM  
Oh sure, if an anonymous source says this it must be true.
 
2012-04-21 12:52:51 PM  
... and yet still people won't even bother to encrypt their emails.
 
2012-04-21 12:55:26 PM  
I guess I should stop forwarding BIEs to the county commission members ...
 
2012-04-21 12:55:30 PM  
It's called Total Information Awareness (TIA), and before that it was called Echelon, which was scrapped in the mid-90's because everyone freaked out. But it's been back for a while now. Sleep tight, and my account was hacked when I wrote this.
 
2012-04-21 12:58:38 PM  

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: It's called Total Information Awareness (TIA), and before that it was called Echelon, which was scrapped in the mid-90's because everyone freaked out. But it's been back for a while now. Sleep tight, and my account was hacked when I wrote this.


Learn to Tor
 
2012-04-21 01:02:20 PM  
Did someone insinuate that the D or R parties are "sane"????

HAHAHAHAHA

America gets what it deserves.
 
2012-04-21 01:06:21 PM  
Echelon NO CARRIER
 
2012-04-21 01:09:02 PM  
i224.photobucket.com
 
2012-04-21 01:09:48 PM  

p the boiler: adamgreeney: cman: p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house

Hell no, they probably would have expanded it beyond its current position.

But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates

There are no third parties. Not sane ones anyway. Give us a viable on and people would jump on it.

Exactly


The problem is that things have gotten so bad that the only sustainable solutions are seen as "insane" since they would require people to make fundamental changes in the way they live their lives. No one wants to hear that, so they keep voting for the snake oil salesmen who assure them that they can solve their problems without having to do anything that's difficult or uncomfortable. So time goes on, the problems get worse, the required solutions invariably get more extreme, people see them as more insane, etc.
 
2012-04-21 01:11:35 PM  

adamgreeney: cman: p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house

Hell no, they probably would have expanded it beyond its current position.

But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates

There are no third parties. Not sane ones anyway. Give us a viable on and people would jump on it.


No they wouldn't, voters vote for who they are told to vote for. You just called all third party canadites insane and your for a third party. Dude you have no grasp on just how much two party cock is being sucked in this country.
 
2012-04-21 01:12:14 PM  

adamgreeney: cman: p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house

Hell no, they probably would have expanded it beyond its current position.

But, go ahead, continue to vote D or R and say "fark you" to third party candidates

There are no third parties. Not sane ones anyway. Give us a viable on and people would jump on it.




Ahem:
www.usanap.net
 
2012-04-21 01:12:55 PM  
Write your emails in emacs, use the "M-x spook" function.
 
2012-04-21 01:15:09 PM  
Ah, here's the Wired article about this. Link

It costs 40 million a year just to operate, and can handle 'yottabytes' of data. Apparently a yottabyte is a septillion bytes, and the next order of magnitude up hasn't been named yet. They are expecting to store around a thousand exabytes of data every year. To but that in perspective, Google's Eric Schmidt estimates all human knowledge from the dawn of mankind to now is about five exabytes.

While they will store everything from everywhere, they are particularly interested in password protected data. The idea is that they can crack the encryption at a later date, once the computing power is developed. Just like how today we can crack encryption from a decade ago due to the exponential growth of computing power.

It may be 20 years from now, but eventually they will be able to crack today's encryption technology, and when they do everything from the past will be available so they can figure out what every country and person was hiding. Good times.

As for me, I don't live in fear of this, but I know when tools this massive and powerful inevitably get used for political purposes it will be pretty crappy for everyone.
 
2012-04-21 01:15:34 PM  
"The heavily fortified $2 billion center should be up and running in September 2013. Flowing through its servers and routers and stored in near-bottomless databases will be all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Google searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails-parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital "pocket litter." It is, in some measure, the realization of the "total information awareness" program created during the first term of the Bush administration-an effort that was killed by Congress in 2003 after it caused an outcry over its potential for invading Americans' privacy." -- Wired Magazine

Link
 
2012-04-21 01:21:44 PM  

MFAWG: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

I was under no such illusion, but it would be remiss of me not mention that Libruls warned you guys when you basically shiat your pants in fear following 9-11 and signed us all up for this BS.


THIS.

Pretty sure there's a retroactive immunity deal for the IPOs kicking around somewhere for this massive data mining operation just like there was for the telecoms.
 
2012-04-21 01:22:49 PM  
Can they PLEASE find those emails that chick sent to me that I accidentally deleted? The ones with the movie attachments?

:(
 
2012-04-21 01:26:52 PM  
Whah! You mean we are a totalitarian police state! When did this happen!

/facepalm

.
 
2012-04-21 01:32:28 PM  
Old fart here. In the 80's I had a brother working on NASA microwave systems, and a cousin who was an analyst for the CIA. Independently of each other, they both told me the same story - that NSA was recording thousands of phone calls every day and had computers checking the recordings for "key words."

In. The. 80s.

God only knows what they are doing now.
 
2012-04-21 01:36:20 PM  

p the boiler: cman: HOPE AND CHANGE

Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?

And you think McCain would have? You think Romney will stop this?

Obama has flaws, his biggest one is that congress won't let him do anything. He may have wanted to keep this program going... I don't know. All I know is I feel safer than I would if we had a McCain white house


WTF are you talking about? Obama stop this? Obama did this. This is a lot bigger than a few warrantless phone taps.
 
2012-04-21 01:37:17 PM  
foo monkey
Meanwhile, CNN is leading with F1 protests

What the... That's actually news. What the fark is it doing on CNN?

...oh, all they care about is "omg there might be disruptions to the race!"
 
2012-04-21 01:41:12 PM  

Ezimar: Old fart here. In the 80's I had a brother working on NASA microwave systems, and a cousin who was an analyst for the CIA. Independently of each other, they both told me the same story - that NSA was recording thousands of phone calls every day and had computers checking the recordings for "key words."

In. The. 80s.

God only knows what they are doing now.


The same thing. Nothing, it's just the same tin-foil had "big brother" government story that get's recycled over and over again since the 50's when they where tracking phone calls looking for commies.
 
2012-04-21 01:43:39 PM  

Ezimar: ... NSA was recording thousands of phone calls every day and had computers checking the recordings for "key words." In. The. 80s.

God only knows what they are doing now.


Meh, this is probably like when all those engineers said that the burning jet fuel didn't bring down the twin towers. Some egghead somewhere thinks he knows more than me? Well we don't take kindly to that type around har. This is 'MURICA! WOOOOOO!!!
 
2012-04-21 01:46:45 PM  

cman: Did you really think Obama was gonna actually stop something like this?


Why would a center-right leader like Obama veer from increased ... "vigilance" shall we say?

Why do you hate America?

WHAT ARE YOU HIDING?!?!?!
 
2012-04-21 01:54:33 PM  
I would like to know who is stupid enough to think e-mail ever was or ever will be a secure means of comunication. If you do not want information to be known to the government or public, do not send it by e-mail.
 
2012-04-21 02:01:07 PM  
Anyone got any opinions on PGP?
 
2012-04-21 02:12:27 PM  

miss diminutive: He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion 'transactions' - phone calls, emails and other forms of data - from Americans.

How are they storing all this data? My collection of pirated legally purchased using legal tender shows and movies almost fills a 2 TB external hard drive, so what are they using?


In their big server farm, they have 100,000 sq ft. of servers. Your 2TB hard drive is 4 in × 1 in × 5.75 in. And they can stack them.

Space ain't an issue.
 
2012-04-21 02:19:15 PM  

Kittypie070: Anyone got any opinions on PGP?


Who's down with PGP?

Aw, you know me!

/Have no idea what PGP is.
//Just wanted to make that lame joke.
///All apologies.


badhatharry: This is a lot bigger than a few warrantless phone taps.


You sound concerned.

/And woefully uninformed as to the extent of the massive data mining operations put in place under Bush.
 
2012-04-21 02:22:38 PM  

elchip: Write your emails in emacs, use the "M-x spook" function.


Heh, never knew that one (and I've been using emacs since well, since it was teco macros.)

subversive csystems Jiang Zemin clandestine AUTODIN Commecen JSOFC3IP
SRI South Africa hackers supercomputer INS colonel bce electronic
surveillance


AMW 9/11 benelux Cocaine Kosovo sweep Clinton MILSATCOM corporate
security Ron Brown infowar smuggle Blowpipe TWA JPLw


halcon S Key propaganda national information infrastructure Tony Blair
spies AFSPC Ermes DES unclassified IMF military Saddam Hussein
beanpole Iran
 
2012-04-21 02:27:42 PM  

Kittypie070: Anyone got any opinions on PGP?


Various cryptographers recommend it, and it uses well-known, high-quality ciphers and methods. There's plenty of flexibility and options to accommodate common and uncommon requirements.

Only one thing that I dislike: it lacks perfect forward secrecy. Yes, a new symmetric key is randomly generated for each encrypted message but that key is encrypted with the recipient's public long-term RSA/ElGamal key. If the long-term key is compromised (and I know many people who have PGP keys from the mid-90s still in active use) all messages ever encrypted to that key can now be decrypted.

The NSA is perfectly willing to wait around until RSA/ElGamal become feasible to crack (either through a break, advancements in mathematics, or through Moore's Law) and then decrypt old messages. Such messages, even out of date, can provide useful information.

Of course, perfect forward secrecy is more suited to "online" (i.e. relatively low-latency) communication methods like SSL/TLS, OTR, and isn't really suited for high-latency communications like email.
 
2012-04-21 02:39:28 PM  

quatchi: You sound concerned.

/And woefully uninformed as to the extent of the massive data mining operations put in place under Bush.


Yeah right. Bush also created the TSA.
 
2012-04-21 02:43:39 PM  

miss diminutive: He estimates the NSA has assembled 20 trillion 'transactions' - phone calls, emails and other forms of data - from Americans.

How are they storing all this data? My collection of pirated legally purchased using legal tender shows and movies almost fills a 2 TB external hard drive, so what are they using?


Link

The government RFP for the project describes it as a Tier III, 65M Watt technical data center occupying 100,000 square feet and described as mission-critical. It will have its own fuel and water storage, chiller plant and fire suppressant system.

The 240-acre site will be self sustaining, with its own water and wastewater treatment plants, power, gas supply, battery backup, visitor-control facilities, vehicle inspection station and perimeter security.
 
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